Port Arthur Cover Up
Carole
Arthur coverup.
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Port Arthur Cover Up
http://www.users.bigpond.com/tonypitt/id123.htm
NO INQUIRY
It has been suggested that a full inquiry into the Port Arthur massacre has
taken place. This is not true. There was not even a Coronial Inquiry
although there should have been one. A Coronial Inquiry is required
(a) When foreign nationals are killed
(b) When there are deaths by fire
Thus there was at least a double reason to hold a Coronial Inquiry. So why
was the law broken to prohibit the inquiry?
MARTIN BRYANT - GENIUS
If one accepts the official Tasmanian Police and DPP line Martin Bryant can
only be regarded as a GENIUS - displaying the skill and cunning of a
criminal mastermind unparalleled in world history.
Martin Bryant had such intelligence information and timed things so well as
to wait until a whole series of things were in place just before, on, or
slightly after the 28th April.
1. He got the Tasmanian authorities to have a 22-body morgue truck available
for his handiwork.
2. He organised for senior Port Arthur staff to go away on a Work Seminar so
they wouldn't get hurt.
3. He managed to get Royal Hobart Hospital to have their Emergency Plan in
place two days before the massacre so things would run smoothly.
4. He managed to get Hobart Hospital to have a Trauma Seminar timed to end
at the exact moment he started shooting so they could patch up all the
wounded quickly.
5. He arranged for helicopter pilots - usually unavailable - to be available
that Sunday.
6. He managed to kill the Martins of Seascape with a firearm when he was at
a service station 57 kilometres away.
7. He decoyed the local police to be at the opposite end of the peninsula at
the exact moment the shooting began.
8. He managed to fool staff at the Historic Site into believing he arrived
at 1.15pm when in fact he was there at 12.45pm.
9. He managed not to look like himself - as if wearing a woman's wig - when
being filmed in the car park by tourists.
10. He wore a face mask making his face look pockmarked when shooting in the
cafe.
11. He arranged for a suspect black van to appear outside the Broad Arrow
Cafe afterwards so people wouldn't think it was him who did it.
12. He managed to get Sally Martin to run around Seascape naked that
afternoon and make it appear she had been killed that morning.
13. He managed to shoot a rifle from upstairs at Seascape when he was
downstairs talking to police on the phone.
14. He had infrared night vision eyes.
15. He managed to shoot from two Seascape buildings at once during the night
of the siege.
16. He managed to stay in a heavily burning building shooting and yelling at
police and get severe burns only on his back.
17. He managed to have the world press to have a convention in Hobart on the
30th April so there were plenty of reporters on hand so he would get better
than usual media coverage.
18. He managed to make it appear ASIO was behind the incident.
19. He managed to make it appear Tasmania Police had fabricated and tampered
with evidence.
20. He managed to get the Tasmanian DPP lie to the Court about his
activities.
21. He arranged for the media nationwide to display his photo to witnesses
to influence them; and to print false stories about him and get Channel Nine
To fabricate a video - all while in custody.
22. He fired two shots at 6.30pm at Port Arthur while he was under siege by
police at Seascape.
23. If you believe the official version, his marksmanship was fantastic -
twenty head shots, from the right hip, in 90 seconds! There are only about
100 shooters that good (better than Olympians) in the world. They are the
SPOOKS who work for various governments.
THE CONFESSION
He managed to get himself convicted of murder and get life. He confessed
after being held in solitary confinement for at least ten times the maximum
allowable as punishment in war under the Geneva Convention. The deal was
that he got a TV set in his room. After that much solitary men go mad or
confess to anything. Bryant was mentally retarded.
WAS THERE A TRIAL?
There was no trial. Just torture (28 days sensory deprivation which is
illegal) and the confession. There is enough material for investigators to
believe he is innocent.
MARTY WAS THE DUMMY CHOSEN TO TAKE THE RAP
When you add up all these things and a lot more not listed above, it is
impossible for a reasonable person to come to the conclusion Bryant was
behind this incident - that it was him doing the shooting and that others
weren't involved and that a setup and cover-up hasn't occurred.
Those who were prepared to leave him to burn to death in Seascape saw Martin
Bryant as expendable.
WITNESSES SPEAK OUT
Wendy Scurr, the lady who called the police while under fire has toured
Australia pleading for a trial for Bryant. She held the phone out the window
so the police could better hear the shot to be convinced that there was a
massacre going on.
WITNESSES GAGGED
Scores of other witnesses can't understand why the media reports differ
greatly from what they saw and heard. The eye witnesses can't understand why
their testimony recorded by police was not used.
Even the police can see that the bulk of evidence points to others.
UNFIT TO EVEN PLEAD
Bryant is so retarded he might know what guilty means but he would not have
a clue as to the implications of a guilty plea. There are grounds for a
trial, a first trial with evidence presented to a jury.
CATCH 22 - SO NO APPEAL
Appeal is impossible now because even a QC can't get access to Bryant
because the prison officers say he doesn't want visitors. Even Bryant's
mother can't get to see him. We only have the prison officers' word that he
doesn't want visitors. From all other skullduggery - why should they be
believed?
EVIDENCE DESTROYED
All evidence of the shooting was removed from the building to make it a
sacred site. This is a standard procedure when the government does a sting.
Remember Waco, Oklahoma, Twin Towers 9-11 etc.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING
Send this everywhere. Give it to police, politicians, media etc. Some will
squirm - too gutless to think for themselves. We might light a spark of
integrity in some and perhaps get the boy a trial...
Lodge an official complaint that there is a Federal crime being committed.
Lodge an official complaint with the Tasmanian police that government
officials are party to a conspiracy to frame Bryant. Request a full
investigation by the Crime and Misconduct Commission into the BRIBING of the
states with promises of diesel subsidies and THREATS to cut state funding It
is a crime to offer inducements or threats to influence representative in
how to vote. I have a letter signed by a Tasmanian Senator saying they were
blackmailed into passing Howard's gun laws. This I have passed on to the
AFP. They are party to a conspiracy because, even with irrefutable evidence
that the states were blackmailed to would not press charges. They must
prtess charges. Then it is up to the courts to decide guilt or innocence
When politicians appoint police you cane expect corrupt police and bent
screws.
Send this everywhere so all recipients can sent it everywhere - until
justice is done.
Tony Pitt
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Not an ASIO Plant (Honest)
Carole wrote:
> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the Port
> Arthur coverup.
You found it Carole, but obviously you dont believe it...
do you.. DO YOU... D O Y O U ! ! !
I dont believe that anyone that can read and write would believe it....
But then some people believe that 911 was a controlled demolition
(except for the real terrorists on Flight 93 who were bought down by a
missile)
Sunny
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>I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the Port
> Arthur coverup.
from the same looney tunes fringe element site :
"This paper is intended to rally the pro-freedom parties, groups and
individuals in a massive push to get rid of the major parties. With the help
of groups leaders and in spite of some of the minor group leaders who have
led their parties nowhere we must do it.
We want to put together a paper outlining the issues upon which all thinking
Australians can agree "almost" completely and use that paper as the policy
tool to push independents into parliament to change the direction our
looney legislators are taking us.
Using our limited resources and a bit of common sense and strategy we can
get out 10,000,000 papers before the 2007 election.
That would be one into every voter's home."
coff...@aussieisp.com
Carole wrote:
> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the Port
> Arthur coverup.
Pitt is dead. It would seem he uncovered too much dirt on the sneaky
betrayal of australians by their government of lies and coverups.
Winky
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> Arthur coverup.
>
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>
> Port Arthur Cover Up
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/tonypitt/id123.htm
>
> NO INQUIRY
> It has been suggested that a full inquiry into the Port Arthur massacre
> has
> taken place. This is not true. There was not even a Coronial Inquiry
> although there should have been one. A Coronial Inquiry is required
> (a) When foreign nationals are killed
> (b) When there are deaths by fire
Is that the first "good point"?. Here is the Coroners Act for Tasmania.
http://www.thelaw.tas.gov.au/tocview/index.w3p;cond=all;doc_id=73%2B%2B1995%2BAT%40EN%2B20060831000000;histon=;prompt=;rec=;term=coroners
Show us where those requirements are stated.
> Thus there was at least a double reason to hold a Coronial Inquiry. So why
> was the law broken to prohibit the inquiry?
<snip> rest of lunacy
JD
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> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the Port
> Arthur coverup.
There was no coverup you fruitloop.
--
Patriotism is a lively sense of collective responsibility. Nationalism is a
silly cock crowing on its own dunghill.
Richard Aldington
Hunter
I am in the process of reading "Deceit & Terrorism Revision IV" which
includes "A Gunsmiths Notebook....6th Ed" available on CD.
Given that witness Jim Laycock, a local who had known Martin Bryant
from the age of 10 years, swore in his police statement the gunman he
saw was not Martin Bryant it makes you wonder what happened to
Constable Chris Isles who was also mentioned in his statement.
Quote:
There were only two policemen on duty on the Tasman Peninsula on the
28th April, 1996, being Constables Gary Whittle from Dunalley and
Constable Paul Hyland of Nubeena. Wrong!!!
Within minutes of the murder of Zoe Hall and the kidnapping of Glen
Pears Constable Chris Isles arrived at the scene of the murder and
spoke with his old friend, Jim Laycock, the former owner of the Broad
Arrow Cafe. Another witness from the Port Arthur General Store also
spotted Constable Isles and his marked police sedan.
According to Laycock's statement, Constable Isles said to him, Come on,
get in the car and we'll chase him, but then changed his mind and said,
no, there's a dead body over there. It could be dangerous. You wait
here, and then proceeded off at high speed following the BMW.
Chris Isles had been the Nubeena Policeman for about 15 years, up until
six months prior to the massacre when he was moved to the District
headquarters at Sorell. (This is normally a sign of disiplinary
action) He was well known in the area, and was known to have several
friends in the district. There is also a strong possibility that he
would have known Martin Bryant.
So what happened to Constable Chris Isles? The stolen BMW is later
seen parked outside Seascape Cottage as the gunman proceeds to shoot at
passing vehicles, and there is no other mention of any of these members
of the public sighting Constable Isles or his marked police vehicle.
How come???
Had Constable Isles driven up the Arthur Highway in pursuit of the
stolen BMW, then he should have arrived outside Seascape Cottage prior
to the shooting at that crime scene. There are no turn offs or any
other method that Constable Isles could have taken. He must have
driven past Seascape Cottage.
There is not one iota of information regarding this third policeman who
was at the scene of these crimes at the time of the offences. Was
Constable Isles able to actually see the gunman? Was Constable Isles
able to identify the gunman? Why is it that Constable Isles has never
been mentioned in any article on his role at the Port Arthur
Massacre???
Unquote:
dechucka
"JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:30:14 +1000, Carole in
> message<news:44f6103a$0$10773$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the
>> Port
>> Arthur coverup.
>
> There was no coverup you fruitloop.
I agree go the Waratah Blues
JD
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Fuck off moron.
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Please be good enough to put your conclusions and recommendations on one
sheet of paper in the very beginning of your report, so I can even consider
reading it
Sir Winston Churchill
dechucka
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:32:47 +1000, dechucka in
> message<news:44f65860$0$10801$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:30:14 +1000, Carole in
>>> message<news:44f6103a$0$10773$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the
>>>> Port
>>>> Arthur coverup.
>>>
>>> There was no coverup you fruitloop.
>>
>> I agree go the Waratah Blues
>
> Fuck off moron.
Well that was fun, jesus you really are a poor loser
goodbye
How does someone shoot from 3 different directions at one time?
Of course the Australia government would NEVER lie to further its own
interest,
after all we don't have a GST do we????
dechucka
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> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:30:14 +1000, Carole in
>> message<news:44f6103a$0$10773$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the
>>> Port
>>> Arthur coverup.
>>
>> There was no coverup you fruitloop.
>> --
>> Patriotism is a lively sense of collective responsibility. Nationalism is
>> a
>> silly cock crowing on its own dunghill.
>> Richard Aldington
>
> How does someone shoot from 3 different directions at one time?
they can't but as this didn't happen so what
TonyJB
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>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:30:14 +1000, Carole in
>> message<news:44f6103a$0$10773$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the
>>> Port
>>> Arthur coverup.
>>
>> There was no coverup you fruitloop.
>> --
>> Patriotism is a lively sense of collective responsibility. Nationalism is
>> a
>> silly cock crowing on its own dunghill.
>> Richard Aldington
>
> How does someone shoot from 3 different directions at one time?
Easy the whole thing was filmed at movie world, nobody got hurt, PA even had
to be built afterwards, they did put it on the maps in advance though.
SHEP
Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
What is your version of events? Or does your intellect limit you to
scoffing at those who exhibit an inquiring mind and have the experience
and expertise to question the 'official' line?
And where did you get your esteemed knowledge from - the newspapers and
the TV - surely not from a coronial inquiry or other professional
investigation and presentation of all the facts?
Now maybe you could also explain why the facts of the PA incident have
had a national security 30 year embargo placed on them - only 20 years
to go before you will be able to glean the facts that are presently
being denied to you by Government.
I am not so concerned about conspiracy theories, what I am concerned
about is the cover-up of the incompetence and the state of the mental
health infrastructure that allowed Bryant, a person with a mental
history, a person whose condition, according to medical professionals,
could only get worse, a person who was on a medical disability due to
his unstable mental state, a person suspected of involvement of his
fathers death and that of his female patron etc. etc. - the list goes
on.
Maybe on of you could provide a chronology of irrefutable events
leading up to, during and following the Port Arthur massacre. I ask
that knowing that that is something no-one can do for at least another
20 years.
Then there is the AWB, WMD, GST, children overboard, etc.etc.
Sought of goes something like this:
A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of
the heaviest element yet know to science. The new element has been
named Governmentium.
Governmentium (GV) has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy
neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons. The 312 particles are held
together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast
quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.
Since Govermentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be
detected because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into
contact. A minute amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take
over four days to complete when it would normally take less than a
second.
Govermentium has a normal half-life of four years: It does not decay
but instead undergoes reorganization in which a portion of assistant
neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact,
Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each
reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming
isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists
to believe Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain
quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to
as critical morass. When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes
Aministratium - an element which radiates just as much energy as
Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.
Have I left anyone out?
SHEP
Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
What is your version of events? Or does your intellect limit you to
scoffing at those who exhibit an inquiring mind and have the experience
and expertise to question the 'official' line?
And where did you get your esteemed knowledge from - the newspapers and
the TV - surely not from a coronial inquiry or other professional
investigation and presentation of all the facts?
Now maybe you could also explain why the facts of the PA incident have
had a national security 30 year embargo placed on them - only 20 years
to go before you will be able to glean the facts that are presently
being denied to you by Government.
I am not so concerned about conspiracy theories, what I am concerned
about is the cover-up of the incompetence and the state of the mental
health infrastructure that allowed Bryant, a person with a mental
history, a person whose condition, according to medical professionals,
could only get worse, a person who was on a medical disability due to
his unstable mental state, a person suspected of involvement of his
fathers death and that of his female patron etc. etc. - the list goes
on.
Maybe on of you could provide a chronology of irrefutable events
Wally Anglesea™
<SNIP>
>
>Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
>PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
1: Martin Bryant went completely nuts, and killed a whole bunch of
people.
2: consider where the alternative view is coming from.
3: Has the "alternative view presented any evidence whatsoever other
than hearsay?
'nuff said
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"Maths proves you know how to plug in some figures into a formula, that's
all"
"Even physics is based on wrong theories, so what's the use of maths"
Carole - demonstrating her mathematical abilities.
SHEP
Wally, and your evidence is exactly what - only what you have been
told. Wouldn't you prefer to read what has been sealed for thirty
years from the date of PA. Surely the denial to you of the facts of
the matter raises some suspicion - just like the absence of an inquiry
and/or coroner's inquest should?
Where does "the alternate view" come from Wally - even some of the
living victims question the official line and have called for an
inquiry.
You ask - "Has the "alternative view presented any evidence whatsoever
other than hearsay?" Well yes they have. Much of the 'evidence' comes
from eye-witnesses and people who were in a better position and more
qualified than you or I to ask the questions that many have raised
since PA.
Much of it comes from people who have experience and qualifications in
some of the aspects of the case. For example farmer Drysdale from Yea
swears balck and blue that the firearm purportedly used was his and
that he had handed it to VICPOL for destruction. Asked how he knew it
was his because it looked like any other CAR-15 - he relied that his
gunsmith had applied distinguishing personal marks to the firearms at
his request - evidence - saw the interview myself - did you?
there is a distinct lack of forensic/ ballistic evidence and the
excuses given as to why this is the case are laughable.
If you are happy with your conclusions, or what you have been told - so
be it. However, you shouldn't attempt to ridicule those who are not
happy with what they have been led to believe.
PA marks the death of 35 innocent people. It also marks a dramatic
change in the psyche of the average Australian brought about by a
baying media and a newly elected governement desperate to find
something to justify their election. That change in psyche and the
weaknesses that were exposed, have been used very cleverly by the
Government to keep itself in power.
Sunny
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Posting exactly the same shit twice doesn't make it true.
JD
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>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:32:47 +1000, dechucka in
>> message<news:44f65860$0$10801$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:30:14 +1000, Carole in
>>>> message<news:44f6103a$0$10773$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found this Tony Pitt article which makes some good points about the
>>>>> Port
>>>>> Arthur coverup.
>>>>
>>>> There was no coverup you fruitloop.
>>>
>>> I agree go the Waratah Blues
>>
>> Fuck off moron.
>
> Well that was fun, jesus you really are a poor loser
Not having lost that debate, I can only deduce that your logic is about as
sound as your grammar and spelling.
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If this is a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised.
Sir Winston Churchill
SHEP
Golly Sunny, that was a stunning observation.
JD
message<news:1157167199.9...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
> PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
> What is your version of events? Or does your intellect limit you to
> scoffing at those who exhibit an inquiring mind and have the experience
> and expertise to question the 'official' line?
You've yet to display anything remotely resembling an intellect.
> And where did you get your esteemed knowledge from - the newspapers and
> the TV - surely not from a coronial inquiry or other professional
> investigation and presentation of all the facts?
A police officer (and good mate) who was there you moron.
--
God is on everyone’s side … And I the last analysis, he is on the side of
those with plenty of money and large armies.
Jean Anouilh
SHEP
JD wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 20:20:00 -0700, SHEP in
> message<news:1157167199.9...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
> > PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
> > What is your version of events? Or does your intellect limit you to
> > scoffing at those who exhibit an inquiring mind and have the experience
> > and expertise to question the 'official' line?
>
> You've yet to display anything remotely resembling an intellect.
>
> > And where did you get your esteemed knowledge from - the newspapers and
> > the TV - surely not from a coronial inquiry or other professional
> > investigation and presentation of all the facts?
>
> A police officer (and good mate) who was there you moron.
> --
> those with plenty of money and large armies.
> Jean Anouilh
If your good mate, the cop, was there at PA, how come he didn't stop
Bryant - Oh, I see, he got there after it was all over - just like the
rabid press that reported the 'facts'.
Eyewitnesses to the actual shootings might know a little more than a
cop who arrived at the scene later, don't you think?
I will ask again - why no coronial inquest or any other public
inquiry, and why is certain evidence and information denied to the
public for a thirty year period. Could it be that those who might be
fingered for incompetence be retired or dead by then?
Hunter
JD wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 20:20:00 -0700, SHEP in
> message<news:1157167199.9...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Those of you who prefer to dismiss out of hand any questioning of the
> > PA incident should be in a position to explain what really happened.
> > What is your version of events? Or does your intellect limit you to
> > scoffing at those who exhibit an inquiring mind and have the experience
> > and expertise to question the 'official' line?
>
> You've yet to display anything remotely resembling an intellect.
>
> > And where did you get your esteemed knowledge from - the newspapers and
> > the TV - surely not from a coronial inquiry or other professional
> > investigation and presentation of all the facts?
>
> A police officer (and good mate) who was there you moron.
> --
> those with plenty of money and large armies.
> Jean Anouilh
JD you might like to tell us the name of your copper mate and what time
he actually arrived at the crime scene. And please don't tell us it
was Constable Isles.
The local police were hardly covered in glory on that fatefull day.
Here is a extract from "Deceit and Terrorism" taken from the
official timeline of events.
"The aim of the Tasmania Police is to maintain law and order, protect
life and property, enhance community safety and reduce the incidence
and fear of crime." Joe Paul. Executive Officer, Tasmania State
Disaster Committee in his report in the EMA Port Arthur Seminar Papers.
However in the chronology of the police response as stated by the
Police Commissioner in his EMA Port Arthur Seminar report, there was no
move made in regard to the stricken victims at Port Arthur. The entire
responses focus on the criminal attacks and the containment of the
'gunman'. There are two separate duties required here. The duty
to apprehend the perpetrator and the duty to protect and reassure the
victims. The Tasmanian constabulary failed to fulfil its obligations
to the community and simply concentrated on the 'law enforcement'
aspects in the apprehension of the gunman.
For 6 hours, the Tasmania Police were held back from delivering this
duty to the 500 or more people who were at the Port Arthur Historic
Site. While the community volunteers rushed to assist their wounded
and stricken fellows, the police hierarchy held the desperately
required police members back until after dark, when they then entered
the historic site at 2000 hours.
The Volunteer Ambulance Service from Nubeena and Dunalley both raced to
the disaster scene to assist friends and strangers. The Nubeena
ambulance driven by Gary Alexander, and with Faye Fox arrived within 14
minutes from the time they received the call at 1338 hours. The State
Emergency Service Volunteers manned roadblocks, and assisted in the
evacuation of the wounded at the historic site. The local Fire
Services attended at the historic site and both the SES and the
volunteer fire fighters performed those duties that are designated
police roles in such disaster, and all this time the police hierarchy
said it was too dangerous to send the police in.
That of course was a complete lie. With a total strength of
approximately 1000 men and women, the Tasmania Police never had the
resources at hand to enable them to fulfil their duties properly. The
coroner, Mr Ian Matterson, in his report to the EMA Port Arthur Seminar
Papers, on page 90 states, "It was agreed that I would arrange for my
coronial staff to travel to the scene by helicopter at 1700 hours."
"Travel arrangements for my self and my two police officers changed
at 1655 when we were advised that air travel in the region was being
jeopardised by continued shooting and that the area had still not been
rendered safe by the police." However it was considered safe to fly
two young inexperienced policewomen into Port Arthur."
That's right they sent in two inexperienced and unarmed policewomen to
secure the scene.
TonyJB
become an overnight expert on the subject.
I read it on the internet, it must be true...................
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TonyJB
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SHEP
Tony, I fear you do Carole an injustice. All she has done is post a
piece for discussion. She has made no further comment on the article
or claim anywhere that she believes the content, or otherwise.
Have a look at some of the responses and you will see that there are
few who really want to discuss it and would rather play silly childish
diversionary games instead.
The point of the whole issue us that no-one here really knows what did
or didn't happen - remember the facts are sealed for another twenty
years. Surely you are inquisitive enough to wonder what they are
hiding and who they might be protecting?
I repeat that there may be some here who have the experience and the
qualifications to challenge the official line on events.
Sunny
> Tony, I fear you do Carole an injustice. All she has done is post a
> piece for discussion. She has made no further comment on the article
> or claim anywhere that she believes the content, or otherwise.
Haven't read many of Carole's postings have you ?
She believes anything that tends to support her view, that "main stream
everything" is doing nothing all day but "covering up the truth" (whatever
that may be)
TonyJB
All those who were in Tasmania at the time or saw the event/results first
hand, please raise your hands.
Hmm how come out of all the people who witness these events like Bali
bombings, 911, Port Arthur, Strathfield chootings, Wocol, not one of these
thousands is standing up and saying that it didn't happen that way?
Instead we have internet experts leading campaigns on what they read online.
The internet controls many better than other media ever could.
We have some 22yo in NZ announcing himself as an expert on the good of the
Nazi's & wrongs of the Jews in 1940's?
Internet breed & programmed I suspect.
SHEP
Sunny , I read postings in the context they are written and I refrain
from injecting preconceptions or views etc. that may be formed on other
subjects that are irrelevant to the one under discussion. Try it and
you might be able to hold a perfectly cordial and interesting
discussion.
I suppose what you are saying is Carole, or anyone else for that
matter, cannot have a view independant of that of the moronic mass -
ie. one that might challenge your comfort zone.
Enough with the diversions.
SHEP
But Tony, in case you haven't noticed, some witnessess of the PA
massacre have done exactly that - they have challenged the official
chain of events and have called for a coronial inquiry. And as I have
said, some more qualified than you and I have also raised valid
questions in relation to PA.
I will ask again - why do you (yes YOU) think certain facts in
relation to PA have been hidden away under an Act that is usually
reserved for matters of national security?
Now if you can answer that with a reasonable explanation, maybe, just
maybe those who have questions regarding PA might be less vociferous.
TonyJB
Where did you find out about this? The internet.
> I will ask again - why do you (yes YOU) think certain facts in
> relation to PA have been hidden away under an Act that is usually
> reserved for matters of national security?
And how do we know that, we've all read it on the internet!
> Now if you can answer that with a reasonable explanation, maybe, just
> maybe those who have questions regarding PA might be less vociferous.
And did you also know about the National security act being used to hide
information on Micheal Hutchesons death too?
SHEP
Tony - your three questions are:
1. Where did you find out about this? The internet.
No, read it in Hansard, officlal documents and transcripts, and
through my own analysis of other public documents I have had the
opportunity to read. As with newspapers, I do not rely on the internet
for the facts - it's the old addage - bullshit in - bullshit out, and
too many bulls have access to it.
In forming a conclusion, or god forbid, my own opinions on any issue, I
am careful to review all available information, both pro and con, and
come to my own qualified conclusions. I got paid to do exactly that in
an official capacity for over 35 years so it's also reflexive for me.
2. And how do we know that, we've all read it on the internet!
Again Tony I make the same comment regarding the internet.
3. And did you also know about the National security act being used to
hide
information on Micheal Hutchesons death too?
Irrelevant with regard to the issue at hand, other than to demonstrate
that you do beleive that the (National Security) Archives Act is being
used to hide information on another case - so why not PA?
If you are happy to be a mushroom - fine. If you aren't - you only
have another twenty years to wait. By then it will be insignifcant
anyway as the generation of that era will have many other more
important things to grapple with. In the meantime make sure you get
plenty of shade and alot of bullshit to feed on.
JD
message<news:1157336402.0...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 3. And did you also know about the National security act being used to
> hide
> information on Micheal Hutchesons death too?
>
> Irrelevant with regard to the issue at hand, other than to demonstrate
> that you do beleive that the (National Security) Archives Act is being
> used to hide information on another case - so why not PA?
He is taking the piss out of you.
--
A memorandum is written not to inform the reader but to protect the writer.
Dean Acheson
TonyJB
Lifetime supply of bullshit here and a lot of darkness too.
JD
message<news:8kPKg.22892$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Lifetime supply of bullshit here and a lot of darkness too.
407 lines for that?
--
Elections are won by men and women chiefly because most people vote against
somebody rather than for somebody.
Franklin P. Adams
TonyJB
"JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
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JD
message<news:pEQKg.22964$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Why clip it?
>
> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
> news:6a0ycqvexays.147lnyzumpy5s$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:02:44 GMT, TonyJB in
>> message<news:8kPKg.22892$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Lifetime supply of bullshit here and a lot of darkness too.
>>
>> 407 lines for that?
Usenet etiquette.
--
The trouble with this country is that there are too many politicians who
believe, with a conviction based on experience, that you can fool all of
the people all of the time
Franklin P. Adams
TonyJB
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:32:37 GMT, TonyJB in
> message<news:pEQKg.22964$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Oh is that like midposting?
dechucka
> message<news:8kPKg.22892$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Lifetime supply of bullshit here and a lot of darkness too.
>
> 407 lines for that?
good one coming from someone who didn't know the waratahs nickname was the
BLUES
dechucka
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> Why clip it?
because he didn't like it
snip
JD
message<news:44fbd74f$0$26728$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
wrote:
Fuck off moron. The Waratah's nickname you illiterate useless piece of shit
is and always has been the 'tahs. Just because a know nothing never played
dickhead such as yourself got it wrong is meaningless.
--
I am easily satisfied with the very best.
Sir Winston Churchill
dechucka
keep saying it and you may convince yourself but anyone who knows about the
subject will keep laughing at you. You were doing so well until the NSWs
fans came out and said you were wrong
SHEP
JD wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2006 19:20:02 -0700, SHEP in
> message<news:1157336402.0...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > 3. And did you also know about the National security act being used to
> > hide
> > information on Micheal Hutchesons death too?
> >
> > Irrelevant with regard to the issue at hand, other than to demonstrate
> > that you do beleive that the (National Security) Archives Act is being
> > used to hide information on another case - so why not PA?
>
> He is taking the piss out of you.
Do you really think so? His comment about Hutcheson in fact has him
taking the piss out of himself. I just like to egg him on.
JD
message<news:44fc14f9$0$26767$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
wrote:
> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
> news:1qmkimql2imhi.10o1bkttrxnkj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:35:43 +1000, dechucka in
>> message<news:44fbd74f$0$26728$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>> "JD" <_antip...@ubique.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6a0ycqvexays.147lnyzumpy5s$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:02:44 GMT, TonyJB in
>>>> message<news:8kPKg.22892$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lifetime supply of bullshit here and a lot of darkness too.
>>>>
>>>> 407 lines for that?
>>>
>>> good one coming from someone who didn't know the waratahs nickname was
>>> the
>>> BLUES
>>
>> Fuck off moron. The Waratah's nickname you illiterate useless piece of
>> shit
>> is and always has been the 'tahs. Just because a know nothing never played
>> dickhead such as yourself got it wrong is meaningless.
>
> keep saying it and you may convince yourself but anyone who knows about the
> subject will keep laughing at you. You were doing so well until the NSWs
> fans came out and said you were wrong
Fans such as yourself? Know nothing never played dickheads.
--
What's a cult? It just means not enough people to make a minority.
Robert Altman
dechucka
Good question there JD but your answer was wrong on all 3 accounts