Dan Fox web site
Kay again
Dan Fox wrote in message <19990605181056.642$K...@newsreader.com>...
:Quo Vadis <ubi...@somewhere.in.cosmos> wrote:
:> In article <19990603154542.664$5...@newsreader.com>, Dan Fox
:
:I don't know if it's simplicity - or that the art is non-representational.
:Many people seem to have a problem with art that doesn't faithfully copy
:the outside world, or require traditional drawing skills (a least not in
:evidence to them). They have grown up with a fixed notion of what art is,
:and anything else is off limits. I have had people react with anger to
:my work, and also become emotionally upset (when they've seen it in
:galleries). I think that is because it assaults their expectations, hints
:at worlds they don't understand, etc.
I always look to art history for self-esteem. Didn't Edvard Munch get
punched in the nose because someone hated his work? Was it Cezanne who had
tomatoes thrown at his work? People or art critics could write in the
papers that the artist was a *bum* with *no talent* etc. Talk about danger!
Talk about criticism!
::I've found that engineers (like peter nelson) are inevitably realist
:painters; I think it goes with the mental set.
If you will notice the e-mail I posted from my non-art-loving cousin, she
referred to nice portraits and landscapes like I did before... She is
speaking about a couple of works I did for my aunt and others as gifts. Of
course, I absolutely hate doing it, but most people in the *other camp isn't
aware that non-representational painter are *very capable of rendering
realism, it is just not what we choose! They assume we have no skill. it
is so incredibly easy for me to whip up a decent landscape, but, there are
many different "art worlds" and that - isn't mine!
:One major difference in the two camps: in general, abstract artists are
:much more admiring of good figurative art than figurative artists of
:abstraction. I personally like good art, regardless of the form. I think
:that the qualitative difference lies here but will have to think about it
:more.
But not understanding, wouldn't you want to remain *mute on a subject?
Would you object and show your ignorance of the subject so loudly? I don't
understand this at all...
:People like Mani just follow their agenda pretty mechanically, it seems. I
:don't think the comments of the psycho fringe have anything to do with art.
:They are there to make trouble; that's their kick. If they cant do it there
:they'll do it elsewhere (and do).
:I'll think some more about this. I'm hoping for more posts on the site,
:both pro and con.
Huh? (short term memory loss) What site?
Kay
:> I am starting to notice something about the people who can and cannot
:> cope with the sort of abstract art that Dan paints ... it seems the
:> ability to accept *simplicity* is frightening to many and that produces
:> hostility. To create simplicity goes against everything we are
:> programmed for, as twentieth century *beings*. A simple mark or line;
:> non crowded spaces; elementary forms; monochrome images - not easy for
:> many to take on board but one hell of an achievement to anyone who can
:> successfully produce it under the pressures of this world we have
:> created.
:
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:Dan
:
:'The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.' - Blake
:'Ich bin ein Artsy Fartzy.' - Dan
Erik A. Mattila
branch of social science brougt language to task by questioning the basis we
have for saying anything -- what and how words mean, how they carry baggage
(connotation etc.). One thing was remarkable, when I tried to discuss these
things with othere, great and heated arguments would break out, often resulting
in extreme hostility (not to mention that I'm also obnoxious often.) At any
rate, my theory was that questing language on this level was 'too close to
home' and could be very threatening and disorienting to one who is discovering
such things. (It kind of disengages you from the confort of your dreamed
reality, eh?)
So I'm wondering if the vehement, (and conservative) reaction to abex could
have some of the same stuff in it? I mean, if you go to the art museum and
only see what you expect to see as 'art,' everything is well articulated and
comfortable and psychologically tidy. Like going to Howard Johnson's --
already knowing the menu and what it will taste like.
Suddenly you confront a work of art that moves you in some way -- but it won't
fit the niches and recesses of cranial confort, and it THREATENS YOU!!! It
proposes something that you don't know what to do with.
Just speculating, of course. But how interesting, maybe people hate art
because it's good.
Erik Mattila
By the way, the test will be for Marilyn to do a double post also, just to see
if it shows up on alt.brallen. Hear that, Marilyn? As for the idea being
'genius,' I decline. It occured to me because I was irritated with the
crosslposted Deconstruction threads on raf.
Erik
Yo soy un Artistico Fartistico
Kay again
tin...@home.com wrote in message <3759BD7E...@home.com>...
:______tinman start______
:Hi Dan:
:
:I am thinking about your comments on anger towards
:abstract art.
:
:I am going down a divided staircase on the down
:side and someone is coming up towards me. How do I
:feel? Does it matter that they are going up the
:down staircase? So it's a bit crowded and they
:have to push their way up. Do I want to expand
:myself and make it harder for them to pass me?
:They are doing something that I was taught not to
:do. I was taught the social rules, why should they
:get away with breaking them.
:
:How many steps away from road rage am I?
:
:Let us assume that there is a certain quantity of
:anger in my personality and that anger is composed
:of other bits of anger which have rotten together
:and turned into an anger comet. That anger comet
:is looking for something to hit. If that anger
:comet is given a socially acceptable target then
:it will head head right for it.
:
: Anger is endemic. It looks for an outlet that the
:group (to which the angry member belongs, and that
:can be an imagined group) will accept as an
:attribute of membership.
:
:I have not told my siblings that I explore
:abstract art concepts, they have not seen my work
:in 20 years. It was a few years prior to my
:fathers death that I finally managed to drag him
:into the 20th century, but he had a classical
:education and I got to him through poetic
:metaphor. My siblings dismiss his last work as
:strange. They eliminate it from their minds and
:are ready to attack anyone who leans towards the
:abstract. It's interesting that they are also anti
:gay.
:
: At my sisters funeral one of them walked up to me
:and said "I hope you don't do this abstract art
:stuff". I said "no", in my mind the funeral
:parlour is not a war zone.
:
:have fun: keith
:
:_________tinman end________
:
:
:Dan Fox wrote:
:>
:> Quo Vadis <ubi...@somewhere.in.cosmos> wrote:
:> > In article <19990603154542.664$5...@newsreader.com>, Dan Fox
:>
:> I don't know if it's simplicity - or that the art is
non-representational.
:> Many people seem to have a problem with art that doesn't faithfully copy
:> the outside world, or require traditional drawing skills (a least not in
:> evidence to them). They have grown up with a fixed notion of what art is,
:> and anything else is off limits. I have had people react with anger to
:> my work, and also become emotionally upset (when they've seen it in
:> galleries). I think that is because it assaults their expectations, hints
:> at worlds they don't understand, etc.
:>
:> painters; I think it goes with the mental set.
:> One major difference in the two camps: in general, abstract artists are
:> much more admiring of good figurative art than figurative artists of
:> abstraction. I personally like good art, regardless of the form. I think
:> that the qualitative difference lies here but will have to think about it
:> more.
:> People like Mani just follow their agenda pretty mechanically, it seems.
I
:> don't think the comments of the psycho fringe have anything to do with
art.
:> They are there to make trouble; that's their kick. If they cant do it
there
:> they'll do it elsewhere (and do).
:>
:> I'll think some more about this. I'm hoping for more posts on the site,
:> both pro and con.
:> >
Kay again
Erik A. Mattila wrote in message
:
(snip)
:
:By the way, the test will be for Marilyn to do a double post also, just to
see
:if it shows up on alt.brallen. Hear that, Marilyn? As for the idea being
:crosslposted Deconstruction threads on raf.
:
:Erik
:
:Yo soy un Artistico Fartistico
Dear Fartistico (I like it!),
What were all those thread about. Sounded like people were making up
nonsensical stories, but I had only read 3, mostly Dan's and yours. What
happened and who killed it?
Artistico da Balogna
Kay
:
Andrew Kennedy
This
> branch of social science brougt language to task by questioning the basis
we
> have for saying anything -- what and how words mean, how they carry
baggage
> (connotation etc.). One thing was remarkable, when I tried to discuss
these
> things with othere, great and heated arguments would break out, often
resulting
> in extreme hostility (not to mention that I'm also obnoxious often.) At
any
> rate, my theory was that questing language on this level was 'too close to
> home' and could be very threatening and disorienting to one who is
discovering
> such things. (It kind of disengages you from the confort of your dreamed
> reality, eh?)
> <snip>
Hardly suprising given that language is the OS of the soul.
Andrew
(Talk'n art 'n stuff in aus.net.status ???)
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Dan Fox
> Dan Fox wrote in message <19990605181056.642$K...@newsreader.com>...
> :> In article <19990603154542.664$5...@newsreader.com>, Dan Fox
>
> :One major difference in the two camps: in general, abstract artists are
> :much more admiring of good figurative art than figurative artists of
> :abstraction. I personally like good art, regardless of the form. I think
> :that the qualitative difference lies here but will have to think about
> :it more.
>
> But not understanding, wouldn't you want to remain *mute on a subject?
> Would you object and show your ignorance of the subject so loudly? I
> don't understand this at all...
People like Mani and Peter N. don't consider themselves ignorant at all.
They are the voices of reason in the wilderness, shouting that the emperor
has no clothes. They believe that either:
a)WE are the ignorant ones, making 'insipid scribbles' and foolishly
thinking that it is art, or,
b)we know very well what we are doing and, in concert with gallery owners,
magazine editors, museum curators, critics, and others in the cabal, we are
cynically foisting non-art on gullible collectors and the public.
>
> :People like Mani just follow their agenda pretty mechanically, it seems.
> :I don't think the comments of the psycho fringe have anything to do with
> :art. They are there to make trouble; that's their kick. If they cant do
> :it there they'll do it elsewhere (and do).
>
> :I'll think some more about this. I'm hoping for more posts on the site,
> :both pro and con.
>
> Huh? (short term memory loss) What site?
My site. www.danfoxart.com. Cash, check, or money order gratefully
accepted.
>
> Kay
Dan Fox
> :
> Dear Fartistico (I like it!),
> What were all those thread about. Sounded like people were making up
> nonsensical stories, but I had only read 3, mostly Dan's and yours. What
> happened and who killed it?
>
> Artistico da Balogna
> Kay
Huh? I didn't post to the deconstruction thread (not smart enuf) - is
somebody stealing my identity??
With righteous indignation,
Kay
Kay
Marilyn Welch wrote in message ...
:Hi - regards to all!
:
:This is my response to the test. I'm on the Freenet (no GUI)
:and it took about 30 seconds to "validate newsgroups"
:before I could send this.
:Now that I'm here, I'm wordless having spent the entire day
:working on my daugher's web site. That's pretty boring stuff setting
:up a web page, making one million cross links. Especially since I
:hardly know what I am doing. What is a "frame?"
:
:I liked the idea for a thread of early beginnings as an artist.
:I'll work on that and post it later. Knowing that no one here
:will take the information and turn it into something sinister.
:
:Peace.
:
:Marilyn
:
:wq...@victoria.tc.ca
:Victoria BC Canada
:
:
Dan Fox
> Hi - regards to all!
Hi, Marilyn - well, it's great to have you here. It's great to be able to
post and know you won't get flamed by some nitwit.
Let the good times roll!
>
<snip for my server limitations>
>
> Marilyn
>
> wq...@victoria.tc.ca
> Victoria BC Canada
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