A raving from Tunney !
Michael Tunn
Andrew David Bartlett wrote:
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> gib...@nspace.com.au (Tom Gibbins) writes:
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> >In article <322A66...@isis.curtin.edu.au>, Shane Best
> ><bbe...@isis.curtin.edu.au> wrote:
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> >> I received the above from someone claiming to be the GIT himself
> >> So if anyone hears Michael Tunn having a whinge could you
> >> please let me know what he says :)
> >> Or post a summary to the group.
> >> Cos I couldn't be bothered listening to the retard fest
> >> for all the time his on.
> >>
> >> Shane.
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> >Micheal Tunn is a legend.. Jealousy is a curse. Tell him he can email
> >me anytime....
> > Lani
> >>>>> I got an email from 'him' too....seemed to check out ok!!!!!
>
> Bart
Yes I certainly are a dickhead to think that you wish to do anything
other than flame me (but hey bigger boys have done that to me in the
past, I don't even know who you guys are). It is also strange to me that
I have always love to read the complaints we get at Triple J - and have
always felt if I wasn't getting any there must be something wrong (I
think the same goes from AUS.MUSIC and any of the Free Street Mags)
Any way enough of this banter - This is a copy of a response I sent on
EMAIL to Andrew Bartlett - who actually replied with an intresting email
asking me about the Playlist and such matters which I replied to. Here
is a copy of my EMAIL for you all to read. I think you might find it
intresting - it's quite a paranoid letter - from someone who's job is
obviously under threat and should be read in that context. But you may
want to use it as a debating point on AUS.MUSIC to be little bit more
creative in your critism's of Triple J!
This SUX and that SUx isn't helpful - and only helps to re-inforce from
the view of the rest of the NET society that the NEWSGROUPS (worlwide
are) are nothing but places for displaced and sad individuals to flame
one other - and sometimes (as the case with me) a chance to flame those
in the public spotlite.
This is a great forum - please start using it a bit more constructively.
Michael Tunn
Yes I do have a playlist (and about 4 tracks an hour are by request) -
although I myself as the assistant music director do my own Playlists
and sometimes some of the other shifts when Arnold (the MD) is busy. I
can play what I like (in all practical ways) - But I program mainly for
what I think the audience wants - and also in train with the music
programming policy of Triple J and the ABC, even if occasionally I get
self-indulgent, which would mean playing some weird shit,.
Both of the tracks you mention, Sisters of Mercy and Beastie-Boys are in
rotation - and they could be on Franks playlist - however he has 2
choices an hour - so what you heard could of been on the playlist or
his choice. I have played both these artists on my show on so many
occasions, this leads me to think it was probably programmed.
On the question of the Hottest 100 - (no.1) Smells like teen spirit -
(no.2) Love will tear us apart again - (no.3) Lithium - that was 1991
from my memory - I was working at Triple J at the the time. And your
right, this list would make a awesome CD. If only we could get the
rights to release it (since Kurt’s death I don’t think that would be
possible).
Anyway - I've got to say that I am use to having the knife in my back
from the AUS.MUSIC area. I really do believe they want Triple J to be
something that it is impossible for the Radio Station to be. Triple J
cant be that because we are funded by the Australian Taxpayer. We have
to be a BROADcaster. We can't be a NARROWcaster (by the way there are
stations who get there broadcast licence on this ideal - currently FBI
in Sydney are applying for such a licence, and I would now like to state
my public support on the Internet for FBI, go get it guys!!!!).
The real facts are that Triple J has to appeal to a large number of
young Australians as it is a taxpaid Radio Station - we have to be BROAD
- While we have to be progressive and we most certainly are committed to
the promotion of the best Australian Musi c, we must be a BROADCASTER
(this might change if the current government have their way). Triple J,
by our editorial independence have avoided playing the worst of the
current Australian music, however if we were tied down to a
non-independent charter, which I think is the current Government’s
agenda we WOULD be forced to play all Australian music which would (and
before you think this is a good idea ) include, Tina Arena, John Farnham
and any acts on Molly Meldurum's label (I'm sure you know Peter Andre').
This charter of being everything to everyone is- considering the
mentality of the Australian Population - a hard task to fulfil. In some
quarters we don't do it that well. Lets take the people closest to me,
like my Mum and Dad. I know they think Triple J is a load of crap (if I
didn't work there, they would be making submission to the federal
government to get it closed, I'm sure). They dislike the crude language,
the promotion of aboriginal Australians and that we recognise the
existence of Gays and Lesbians. They also - although I don’t think they
care that much - dislike the fact we don’t play music like 5AD (Adelaide
- just equate this to your local easy listening station). I have to
take their views as the common average Australian Taxpayer . Most people
don’t care much for the young Australian Taxpayer. Yes I am a young
single tax-payer - so I am not bi-pastasian, and for Christ sakes would
never pretend to be otherwise. For all accounts I'm a damn yuppie, the
only problem is I have no partner, and no kids, does this government
considerers me nothing more than a abruption from the norm (my god I
must by Gay).
THESE ARE THE POINTS MADE BY BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT ON THE ISSUE OF
TRIPLE J WHICH I READ AND HEAR ON MANY OCCASIONS.
The LEFT say that TRIPLE J is too commercial - and do not provide any
alternative to commercial radio. That we fail to provide diversity. And
are in chase of ratings.
This is something I often heard before the ABC was under threat by the
Liberal and National parties the same people are now arguing that, which
I agreed must bring the argument into some imbalance .
Triple J is the only voice of Australia's youth and provide the
country with new music - and support new Australians bands who would not
even have the slightest chance in hell of being played by Mass
commercial radio.
To support this left wing view (and believe me please, I am really a
fascist in a lefties wig) the extensive contacts I have through the
commercial radio industry tell me that the “Rock Station” Triple M
Sydney is still refusing to play “The Gurge” (its just inner city crap
as far as Don Foster (MD of Triple M) is concerned ), this is despite
their sister station the Chart orientated 2Dayfm (and SAFM, FOX and
104.7 Canberra) playing the band, we understand that this is only
because of a ratings threat at Night from Triple J. Ok I might have a
slight self interest from pointing this fact out - but hey I'm due for
the credit (at least I'm not going on about Sliverchair). Background
here is that Triple M (anywhere in Australia) has never been able to
threaten in the last 2 years Triple Jay’s huge rock creed at night. As
such we are all the CHR Austereo’s stations biggest opposition at Night
times where we rule everyone under 25 (sorry We don’t have the 10 to 15
yearolds - but hey who wont’s people with no pubic hair) and the only
other people who listen to radio (during TV prime time) is the over 55’s
(good on you Stan you have all of those you fat fascist prick).
Obviously Triple J isn’t taking over this older audience but you get my
point don’t you about Triple Jay’s role is breaking the commercial
domination.
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Back onto the opposing views (hey STAN this is your area - Alan Jones
look at this too)
The RIGHT say that we are the voice of minority interests. That we do
not command the audience/ratings to warrant our budget. While in the
same breath say that we provide the services that commercial radio
already provide.
And while saying we have no audience, they say that we are corrupting
the Youth of Australia. Think about it, if no-ones listening how could
we be a threat.
And this is the strangest back flip of all. They reckon Triple J should
be sold off to commercial interest. Mainly because it is worth so much
commercially.
Does that mean because we command an audience (which apparently we
should) that we should be close down or (which I think is the option
they prefer) we should be a new commercial entity.
So what’s my view on all this. Well since I've been part of Triple J
since the start of 1991 - it might be hard for me to be bipartisan. In
fact Impossible - so I wont bother. I will instead make an editorial -
this is my view - and not that of anyone else - including Ed Breslin
(head of Triple J) and Brian Johns(the ABC head). Should I also mention
not the view of Donald McDonald(ABC Chairman) and Senator Alston
(Minister of Communications). Yes this is my view.
HISTORY: If 2JJJ(SYDNEY) remained as it was at the end of the 80's it
would of been almost certainly axed. Triple J had to network from Sydney
for its survival. At the time the Federal Government under Hawke had
been cutting the ABC budget in real terms by quite some number. Not only
did Triple J have to network for its survival but it had to gain more
than the share of 2% that it had as 2JJJ in Sydney before 1990
The survival figure in the ratings was not officially determined but a
figure in the range of 5% nationally was from my information at least
require - and the number 2 position in the demographic of 15 to 30
year-olds had to be gained. If not - Triple J would have to go.
This was understood within the ABC for a few reasons.
# One the Labor government would eventually lose power, or cut the ABC
(lets face it we knew they couldn't hang on for that long anyway - its
time for a change after 10 years - I’m surprised they hung on for 13.)
#Two Liberals/Nationals (especially after the 93 election) would be out
for Aunties blood (they considered the debate between Hewson and Keating
to be pro Keating, this debate happened at ABC's Gore Hill Studios -
you'll note Howard did not let this happen in the 96 Elections, Ray
Martin at Nines Studios got control of that debate).
Regardless if Triple J had no large audience - It would be the first
target, no matter what government controlled Canberra . So it had to
have a large enough audience to survive any future situation. Don't be
fooled no Australian government has ever been interested in young people
(even though labor probably have more interest). The ABC had to create a
network so powerful that if they fucked with it (excuse my French) they
would be in trouble politically.
That is why the older end of Triple J's audience is so important - they
are the ones who bother to vote (yes I am suggesting telling you young
people to register to vote in the next election - in a country of 18
million isn’t a it shame that only 10 million vote, don’t tell me
8million Australians are under 18 - I will never believe it and neither
should you)
Especially in regional conservative areas, it was important to have
25-39 support for the Network - this will scare the Nationals into
supporting Triple J (much more than any gun control debate). This is now
the situation. Triple J never gained that number 2 nationally in 15 to
30 year olds (although it did in important areas of the country).
However Triple J has a very large 25 to 40 year old audience in almost
all areas of Australia (except Melbourne , they can't get away from
Triple M and Fox it seems, well it is Village Roadshow's Home town after
all (and Village Roadshow probably say the same thing about Sydney),
sorry Triple R you are not considered the reason for this).
Because of the Information I have passed on to you - you can understand
why Triple J occasionally acts as if it is not true to it purpose. I
will defend it here. We are true to our purpose as outlined in our
Charter - but we have to protect against those Baby-Boomers who wish
Triple J dead. We have done this in the most proper way possible - that
is to make them part of our audience. They hear young people from our
network - we help our parents understand us from the fact they enjoy
what we broadcast.
So occasionally you hear the Beatles or the Rolling Stones (they are
part of our heritage anyway). You might also hear a Midnight Oil Track
or AC/DC or even INXS Stones (they are also part of our heritage)..
Don't let that think we are not true to our goals. They are all part of
the battle that is on between the minority (us younger than the baby
boomers) and them. Please don’t lose faith and turn against us.
All you will be left with is a Right wing Austereo Network or the
talkback power of John Laws and Allan Jones.
What I mean here - and it will come clear if you check the demographic
charts - those of my age22 and the most immediate of both sides of me
are the smallest population group in the country. We are born to
parents who were at the start of the baby boomers - the generation (who
are children now) are the mid kids of the Baby Boomers that is why there
are more of them than us. We will always be the smallest demographic -
we will always by the advertisers less important demographic - yet our
parents will expect us to support them through their older age (because
they have not saved, and created debts up into their eye-balls).
Superannuation is in a mess - and by the way was never going to be
another for these greedy baby boomers anyway - don’t be deceived our
parents want us to support them - even though we wont be able to
produce enough to support them
Secondly - Those kids younger than us will have the main political power
when it should be ours (in our middle age) - we will NEVER have
Democratic power - the other demographics will always beat us!
No matter what you might think - you've got to be behind us we are the
only voice of Generation-x (for the want of a better generalisation -
personally I like sega-generation or is the IBM-babes maybe the
Gates(Bill)-generation, no that sounds too evil) . Triple J is
everything the young want to say. Also you must stick up for Rage and
(no matter how more backward than even Triple J is) Recovery. If you do
not - all you will be left with for a youth cultural reference is the
Top 30 Countdown on Austereo Stations and the Video Hits format on Ten.
(Please don't see me as against these people - they do what they must in
the environment they work it - and considering, do a good job - but they
too would have less power to bring good things to air if the ABC was not
there). I know this sounds like a conspiracy, but I tell you there is
one - one I can't prove. However working in the media for the last six
years I know it does exist, and by telling you will probably never work
for commercial interests.
I believe on AUS.MUSIC you have may be not deliberately supporting this
Right wing View. Sorry to say this but you guys are acting as if you
want to get rid of us. If that is the case, I warn you if your dreams
came true you would be left with, a very (and highly controlled)
commercial sector.
Austereo WOULD play even more CLASSIC rock instead of NEW rock - they
know where the advertising bucks really come from (the 25 to 39's) - and
if the younger end of the market had no-where else to go - they would
have no reason to play new music as they do at the moment (yes they do -
more than you think) because they would see no reason to go after the
Triple J audience, because now they don't exist.
For Sydney and regional readers: You might be lucky the Liberal
government might approve (I have little doubt that they would even
consider it), and you will have a NARROW-casting sector, but these
NARROWcasters would have no funds (they wont be able to take
commercials, village/Austereo would never allow it along with all
commercial broadcasters) to provide a service even the most dedicated
listener would not want to listen to (the old saying - you pay peanuts
(ie: in the narrowcasting sector means nothing) you get monkeys). Look
at Triple R in Melbourne and Triple Z in Brisbane, even before Triple J
came to these markets - the ratings said (and I'm sorry they are the
only thing we have to go by) these stations had less than 1 percent of
the people. That is an audience, but one with no political power - an
audience of this size as I said earlier would mean the end of a publicly
funded Triple J.
If you are supporter of these stations (and I personally very glad that
they exist, 3d FM in Adelaide gave me my start) what have you got to
gain by the loss of Triple J. You may then ask what have you got to
loose - I'll tell you: A more open minded young community which if there
was no Triple J the only radio they would hear is commercial radio, only
buying coca-cola and watching the latest village roadshow movie.
The audience that currently listens to triple J will only go back to
commercial radio if we don’t exist - they will not go to the community
sector - they cant stand it - even if they did know about it (yes most
people in Melbourne are not even aware of the existence of Triple R
little alone PBS or the occasional HITZ-FM) they could not stand the
slap bang, and self indulgence of the Community broadcast sector.
I think that’s why most on AUS.MUSIC don't like Triple J - because we
are gaining from the commercial sector - that’s why the Right don’t like
us either - we take from their influence.
That’s why you have to support us - when it is important we do express
views that the commercials don't (or since I know a lot of people who
work there - can't) express. The ABC brings you a view which the big
banks and the big people don't want the masses to hear - and that’s why
the big people want to get us out of the picture.
I'll tell you the rich want to get rid of us - at this stage they can't
because we have a large audience. But with the far lefts support they
might succeed at least at undermining us. If you support this move to
get rid - I think we will be far on the path to Triple Jay's death.
What will be left after we have gone. Maybe a community sector, which
powers to be might want to make the next target. The community
broadcasters need us to protect them (because they need some mass view
to protect their independence) - and we need them to protect us. This is
real people and real democracy.
I accept that Triple J is part of the system - but only out of our own
survival- and beyond that we do deliver the things that contradict - the
true balance. That’s why the extreme Left and the Right find us hard to
understand (and think we are their enemies). However have no doubt we
are almost always the enemy of the FAR-RIGHT - the rich, the powerful
and advertisers (they are all the same if you haven’t realised, except
Telstra at the moment which is Rich and Advertisers but is Publicly
owned - maybe you should ask why the Liberal Party are so desperate to
sell it). We are people who are trying to entertain (foremost) and
educate. And be part of Australian Society (and that word Australian is
the most important to us and the whole of the ABC).
Before you judge us - Consider the information I have outlined above
and also consider the stuff that doesn’t attempt to please the masses -
this is what we do - I list some of our LOW RATING SHOWS:
This Sporting Life
Live at the Wireless
The Australian Music Show
The Groove Train
The World Music Show
Three Hours of Power
Mix-Up
Creatures of the Spotlight
If we had really loss the plot - why would we keep these shows on?
Especially considering Ratings is the only things Governments Notice
Thanks for your Time.
Love,
Michael Tunn
Triple J
If you want to chat leave a message on AUS.MUSIC or AUS.RADIO.BROADCAST
or at my EMAIL tun...@ozemail.com.au
ONCE AGAIN I POINT AT THESE ARE THE VIEWS OF MYSELF AND NOT THE
AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION. (C) 1996 Michael Tunnn
Some of the great myths about the ABC - based on a report by David
Salter - EP of Media Watch.
EVERYONE MUST SHARE THE PAIN:
Bullshit: Defence spending is up - it is too for our Olympic (able
bodied) athletes - also for ASIO (and probally ASIS) - and the Mining
companies still get the rebate on Diesel! By the way where is that
decrease for the politicians Super?
ABC SPENDS YOUR MONEY AND COMMERCIAL SPENDS THEIR OWN:
Bullshit: The ABC costs Australia about 500million - the Commercials (in
added prices to products advertised on their networks) cost Australians
about 2.73 Billion a year (you might not even use Commercial media but
you pay twice) . Number one you are forced to watch the add on
television (time is money and watching commercials is a waste in
anyone’s language) and then the commercial Tax on the product you buy, -
hey there’s no free LUNCH, SORRY!. Maybe you could just stop consuming
and stop watching Commercial Television and listening to Commercial
radio - now then it would not cost you anything - however you would
probably starve to death - unless you had a great vegetable garden - and
a few COWS! (Sorry I don’t mean to offend Vegetarians)
ABC IS FOR ELITISTS SNOBS:
Bullshit:
The ABC is used (according to Ratings) by 80% of Australians at least
once a week - that’s makes all but 20% of Australians Elitist Snobs - we
must be a very elitist Nation. Think about it - maybe because so many
people access the ABC that’s why they want to get rid of us! If we
didn't we would be no threat to these intrests - Murdoch Packer ect...
THE ABC SHOULD STOP PROVIDING SERVICES AVAILABLE ELSE WHERE:
What duplication - we report the NEWS - SORRY - Channel Ten news is so
good why should we possible step on their reporting toes! We have
Drama’s - oh yes GP and Home and Away are quite comparable: Gee Triple J
really does sound like 2WS. Please FOLKS if you can point out where we
Duplicate services I will eat my Grandmas Bra!
Also if our supposed Duplication is so wrong - why is it when the ABC
(due to budget cuts) decided to cut League Coverage in NSW and QLD there
was such an out cry even from RADIO 2UE (which is the service we are
duplicating?), claiming the ABC had a pro(?)Victorian agenda? This is
basically a load of BULLSHIT - you must be able to see it! We don’t
duplicate when the big picture is taken into account - regional
Australia rellies on our Rugby coverage they don’t get it on commercial
radio - we repeat it into the Cities to save on cost to the TAXPAYER -
It’s true the ABC CANT WIN when right wing views are argued - if we
don’t do something we are wrong - if we do we are duplicating!
NO SENIOR EXECS EVER LOSE THEIR JOB AT THE ABC:
Well tell David Hill that or Peter Loxton or Paddy Conroy - Or even
those high paid Triple J DJ’s like Andy Giltre of Deb Spillane or
Maynard F# Crabbs. This is A LIE - people lose their jobs for no other
reason than politics all the Time in the ABC - that’s why I can’t get a
Home loan from a Bank - there is no job for life for those at the Top of
the ABC.. This is probably the Biggest Bullshit Myth of all that there
is. Even Brian Johns is looking over his shoulder for the knife in the
back at this moment.
THE GOVERNMENT RESPECTS THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE ABC
As long as we don’t supposably duplicate the services of the commercial
services or mention Aboriginals - or other "minority intrests" our
Independence is respected (act like you work for Kerry Packer and we
will make sure you can kept your Independence) - The Liberals want to
control us - make no doubt about this!
THE ABC WOULD BE UNAFFECTED BY ADVERTISING AND SPONSORSHIP:
SCENE : IN THE OFFICES OF THE GENERAL MANAGER OF TRIPLE J
BOSS: Michael I really wish you wouldn’t poke fun a Pepsi - they are the
sponsor of your show:
Tunney: What Pepsi the drink of the new integration is not funny boss!
BOSS: NO!
Tunney: How about Pepsi the Drink of the completely FUCK Generation!
BOSS: NO!
OK maybe I just wont mention the product at all
STICK YOU HEAD BACK UNDER THE ROCK: AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER:
Advertising is not going to change the ABC ... Advertising is not going
to change the ABC ... Advertising is not going to change the ABC ...
Advertising is not going to change the ABC ... Advertising is not going
THE MANSFIELD (OPTUS YES MAN WHO GOT SACKED FROM FAIRFAX) REVIEW IS A
FRESH NEW START FOR THE ABC.
Bullshit: If the budget cut came after the review maybe you could
consider this to be a faithful review of an important national asset:
with the fact that Mansfield (who I think is a decent chap - no really a
close friend of my said he is a very nice guy - and I wont’ hear a bad
thing said about BOB) knows what the government is going to do - he will
have to recommend a cut to the ABC’s service regardless of his true
feelings -as such public submissions as pointless. Remember this is a
secret review - and wont be held in public! We might not even know his
final recommendations (did John Howard ever work for the CIA?)
I wont go on - but you get my point!!
This is a plot - have no doubt, sell your soul to the economy and forget
about Australia as a society - forget an independent voice - they will
have their way - and I have probably fucked up my career for saying so!
You think democracy is freedom - this is the biggest lie of all- People
get the government they deserve not the Best Government they think they
deserve. That is why they feel so powerless. Don’t take my word for it -
educate yourselves - find out everything you can and make your own mind
up. I told you before I am biased in regard to the ABC - so if you find
what I say interesting - or amusing try to find something out for
yourselves - people love to TALK. That’s the Human Spirit.
Love
Michael Tunn
Phil Tripp
In response to Michael Tunn's extremely long rave on Triple J, commercial
versus non commercial radio, democracy and freedom, cricism by the
sniveling lurker/losers who scurry around newsgroup like revolutionary
packrats of verbiage...
Michael would have to be the most intelligent and lucid commentator on
this issue that I have seen, What amazes me even more when I started
reading this at six am checking out our site and long stacks of email, is
that once I started reading, I couldn't stop evenn though this screed is
beyond belief i length.
But it had to be said and I'll admit, I'd judged Michael to be closer to
Jonathan Coleman based on his antics and act than the clearly brainy and
cluey person that he has shown himself to be in taking the personal time
and effort to try and respond to one person and inspire many.
Michael, I forgot that radio personality is in many ways a form of ating
and that like the musos in the movie Spinal Tap, they are following a
script and aren't really like that just the same as you have to follow a
playlist, only being able to adlib musically on a couple of occasions an
hour.
What a lot of these self aggrandised critics fail to realise is that
Triple J is serving cutting edge boutique restaurant music on a soup
kitchen budget, not McDonalds' fast food tunes from a corporate giant.
But Triple can't please every taste nor just respond to the Goths' raw
meat on the bone requests as a constant menu or the strictly vegan cries
of constant new age music. It has to be serving a continuously changing
menu of ear food with funny or thought provoking waiters.
Now I don't listen to Triple J that much nor any radio station really
anymore since I'm content to take the effort to program my own CDs in the
office with my staff's selection on a 25 CD changer. It's not that Triple
J is bad, it's just not my choice at the moment, nor is KICK, though I've
listened to it too. You fools out there who have nothing better to do
than be masturbatory, lame instant petite celebrities on a newsgroup by
trying to be cute through impotent flaming... or those of you who can't
get through the day without savaging the group effort of Triple J
constantly like a broken record... please GET A LIFE!
Just get it awy from the more intelligent banter that should and often
does comprise this newsgroup.
Hey Tunny, I think what you said was great and with a little editing, I'd
love to put it onto our IN MUSIC & MEDIA online music magazine. It's at:
http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/index2.html
if you want to check it out.
Would love to catch up with you for an analog chat at the appropriate tme.
Cheers
PHIL TRIPP
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NickyV
Well, love Tunney or hate him, I personally think that TripleJ ROCKS.
I've just been overseas for 6 months and I didn't find a radio station
anywhere that even came close. The first thing I did once I got over
the jetlag was tune in to JJJ. If you don't like the station or
Tunney or whatever else, DON'T LISTEN. My personal opinion (which I
realise doesn't count for much) is that we're very lucky here in Oz to
have a station like this..............................Nicky
David Melo
Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: But it had to be said and I'll admit, I'd judged Michael to be closer to
: Jonathan Coleman based on his antics and act than the clearly brainy and
: cluey person that he has shown himself to be in taking the personal time
: and effort to try and respond to one person and inspire many.
Inspire many? To what? Keep him on the public payroll?
: What a lot of these self aggrandised critics fail to realise is that
: Triple J is serving cutting edge boutique restaurant music on a soup
: kitchen budget, not McDonalds' fast food tunes from a corporate giant.
Oh I see! So, playing more interesting music would cost more, as
well as giving the station more of a 'pre-fab' look.
: But Triple can't please every taste nor just respond to the Goths' raw
: meat on the bone requests as a constant menu or the strictly vegan cries
: of constant new age music. It has to be serving a continuously changing
: menu of ear food with funny or thought provoking waiters.
WE ARE WAITING FOR BOTH!
: listened to it too. You fools out there who have nothing better to do
: than be masturbatory, lame instant petite celebrities on a newsgroup by
: trying to be cute through impotent flaming... or those of you who can't
: get through the day without savaging the group effort of Triple J
: constantly like a broken record... please GET A LIFE!
I'm getting it now - your stirring paragraph has placed my
rampant ononism in a new light and I shall hereafter follow thy more
mature example:
"Oh gosh Mr Tunn, I was reeeeally moved by your truly amazing manifesto -
it was so much better than all those horrible little riff-raff's cause it
was heeeeeeeaps longer and you are soooooo famous and they are just
little and ugly and bitter and blind and nasty and they eat Christian
babies and I have all your t-shirts how dare they criticise triple j -
it's better than listening to a concrete compressor, and you don't see 'Mr
Triple J Is Boring' smartypants asking them to be axed, do we?
"Anyway, they are just little people, and their view don't count - they
are IMPOTENT, and PETITE CELEBRITIES unlike Mr Tunn who is a real
celebrity, so his view is waaaaaaaaaaay more important - and if you don't
believe me just ask Mr Tripp."
What a load of old cobblers. If some of us out there think that Triple j
is doing an inadequate job in providing stimulating music then we are
perfectly entitled to - why is it that I am more likely to be blown away
listening to John Peel for 1/2 an hour a week on BBC world service (even
though I won't like a lot of it) than in a few months of Triple J? It is
all so predictable, and we are allowed to say so whether you think we are
important enough to do so or not.
I understand that in your line of work, the idea of newsgroups such as
these is dangerous - heck, we can't have Mr or Ms Average out there
spouting their opinions for all to hear can we? No, opinions must be
held only by a minority whose right to shout them from the rooftops shall
be God-given. Likewise for Triple J. I know from personal experience
that the internet eliminates the need for Triple J (in respects to its
role as an introducer of new music) as one can now find niche music,
listen to it and order it pretty well as it happens. I understand,
though, that I speak as one of those priveleged to be on the net (and for
free at that), and am unable to speak for those who aren't (nor for those
in the country, or who have had the cerebral regions associated with
chalenging music removed.)
David Melo
Newcastle
Phil Tripp
Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
radio station you could change the airways.
PT
Lou
> David Melo
> Newcastleexactly the kind of bitching that gets us nowhere!!!!
Phil was right! Tunn provd himslef to be an intelligent person with good
ideas and veiws - it is a job and he hs to do what he's told in certain
respects!
I dislike most of what the J's put out, but I know they could never
offer me what I want - Half A Cow 30 times a day and Lemonheads the rest
of the time - it's unrealistic! They do try, and they do reach an
important audience - one with money
without the support that we get from JJJ audiences, how could You Am I
tour the US? how could any one know what SWnout sound like... etc
Lou
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Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
: Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
: radio station you could change the airways.
Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
know you could change the err-ways of yours. I have helped out providing
music quite frequently on local station 2nur fm, and I am involved in a
Newcastle record label which has released music in the US and Europe.
Due to the feeble attentions given to musical variety (rather than
homologous tripe) in Australia, ourselves and others have decided to give
the whole Australian business a miss and conduct our business elsewhere.
This is because of the dull and conservative nature of the Oz music mafia
and its tired old institutions, its press, its performers the lot.
The Oz music industry is at present almost totally useless to me - I
glean basically nothing for it and as a result I am perfectly entitled to
have a whine at it and its components. My whingeing is easily understood.
Likewise, your smug behaviour reflects your place in this
trite and testy industry - you are an incumbent an it is a perfectly
reasonable thing that you should desire a continuation of status-quo.
But, hey, at least you're not "inbred" are you? I thank you for the
speculation as to my genetic composition, and also for the lovely
paternalistic "lets see if we can get you off the streets sonny Jim"
tone. It was a right revelation.
David Melo
Newcastle
Michael James Lawler
c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) writes:
>Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
>: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
>: Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
>: radio station you could change the airways.
>Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
>thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
>know you could change the err-ways of yours. I have helped out providing
[ some good stuff snipped ]
>But, hey, at least you're not "inbred" are you? I thank you for the
>speculation as to my genetic composition, and also for the lovely
>paternalistic "lets see if we can get you off the streets sonny Jim"
>tone. It was a right revelation.
>David Melo
>Newcastle
<Girl parades around with cardboard number "2">
Ding, ding, Round Two gentleman...
james wall
On 7 Sep 1996 14:38:35 GMT, c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David
Melo) wrote:
>David Melo
>Newcastle
What Dave said.
a lpha66@h unterlink.n et.a u
bury your head in the sand
bury your face in your hands
.N ewcastle, A ustralia.
Phil Tripp
In article <50vq7i$4...@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au>, mj...@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au
(Michael James Lawler) wrote:
Round two is rathersimple. I've referred to mental inbreeding on the
issue of slagging radio in general and Triple J in particular. It's easy
to be a critic but we see few who actually wrk at making a difference.
Phil Tripp
In article <50ufsk$2...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) wrote:
>
> Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
> : Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
>
> : Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
> : radio station you could change the airways.
>
> Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
> thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
> know you could change the err-ways of yours.
I thought I was answering personal criticism and advice from you!?!
I have helped out providing
> music quite frequently on local station 2nur fm, and I am involved in a
> Newcastle record label which has released music in the US and Europe.
> Due to the feeble attentions given to musical variety (rather than
> homologous tripe) in Australia, ourselves and others have decided to give
> the whole Australian business a miss and conduct our business elsewhere.
I'd be the first to suggest it. Have you noticed how our music industry
is becomeing more like New Zealand's. Artists and other talent leaving or
going offshore to do their deals. Not healthy.
> This is because of the dull and conservative nature of the Oz music mafia
> and its tired old institutions, its press, its performers the lot.
I think that's too general a criticism to hold water. It's more like a
conspiracy theory. There is no music mafia. More like a dope ring (ring
of dopes as opposed to a drug reference). Too may people who fail to make
it put the blame on some music mafia, the press, radio, institutions, etc.
>
> The Oz music industry is at present almost totally useless to me - I
> glean basically nothing for it and as a result I am perfectly entitled to
> have a whine at it and its components. My whingeing is easily understood.
Very easily understood. We have a philosophy that a recession or adverse
climate is a challenge and where most people give up or whine. To
succeed, you have to turn this adversity into an asset.
> Likewise, your smug behaviour reflects your place in this
> trite and testy industry - you are an incumbent an it is a perfectly
> reasonable thing that you should desire a continuation of status-quo.
David, I have no interest in the status quo and am very critical of the
direction this 'industry' is going. If yu're interested in an expansion
on that, read lastweek's Loose Cannon from our music trade mag at
http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/tripp.html
If you took the time in our archives to look at some back editorial at
http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/archives.html
you might be pleasantly surprised that I've fought t get this 'inbred
thinking' (not referring to genetics here) changed at the upper levels of
the industry and government too.
Might I ask with all of this enthusiasm and energy you are putting into
your writing, have you communicated any of this to the present government
who are looking to bring some fresh changes into the industry?
Cheers
David Melo
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Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: In article <50vq7i$4...@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au>, mj...@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au
: (Michael James Lawler) wrote:
: > c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) writes:
: > >Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: > >: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
: >
: > >: radio station you could change the airways.
: > Ding, ding, Round Two gentleman...
: Round two is rathersimple. I've referred to mental inbreeding on the
: issue of slagging radio in general and Triple J in particular. It's easy
: to be a critic but we see few who actually wrk at making a difference.
It's easy to be an anti-critic when you're part of the present
system and it's crap, and you make a living off it.
I don't see how triple j attempts to make a difference. They have the
clout to make a difference, but like the musical press &c they have
chosen a set homologous style to follow and are not interested too much
in deviating from it.
Not everyone out there has to be actively seeking to make a
difference - people have a right to choose, and have opinions on, how
they are to be entertained, without necessarily having to become
involved. If they are being presented with crap, they can say it's crap.
Would it then be the case that, every time you disagree with a government
decision, off you go, scurrying off to the electoral office to declare
your candidacy for upcoming elections in the quest to make a difference?
Bollocks it is.
Is anyone, by asking to have their auditory perceptors
enlightened with more esoteric music REALLY displaying signs of mental
inbreeding, or are they merely attempting to do the opposite? If
anything, the inbreeding exists in the pitiful excuse for a music
industry with which we are burdened. It is crap, it shirks variety, and
it is expensive - oh, and it is mortally inbred. The rock-pig culture
which is proferred constantly down our throats is a disgrace to musical
variety (& hence to avoidance of inbreeding.)
The way, for example, that tripe j has dragged techno into the sewer
by assuming that the kiddie tunes they select are a representative sample
of the genre is an affront to the music. Whenever I think about their
piss-poor commitment to the music (hey, it must come into the equatione
somewhere...?) I must say I feel completely cold about them. At such
times I think that if the plug were pulled it would be a victory to taste.
Perhaps, Mr Tripp, you should consider that triple j's detractors
badly want the station (or at least its concept) to work, but feel as
though their support over the years has been rewarded with an alienation
of their musical needs. Perhaps not all of us out here are musical
fascists. Perhaps we CAN accept that our own personal taste cannot
feasibly be reflected by a radio station who has many many listeners.
But could we please, PLEASE be blown away by something on the radio just
once in a while?
Enforced mental inbreeding, there you have (and maintain) it.
David Melo
Newcastle Australia
David Melo
Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: In article <50ufsk$2...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
: c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) wrote:
: >
: > Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: I thought I was answering personal criticism and advice from you!?!
Why, this is fun, isn't it?
Okay, fair enough, I think we are now able to settle down and
discuss logically.
: I'd be the first to suggest it. Have you noticed how our music industry
: is becomeing more like New Zealand's. Artists and other talent leaving or
: going offshore to do their deals. Not healthy.
It isn't, and it is an increasingly difficult situation due to the
increasingly niche-orientated nature of the business. This leaves Triple
j in a difficult quandry - if they try and cover all, they will lose any
unifying thread to their identity, and will be all over the place.
Obviously, too the ratings would suffer considerably and there would be
virtually no constant listenership, with people tuning in solely for
their niche programs. I know that economically it won't hold up in the
current climate, but for myself prsonally, this would be the ideal triple
j - presenters with a thorough knowledge of their respective musical
areas putting forward programs in specialist niches, with perhaps your
more renaissance-type (as in, with a liking for a broad variety of
tastes) presenter putting forward the best possible unification of the
diverse genres (a Kingsmill or Leach would be good for this role.)
Things are presently the other way around - a lot of general-type
presenters, with a little specialist programming.
I am perfectly aware that Treasury (or even ABC) heavyweights are looking
for a more bankable bottom line than musical variety.
:
: > This is because of the dull and conservative nature of the Oz music mafia
: > and its tired old institutions, its press, its performers the lot.
: I think that's too general a criticism to hold water. It's more like a
: conspiracy theory. There is no music mafia. More like a dope ring (ring
: of dopes as opposed to a drug reference). Too may people who fail to make
: it put the blame on some music mafia, the press, radio, institutions, etc.
It is - people are reluctant to have a listen to different things off
their own volition - I'm arguing that Triple J has to very much lead from
the front in opening our eyes to the wonderful music out there - the
industry itself will always as a rule be even more reluctant. Take, for
example, the marginal status of grunge-style music for half a decade
until Nirvana made millions - the industry has since flooded the market
with attempts at the same, even as the music has tired. The difficulties
of large musical companies trying to present variety in their traditional
manner are quite pronounced. They are not good enough to do so. That is
why an innovative public broadcaster is important.
: >
: > The Oz music industry is at present almost totally useless to me - I
: > glean basically nothing for it and as a result I am perfectly entitled to
: > have a whine at it and its components. My whingeing is easily understood.
: Very easily understood. We have a philosophy that a recession or adverse
: climate is a challenge and where most people give up or whine. To
: succeed, you have to turn this adversity into an asset.
As I said previously, perhaps the web etc will eliminate the need
for a triple j. There is a huge amount of instantly accessed music out
there - no matter how obscure, one can get to it. The problem is that
the internet is still a privelege.
At the scale which our label operates on, we are unaware of any
effects by economic cycles on our business. Electronic music is like
this a lot - the drive to innovation is the most important, which is why
it has been a very internationalized genre. This is why I suggest the
web - with it people can have their specialized tastes targeted and get
access to their music rapidly. Where a triple j shopuld come in is in
the area of giving their readers a general culture from which they will
be well equipped to seek whichever music has tickled their fancy. There
is, after all, a shit-load of music coming out all the time - too much
for the individual to properly look through.
: David, I have no interest in the status quo and am very critical of the
: direction this 'industry' is going. If yu're interested in an expansion
: on that, read lastweek's Loose Cannon from our music trade mag at
I shall do so.
: http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/tripp.html
: If you took the time in our archives to look at some back editorial at
: http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/archives.html
: you might be pleasantly surprised that I've fought t get this 'inbred
: thinking' (not referring to genetics here) changed at the upper levels of
: the industry and government too.
Well, the higher you go, the more so it will be. I think that
with this internet thingy, we might just be able to make this musically
diverse utopia happen, without relying on the traditional channels.
: Might I ask with all of this enthusiasm and energy you are putting into
: your writing, have you communicated any of this to the present government
: who are looking to bring some fresh changes into the industry?
As I outlined above, what I would like is something which would
really put the heebie-jeebies into the men with calculators. I don't
really believe that we are in the correct convergence of
the ideological, electoral and economic cycles for niche diversity to be
an issue validly addressed by large government institutions.
It has been interesting.
David Melo
Newcastle Australia
Phil Tripp
In article <5108dm$n...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
c930...@peach.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) wrote:
>
> Perhaps, Mr Tripp, you should consider that triple j's detractors
> badly want the station (or at least its concept) to work, but feel as
> though their support over the years has been rewarded with an alienation
> of their musical needs. Perhaps not all of us out here are musical
> fascists. Perhaps we CAN accept that our own personal taste cannot
> feasibly be reflected by a radio station who has many many listeners.
> But could we please, PLEASE be blown away by something on the radio just
> once in a while?
David, I've been blown away by radio, unfortunately it's been in other
countries generally. Triple J is operating under the same constraints as
commerical radio in many ways and getting them to change is like trying to
turn the tides with a sieve. The trick is not to try and whinge the Js to
death, we know that it's pretty bland stuff at best. The trick is to help
establish alternatives that people listen t and that's by evangelising for
statons like FBI, HITZ and the worthy alternative stations. And getting
more licenses onto the airwaves. That takes pressure on the government
and that has to come from letter writing and lobbying. Problem is that
our industry does not have a lobby group. ARIA is not it and even
AMPCOM逆he industry association that is supposed to govern eht *voluntary*
quotas (choke) are as dickless as Daphne.
As much as I'd like to say I'm musically with it in listening to radio, I
pulled the plug on it and after listening to a lot of overseas
stations--especially cable radio with no commercials via cable TV
connections--that's where you can tell a real difference with niche radio.
Dave Garner
tr...@immedia.com.au (Phil Tripp) writes:
>In response to Michael Tunn's extremely long rave on Triple J, commercial
>versus non commercial radio, democracy and freedom, cricism by the
>sniveling lurker/losers who scurry around newsgroup like revolutionary
>packrats of verbiage...
Thank you, thank you...
>Michael would have to be the most intelligent and lucid commentator on
>this issue that I have seen,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, of course, is THE qualifier...
> What amazes me even more when I started
>reading this at six am checking out our site and long stacks of email, is
>that once I started reading, I couldn't stop evenn though this screed is
>beyond belief i length.
Really? I got about 20% of the way thru, and I thought that was pretty
good going. He must be clever, he sure is boring. 500 fucking lines?
"Succinct" sure can't be added to your swag of wanky praise up there...
>What a lot of these self aggrandised critics fail to realise is
Example of this, if you please? We aren't saying "I'm fantasic, Tunney
is a clueless jerkoff".
Just the second bit! 8-)
>constantly like a broken record... please GET A LIFE!
Haaa ha ha.. Rallying cry of the TRUE looser. How sad...
You angling for an exclusive with the Tunnster for IMMEDIA here or what?
I have yet to see any flames in this thread as nauseating as
your praises here...
Personal opinion only, of course! 8-)
d.
--
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Phil Tripp
In article <davgar.842254702@praetor>, dav...@praetor.hna.com.au (Dave
Garner) wrote:
>
> Haaa ha ha.. Rallying cry of the TRUE looser. How sad...
>
> You angling for an exclusive with the Tunnster for IMMEDIA here or what?
>
Hardly. I simply enjoyed what he had to say and expressed an opinion.
Gee you piss off easily when someone is positive...
> I have yet to see any flames in this thread as nauseating as
> your praises here...
Too bad you're looking only for flames and have a problem with gut
reaction to positive thinking.
>
>
> Personal opinion only, of course! 8-)
I know. Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one.
PT--
The Lost Soul
In article <50rlos$t...@odyssey.apana.org.au>,
NickyV <nic...@creativeaccess.com.au> wrote:
>Well, love Tunney or hate him, I personally think that TripleJ ROCKS.
>I've just been overseas for 6 months and I didn't find a radio station
>anywhere that even came close.
Try San Francisco, Live 105.
Remarkably similar playlists and rotation times.
Dr_Bungo
--
Your average dog is stupid.
He will remain loyal no matter how many times he is kicked in the teeth.
A cat will follow you round and pander to you for as long as you have something
she wants. Once you expend your usefulness she'll find another guy to rub
up against, until he too can offer her no more.
james wall
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:31:43 +1000, tr...@immedia.com.au (Phil Tripp)
wrote:
>I know. Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one.
I'd hesitate and take into account the new ones the more clueful
people in aus.music have been tearing you...
JANE COTTRILL
In article <tripp-08099...@dialup159-syd.healey.com.au>, tr...@immedia.com.au (Phil Tripp) says:
>
>Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
>
>
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ditto ditto ditto
David Gerard
On 12 Sep 96 12:59:58 +1000, claude (cma...@powerup.com.au) wrote:
:But that's Phillip for you, You know the type.You might see him walking around
:Newtown stuffing big fat kebabs into his stupid fat little body, not "caring a
:tinkers cuss about the struggling artist".He is your typical industry lackey,
:suck a few knobs and he's the big boy on the block.I have actually met the man
:(?) and have known a small few industry types who have dealt with him and the
:fact that *all* of them have found him to be obnoxious is quite telling.
Really? I used to read his stuff in RAM (spent his time skewering the
industry knobs ... fun) about 10 years ago. Dealt with him v. occasionally
when I was with the WA Rock Music Industry Association (back when I was
having nightmares that I'd end up working in the Music Industry).
Seemed OK. Opininonated and comes on very strong, but he's American so
what d'you expect ;-)
I don't expect to agree with Phil Tripp on everything but I'll take
notice of his opinions and not assume he's clueless until proven.
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David Melo
claude (cma...@powerup.com.au) wrote:
: >:Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
: >: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
: >: Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
: >: radio station you could change the airways.
: >Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
: >thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
: >know you could change the err-ways of yours. I have helped out providing
: >music quite frequently on local station 2nur fm, and I am involved in a
: >Newcastle record label which has released music in the US and Europe.
: Nice try David, but Phillip (call him Phillip, he hates his name, just watch:)
: doesn't really care about small labels and community radio, or anything that
: doesn't include BIG $$$$$$.I emailed him about exploits of mine (very
: similar to yours) and he simply laughed it off as a joke.I can only presume
: he thought I was a failure because I made it quite clear that money wasn't
: an issue for me, as much as promoting good independent Aus music.
Well, our label has decided not to bother locally precisely because of
the conservative nature of the Australian scene, and its act of
forgetting that somewhere in the music industry, the music must at some
point come into it.
We have no desire to work the usual channels, and have done quite well
out of not actively seeking great gain. The gripe with Trippy j is that
this is perhaps one body which could provide somethng useful. It
doesn't, so it's given a miss. Doesn't really affect us that much -
though it would be nice to actually make a purchase once in a while
triggered off by hearing something interesting on the radio.
Maybe the underground, via these new communications channels we have open
to us, can give the traditional smuggies the arse - I've managed to glean
an interesting amount of musical information and contacts in this way. I
can;t personally say to much about PT as I do not know much of him other
than from occasional postings. Maybe Mark (from my label) would be more
voracious in his criticism, what with his undying and all-pervasive
hatred of the oz-music mainstream!
Cheers,
David Melo
Newcastle Australia
claude
>:Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
>: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
>: Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with another
>: radio station you could change the airways.
>Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
>thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
>know you could change the err-ways of yours. I have helped out providing
>music quite frequently on local station 2nur fm, and I am involved in a
>Newcastle record label which has released music in the US and Europe.
Nice try David, but Phillip (call him Phillip, he hates his name, just watch:)
doesn't really care about small labels and community radio, or anything that
doesn't include BIG $$$$$$.I emailed him about exploits of mine (very
similar to yours) and he simply laughed it off as a joke.I can only presume
he thought I was a failure because I made it quite clear that money wasn't
an issue for me, as much as promoting good independent Aus music.
But that's Phillip for you, You know the type.You might see him walking around
Newtown stuffing big fat kebabs into his stupid fat little body, not "caring a
tinkers cuss about the struggling artist".He is your typical industry lackey,
suck a few knobs and he's the big boy on the block.I have actually met the man
(?) and have known a small few industry types who have dealt with him and the
fact that *all* of them have found him to be obnoxious is quite telling.
>Due to the feeble attentions given to musical variety (rather than
>homologous tripe) in Australia, ourselves and others have decided to give
>the whole Australian business a miss and conduct our business elsewhere.
>This is because of the dull and conservative nature of the Oz music mafia
>and its tired old institutions, its press, its performers the lot.
Too true.Go for it!I'm just starting to do similar stuff.
>The Oz music industry is at present almost totally useless to me - I
>glean basically nothing for it and as a result I am perfectly entitled to
>have a whine at it and its components. My whingeing is easily understood.
>Likewise, your smug behaviour reflects your place in this
>trite and testy industry - you are an incumbent an it is a perfectly
>reasonable thing that you should desire a continuation of status-quo.
Exactly.
>But, hey, at least you're not "inbred" are you? I thank you for the
>speculation as to my genetic composition, and also for the lovely
>paternalistic "lets see if we can get you off the streets sonny Jim"
>tone. It was a right revelation.
Well, I don't know if he's inbred, but he is American, does that count?
I'm American too, so I suppose I can't say too much about that, but the man
(?) certainly does display some of the worst traits of my old fellow
countrymen.Maybe he still thinks he's over there?They just love screwing
people around.
At the very least we can hope that Phillip "gotta go, time is money" Tripe
quickly finishes digging his own grave along with all that ARIA rubbish etc
etc.Aus music is just going to keep going down the tube till that rubbish
disappears.
>David Melo
Claude (or "Clod" as the great fat Tripe prefers to call me...mental giant
that he is).
Phil Tripp
In article <518crg$c...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David Melo) wrote:
> claude (cma...@powerup.com.au) wrote:
>
> : >:Phil Tripp (tr...@immedia.com.au) wrote:
> : >: Do you actually have to take something to get this way or is it inbred?
>
> : >: Maybe if you directed your energies to working as a volunteer with
another
> : >: radio station you could change the airways.
>
> : >Well if you directed your energies to perhaps indulging in a little
> : >thinking instead of offering personal advice to someone who you do not
> : >know you could change the err-ways of yours. I have helped out providing
> : >music quite frequently on local station 2nur fm, and I am involved in a
> : >Newcastle record label which has released music in the US and Europe.
>
> : Nice try David, but Phillip (call him Phillip, he hates his name, just
watch:)
> : doesn't really care about small labels and community radio, or anything that
> : doesn't include BIG $$$$$$.I emailed him about exploits of mine (very
> : similar to yours) and he simply laughed it off as a joke.I can only presume
> : he thought I was a failure because I made it quite clear that money wasn't
> : an issue for me, as much as promoting good independent Aus music.
>
> Well, our label has decided not to bother locally precisely because of
> the conservative nature of the Australian scene, and its act of
> forgetting that somewhere in the music industry, the music must at some
> point come into it.
> We have no desire to work the usual channels, and have done quite well
> out of not actively seeking great gain. The gripe with Trippy j is that
> this is perhaps one body which could provide somethng useful. It
> doesn't, so it's given a miss. Doesn't really affect us that much -
> though it would be nice to actually make a purchase once in a while
> triggered off by hearing something interesting on the radio.
>
> Maybe the underground, via these new communications channels we have open
> to us, can give the traditional smuggies the arse - I've managed to glean
> an interesting amount of musical information and contacts in this way. I
> can;t personally say to much about PT as I do not know much of him other
> than from occasional postings. Maybe Mark (from my label) would be more
> voracious in his criticism, what with his undying and all-pervasive
> hatred of the oz-music mainstream!
>
> Cheers,
> David Melo
> Newcastle Australia
David, you're right about the industry being too conservative for small
labels and often the best approach is to take what you've buiilt and try
to float it overseas. The difference between you and Claude is that at
least you listen and reason. Hatred is a wasted emotion and it gets
boring after a while. Calude seems to have lit the fuse on his own tampon
and I tire of his ranting, except it provides a humorous reminder of why
there always has to be someone on the bottom screaming to be let up.
The best things about this newsgroup and the Internet is that they do
provide a great communications tool as well as a delivery mechanism for
getting data and music out beyond the established yet clotted delivery
systems of the majors.
I'd be interested what you think of our website which contains the full
AustralAsian Music Industry Directory free of charge in all of its
detail. No doubt Claude thinks it's a capitalist plot to subliminally
garner $$$$$$$$ from the sleeping masses.
Yawn, Claude. really... yawn.
But hey David use our directory online to see if you can broaden your
horizons. And check out our links to overseas music media. etc.
Cheers
Phil Tripp
In article <DxLyI...@matilda.vut.edu.au>, ge...@cougar.vut.edu.au (David
Gerard) wrote:
> On 12 Sep 96 12:59:58 +1000, claude (cma...@powerup.com.au) wrote:
>
> :But that's Phillip for you, You know the type.You might see him walking
around
> :Newtown stuffing big fat kebabs into his stupid fat little body, not
"caring a
> :tinkers cuss about the struggling artist".He is your typical industry lackey,
> :suck a few knobs and he's the big boy on the block.I have actually met
the man
> :(?) and have known a small few industry types who have dealt with him and the
> :fact that *all* of them have found him to be obnoxious is quite telling.
>
> Really? I used to read his stuff in RAM (spent his time skewering the
> industry knobs ... fun) about 10 years ago. Dealt with him v. occasionally
> when I was with the WA Rock Music Industry Association (back when I was
> having nightmares that I'd end up working in the Music Industry).
> Seemed OK. Opininonated and comes on very strong, but he's American so
> what d'you expect ;-)
>
Gee David, RAM was a long time back but glad you enjoyed the poking fun at
the majors part. That hasn't changed despite what Clod here has assumed.
Thanks for the rational compliment though, my wounded ego from Clod's
hammering is somewhat salved. Yawn...
> I don't expect to agree with Phil Tripp on everything but I'll take
> notice of his opinions and not assume he's clueless until proven.
Hell David, even I don't agree with me on everything. Opinionated would
be a kind description of me. And the Yank breeding has something to do
with this though, hard as it may be to accept, I've been an Aussie citizen
for 12 years now. It has mellowed me somewhat. But I still don't suffer
fools gladly which is why Clod is such fair game.
Thanks again David.
PT
>
>
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james wall
On 12 Sep 1996 07:07:28 GMT, c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David
Melo) wrote:
>Maybe the underground, via these new communications channels we have open
>to us, can give the traditional smuggies the arse - I've managed to glean
>an interesting amount of musical information and contacts in this way. I
>can;t personally say to much about PT as I do not know much of him other
>than from occasional postings. Maybe Mark (from my label) would be more
>voracious in his criticism, what with his undying and all-pervasive
>hatred of the oz-music mainstream!
You don't bother locally ? JJJ _did_ play a Nasenbluten song on one
occasion that I know of, though that was a fair while ago, and the
Nosebleed stuff on 2NUR earned you a few fans.
Then again .. maybe that just proves that the only way to go is
through decent _local_ local radio?
>Cheers,
>David Melo
>Newcastle Australia
David Melo
james wall (alp...@hunterlink.net.au) wrote:
: On 12 Sep 1996 07:07:28 GMT, c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au (David
: Melo) wrote:
: You don't bother locally ? JJJ _did_ play a Nasenbluten song on one
: occasion that I know of, though that was a fair while ago, and the
: Nosebleed stuff on 2NUR earned you a few fans.
yep, they did play us a handful of times, and Richard Kingsmill even
aired a feature, but it took a lot of work to get stuff played - when an
announcer such as Richard Kingsmill is only ably to play a couple of
non-playlisted tracks on a show such as the Australian Music show, this
narrow window becomes the only outlet for not only us, but anyone else
trying to get something new played. We appreciated the airing, but in
light of the awful dance music tastes of the programmers have decided to
stay away. We are pretty tight-fisted with our promos and as such
not really keen to send them away whilst being unsure of a record
being aired a couple of times.
Triple j are also not quite even close to cutting edge w.r.t. dance
and electronic music. Honestly, the cheese which they assume is
representative of electronic music - I would assume most of it is too
teenybop for even teenyboppers! They are just catching on to the
existence of jungle, but only - and I stress this - if it has normal
instruments and/or voices in it. Otherwise it seems to just be too cold
or adventurous or something.
Nosebleed was fun, but ended when Mark decided not to accept the
change in timeslot the station offered the show - fair enough, really,
because Tuesday at 1 AM is less than practical for one without a car. His
closing correspondences to the station were a real hoot as always, though!
: Then again .. maybe that just proves that the only way to
go is : through decent _local_ local radio?
You'll always get the very best and most interesting music on local radio
(I really like 'Affected' on Saturday mornings at the moment) but it
shares time with programs such as "songs of the 30s" and ethnic
programming. Fair enough, I suppose, as these tastes must be catered for
as much as ours, but makes it difficult to engage in regular listening
when the styles are so disparate.
: a lpha66@h unterlink.n et.a u
: bury your head in the sand
: bury your face in your hands
: .N ewcastle, A ustralia.
David Melo
Newcastle Australia
The Lost Soul
In article <518crg$c...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
David Melo <c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>
>Well, our label has decided not to bother locally precisely because of
>the conservative nature of the Australian scene, and its act of
>forgetting that somewhere in the music industry, the music must at some
>point come into it.
>We have no desire to work the usual channels, and have done quite well
>out of not actively seeking great gain. The gripe with Trippy j is that
>this is perhaps one body which could provide somethng useful. It
>doesn't, so it's given a miss. Doesn't really affect us that much -
>though it would be nice to actually make a purchase once in a while
>triggered off by hearing something interesting on the radio.
This is really gonna fuck up the argument.. but I got into Nasenbluten
after hearing an "interview" + track played on JJJ.
At least I'mm 99% sure it was JJJ...
But it was after 10 at night when all the regular listeners have been
sent to be by Mummy and Daddy.. so perhaps it doesn't count.
BTW.. anybody who says "who's Nasenbluten?" can go get fucked.
Dr_B
David Melo
The Lost Soul (ma...@Physics.usyd.edu.au) wrote:
: In article <518crg$c...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
: David Melo <c930...@lily.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
: >
: This is really gonna fuck up the argument.. but I got into Nasenbluten
: after hearing an "interview" + track played on JJJ.
Yep, that certainly did happen - Richard Margettson did that for the
Richard Kingsmill show about 2 years ago. We would have preferred,
though, to not have been interviewed and have our music played more.
I suppose that in writing that it doesn't affect us much, the real
essence was that we haven't really felt much impact from it. We've done
OK, but most of this has tended to be overseas. I think that if the
overall standard of electronic music on triple j was more adventurous
we'd benefit from it - whether we got played or not.
With respects the interview, we were quite impressed by the latitude
which R Margettson allowed us with preparing sound bits to punctuate it.
We were really expecting something cringeworthy, but he did a really good
job with it, even if his musical tastes are different.
: But it was after 10 at night when all the regular listeners have been
: sent to be by Mummy and Daddy.. so perhaps it doesn't count.
It certainly counts. My bagging of triple j is not a personal bitterness
out of wanting personal success - I just would love to hear something
from Frankfurt Trax or the like every now and then. If we relied only on
Triple J, this music may as well not exist. I'm more concerned about the
musical genre as a whole than about our label. No, really!
btw, do you ever get to hear any hardcore techno other than what you
heard of ours? There is a good act in Sydney called Rage Reset -
different style, but I really like them.
David Melo
Newcastle Australia
The Lost Soul
In article <51afb3$5...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
Hmmm.. I guess not really. Really the only other "hardcore" I've come
across is that UltraSonic and their ilk.. which to be honest I feel
ashamed to mention in the same sentence as Nasenbluten or Syndicate.
I will try and pick up some other stuff, but my musical tastes run
pretty wide and I've found that liking one act in a particular "genre"
(if we must have labels) doesn't mean that I'll go the lot.
As I originally come from Gosford (God help me) I have a lot of friends
in both Sydney and Newcastle, and most people seem to believe that
the Hardcore scene is a lot healthier up North... partly attributed
to the fact there is a hell of a lot less pretence in Newcastle,
and partly coz other than get pissed on Hunter Street, there is nothing
to do except get stoned and fuck each other. ;)
Nasenbluten tends to hit the stereo when I'm in a particular vicious
mood.. or if I'm out with a friend of mine around Bankstown (Newcastle
Cunt-Core belting out of a 1982 Ford Laser really attracts strange looks
from the Italio-house fans in their sleek red subwoofers on wheels).
I have to admit I haven't contributed to your cause as much as I probably
should have, and this is partly due to an inherant distrust of cassettes.
Bloody Fist planning to put out anything else on vinyl or CD in the
forseeable future?
Robert Atkins
Michael Tunn (tun...@ozemail.com.au) wrote:
What with everyone happily flaming away, it seems to have slipped
everyone's mind to sit down and have a look at what he actually said... I
have no connections with either "the industry" or "the underground" so
I'm probably not qualified to enter into this, but what the hell.
: Yes I do have a playlist (and about 4 tracks an hour are by request) -
This is the biggest joke. So you can't blame the teenyboppers for
choosing all the crap music, two times out of three it's not their
choice!
: although I myself as the assistant music director do my own Playlists
: and sometimes some of the other shifts when Arnold (the MD) is busy. I
So in the main, it is you/Arnie choose that gets heard... so you guys,
not "the listners" are to blame (if indeed your opinion is that it is
something to be blamed for).
(Btw... no personal flame intended, but how do you get to be Assistant MD?
I would have thought you'd have to have a lot more experience...)
: can play what I like (in all practical ways) - But I program mainly for
: what I think the audience wants - and also in train with the music
: programming policy of Triple J and the ABC, even if occasionally I get
I think the problem is fairly succinctly evident here. Didn't JJJs bumper
stickers used to say "JJJ. Follow the leader"? You should not be
programming what you think they want to hear, because they don't know. You
are priveliged to work at a radio station and be exposed to the range and
quantity of music that you are. Most of the rest of us aren't that
priveliged.
People don't know what they want, because they probably haven't heard it
yet. They just say that they like what they do because they don't know
any better, and they don't know that there's anything more out there.
JJJ's job (IMHO) is to show people that there's more out there.
: self-indulgent, which would mean playing some weird shit,.
Do it. But make it interesting weird shit, we're all sick of novelty
songs...
: rotation - and they could be on Franks playlist - however he has 2
: choices an hour - so what you heard could of been on the playlist or
That also is pretty sad. IMHO the DJs should get more say in what they
play.
: something that it is impossible for the Radio Station to be. Triple J
: cant be that because we are funded by the Australian Taxpayer. We have
So are old-age pensions, comcars, various arts festivals, national parks,
universities, et cetera, ad nauseum. Lots of things that are important
but not used by all taxpayers are funded by them.
: to be a BROADcaster. We can't be a NARROWcaster (by the way there are
You don't have to be a narrowcaster. If you take lots of all the niches
and mix 'em in together, you'd please the nutters like us on aus.music,
and maybe even enlighten the rest without duplicating the commercials as
you do now.
: mentality of the Australian Population - a hard task to fulfil. In some
You don't have to be everything to everyone.
: quarters we don't do it that well. Lets take the people closest to me,
: like my Mum and Dad. I know they think Triple J is a load of crap (if I
You're not meant to be pleasing them. They've got Radio National and ABC
classic FM to listen to (which I would say many JJJ listeners wouldn't
use much at all).
: The LEFT say that TRIPLE J is too commercial - and do not provide any
: alternative to commercial radio. That we fail to provide diversity. And
: are in chase of ratings.
Yup, I agree with them.
: Triple J is the only voice of Australia's youth and provide the
: country with new music - and support new Australians bands who would not
: even have the slightest chance in hell of being played by Mass
: commercial radio.
It does try. But why (as someone else said) haven't we heard hide nor
hair of 80% of the Unearthed winners a couple of weeks after their wins?
[jjj had to have a larger audience or it'd get axed by either govt]
Yeah, it did. Now you've got it. I think getting JJJ into regional areas
is quite a noble goal (see my other post to that effect) and people in my
home town for example (Tamworth, shudder) under the age of about 30 would
have absolutely no interest in the commercial FM station now JJJ is
there.
: Charter - but we have to protect against those Baby-Boomers who wish
: Triple J dead. We have done this in the most proper way possible - that
: is to make them part of our audience. They hear young people from our
Hmm. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? I see the rationale, but there must
be another way. IMHO the ends don't justify the means.
: So occasionally you hear the Beatles or the Rolling Stones (they are
: part of our heritage anyway). You might also hear a Midnight Oil Track
: or AC/DC or even INXS Stones (they are also part of our heritage)..
I have no objection to the (very) occasional Beatle or Stone. But for
nationalistic reasons I'd prefer an old Oil...
: All you will be left with is a Right wing Austereo Network or the
: talkback power of John Laws and Allan Jones.
Or the net... but that's a few years off.
[baby boomers suck]
Agreed.
: everything the young want to say. Also you must stick up for Rage and
I personally think JJJ's programming style should be closer to Rage's. They
play a lot wider range of music, it seems...
: sector - they cant stand it - even if they did know about it (yes most
The only reason I don't listen to community radio is that it's not
consistent (by definition, I guess). There's some good stuff there, but
it's on between 2 am and 3 am Thursday mornings, follwed by the
Lithuanian model railroad hour :-P.
: Before you judge us - Consider the information I have outlined above
: and also consider the stuff that doesn’t attempt to please the masses -
: this is what we do - I list some of our LOW RATING SHOWS:
: This Sporting Life
: Live at the Wireless
: The Australian Music Show
: The Groove Train
: The World Music Show
: Three Hours of Power
: Mix-Up
: Creatures of the Spotlight
Hmm, I wonder what'd happen if you swapped the timeslots of the request
fest and the later shows. Better than that, why does JJJ need to have a
Drive program, for example? Why does JJJ have to have an "Idiots first
thing in the morning" breakfast program? Why not put (say...) Creatures
on Wednesday afternoons from 3-7 or whatever? Shatter some paradigms...
Cheers,
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Dave Garner
alp...@hunterlink.net.au (james wall) writes:
>On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:31:43 +1000, tr...@immedia.com.au (Phil Tripp)
>wrote:
>>I know. Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one.
>I'd hesitate and take into account the new ones the more clueful
>people in aus.music have been tearing you...
Shame on us! Phil is obviously old as God, an INSIDER, and much wiser
than we. It is obviously not our place to critisise a guy with his fingers
(and who knows what else) in the mainstream of music biz.
d. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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The Lost Soul
In article <51b4a6$g...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
Robert Atkins <c941...@lily.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>
>I personally think JJJ's programming style should be closer to Rage's. They
>play a lot wider range of music, it seems...
Cool.. the demise of another national resourse to lament.
Rage is occionally brilliant. It used to be consistently brilliant.
I fail to see why Tax-payers money should be funnelled in to
a 40minute special of Madonna film clips.
Okay.. to some extent this is my personal taste.. I think madonna has
slightly less musical worth than a simpson delta washing machine on
permanent press cycle. Other wonderous clips I've seen feature two
tanned (!?) pommy blondes doing probably the worst version of
Bizarre Love Triangle I have ever heard (this includes the version
scott and I did in half an hour on a synthesiser in his lounge room).
This obviously commercial stuff will appear readily on Video Hits as a
"Hit prediction" or something. Most of the people who would actually
appreciate this would be in bed by the time it gets played anyway.
Does rage really need the "Adult themes, coarse language, nudity and
sexual references" warning anymore?
Rage *does* play stuff you wont see on commercial TV. NIN Closer was
an extremely commercially sucessful song, but couldn't be played on
morning TV (Anybody who bought the Aus release of FDtS would have
received the accompanying video. This is by no means a brilliant
clip .. lots of "Lets shock the fundamentalist American Right"
imagery. The clip for "Hurt" was brilliant tho... but I'm raving. :) )
Rage also runs specials on local bands.. I have distinct recollections
of a brilliant Def FX special (distinct coz I got it on Video), and
some of the more way out stuff played by the guest programmers.
Rage used to be the sort of program you could watch one night and
get absolutely nothing out of, coz it simply wasn't your taste, and
then watch the following night and wish you'd videoed it for
prosperity.
Now, in general, it sucks. Okay, I think Noise Addict and Ash are
rediculously overrated, but at least they are doing something a
bit different (ie.. they don't sound like Pearl Jam).
After all this criticism, why not offer a solution?
How about defining one night (probably Saturday) as "Kool Kids Klub"
so all the 17yr olds who aren't able to go out and party can stay at
home with a bottle of Southern Comfort procured from their elder
brother's collection and watch the telly.
Give Friday night to those amoung us who are too buggered at the end
of the working week to do anything more strenuous than share a few
beers with our mates while enjoying underground and challenging music
on the ABC. By the time we crash it will be time to switch back
to G rating mode for the youngsters. (Shit.. I'm 22 and I'm refering
to teenagers as youngsters .. *shudder*)
>The only reason I don't listen to community radio is that it's not
>consistent (by definition, I guess). There's some good stuff there, but
>it's on between 2 am and 3 am Thursday mornings, follwed by the
>Lithuanian model railroad hour :-P.
Shit! What station is Lithuanian model railroad hour on? Can I get it in
Sydney?
>: this is what we do - I list some of our LOW RATING SHOWS:
>
>: This Sporting Life
>: Live at the Wireless
>: The Australian Music Show
>: The Groove Train
>: The World Music Show
>: Three Hours of Power
>: Mix-Up
>: Creatures of the Spotlight
>
Sad isn't it .. I've been following Roy and HG since they established
the Slaven/Nelson group of Companies on Channel 9's business today all
that time ago. Mix-up was often brillient. It must be hard to play to
an Audience you can't see, and Sydney has some fantastic DJs.
Live at the Wireless is often fantastic, tho often those shows
recorded at venues contain alot more raw energy than the in-studio
jobs .. probably a similar difficulty to the DJs. Three hours of power has
lost its prime support base by diversifying .. ask any metalhead at the
Century Tavern on a Friday night.
At least JJJ hasn't axed them and replaced then with "Another evening of
crappy british synth-pop" (If you must play synth-pop, for christ sakes
play the good stuff. The only song I've felt inspired by on JJJ recently
is the US mix of Republica's "Ready to go". Real overtones of Westworld
meets DefFX in a lolly shop. Well crafted pop.. right up there with
Severed-Heads' "Heart of the Party."
Later:
Robert Atkins
: Robert Atkins <c941...@lily.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
: >
: >I personally think JJJ's programming style should be closer to Rage's. They
: >play a lot wider range of music, it seems...
: Rage is occionally brilliant. It used to be consistently brilliant.
I must admit I was basing my comments on what Rage was like about three
years ago (I haven't had a VCR for that long, and I'm buggered if I'm
going to stay up all night watching it :).
: I fail to see why Tax-payers money should be funnelled in to
: a 40minute special of Madonna film clips.
Weelll... as long as it's not a 40 minute special of Madonna film clips
followed by a 40 minute special of Michael Jackson film clips followed by
a 40 minute special of Jimmy Barnes film clips I don't mind.
If it's mixed in with specials on other more obscure stuff then that's
ok.
: Okay.. to some extent this is my personal taste.. I think madonna has
: slightly less musical worth than a simpson delta washing machine on
: permanent press cycle. Other wonderous clips I've seen feature two
I would have given her slightly more worth. But not much.
: This obviously commercial stuff will appear readily on Video Hits as a
: "Hit prediction" or something. Most of the people who would actually
Six weeks after Rage plays it. Once. As long as they don't go overboard
on the crappy commercial pop that's ok.
: Rage also runs specials on local bands.. I have distinct recollections
: of a brilliant Def FX special (distinct coz I got it on Video), and
: some of the more way out stuff played by the guest programmers.
Yeah, the Guest programmer bits are great, just for the diversity.
: After all this criticism, why not offer a solution?
: How about defining one night (probably Saturday) as "Kool Kids Klub"
: so all the 17yr olds who aren't able to go out and party can stay at
: home with a bottle of Southern Comfort procured from their elder
: brother's collection and watch the telly.
Better idea: The 17 year olds can either grow some musical taste or fuck
right off and watch VSH. Don't give in to the evil corporate minions at
all, they can go to hell. That stuff is already overplayed. Don't even
give it the smallest foothold.
BTW, what happened to the "New Releases" Rage that used to be on Thursday
nights?
: to G rating mode for the youngsters. (Shit.. I'm 22 and I'm refering
: to teenagers as youngsters .. *shudder*)
When I was a boy... ;)
: >The only reason I don't listen to community radio is that it's not
: >consistent (by definition, I guess). There's some good stuff there, but
: >it's on between 2 am and 3 am Thursday mornings, follwed by the
: >Lithuanian model railroad hour :-P.
: Shit! What station is Lithuanian model railroad hour on? Can I get it in
: Sydney?
No offense to any Lithuanians out there, btw :).
: is the US mix of Republica's "Ready to go". Real overtones of Westworld
: meets DefFX in a lolly shop. Well crafted pop.. right up there with
: Severed-Heads' "Heart of the Party."
Well, it's not bad but I wouldn't go so far as a Def FX comparison :).
carolynne dunn
Robert Atkins wrote:
>
> What with everyone happily flaming away, it seems to have slipped
> everyone's mind to sit down and have a look at what he actually said... I
> have no connections with either "the industry" or "the underground" so
> I'm probably not qualified to enter into this, but what the hell.
That's about as good as saying you have to be able to play music before you
can criticise it. ;>
> Michael Tunn (tun...@ozemail.com.au) wrote:
> : Yes I do have a playlist (and about 4 tracks an hour are by request) -
>
> This is the biggest joke. So you can't blame the teenyboppers for
> choosing all the crap music, two times out of three it's not their
> choice!
<quibble mode on>
How can it be called a request-fest if about 75% of the music is not
requests?
> : can play what I like (in all practical ways) - But I program mainly for
> : what I think the audience wants [..]
If you're only playing a couple of requests an hour, you're not listening
to what the audience wants. If you're playing the same songs every night,
you're not giving them a lot to choose from.
Cal
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David Gerard
On 14 Sep 1996 00:39:21 GMT, The Lost Soul (ma...@Physics.usyd.edu.au) wrote:
:Okay.. to some extent this is my personal taste.. I think madonna has
:slightly less musical worth than a simpson delta washing machine on
:permanent press cycle. Other wonderous clips I've seen feature two
:tanned (!?) pommy blondes doing probably the worst version of
:Bizarre Love Triangle I have ever heard (this includes the version
:scott and I did in half an hour on a synthesiser in his lounge room).
Eh? Who is this by? (I have a fondness for bad covers of New Order songs.
Particularly 'Bizarre Love Triangle' - the Even As We Speak version [good],
Frente's version of Even As We Speak's version [woulda been a good idea
if it had been their idea] ...)
:Rage used to be the sort of program you could watch one night and
:get absolutely nothing out of, coz it simply wasn't your taste, and
:then watch the following night and wish you'd videoed it for
:prosperity.
You need two video recorders, the one taping the show having long-play.
Rage is good when there's a good guest programmer. Robert Forster's set
last week had some goshdarned magic stuff in it. (Died Pretty miming on
French television. Snicker!)
John Pfeffer
Speaking of Rage, Custard, the wonderful leisuremasters themselves are
guest programming on this coming saturday night, the 21st of September.
Yay!
from liesl.
David Gerard <ge...@cougar.vut.edu.au> wrote in article
<DxuvE...@matilda.vut.edu.au>...
: Rage is good when there's a good guest programmer. Robert Forster's set
:
Andrew Miller
> At least JJJ hasn't axed them and replaced then with "Another evening of
> crappy british synth-pop" (If you must play synth-pop, for christ sakes
> play the good stuff. The only song I've felt inspired by on JJJ recently
> is the US mix of Republica's "Ready to go". Real overtones of Westworld
> meets DefFX in a lolly shop. Well crafted pop.. right up there with
> Severed-Heads' "Heart of the Party."
Yes! Matt, I knew you had excellent taste :) I bought the single
the day I was woken up by that song... excellent stuff!!
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