XJ900S Handling problems
Xavier Tras
groups to see if I can get a 'quick' answer.
I have a new 2002 model Yamaha XJ900S Diversion. I've just goten back
into riding after an absence of nearly ten years - except for a dabble
with a trail bike - so I thought my problem was just me getting used to
a road bike again.
I go some weekends with friends up through Mt. Nebo and Mt. Glorious -
for those not familiar with Queensland (Australia), these are twisty
mountain roads just outside of Brisbane. Most weekends you'll see all
the 'Blade and R1 pilots out there pretending (some rather
spectacularly!) to be F1 riders. It's a good run as you can take it
hard or soft depending on your skill and/or daring levels.
I've been through Nebo/Glorious with friends who ride a mixture of
Ducati's, GXR's, 'Blades, R1's, VF's etc. etc. None of these guys are
idiots, most are 'mature' riders who just enjoy the ride and
companionship.
My problem is as follows:
When I go through this 'course' the XJ develops what can only be called
a 'wobble' or a 'shimmy' in the rear. As I said above, I though it was
just me, so I let one of the other guys have a ride and he reported the
same thing... It's a bit disconcerting to be banked over and feel the
rear moving around. It's not the tyre breaking away - I'm not leaning
over far enough for that problem! - it just appears the wheel is
somehow moving around. Boy, this is really hard to explain!
I have checked the air pressure, I've upped the pre-load in the front
forks (as they are way too soft) etc. When I took it into Yamaha they
asked me if I was using it for its intended purpose(!). I retorted that
I would expect a modern bike to go around corners... They could easily
tell I am not a boy racer - 44 years old and, er, weight challenged -
plus the (standard Metzler) tyres certainly haven't been scrubbed to
the edges! The suggestion from the Yamaha mechanic was to increase the
tyre pressures and drop the preload on the rear shock. I tried those
suggestions but haven't yet gone back to Nebo/Glorious. On some bendy
bits near my home it appears to be very marginly better, so I'm not
sure.
Any suggestions? Any other XJ900 riders have the same problem?
Let me re-state one thing: I'm NOT a boy racer. I've ridden a 'Blade
and R1 and sure know how well they handle because they are dedicated
scratchers toys - it's just that I'd expect a bit better from the
sports/tourer XJ900.
The Older Gentleman
> Any suggestions? Any other XJ900 riders have the same problem?
Hm. Well, my Divvie isn't the world's greatest handler, but that's not
why I bought it.
Hard to say without knowing what the roads are like and how fast you're
attacking them. It's possible to get the Divvie wobbling and pitching at
90-100mph on some bends.
Buy a Ducati (see sig!) and/or slow down.
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Wim Peeters
First of all, sorry for my english, my native language is Dutch.
I think your problem is the standard Yamaha spring in the front fork.
In the fork, Yamaha put a spring that don't have the complete lenght of the
fork.
To compensate the rest, they put a tube in place.
When you drive with that spring over small roughness, it feel's like your
wheel slide for a short thime.
In Belgium, a lot off Diversion driver change the standard Yamaha spring
into a White Power spring.
It's easy to change and not so pricey (120?) and feel's a lot better.
I hope you can do something with this.
so long
Wim Peeters
Juz
the tyres almost to the edges with confidence- technique wise, make sure you
are locked onto the bike without tensing on the bars - I had BT020 front and
rear.
Also, I wasnt hard on the throttle out of corners really, preferring the
high corner speed/relaxed straights approach.
Still, yours doesnt sound right.
They're a great bike! You made a good choice.
I can highly recommend the factory panniers - solid as anything, easy to use
and cavernous (the 46 litre ones).
I still regret selling mine sometimes.
For help, try the msn community XJ900 Diversion club
http://groups.msn.com/YamahaDiversionClub/home.htm
Join and you can post questions, read past discussions etc.
Good luck,
Justin
Juz
it, was replace the front springs with a heavier set - the dive under
braking was undesirable. Perhaps it is actually the front end causing the
problem.
Cheers, Justin
jfmcrr
<Xaviertra...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>Forgive the cross posting folks - I'm sending this to various list
>groups to see if I can get a 'quick' answer.
>
>I have a new 2002 model Yamaha XJ900S Diversion.
Float the rear wheel in midair ala with a center stand (NOT a
swingarm stand) and Grab the rear tire and brace yourself against the
frame. Give it a tug and look for play in the rear wheel vs the
frame. Could be in the swingarm pivot or in the rear axle or in the
suspension link. This is not a common problem, and not unheard of
either . But you won't find it unless you look for it. Just one more
thing to eliminate.. .
e
>Let me re-state one thing: I'm NOT a boy racer. I've ridden a 'Blade
>and R1 and sure know how well they handle because they are dedicated
>scratchers toys - it's just that I'd expect a bit better from the
>sports/tourer XJ900.
wrong bike for the road. it has a hinged frame and swings in
the breeze. you need a real sportbike for that road.
don't waste money trying to mod your bike.
The Older Gentleman
> Give it a tug and look for play in the rear wheel vs the
>frame. Could be in the swingarm pivot or in the rear axle or >in the
suspension link.
Wear in a suspension link won't show up in play in the rear wheel, you
berk.
The Older Gentleman
Harsh but fair. Stiffening up the forks and replacing the rear shock is
the best you can hope for.
sharkey
> Forgive the cross posting folks - I'm sending this to various list
> groups to see if I can get a 'quick' answer.
I hope you read aus.moto then ... I can't be bothered with the
wankers in the other ones (I'll stick with the wankers I know!)
> When I go through this 'course' the XJ develops what can only be called
> a 'wobble' or a 'shimmy' in the rear.
First things first: have you checked all the rear wheel bearings,
including the shaft drive bearings and the swingarm bearings?
Check the front ones too, just in case ... 0.5mm of movement
at either end is plenty enough to feel ...
-----sharks
Clem Doherty
~
> (snip) When I took it into Yamaha they
> asked me if I was using it for its intended purpose(!). I retorted that
~
Smart arsed bastards! (Was it Star?)
AMCN and Two Wheels have tested the Diversion quite extensively and
never reported any shimmying [and I'm sure they wrung it's neck!] so
I'm sure Yamaha didn't design your bike to not corner over 100kph!
I'd probably string-line it first to make sure it's straight and give
things a shake to make sure there's nothing loose.
I'd also get someone who's used to that kind of bike to give it a run
(your mates might be comparing it to their R1s) but it sounds like a
wrong-profile back tyre to me [or flat, but you say the pressure's
OK.]
Wim's suggestion about the fork-springs sounds good (although a little
extreme).
Whereabouts in Brissie are you? I'm at Carseldine and I know a fair
bit about the XJ900N but I've never ridden a Divvy.
Good luck ....... Clem
Biggus the Great
Had the wheels rebalanced?? checked wheel bearings, steering head
bearings arent a little loose?
The front wheel isnt actually bent is it? prop up bike spin front
wheel while holding screwdriver on fork leg pointing at rim, and see
if it is straight.....
John Sloan
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FWIW, have a really good look at the front tire condition and
pressure, the steering head bearings and the front wheel bearings.
Very often, a problem at one end of the bike (such as a back-end
wallowing) is caused by a problem at the other end of the bike.
JS
Garou
"Xavier Tras" <Xaviertra...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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e
>> >Let me re-state one thing: I'm NOT a boy racer. I've ridden a 'Blade
>> >and R1 and sure know how well they handle because they are dedicated
>> >scratchers toys - it's just that I'd expect a bit better from the
>> >sports/tourer XJ900.
>> wrong bike for the road. it has a hinged frame and swings in
>> the breeze. you need a real sportbike for that road.
>> don't waste money trying to mod your bike.
>
>Harsh but fair. Stiffening up the forks and replacing the rear shock is
>the best you can hope for.
>
>
for the twisties and leaning, i have a hotrod sr 500 with
dual discs in the front and triumph bonnie shocks in the
rear. with sticky tires i can knock off the exhaust and
footpegs if i'm too crazy. i ride the main road through
death valley at 90 per constantly. and it's a snake.
Alan Pennykid
<Xaviertra...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
What speed? high speed corners or low-mid speed(legal)
BMW K100s can suffer from this too on high speed corners, in their
case it was the back shock had insufficient damping, put a decent rear
shock on and no more wobble. BTW the weave/wobble never developed
into anything dangerous, but it didnt make you feel confident.
Al
Aaron @ Work
rear of the bike?
Aaron
ZX6R
Bored dodging work before hols...
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atec77(antispam)
The Older Gentleman
> not intentionally harsh. it's a fine tourer.
That it certainly is. I didn't think the US got the XJ900S - this isn't
the XJ900F Seca from the 1980s, remember. Although it is in a very
similar mould.
> for the twisties and leaning, i have a hotrod sr 500 with
> dual discs in the front and triumph bonnie shocks in the
> rear
Nice. I've got my Duke for that sort of stuff.
Xavier Tras
Have you ever ridden one?
In article <2O5M9.102416$%A6.10...@news.easynews.com>,
George Mosel
km's are on those tyres? Have a REALLY good look at the profile of the front
tyre and check if there is a noticeable "corner" from the centre to either
side. About 20-30mm from the centre. Easy to feel if you know you are
looking for it. The standard tyre is a 120/70 but this size does not use the
full width of the tread resulting in a step as mentioned before. When
cornering, the tyre rides on this step in the tread and this manifests
itself as a vagueness in the front end and in certain circumstances, (more
spirited cornering) can feel like a wobble in the rear. My '94 XJ900S had a
Pirelli front and Metzler rear. I knew they were getting to the replacment
stage. The good folk at Tyres for Bikes in Brisbane pointed out this step in
the tread to me and advised me to replace the front with a 110/80 tyre. This
is slightly narrower and slightly taller than the original fit. I went for
Bridgestones Battlax BT45's front and rear with the, as advised, 110/80 on
the front. This drastically improved the handling with no more front or rear
shimmy.
I agree with the other comments on front suspension springs. It's on my
books for the next improvement but it doesn't affect the handling for my
style of riding.
Go see Tyres for Bikes up in Albion.
Geo.
XJ900Diversion.
"Clem Doherty" <cmdo...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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e
>
>> not intentionally harsh. it's a fine tourer.
>
>That it certainly is. I didn't think the US got the XJ900S - this isn't
>the XJ900F Seca from the 1980s, remember. Although it is in a very
>similar mould.
>
>> for the twisties and leaning, i have a hotrod sr 500 with
>> dual discs in the front and triumph bonnie shocks in the
>> rear
>
>Nice. I've got my Duke for that sort of stuff.
>
http://thumperpage.com/
e
>Hmm. You'll forgive me if I don't follow that little piece of advice?
>
>Have you ever ridden one?
>
>
don't get your panties in a knot, they are great at touring.
The Older Gentleman
Heh, what a good site. Bookmarked, so thanks for that
Funnily enough, I've been ruminating about buying an SR500 myself
recently. They're fairly scarce in britain, but they sold *zillions* of
them on the Continent, and it remained on sale right up to the late
1990s in France and Germany, believe it or not.
One of these days I might pop over the Channel and try and rootle one
out.
Xavier Tras
<alan.p...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> What speed? high speed corners or low-mid speed(legal)
Legal-type speeds. I'm not a boy racer.
> BMW K100s can suffer from this too on high speed corners, in their
> case it was the back shock had insufficient damping, put a decent rear
> shock on and no more wobble. BTW the weave/wobble never developed
> into anything dangerous, but it didnt make you feel confident.
" didn't make you feel confident" is exactly the feeling I get. It's
only a mild problem but it saps your confidence.
e
>
>Funnily enough, I've been ruminating about buying an SR500 myself
>recently. They're fairly scarce in britain, but they sold *zillions* of
>them on the Continent, and it remained on sale right up to the late
>1990s in France and Germany, believe it or not.
>
>One of these days I might pop over the Channel and try and rootle one
>out.
>
can sell you a beaut. i have a custom with painted fenders
and headlight, triumph style signals, grab bar, custom low
seat and a velocette stye pinstriping scheme. it's purty and
runs like a dream.
Xavier Tras
<tarn...@verizon.net> wrote:
Nah, my panties are quite comfortable, but thanks for asking. ;-)
Just wanted to know if you had actually ridden an XJ900 is all.
Xavier Tras
In article <3e00c66c$0$90227$ba62...@news.skynet.be>, Wim Peeters
e
hadn't.
Boxer
John Olive
"The Older Gentleman" wrote
> Funnily enough, I've been ruminating about buying an SR500 myself
> One of these days I might pop over the Channel and try and rootle one
> out.
e
>
>> Funnily enough, I've been ruminating about buying an SR500 myself
>
>> One of these days I might pop over the Channel and try and rootle one
>> out.
>
>
and even panthers.
Rod de Martin
"George Mosel" <georg...@NOSPAMbigpond.com> wrote in message
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(SNIP)
I went for
> Bridgestones Battlax BT45's front and rear with the, as advised, 110/80 on
> the front. This drastically improved the handling with no more front or
rear
> shimmy.
Fitting a BT45 on the front did wonders for the handling of my bike as well.
It is just about the only non-touring biased tyre you can buy at that size.
Rod
97 GSX750F
The Older Gentleman
Xavier Tras
The bike is new and only has 1400klms on it, so wear patterns aren't
yet apparent.
The good news is the Yamaha dealership has finally agreed for me to
bring the Diversion in early next week and have each and every member
of their Service Department take it for a ride. Hopefully they will be
able to find the problem - or do a group denial (!)
In article <O_gM9.6362$jM5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>, George Mosel
Xavier Tras
may have been causing the problems.
They weren't...
In article <E6tM9.1294588$6N5.1...@post-03.news.easynews.com>,
Knobdoodle
"e" <tarn...@verizon.net> wrote;
>> ><tarn...@verizon.net> wrote:
~
> >Just wanted to know if you had actually ridden an XJ900 is all.
> just jerkin ya a little. but i wouldn't say i had if i
> hadn't.
So that's a big "no" for the riding and a big "yes" for the jerkin'; is it?
Clem
(pretty common that!)
e
>
>Bastard.
>
>Erm, how much for the bike? Just asking, y'understand.
>
dunno about my sis, though. (g)
$1500. it has 10 k miles and fresh tires.
i could email you some pics, drop me and emaol address at
t1...@NOSPAMhotmail.com. did i mention the new foot rubbers?
e
>No offence taken. BTW: I've since changed my panties - I thought they
>may have been causing the problems.
>
>They weren't...
>
twisties and a damn thong rides u yer crack...
e
ridden and yanked.
Xavier Tras
Less information... PLEASE!
In article <u9JM9.490362$nQ6....@news.easynews.com>,
e
George Mosel
"Xavier Tras" <Xaviertra...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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John Littler
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Your use of apostrophe and semi colon have given you away as a member of the
ruling class Clem ! You're going to have to get rid of that flanny and buy a
BMW now :-)
JL
(I knew Australia was upwardly mobile but this is ridiculous !)
The Older Gentleman
> I knew Australia was upwardly mobile
Only because there was no way it could sink any lower ;-))
John Littler
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> John Littler <johnl...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> > I knew Australia was upwardly mobile
>
> Only because there was no way it could sink any lower ;-))
Ahh well it beats being atrophied into an archaic class system :-)
JL
atec77(antispam)
atec77(antispam)
The Older Gentleman
> this from a wanna be colonial pom , ppffftttt.
>
Good old-fashioned imperialist, that's me.
atec77(antispam)
The Older Gentleman
> admit it , emigration refused you :P
>
They had to - I didn't have a criminal record.
atec77(antispam)
not allowed, you need to a member of a minority or a bleeding heart..
The Older Gentleman
> had to ?. how weak... don't you know anything about AU now ?. if your a
> pom your not allowed, you need to a member of a minority or a bleeding
> heart..
>
I run a Ducati and two Apple Macs - how much more of a persecuted
minority does one have to be?
atec77(antispam)
I up you three BMW a Bultaco and an RZ500.
The Older Gentleman
> A mac ?. HaHaHaHa. nothing wrong with a Duck..
> I up you three BMW a Bultaco and an RZ500.
I see your BMW and raise you my Z400 twin.
atec77(antispam)
old xt250..
e
>>
>I run a Ducati and two Apple Macs - how much more of a persecuted
>minority does one have to be?
>
e
i raise a honda 305 chopper from 66.
The Older Gentleman
<G>
Now below follows the text of an email I've just received from one of
the truly tragic, anal, ignorant, sad little fucks that seem to infest
usenet.
"why dont you try areonautical intercourse with a circular pastry in
motion, and since you seem to a bloody limey(wasnt meant as anythingnear
a compliment you limp wristed fop)heres a translation"Take a flying _ _
_ _ at a rolling donut. This is for yamaha's not dispareging remarks
at people. So in your own word "BUGGER OFF" faggot.
My, my, aren't they clever little mammals on alt.motorcycles.yamaha. I
mean, they can almost tie their own shoelaces.
Posted by one WTu94...@aol.com.
atec77(antispam)
e
>
>My, my, aren't they clever little mammals on alt.motorcycles.yamaha. I
>mean, they can almost tie their own shoelaces.
>
>Posted by one WTu94...@aol.com.
>
cockroaches out of the pigshit they inhabit. ignore them and
have a great holiday.
i'm going riding christmas day.
e
>pressed steel frame . you still own one ?.
>
>e wrote:
>>
>> >
it's a scrambler frame, cl77. the ca77 was pressed, the
dream.
the cb's and cl's had tubers.
The Older Gentleman
> >
> >My, my, aren't they clever little mammals on alt.motorcycles.yamaha. I
> >mean, they can almost tie their own shoelaces.
> >
> >Posted by one WTu94...@aol.com.
> >
> something about the holidays brings the pathetic little
> cockroaches out of the pigshit they inhabit.
True. I can't even figure out what the "disparaging remarks" are
supposed to be. I can only assume that while almost all Aussies, most
Brits, and many Yanks, have a sense of humour, to post on
alt.motorcycles.yamaha you must first prove that it's been surgically
removed.
>ignore them and
> have a great holiday.
I will, now I've shown the pathetic little twat up for what he is.
> i'm going riding christmas day.
e
>
>True. I can't even figure out what the "disparaging remarks" are
>supposed to be. I can only assume that while almost all Aussies, most
>Brits, and many Yanks, have a sense of humour, to post on
>alt.motorcycles.yamaha you must first prove that it's been surgically
>removed.
>
>>ignore them and
>> have a great holiday.
>
>I will, now I've shown the pathetic little twat up for what he is.
>
>> i'm going riding christmas day.
>
>
everywhere, trying to ruin our fun. but playing with them is
fun...
do you want sr pictures?
Boxer
Some of the nicest people ride Yamaha's so I am told.
John Olive
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Clem Doherty
> True. I can't even figure out what the "disparaging remarks" are
> supposed to be. I can only assume that while almost all Aussies, most
> Brits, and many Yanks, have a sense of humour, to post on
> alt.motorcycles.yamaha you must first prove that it's been surgically
> removed.
It's one of those things that shows just how far removed from
each-other we still are!
It appears that the average Yank thinks that calling a Pom a "Limey"
(a 200+ year-old reference to their navy) is a witty topical insult!
(Same as those continual "Poms have rotten teeth" jokes they make on
TV. I've met plenty of Poms and I haven't met one with rotten teeth
yet!)
Mind you; Poms still think it's clever to call Australians "convicts"
so I s'pose it goes around.....
Clem
[In Australia, being able to trace your roots back to a convict ship
is almost royalty! People will even very proudly recite the crime
their ancestor was transported for!]
e
>It's one of those things that shows just how far removed from
>each-other we still are!
>It appears that the average Yank thinks that calling a Pom a "Limey"
>(a 200+ year-old reference to their navy) is a witty topical insult!
>(Same as those continual "Poms have rotten teeth" jokes they make on
>TV. I've met plenty of Poms and I haven't met one with rotten teeth
>yet!)
>Mind you; Poms still think it's clever to call Australians "convicts"
>so I s'pose it goes around.....
>Clem
>[In Australia, being able to trace your roots back to a convict ship
>is almost royalty! People will even very proudly recite the crime
>their ancestor was transported for!]
still hide their ancestry and treat the abos like shit?
still plenty around.
i call the brits, brits and the aussies wierd.
(g)
Knobdoodle
"e" <maxj...@verizon.net> wrote
~
> not what the fatal shore says...what about the wogs that
> still hide their ancestry and treat the abos like shit?
> still plenty around.
I haven't read The Fatal Shore (and I think the author is an ex-pat who's
lived in the USA for 20 years) but there's still racism in Australia (is
there a country with people of different ethnic origins and which has no
racism?)
I dunno about hiding origins but I s'pose it happens a fair bit too (there
were an awful lot of Dutch, Austrians and Chinese 50years ago but not many
Germans or Japanese.. I guess the same thing is happening now with Iraqis
pretending to be Kuwaitis or somesuch....
~
> i call the brits, brits and the aussies wierd.
We don't go much for "British" or Brits inside the Commonwealth; lumping
Scots, Irish, Welsh and English together as one "people" is like saying that
the Israelis, Iranians, Ugandans, Algerians and South Africans are all one
people "Africans".
(Or like pretend Tasmanians are Australians!)
Mebbe I'm wierd......
Clem
Boxer
Knobdoodle
atec77(antispam)
I would have to suggest you not going to stop me and now Ill make every
endeavour to do so ..
atec77(antispam)
The Older Gentleman
> chateau...@btinternet.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote;
> > True. I can't even figure out what the "disparaging remarks" are
> > supposed to be. I can only assume that while almost all Aussies, most
> > Brits, and many Yanks, have a sense of humour, to post on
> > alt.motorcycles.yamaha you must first prove that it's been surgically
> > removed.
> ~
> It's one of those things that shows just how far removed from
> each-other we still are!
I think what it is, actually, is that Americans (and I know I'm
generalising here) find it very hard to determine that "piss-taking" (as
prcticed constantly by Brits, and to great effect by Aussies) is not
malicious and is entirely good-humoured.
The gentle interchange of mock-serious insults as a means of affection
seems to be something rather alien to them.
This is one reason why Brits tend not to use emoticons so much - it's
usually possible to infer, just from the "feel" of a posting whether
someone is actually insulting you, or merely "taking the piss".
The Older Gentleman
> do you want sr pictures?
No thanks. It would only make me envious. But you *have* rekindled the
desire to own a decen big single.
knobdoodle
"The Older Gentleman" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote;
~
> This is one reason why Brits tend not to use emoticons so much - it's
> usually possible to infer, just from the "feel" of a posting whether
> someone is actually insulting you, or merely "taking the piss".
You don't?! Ohh (and I never thought I'd say this) I wanna' become a Pom!
[sorry, "Brit" just doesn't roll of the tongue.... Does anyone else apart
from the English (and p'raps the Welsh) call themselves "British"?].
I haven't needed to draw pictures to help write a story since about grade
three!
Clem
Daron
Never heard a Scotman say he was "British" either
--
Daron
Ryde District Motorcycle Club
Kawasaki ZXR900RR
Suzuki T-20 X6 Hustler
Suzuki GS500E
"knobdoodle" <knobd...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>> do you want sr pictures?
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>No thanks. It would only make me envious. But you *have* rekindled the
>desire to own a decen big single.
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>I think what it is, actually, is that Americans (and I know I'm
>generalising here) find it very hard to determine that "piss-taking" (as
>prcticed constantly by Brits, and to great effect by Aussies) is not
>malicious and is entirely good-humoured.
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>The gentle interchange of mock-serious insults as a means of affection
>seems to be something rather alien to them.
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>This is one reason why Brits tend not to use emoticons so much - it's
>usually possible to infer, just from the "feel" of a posting whether
>someone is actually insulting you, or merely "taking the piss".
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makes them look weak. a few of use don't.
paulh
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>"The Older Gentleman" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote;
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>> This is one reason why Brits tend not to use emoticons so much - it's
>> usually possible to infer, just from the "feel" of a posting whether
>> someone is actually insulting you, or merely "taking the piss".
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>You don't?!
Well you've never seen me use one have you?
> Ohh (and I never thought I'd say this) I wanna' become a Pom!
>[sorry, "Brit" just doesn't roll of the tongue.... Does anyone else apart
>from the English (and p'raps the Welsh) call themselves "British"?].
Not sure.. I'll enquire...
Britain is the nation and of course the Welsh and Scottish complain if you DON'T
include them, all-encompassing, in references to such. I'll be seeing a Welsh
boy in 45mins so I'll ask him then...
paulh
Xavier Tras
they had changed the front fork oil to a higher viscosity. Plus, I
discovered they also wound the preload up to the highest setting(!) on
the front forks. According to the Service Manager, that's as much as
Yamaha will do under warranty - except if I want to change the springs
at my own cost - because the bike, like most modern Jap bikes, ships
with soft front suspension. My retort was there must have been a
problem for them to have changed the front fork oil. They said the rear
end was still a bit harsh, but I noticed they didn't wind the preload
down, so at least I have one more minor adjustment I can make if
required.
Does it work? Well... I took it up Mt. Nebo and Mt. Glorious on the
weekend and it was far more manageable - to the extent that I was able
to make a decent fist of keeping up with my mates on the FireBlade and
VTR-SP1. It also helps that having the bike a bit more stable I was
able to concentrate and see that I was often in a higher gear than
required for many of the corners. This was probably compensating for my
nervousness with the back end.
The guys FireBlade and VTR-SP1 are not too fast, and more importantly
know their limits - unlike the guy who crashed his R1(?) and absolutely
destroyed it. We came across the blackened blob, with flames and smoke
billowing out of it, lying in the middle of the road. The rider was
lying on the side of the road with some of his mates looking after him.
Thatšs the second serious crash wešve come across in the last two
weeks!
Anyway, I digress! We donšt ride anywhere near as fast as some of these
crazy pilots. Išm just happy to have the XJ handling better and able to
do some sports riding without feeling like the back end is up to
tricks. As it is, when the standard tyre wears a bit further Išll
probably replace it with a more sportier (sticky!) tyre, as I will not
be doing any real touring in the foreseeable future.
At least until I can afford a set of pannniers... but thatšs another
story!
Juz
pressure and type.
Mine was transformed when an obviously worn tyre was replaced - I was very
happy with Bridgestone 020's.
Cheers, Justin
gary ralph
just a bit
"Juz" <jst...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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redli...@gmail.com
Now I had a few incidents on this bike, I too was advised and had the forks looked at because something always felt a little odd in the handling department, got heavier oil and adjustments made, I wasn't exactly a gentle rider which I think this bike calls for but I never had issues like this before and whilst I could be a bit of a devil at times I always had good confidence in my ability to tell whats going on and so fourth, the first incident was losing the front on a gentle right hander, while looking about joining another lane the van in front of me stopped suddenly, I had time but new I needed to pull up fairly quickly, not asking to much of the bike I gave a firm but to violent pull of the brakes, now the braked while being powerful enough and up to the job were not exactly sharp, but the front just let go and the bike slammed down hard, the tires were the original equipped dunlops, I put this down to my fault... Must have been I thought, but I upgraded anyway to some nice sport touring metzellers,
The second occasion was the most bizarre, one morning trundling along at a very sedate pace just went one side of a speed bump through a gentle turn, roads were fine there had been a little drizzle but nothing major the back end just went totally loose on me and the whole bike spun round dumping on the opposite side of the road facing the other way, this scared the hell out of me and to this day I can't understand what the hell happened, but it seemed to be a one off and I put it down to one of those things, as you can imagine I was making sure the bike was in good order, correct pressures, shock ok and so on.
The final incident, some time had past since my last bizarre occurrence and I found myself on a sunny day having a little tear with another bike, I knew the corner well as me and this other guy turned into it, having a beautiful line and starting to pick up the bike I turned up the wick a bit and the back broke violently loose resulting in huge high-side (I did not think this possible on such a bike) the bike headbutting the kerb and me thrown like a rag doll, how my bike of me didn't hit anything else I don't know...
I decided that although in each instance I could maybe have been a little more gentle (apart from bizarre incident number 2) that something was definitely not right with the bike and it needed to go before another incident should arise, I got rid and got a Honda of another type and I could not be happier with it and have had it since 2004 and is still in use nearly 10 years later and has never even come close to my experiences on the old divvie, the Honda is getting old and has piled on the miles and I sometimes wonder about something else and occasionally notice nice divvies for a bargain but then I remember and say to myself, Leave it
redli...@gmail.com
> I know this topic is old now lol but I just came across it, I had a 2002 model from new and as much as I loved it I got rid of it 2 years later due to the handling, now I really did LOVE this bike and it was also the first New machine purchase I ever made, I admit that I probably was not mature enough for a bike of this kind but I was at the time doing a lot of long distance and a few trips around Europe and so on, my previous bike of 550cc was just not up to the job and I wanted to go big but without breaking the bank too much, was about the only big bike in it's price range and the silver colour model was just pretty tasty so I was sold.
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