Riding a 250cc on the freeway?
Morphet
trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
anybody have any opinons on the subject?
Tony Morris
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agreed.
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Manning
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> > anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
>
> "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
> agreed.
>
I *almost* agree with you Tony - except that with any 250 performance
depends a lot on your body weight.
My wife started on a CB-250, and while I couldn't get it over 105kms, she
routinely got it up to 130+. (For reference I weight 85kgs, she weighs 50
kgs).
Manning
Intact Kneeslider
>
> "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
>>I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day.
>>The trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>>
>>I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think
>>that this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for
>>long periods, however the same people have a vested interest
>>to sell me something bigger, so I don't know if I can trust
>>their opinion.
>>
>>Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway,
>>or does anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
> "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
> agreed.
Horseshit.
t6p
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
I don't know how relevant this is, but I ride a ZZR250, and it seems to
handle the freeway quite fine, I have done quite a few 100km trips, and I
have managed to get her up to 150km/h, being new to this, I really don't
wanna try any higher... :p
Tina
Zebee Johnstone
There are better 250s for that, ain't no doubt.
On the other hand, that bike will certainly manage 100 for 40km (as
long as you are a reasonbly sized bloke) without drama.
What it won't managed is much more than that, or much in the way of
passing manouveres.
All depends on your temprement and money requirements I suppose. I rode
a 250 MZ all over eastern Oz, a machine with a top speed of maybe 120kmh on
the flat in a dead calm with plenty of runup, but usually it was OK at
100 and struggling at 110. Yes being able to go faster was nice,
especially when stuck behind a truck in the wet at 90/100, but it wasn't
required.
If you are someone who can cope with not being the fastest out there,
who won't feel trapped and scared if you can't pass other vehicles, and
you want a bike with excellent fuel economy and very reliable, then a
CB250 will be fine.
If you prefer to be able to pass everyone, like to carve traffic, can't
stand not being first, you will find the CB250 too slow.
You may want to enquire at any bike hire places, some of the have that
model in the fleet, you could test it yourself. If not, then do your
damndest to get a test ride and determine for yourself how it feels to
ride at the speeds you expect.
Zebee
--
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aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1.
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Tony Morris
1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate to high engine speed at 100 kph
2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine speed at 100 kph
(suspect it is geared high)
2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in 5th
gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the past.
Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
opinion.
--
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(BInfTech, Cert 3 I.T., SCJP[1.4], SCJD)
Software Engineer
IBM Australia - Tivoli Security Software
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Tony Morris
1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate to high engine speed at 100 kph
2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine speed at 100 kph
(suspect it is geared high)
2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in 5th
gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the past.
Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
opinion.
--
Tony Morris
(BInfTech, Cert 3 I.T., SCJP[1.4], SCJD)
Software Engineer
IBM Australia - Tivoli Security Software
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Jorgen
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
Dunno about the CB250, but if you were to go the VTR250 (very nice looking
thing) or CBR250RR (which is what I've got) I think you'll find yourself
having more of a power reserve. Mine is good for 190 on the island. This is
indicated, real spead probably 170 or so - haven't had the chance to
calibrate with GPS at that speed.
I'm just shy of 1.90m tall & some 90-95kg with all my gear on. I think it
helps being flexible for longer trips, however 40Ks should not be a problem
at all.
j
Intact Kneeslider
>
> My (perhaps bias) opinion is based on the following:
>
> 1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
> 1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
Both single-cylinder soft trailbikes. Criticising their
highway performance is like complaining your VTR1000 dents
header pipes when trying to ride over fallen trees.
> 1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
Only because CB750's of that vintage rev to 9,000rpm (if
they're lucky).
> 1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
> 1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
> 1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate
> to high engine speed at 100 kph
From memory, a BabyBlade's geared for ~10kph/1,000rpm in
top gear. They redline at 18,500rpm, meaning 110kph works
out as ~11,000rpm, or just over 60% of redline. How can
that be thought of as high engine speed?
> 2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine
> speed at 100 kph (suspect it is geared high)
Or it could be that, as an ag bike, it just has a very low
revlimit.
> 2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in 5th
> gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
So what's your advice? That this guy, who's contemplating a
common-as-muck 250 runabout should instead look into buying
a 20-year-old mastodon for similar moner, or a 1000cc v-twin
soft sportbike for four times the money?
> Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
What "etc" is this? Rejetting?
> My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the past.
> Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
> opinion.
You make the point that there may be budget bikes beter
suited to freeway commuting than a CB250 by a very strange
route...
...for my money, I'd say that, if the choice is between a
newish CB250 or an old large-capacity UJM for similar money,
go the CB250 and forego the decaying carb manifolds, dying
CDI boxes, loose bearings and all other age-related joys
ownership of such a bike brings, while being secure in the
knowledge that, should anything go wrong, it won't be
anything complicated thanks to the bike being as bog-basic
as it is, and wreckers will be able to help out with
bountiful 2ndhand parts that don't necessarily predate both
the Gulf Wars.
If the money and the license conditions (the morning commute
isn't much of a place to play renegades) are there, then I'd
even advise something like what I just got for commuting;
a middle-aged 600 that's had an easy life. Properly
maintained, they're a lot tougher than people give them
credit for and spares for them are the most plentiful of all.
John Littler
Well it's not the first bike I would choose to do regular freeway runs on, but
it should sit happily at a 100-110 day in and day out without too much issue.
The reason it wouldn't be my first choice is unless you're very light it will be
at the top end of it's rev range, if you choose something with a bit more go it
may be a bit less like hard work, you'll not find yourself dropping back to 80
when you hit a steep hill, that sort of thing, not struggling to overtake a car
doing 95 etc.
Consider VTR, Spada, GPX, ZZR, across, Balius, bandit, zeal as alternates that
will sustain 140 happily and hence will be less stressed at maintaining 100.
Noting that the twins (VTR, spada, GPX, ZZR) will probably be slightly cheaper
to maintain.
JL
sharkey
> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
I can't see that being a problem.
> I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
eg: you'd get bored if you were riding around Australia entirely
on Highway 1. 80km a day is _not_ "long distances". 800km a day
and you'd be starting to go beyond the design of the CB250,
but even then I doubt the bike would suffer too badly.
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
The only problem with the CB250 is you might get bored of it
sooner than a more exciting 250 such as the Spada that IK is
trying to sell :-)
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
Cue the obvious Around-Australia-On-A-GPX250 story:
<http://members.optusnet.com.au/~za2bb/odyssey/>
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> news:82d1001h5f9ol7duu...@4ax.com...
> > I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> >
> > I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
> > this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> > however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> > bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
> >
> > Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> > anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
>
> "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
> agreed.
>
And I disagree. Jeanette had a CB250 and we regularly used it for lengthy freeway runs. Sure it had
to work hard in a headwind to stay around the 100 km/h mark, but it soldiered on quite happily. On
low wind days it would cruise at 110+ km/h. An excellent commuter that we used to great affect in
that capacity.
And dead easy to work on should anything need replacing or repairing.
--
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Nev..
> My (perhaps bias) opinion is based on the following:
>
> 1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
> 1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
> 1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
> 1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
> 1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
> 1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate to high engine speed at 100 kph
> 2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine speed at 100 kph
> (suspect it is geared high)
> 2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in 5th
> gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
>
> Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
> My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the past.
> Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
> opinion.
Strange that you'd choose to give advice on the suitability of a CB250 by
giving information on a whole bunch of bikes which are really nothing like a
CB250. Cat did lots of freeway commuting on her CB250 I think... you have any
advice Cat?
Nev..
'03 ZX12R
'02 CBR1100XX
sharkey
> > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> runs on, but it should sit happily at a 100-110 day in and day out
> without too much issue. The reason it wouldn't be my first choice
> is unless you're very light it will be at the top end of it's rev
> range,
... eg: you'll have to downshift to go up hills? Probably. But
freeway touring it'll go okay in top, I imagine, and the gearing
won't be effected by the riders weight ...
Manning
"John Littler" <johnl...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> > I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> >
>
that
> will sustain 140 happily and hence will be less stressed at maintaining
100.
>
> Noting that the twins (VTR, spada, GPX, ZZR) will probably be slightly
cheaper
> to maintain.
>
The humble CB250 is also a twin. But agree, unless you're 70 kgs or less it
will struggle to get much over 110.
Hamish Alker-Jones
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> "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
>> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>>
>> I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
>> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
>> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
>> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>>
>> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
>> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
>
> "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
> agreed.
Damn staright. I'd blow up. I read that they aren't supposed to go above
80 km/h for more than 20 minutes! Did you get the same letter?
Cheers
Hammo
PS I sold my 250 as I found out I was very lucky it didn't fall apart below
me at the speeds I was travelling at!
Hamish Alker-Jones
"Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> decided to come out from under the bed
and slurred:
> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
Now a serious answer!
I rode the freeway so long on my 250, I put Highway pegs on it for improved
comfort.
Sounds like the opinion you have been given are shite, and so are the
salespersons. Fuck them off with a big stick, and then snap of a cable on
their front doorstep.
Hammo
bugger
it
> will struggle to get much over 110.
>
Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
The only difference a heavier rider could possibly make is to increase wind
drag slightly.
Theo Bekkers
> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
40 kms at 100 is only 24 minutes. Hardly a long period. My neighbour
rode to work every day down the Freeway on his Dream 305. A CB 250
will have no problems. Go for it.
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway,
Not whilst there's another choice. :-)
Theo
Aido
that was a well suited 250 for such trips. One of the guys here would agree
with me, He rode his around Aus.
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Kevin Gleeson
>> The humble CB250 is also a twin. But agree, unless you're 70 kgs or less
>it
>> will struggle to get much over 110.
>>
>
>Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
Sorry? Can you explain this one to me?
>The only difference a heavier rider could possibly make is to increase wind
>drag slightly.
Ummmm
Cheers
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
West Hobart
Tasmania Australia
www.imagine-it.com.au
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> "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
Fuggin' what?
You forgotten your DT175 roots alreay?
I hate to think how many hours I had that thing (DT175) wound fully open
(after altering the gearing to get decent highway speed and fuel economy).
Donšt make me start, as I will be telling my touring stories to Kathy for
weeks!
Hammo
FuTAnT
The CB250 is a great little bike but if you're doing regular freeway runs as
you say and you weigh 80kg or more you'de probably be more comfortable on
something with a little more go. Yeah, they DO go the speed, but might be a
different story when you want to overtake or a huge hill. Being a 250 it'l
depend on the wind speed, temperature, when you last brushed your teeth etc
as to whether or not it'l cruise happily at 110.
Cam
'03 954
FuTAnT
Go and do some basic physics .. you're a fucken idiot.
Cam
'03 954
Kimbo
mor...@iprimus.com.au says...
I used to ride a Kawasaki GPZ250 to work every day, but it was only
about 10 minutes on the freeway, no problems.
The CB250 will do it without any problems, but if I was going to do this
commute long term, it's not the bike I would select.
Being a light 'naked' bike you are exposed to the wind and weather to
much. After a while it gets annoying being buffeted around and you'll
ponder how much better it would be, to have more weight, and maybe more
protection.
I would suggest a 600 cc bike with a fairing for this commute, if you
plan to keep this job long term, because after a while commuting this
distance on a 250 will become a chore and you'll probably regret it.
Kimbo
Kevin Gleeson
>"FuTAnT" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in news:40011b03$0$22620
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>> Go and do some basic physics .. you're a fucken idiot.
>
> Go and do some basic physics, it's moving along a road
>against the wind, tyre rolling resistance, incline, and
>Einstein-only-knows what else, not falling from the sky
>in a year-12-physics perfect (wind resistance-less) world.
>
> Oh, and you can't spell "fucking".
I think it is more, go and check the real world instead of physics
theory. I think I know where you are coming from, but real world says
"no" to that.
John Littler
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> Sayeth John Littler <johnl...@iprimus.com.au>:
> > "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> >
> > > I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> > > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> >
> > Well it's not the first bike I would choose to do regular freeway
> > runs on, but it should sit happily at a 100-110 day in and day out
> > without too much issue. The reason it wouldn't be my first choice
> > is unless you're very light it will be at the top end of it's rev
> > range,
>
> ... eg: you'll have to downshift to go up hills? Probably. But
> freeway touring it'll go okay in top, I imagine, and the gearing
> won't be effected by the riders weight ...
Nice try Sharks but if it's at the top end of it's rev range to sit at 100 *in
top* then downshifting at the bottom of the hill isn't going to be pretty (not
even CBs will put up with a lot of that :-). And while the gearing is unaffected
by the rider's weight, the maximum speed the vehicle will pull against a certain
gearing ratio is impacted by the riders weight (ie if you're a fat fuck it aint
going to keep that 100K happening as soon as even the slightest rise appears on
the horizon - whereas if you're Cat, the bike won't even know you're there)
JL
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>
> "John Littler" <johnl...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> > "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:82d1001h5f9ol7duu...@4ax.com...
> > > I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> > > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> > >
> >
> > Consider VTR, Spada, GPX, ZZR, across, Balius, bandit, zeal as alternates
> that
> > will sustain 140 happily and hence will be less stressed at maintaining
> 100.
> >
> > Noting that the twins (VTR, spada, GPX, ZZR) will probably be slightly
> cheaper
> > to maintain.
> >
>
> The humble CB250 is also a twin.
Blimey, what is this ? Pick on JL night ? :-)
I was referring to the twins in the list of alternates as opposed to the fours
in the list of alternates ! Sheesh :-)
JL
John Littler
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ROTFLMAO !!!
You've obviously never ridden a low HP bike then.
JL
Hint: there's a correlation between the highest gearing you can pull, mass being
shifted and HP/torque
Sandgroper
"Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
If you are going to get a CB250 for freeway use , then get bigger carby jets
for it.
Replace the #35 slow jet with a #38 and replace #110 main jet with a #115.
The jets cost $28 for the two and 1 hours labour at a bike shop.
I had my CB jets replaced with the bigger jets and I have found that the
bike runs a lot better at speeds faster than 60 kph and especially on the
freeway @ 80 kph - 100 kph.
The fuel usage is only about 2 - 5 Km / litre less than with the stock
standard jets.
Before I was getting 28 - 32 Km /litre using the stock jets and with the
bigger jets I am getting 25 - 28 Km/litre , with a lot of freeway use , you
will probably get 28km /litre.
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2002 CB250
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> > Consider VTR, Spada, GPX, ZZR, across, Balius, bandit, zeal as alternates
that
> > will sustain 140 happily and hence will be less stressed at maintaining 100.
> >
> > Noting that the twins (VTR, spada, GPX, ZZR) will probably be slightly
cheaper
> > to maintain.
> >
> > JL
> >
> >
> Fuggin' what?
>
> You forgotten your DT175 roots alreay?
I'm trying very hard to !! In fact I'd suggest the CB over the DT any day !
> I hate to think how many hours I had that thing (DT175) wound fully open
> (after altering the gearing to get decent highway speed and fuel economy).
Yup the poor thing I had spent a lot of time with the throttle wide open, dog
only knows how it survived it.
> Donšt make me start, as I will be telling my touring stories to Kathy for
> weeks!
Tell 'em to VB - she hasn't heard them before....
JL
threespeed905
on the freeway!
Its got a great 90deg V-Twin engine and a six speed gear box.
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> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
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problems at all. Top speed I get out of it is about 160. I have toured
around Tassie and doing it again soon, as well as treks down the Hume to
Sydney and the GOR to SA.
Its a great little bike that is very under appreciated. Cheap to fix, run
and easy to work on.
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and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Mike.S
>I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
>trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
>I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
>this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
>however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
>bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>
>Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
>anybody have any opinons on the subject?
CB250? hell i guess it'd do the job quite well, but as Zeb says, you certainly will *not* be
the fastest thing on the road.
Also at highway speeds you'd be up in the rev range and im not sure if it's just me or not,
but even while taking a blatt around on a CB250 on my P's test I found the power to be
in the middle of the revs, and it quickly turned into vibration at anything about 6k RPM
(im gathering that'd be about 90ish km/h in top gear).
At the end of the course i was *very* glad to go home to my EL250 which felt a HELL
of a lot smoother (vibration and power deliver wise) and balanced (ok ok so it had a
few more HP too which came in up to a 14k or so redline).
But if you like the feel of it, and dont have any niggling feelings about its handling, by
all means get one. But in all honestly the GPX's, VTR's and Spada's these guys on this
NG are selling would *certainly* be able to do what you want (and possibly have a little
something in reserve "in case" you ever needed to get around that semi going up a hill.
Mike.S
------
(ex CB250 K2,finis EL250, mucho grande EN 454 LTD!)
*SNIP*
Happy now?
tom
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Mike.S
Precisely, why else do you think lams is based on a "power to weight ratio" bugger ?
Also why the hell else would a R65 Bimmer be on the list? got a shedload of power,
but as heavy as a sherman tank. And by that logic a WRX blinged up to the
max should whoop the butts off anyone with a 'busa if we followed your logic.
Sure wind resistance has an effect on things, but the real issue is something to do
with propelling force, inertia, momentum & weight.
bob
it had enough power to overtake with ease, cruised at 110 and was fun to
ride on weekend rides.
Actually rode the bike from Melbourne to the OX and then to the Queensland
border and back, bike didn't have a problem I personally wouldn't get
anything that struggles at 110, sometime you want to go for a cruise and
not having to hold your bike flat makes it more enjoyable. Also to avoid an
accident its good to have another option than breaks.
"Theo Bekkers" <th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
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Hamish Alker-Jones
<man...@NOSPAMbartlett.net> decided to come out from under the bed and
slurred:
>
Ha ha ha ha ha.
You are sooo funny.
Hammo
Theo Bekkers
>
> Well it's not the first bike I would choose to do regular freeway
runs on, but
> it should sit happily at a 100-110 day in and day out without too
much issue.
> The reason it wouldn't be my first choice is unless you're very
light it will be
> at the top end of it's rev range,
Your weight changes the gearing?
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> eg: you'd get bored if you were riding around Australia entirely
> on Highway 1. 80km a day is _not_ "long distances". 800km a day
> and you'd be starting to go beyond the design of the CB250,
> but even then I doubt the bike would suffer too badly.
Ummm, you need to have a conversation with the Japanese guy on a CT90
I met at Nullarbor roadhouse. A Cb 250 would be louxory by comparison.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> My (perhaps bias) opinion is based on the following:
>
> 1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100
kph
> 1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
> 1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at
100 kph
> 1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
> 1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100
kph
> 1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate to high engine speed at
100 kph
> 2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine speed at
100 kph
> (suspect it is geared high)
> 2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in
5th
> gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
And what is the relationship between the above lot and a CB 250?
> Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
Ummm, if you gear a CB250 higher (so it has less revs at 100 km/h) it
probably will no longer be capable of doing 100 km/h.
> My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the
past.
> Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
> opinion.
Perhaps. Or Perhaps?
Theo
Jorgen
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[...]
> Oh, and you can't spell "fucking".
We try to be nice about how we go about saying gofuggof, that's all. It's a
newsgroup thing, for farks sake.
j
Zebee Johnstone
Does Adelaide to Brisbane on the MZ count then?
Zebee
John Littler
Blimey it *IS* pick on JL night !
No your weight doesn't change the gearing (yes I'll accept its a poor wording),
if you're fat it just won't be able to pull up to the top end of the rev range
JL
Damien
"Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:82d1001h5f9ol7duu...@4ax.com...
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
The longest trip I've done on a 250 was Canberra - Puckapunyal on the GPX250 (about 650km). Except for a short stretch
on the Barton Highway at the beginning, the whole trip was on the Hume Highway at or exceeding the 110km/h limit. At no
point did I have any trouble holding that speed, nor with finding a bit extra when the need to overtake arose.
Admittedly, the GPX250 has a bit more go than a CB250, but I think it will do just fine for a 40km trip! And if you
still have any doubts, ask BTH about his regular epic journeys on a GPX250 (Canberra - Ayers Rock on one occasion, and a
complete circuit of Australia on another).
Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600
Theo Bekkers
> Does Adelaide to Brisbane on the MZ count then?
Undoubtedly.
Theo
Mad-Biker.com
know, and that explains why they are speed limited to 100k's as well :-)
do a quick search on power to weight ratio's.
yes I agree, a fatter person would cause more wind resistance..
my vtr250 handled touring quite well, I did many 1000k+ trips on it and it
didn't complain one bit.. except when its 2 (180kg) up trying to get more
than 120-130 out of it..
"Kevin Gleeson" <keving...@imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message
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> "bugger" <see...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> The humble CB250 is also a twin. But agree, unless you're 70 kgs or
less
> >it
> >> will struggle to get much over 110.
> >>
> >
> >Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
>
> Sorry? Can you explain this one to me?
>
>
> >The only difference a heavier rider could possibly make is to increase
wind
> >drag slightly.
>
> Ummmm
BT Humble
> I agree, A CB250 wouldn't be suited to such a trip. I had a GPX250 &
> that was a well suited 250 for such trips. One of the guys here would agree
> with me, He rode his around Aus.
I'll agree with your second sentence, but not your first. A CB250
would be perfectly adequate for a 40km highway commute, although how
fast it will get there is very dependent on the rider's weight. I
hear that Postman Pat rode his to the Capital rally a few days ago?
But then I'm planning to borrow my dad's CT90 for the trip to
Wintersun this year, so what would I know? ;-)
BTH
BT Humble
> I don't know how relevant this is, but I ride a ZZR250, and it seems to
> handle the freeway quite fine, I have done quite a few 100km trips, and I
> have managed to get her up to 150km/h, being new to this, I really don't
> wanna try any higher... :p
That's OK, I doubt you had much beyond 150kph on a ZZR250 anyway! ;-)
(I'm not being nasty, that's about what both my GPX250s can achieve).
BTH
BT Humble
> Cue the obvious Around-Australia-On-A-GPX250 story:
> <http://members.optusnet.com.au/~za2bb/odyssey/>
>
> -----sharks
Is this a subtle hint that I mention it too often?
BTH
BT Humble
> I did 30 Km a day on a CBR 250 RR for 1 year.
Impressive.
> I'm glad I got that bike as
> it had enough power to overtake with ease, cruised at 110 and was fun to
> ride on weekend rides.
They're a fine machine, no doubt about it. I'd own one if they were
cheap enough.
> ...Also to avoid an
> accident its good to have another option than breaks.
Breaking is always bad. Mind you, correct use of your brakes is often
a better solution than trying to "power your way out of trouble".
BTH
Smee
> I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
Absolute twaddle.
Get a bikini screen for it to streamline the airflow and you'll get it
up to 110 without the buffetting.
I owned a CD250u (same engine as the cb250 but with twin carbies)
I weigh 85 kilos and regularly got it to 130 kmh.
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Intact Kneeslider <intact.k...@start.com.au> wrote:
> Tony Morris wrote:
> >
> > "Morphet" <mor...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day.
> >>The trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> >>
> >>I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think
> >>that this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for
> >>long periods, however the same people have a vested interest
> >>to sell me something bigger, so I don't know if I can trust
> >>their opinion.
> >>
> >>Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway,
> >>or does anybody have any opinons on the subject?
> >
> > "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
> > agreed.
>
> Horseshit.
>
Well, I'm not sure I've ever done more than 6 or 7 hours continuous at
100kmh+ on the Spada (less then 2 hours if you don't ignore petrol
stops), and I've rarely done more than 3 1000km days in a row...
It all depends on what you mean by "long periods"...
big (Maybe Tony is a geologist?)
--
'When I first met Katho, she had a meat cleaver in one hand and
half a sheep in the other. "Come in", she says, "Hammo's not here.
I hope you like meat.' Sharkey in aus.moto
Johno
>Absolute twaddle.
>Get a bikini screen for it to streamline the airflow and you'll get it
>up to 110 without the buffetting.
>I owned a CD250u (same engine as the cb250 but with twin carbies)
>I weigh 85 kilos and regularly got it to 130 kmh.
130 kmh? - whoa!, bet you dug up the spuds in that field in record
time ;0
Johno
Gary Woodman
news:70800dae.04011...@posting.google.com:
> But then I'm planning to borrow my dad's CT90 for the trip to
> Wintersun this year, so what would I know? ;-)
This bloke will do anything for a rally prize!
Gary
--
Don't have a local servo any more :-/
Gary Woodman
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> why the hell else would a R65 Bimmer be on the
> list? got a shedload of power, but as heavy as a sherman tank.
205kg wet.
Gary (just browsing the owners' manual yesterday :-)
JS9
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
The stock CB250 is absolutely capable of this kind of application.
If you want more punch, rejet the carb or shim the slide needle.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/CB250_Nighthawk/
sharkey
> sharkey wrote:
> > Cue the obvious Around-Australia-On-A-GPX250 story:
> > <http://members.optusnet.com.au/~za2bb/odyssey/>
>
Not at all: I just figured you might be busy :-)
-----sharks
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Dave_H
> trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
>
> this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
>
> Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> anybody have any opinons on the subject?
I own a CB250 and occasionally ride it on the freeway (Syd to
wollongong) It is very happy at 80-90 will do 100klm/h and has got up
to 110Klm. Steep hills see it drop back to 80 in 4th gear. Its revving
fairly hard (and will happily do so all day) at these speeds. Its not
as smooth as a 4cyl but not unacceptably coarse. There is some
vibration from the engine at these speeds. I get tingly hands. having
never been on a big slow revving bike, I dont know if these are less
tiring.
It has no fairing and a very upright (and exposed to the wind) seated
position. This is not a problem in summer but you get very cold and
miserable in winter. The tank is low, and thus funnels cold air up
between yor legs and into your crotch hence frozen genetalia.
Around town, it is an excellent bike, very maneurble but for your free
way intentions including winter and bad weather, a comfortable faired
bike may be better. As I said, I dont know if bigger engine is better.
Dave_H
> for it.
> Replace the #35 slow jet with a #38 and replace #110 main jet with a #115.
> The jets cost $28 for the two and 1 hours labour at a bike shop.
>
This sounds very interesting, where does one obtain these jets from?
and who do you reccomend to do the work?
Eman Mean
120km/h. I currently weigh 110kgs, and I've taken my bike up to 165km/h,
only slowing down for fear of loosing my licence if I got caught. At
100km/h, the revs sit at 8500rpm in 6th gear. It redlines at 17500rpm. It's
got pretty good acceleration from 4000rpm, and great acceleration from about
6500rpm (for a 250cc of course). There are no vibrations, or high pitched
screams at cruising speed. With 250's, you gotta keep the revs in the right
range if you want instant power available, otherwise they can take a while
to get them where you want to be...
EM
Tony Morris
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"Intact Kneeslider" <intact.k...@start.com.au> wrote in message
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> Tony Morris wrote:
> >
> > My (perhaps bias) opinion is based on the following:
> >
> > 1985 DR200 - poor to moderate stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
> > 1981 XL250 - poor stability, high engine speed at 100 kph
>
> Both single-cylinder soft trailbikes. Criticising their
> highway performance is like complaining your VTR1000 dents
> header pipes when trying to ride over fallen trees.
>
> > 1981 CB750 - excellent stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100
kph
>
> Only because CB750's of that vintage rev to 9,000rpm (if
> they're lucky).
>
> > 1993 YZ125 - didn't use it on the freeway (much :])
> > 1983 GS450 - moderate stability, low to moderate engine speed at 100 kph
> > 1993 CBR250RR - moderate stability, moderate
> > to high engine speed at 100 kph
>
> From memory, a BabyBlade's geared for ~10kph/1,000rpm in
> top gear. They redline at 18,500rpm, meaning 110kph works
> out as ~11,000rpm, or just over 60% of redline. How can
> that be thought of as high engine speed?
>
> > 2003 TA200 (borrowed) - moderate stability, moderate engine
> > speed at 100 kph (suspect it is geared high)
>
> Or it could be that, as an ag bike, it just has a very low
> revlimit.
>
> > 2003 VTR1000F - excellent stability, low engine speed at 100 kph (in 5th
> > gear, don't use 6th until ~110 kph)
>
> So what's your advice? That this guy, who's contemplating a
> common-as-muck 250 runabout should instead look into buying
> a 20-year-old mastodon for similar moner, or a 1000cc v-twin
> soft sportbike for four times the money?
>
> > Of course, engine speed can be altered by changing gearing, etc.
>
> What "etc" is this? Rejetting?
>
> > My opinion may be bias due to the bikes that I have owned in the past.
> > Perhaps someone who has owned other bikes can provide a more precise
> > opinion.
>
> You make the point that there may be budget bikes beter
> suited to freeway commuting than a CB250 by a very strange
> route...
>
> ...for my money, I'd say that, if the choice is between a
> newish CB250 or an old large-capacity UJM for similar money,
> go the CB250 and forego the decaying carb manifolds, dying
> CDI boxes, loose bearings and all other age-related joys
> ownership of such a bike brings, while being secure in the
> knowledge that, should anything go wrong, it won't be
> anything complicated thanks to the bike being as bog-basic
> as it is, and wreckers will be able to help out with
> bountiful 2ndhand parts that don't necessarily predate both
> the Gulf Wars.
>
> If the money and the license conditions (the morning commute
> isn't much of a place to play renegades) are there, then I'd
> even advise something like what I just got for commuting;
> a middle-aged 600 that's had an easy life. Properly
> maintained, they're a lot tougher than people give them
> credit for and spares for them are the most plentiful of all.
>
Pat Heslewood
"BT Humble" <za...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> I'll agree with your second sentence, but not your first. A CB250
> would be perfectly adequate for a 40km highway commute, although how
> fast it will get there is very dependent on the rider's weight. I
> hear that Postman Pat rode his to the Capital rally a few days ago?
>
>
> BTH
Throttle wide open most of the weekend (for all the good *that* did...)
And there was no "Longest Distance,Smallest cc" award---bugger....
Used no oil,and not much fuel.
Handling not too flash with bulk weight over the back wheel,but got the job
done.
The hills seemed a lot steeper,and the overtaking lanes a lot shorter,than I
remembered.....
Still Vibrating Pat
900km or so later
Sandgroper
"Dave_H" <drhi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Any Honda dealer / workshop should be able to obtain the jets and fit them.
I am in WA and I got the jets fitted by Prestige Honda , the dealership
where I brought the bike from new.
It cost me about $130 for parts and labour to fit them fitted , $28 for the
two jets and the $100 odd for the labour ( 1 hr )
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BT Humble
> ... With 250's, you gotta keep the
> revs in the right range if you want instant power available, otherwise
> they can take a while to get them where you want to be...
How long does it take to change gears on a CBR250 then?
BTH
BT Humble
> ... There is some
> vibration from the engine at these speeds. I get tingly hands.
Some handlebar end weights will reduce the "tingly" vibration quite a bit.
They're usually quite cheap from wreckers, and easily mounted (you don't
need threaded ends on your handlebars to fit them).
BTH
BT Humble
Shouldn't that be "if you're *heavy* it just won't be able to pull up to the
top end of the rev range"? ;-)
BTH
(Just pleased that someone else is getting picked on for a change!)
BT Humble
> Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
Oh?
> The only difference a heavier rider could possibly make is to increase
> wind drag slightly.
The only "drag" force affected by the rider's mass will be the rolling
resistance of the tyres, and it will be relatively small. The amount of
"wind drag" will vary depending on how much surface area you're presenting
to the wind[1].
I'll leave the discussions of inertia[2] up to someone more qualified than
myself, like IK.
BTH
[1] You can test this by checking your top speed while lying prone on the
tank Vs your top speed while sitting upright. I suspect this might be why
fairings were invented... ;-)
[2] WHich is where rider mass really starts to have an impact.
John Littler
> John Littler wrote:
...snip
> > Blimey it *IS* pick on JL night !
> >
> > No your weight doesn't change the gearing (yes I'll accept its a poor
> > wording), if you're fat it just won't be able to pull up to the top end of
> > the rev range
>
> Shouldn't that be "if you're *heavy* it just won't be able to pull up to the
> top end of the rev range"? ;-)
Errm what's the difference between being fat and being heavy ? I would have
thought fat was a subset of heavy (as you could also be heavy through being a
serious body builder or a deformed Tasmanian without too many limbs and heads)
JL
(fuggoff anyway :-)
sharkey
>
> Any Honda dealer / workshop should be able to obtain the jets and fit them.
They charge extra to change the gearing, though ...
HARSH WEEK!
bob
> Breaking is always bad. Mind you, correct use of your brakes is often
> a better solution than trying to "power your way out of trouble".
Yeah true but I did say its good to have another option. :-)
Nev..
> Morphet wrote:
> > I'm looking at buying a Honda CB250 to get to work every day. The
> > trip involves about 40 km of freeway riding each way.
> >
> > I've asked a few people about the bike and they seem to think that
> > this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods,
> > however the same people have a vested interest to sell me something
> > bigger, so I don't know if I can trust their opinion.
> >
> > Does anybody here ride a 250 for long periods on the freeway, or does
> > anybody have any opinons on the subject?
>
> Absolute twaddle.
> Get a bikini screen for it to streamline the airflow and you'll get it
> up to 110 without the buffetting.
> I owned a CD250u (same engine as the cb250 but with twin carbies)
> I weigh 85 kilos and regularly got it to 130 kmh.
This was the same bike which was pushing shit uphill achieving a max speed of
80kph in 3rd gear into a headwind on the highway on the way to Mildura last
year with about 100kg of rider and luggage on board right?
Nev..
'03 ZX12R
'02 CBR1100XX
JS9
>.... Its revving fairly hard
The Cycle magazine CB250 road test tached the CB at 6555rpm going 60mph.
I've wired up a digital TinyTach to my CB and at 65mph it's spinning about
6900, at 70 the numbers were dancing around 7300. Max horsepower is reached
at 8000 revs (max torque at 6500) and the redline starts about 8500 rpm.
Compared to scooters like the 14K rpm EX250, the CB is not spinning all that
fast.
The bike will easily tolerate a drop of one or two teeth at the rear
sprocket giving it longer legs for the highway.
> It has no fairing and a very upright .... The tank is low, and
> thus funnels cold air up between yor legs and into your
> crotch hence frozen genetalia.
As with any naked bike. Fit a screen and tank bag.
JS9
#115.
> > The jets cost $28 for the two and 1 hours labour at a bike shop.
> This sounds very interesting, where does one obtain these jets from?
Part numbers from the US CB250 parts catalog:
#38 -- 99103-KR3-0380
#115 -- 99101-GHB-1150
It's been my experience that these jets combined tend to be too rich. The
CB suffers from lean low rpm carburetion, but the top end is adequate. You
could run just the #38 pilot jet to hasten warm-up, eliminate off-idle
stumbles and improve low rev torque, and then shim the needle to dial-in
high revs for that nice tan spark plug. OR, simply reset the pilot screw
(airscrew) and shim the needle. At the Yahoo group the shim mod is
described and illustrated in the Files using a single .024" washer. You can
pull the top off the carb for the mod without having to remove the entire
carburetor like you would for the jet swap.
/Jon
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/CB250_Nighthawk
sharkey
> >
> > The humble CB250 is also a twin. But agree, unless you're 70
> > kgs or less it will struggle to get much over 110.
>
> Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
>
> increase wind drag slightly.
Also rolling friction, mainly due to tyre displacement.
You can, to an extend, negate this with a bit of extra air
in the tyres. It's amazing the difference this makes to
a low-HP bike ...
... and yes, JL, getting up hills takes a bit of a run-up :-)
sharkey
> "sharkey" <sha...@zoic.org> wrote in message
> news:slrnc01q3q....@anchovy.zoic.org...
> > Sayeth John Littler <johnl...@iprimus.com.au>:
> > >
> > > [...] unless you're very light it will be at the top end
> > > of it's rev range,
> >
> > freeway touring it'll go okay in top, I imagine, and the gearing
> > won't be effected by the riders weight ...
>
> Nice try Sharks but if it's at the top end of it's rev range
> to sit at 100 *in top* then downshifting at the bottom of the
> hill isn't going to be pretty (not even CBs will put up with
> a lot of that :-).
Yebbut, unless the blood of Honda has lessened, even a fuckerty
CB250 isn't redlined at 100 in top. Sure, sure 6-7k out of a
9-10k redline, which doesn't say "casual" to me either.
And Freeways don't tend to go up hill[1] and down dale[2],
so odds are Morphet is not going to have to change down
to fourth for his 24 minute commute, and can thus avoid the
merry song of the bouncing valve no matter his weight.
Anyway, I'm yet to be convinced that soundly flogging
(uh, below the redline) a (modern, japanese) bike is actually
bad for it, so long as it gets properly maintained.
-----sharks
[1] At least not in Victoria, you Foreigners might have got
this wrong
[2] Funny, we were just talking about Cat ... :-)
Rik Steenwinkel
<big...@mightymedia.com.au> wrote:
} In article <10737875...@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au>,
} Intact Kneeslider <intact.k...@start.com.au> wrote:
}
} > Tony Morris wrote:
} >
} > >
} > > "this bike would not be appropiate for 100kmh speed for long periods"
} > > agreed.
} >
} > Horseshit.
}
} Well, I'm not sure I've ever done more than 6 or 7 hours continuous at
} 100kmh+ on the Spada (less then 2 hours if you don't ignore petrol
} stops), and I've rarely done more than 3 1000km days in a row...
}
} It all depends on what you mean by "long periods"...
}
} big (Maybe Tony is a geologist?)
In that case even single-digit kms per hour would be blisteringly
fast.
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// Enschede '91 R100GS/PD The Great Unwashed
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// if you don't go there" '81 MZ TS250/1+LSW Badkuip
Zebee Johnstone
Rik Steenwinkel <rst...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:41:20 UTC, Iain Chalmers
><big...@mightymedia.com.au> wrote:
>
> }
> } big (Maybe Tony is a geologist?)
>
> In that case even single-digit kms per hour would be blisteringly
> fast.
Speed cameras for continental drift?
Zebee
- who suspects that the revenue raised would be eaten by inflation
before the ticket is processed.
--
Zebee Johnstone (ze...@zip.com.au), proud holder of
aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1.
"Motorcycles are like peanuts... who can stop at just one?"
BT Humble
> Errm what's the difference between being fat and being heavy ?
Well, that fat kid of "Hey Dad" probably wasn't all that heavy at the time...
> JL
> (fuggoff anyway :-)
Cheerio! :-D
BTH
Theo Bekkers
> Mike.S wrote
> > why the hell else would a R65 Bimmer be on the
> > list? got a shedload of power, but as heavy as a sherman tank.
> 205kg wet.
>
> Gary (just browsing the owners' manual yesterday :-)
That's cheating Gary. Did you check the manual for the Sherman? I'm
sure it's 204 kg.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> This sounds very interesting, where does one obtain these jets from?
Boeing have heaps of jets.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> Blimey it *IS* pick on JL night !
It IS still harsh week John.
> No your weight doesn't change the gearing (yes I'll accept its a
poor wording),
> if you're fat it just won't be able to pull up to the top end of the
rev range
But you'll go faster downhill.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> Errm what's the difference between being fat and being heavy ?
Fat is being heavy for your height. And, if it's your brother, he's
not heavy.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> This was the same bike which was pushing shit uphill achieving a max
speed of
> 80kph in 3rd gear into a headwind on the highway on the way to
Mildura last
> year with about 100kg of rider and luggage on board right?
I had a company car in the early sixties that had trouble maintaining
80 km/h with a headwind on the Freeway.
Theo
What idiot thought a Fiat 500 would be OK for a company car? (Hint:
the same guy who decided on Mini's).
Theo Bekkers
> How long does it take to change gears on a CBR250 then?
It takes a while to change the sprockets.
Theo
Smee
>>
>>Absolute twaddle.
>>Get a bikini screen for it to streamline the airflow and you'll get it
>>up to 110 without the buffetting.
>>I owned a CD250u (same engine as the cb250 but with twin carbies)
>>I weigh 85 kilos and regularly got it to 130 kmh.
>
>
> This was the same bike which was pushing shit uphill achieving a max speed of
> 80kph in 3rd gear into a headwind on the highway on the way to Mildura last
> year with about 100kg of rider and luggage on board right?
Yup another 20 kilos and an absence of a screen up hill in a headwind
will do that. :P
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for all spam.
Iain Chalmers
"Theo Bekkers" <th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote:
Yeah, but Boeing don't make them, they buy them in from Rolls Royce or
Pratt and Whitney or whoever...
Give Rolls a call, they'll help you out...
big (you know you've got to split the cases to install them though...)
--
Its now day 204 of Harsh Week on Usenet - http://tinyurl.com/kfd1
Iain Chalmers
sharkey <sha...@zoic.org> wrote:
> Anyway, I'm yet to be convinced that soundly flogging
> (uh, below the redline) a (modern, japanese) bike is actually
> bad for it, so long as it gets properly maintained.
I would actually go so far as to state that a good long (fast) ride
makes the Spada run _way_ better - I'm pretty sure it actually does it
good, not bad...
(Of course, 24 minutes on a freeway doesn't count as a "good long fast
ride" - I'm thinking more like 24 hours of windy roads over a long
weekend...)
big
--
'When I first met Katho, she had a meat cleaver in one hand and
half a sheep in the other. "Come in", she says, "Hammo's not here.
I hope you like meat.' Sharkey in aus.moto
Iain Chalmers
"John Littler" <johnl...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> "BT Humble" <za...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4002494b$0$26116$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > John Littler wrote:
> ...snip
> > > Blimey it *IS* pick on JL night !
> > >
> > > No your weight doesn't change the gearing (yes I'll accept its a poor
> > > wording), if you're fat it just won't be able to pull up to the top end of
> > > the rev range
> >
> > Shouldn't that be "if you're *heavy* it just won't be able to pull up to the
> > top end of the rev range"? ;-)
>
> Errm what's the difference between being fat and being heavy ?
Density.
HTH, HAND,
big (assume a spherical rider of uniform density)
sanbar
>Its now day 204 of Harsh Week on Usenet - http://tinyurl.com/kfd1
Connecting to http://tinyurl.com/kfd1 ...
Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (11) in /home/sites/site15/web/db_connect.php on line 3
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysqlerror() in /home/sites/site15/web/db_connect.php on
line 3
Bwhahahahaha.
- sanbar
CrazyCam
> In article <slrnc03g41....@anchovy.zoic.org>,
> sharkey <sha...@zoic.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Anyway, I'm yet to be convinced that soundly flogging
>>(uh, below the redline) a (modern, japanese) bike is actually
>>bad for it, so long as it gets properly maintained.
>
>
> I would actually go so far as to state that a good long (fast) ride
> makes the Spada run _way_ better - I'm pretty sure it actually does it
> good, not bad...
I'll agree with big here.
I've had a couple of CB250's in the garage. Orphans and strays...honest!
After most of their lives as learner mounts, a good few rides at, or
near red-line, does seem to make them feel much better. ;-)
regards,
CrazyCam
Zebee Johnstone
Iain Chalmers <big...@mightymedia.com.au> wrote:
>
> big (assume a spherical rider of uniform density)
Who is begging to be taken out of context.
Zebee
Martin Taylor
bu> Top speed is based on maximum engine power, not vehicle mass.
bu> The only difference a heavier rider could possibly make is to increase
bu> wind drag slightly.
Hmm. Rewriting the laws of physics, are we?
Iain Chalmers
sanbar <san...@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Hmmm, it just worked for me... looks like a transient failure...
Try:
http://www.google.com.au/groups?selm=bdbfug%24r56sf%241%40ID-190912.news.
dfncis.de
:-)
big
Dave_H
> They're usually quite cheap from wreckers, and easily mounted (you don't
> need threaded ends on your handlebars to fit them).
>
>
> BTH
Its got some weights at the moment, I assume they are stock CB250
items. Can you buy bigger and if so, what are the disadvantages?
btw, love the touring australia on the jackal page. Will do that one
day.
Gary Woodman
server.bigpond.net.au:
Damn, my Sherman didn't come with a manual!
Gary
--
Don't have a local servo any more :-/
Silmaril
I'm impressed!
I just rode my CT-110 up to Mt Hotham from Melb, 477km up there, another
tootling 1118km while up there (four days), then home again.
Sounds a bit ratty, time for a service!
Cheers,
Adrian
CT-110
"BT Humble" <za...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:70800dae.04011...@posting.google.com...
> Aido wrote:
> > I agree, A CB250 wouldn't be suited to such a trip. I had a GPX250 &
> > that was a well suited 250 for such trips. One of the guys here would
agree
> > with me, He rode his around Aus.
>
> I'll agree with your second sentence, but not your first. A CB250
> would be perfectly adequate for a 40km highway commute, although how
> fast it will get there is very dependent on the rider's weight. I
> hear that Postman Pat rode his to the Capital rally a few days ago?
>
> But then I'm planning to borrow my dad's CT90 for the trip to
> Wintersun this year, so what would I know? ;-)
>
>
> BTH
Silmaril
helps, much easier to get them off while leaning over...
(Am now a dab hand at changing my front sprocket on the postie - been doing
it often enough! Just loosen the rear wheel axle, kick the wheel forward to
loosen the chain, undo the side/sprocket cover, off come the nuts, swap the
sprocket, cover back on, wheel back, tighten chain, tighten axle, and off I
go! Can do it in 10 mins or so now. Though dooing it at 0 degrees celsius on
top of Mt Hotham was a bitch.)
Cheers,
Adrian
CT-110
*Worshipper of tube wrenches!*
"Theo Bekkers" <th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
news:E1GMb.8409$Wa....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
John Littler
news:bigiain-920A3C...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> In article <bttkl9$bg5no$1...@ID-143610.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "John Littler" <johnl...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> > Errm what's the difference between being fat and being heavy ?
>
> Density.
>
> HTH, HAND,
>
> big (assume a spherical rider of uniform density)
It's OK, I don't have to assume, I've seen you :-)
JL
PS you is the above address not valid ? You never replied to my email - you
wanna borrow that book or not ?
PPS WTF does HAND stand for ?