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Larrikin

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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See the news tonight. Vic Police are catching 800 motorists a day going
through the city tunnel. They are real pissed cause they can't catch bikes
due to the fact they don't (yet) have a number plate at the front. They
showed what looked to be an R1 going through it at 196kph (speed limit is
80).

Peter
'00 TLR

PS I enjoyed that demo ride on the R1 from Action earlier in the week =;)

Aaron

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Lurvelly. :-)

Aaron
CBR250RR


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DJ

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The argument relating to safety concerns on the front number plate is now a
defunct. The can make special plastics etc. that will not cause any
problems. I predict one state Victoria the revenue state will introduce
this by end of next year. Then all states will follow suit.

DJ


Kieran <hate...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >They are real pissed cause they can't catch bikes
> >due to the fact they don't (yet) have a number plate at the front.
>

> Gonna' have to monitor this closely. It's only seemingly 'yesterday'
> that we managed to get rid of the outdated legislation requiring them
> to be displayed on the front of motorcycles. It'll only be a matter of
> time before Governments start proposing draft legislation to
> reintroduce them now they're losing camera revenue.
>
> Of course any concerns expressed by rider's groups re safety will
> being howled down by (insert name of local traffic authority *highly
> paid* 'independent' and expert consultant) who'll present politically
> correct and expedient "unquestionable" statistics of greater safety
> being achieved by the alleged reduction in accidents through the
> increased effectiveness of speed camera enforcement as a deterrent.
>
> I remember just how discomforting it was having the legally required
> 'razor' sitting up front just waiting for you to highside, lowside or
> take an impact leap across it into the obstacle in front. If you
> didn't leave your balls behind on the projecting fuel tank caps of the
> era, that protruding sharp edged front number plate was make sure you
> didn't get off uncircumcis...err...unscathed! :)
>
> Kieran

Aaron

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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My main concern is how the hell are you expected to attach a #plate to the
front of something like a CBR250RR when there isn't anywhere to stick it..

AND they'll look real ugly

AND they'll prolly screw up the aerodynamics of bikes aswell.

Aaron
CBR250RR


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paulh

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I'm staggered with the stupidity of not placing the cameras facing the REAR of
vehicles. Normal speed cameras do. How dumb can they get?

paulh


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DJ

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I am not for front plates, but where there is a political will there is a
way. Because bikes are a minority group and we have a nation of dumb
fucking people that don't bother to analyse what is being said, then the
politicians will get the media on side and that will give the media some
cause to push (ratings inspired only because media are the parasitic germs
that live off pollies). Then we will have speed limiters etc . Eventually
the media will get tired of that cause, the ratings drop and so it will then
be, genetically engineered food, homosexuality or some other thing that
rates, until the ratings drop so then they will move onto another cause.

So the dumb fucking Australian public, which are all individuals (NOT), will
sheep onto the next cause with the pollies and the media, which in turn
gives us more and more laws that restrict our lives. So eventually we will
have only one single difference between a dictatorship and democracy - we
vote the arseholes in and then they shaft the fuck out of us. The words are
'power' and 'control' over people, that is why pollies are in it.

Now I feel good and will go to bed.

DJ


Aaron <Som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> My main concern is how the hell are you expected to attach a #plate to the
> front of something like a CBR250RR when there isn't anywhere to stick it..
>
> AND they'll look real ugly
>
> AND they'll prolly screw up the aerodynamics of bikes aswell.
>
> Aaron
> CBR250RR
>
>
> "DJ" <duc...@exterminator.net1> wrote in message
> news:39cb...@iridium.webone.com.au...
> > The argument relating to safety concerns on the front number plate is
now
> a
> > defunct. The can make special plastics etc. that will not cause any
> > problems. I predict one state Victoria the revenue state will introduce
> > this by end of next year. Then all states will follow suit.
> >
> > DJ
> >
> >
> > Kieran <hate...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:pr7msssv4hfi4mh06...@4ax.com...

> > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >They are real pissed cause they can't catch bikes
> > > >due to the fact they don't (yet) have a number plate at the front.
> > >

Clem Doherty

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I think we first have to look at the dumn fuck who did the 196 and shat in
everybody's drinking water!
I would happily punch fuck outta' him [and the 239k qld
dickless-idiot]......
Clem
(a peaceful man!)
~

Clem Doherty

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Too greedy paulh!
You might be able to drop 20k by the time it catches you, if you see it
before you pass!
Clem
~
paulh <dee...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> I'm staggered with the stupidity of not placing the cameras facing the
REAR of
> vehicles. Normal speed cameras do. How dumb can they get?
>
> paulh
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> >See the news tonight. Vic Police are catching 800 motorists a day going
> >through the city tunnel. They are real pissed cause they can't catch
bikes

Jetdog

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I hope you had a restful sleep because I suspect that you did not make a
prediction last night, but rather reaffirmed reality. We already have a
dicktatorship. The chief dick (or is it tator) being the combined brain
scraps of the governments controlled by the packer and murdock spawns. Here
in the lucky country we now have more politicians per head of population
than any other country in the world. Short of anarchy I don't have a
solution.
Harry.

> > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >They are real pissed cause they can't catch bikes
> > > > >due to the fact they don't (yet) have a number plate at the front.
> > > >

Julie and Deb

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In article <U_Gy5.338$Sp3.6...@news.chello.com.au>,

"Aaron" <Som...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> My main concern is how the hell are you expected to attach a #plate
to the
> front of something like a CBR250RR when there isn't anywhere to stick
it..
>
> AND they'll look real ugly
>
> AND they'll prolly screw up the aerodynamics of bikes aswell.
>
> Aaron
> CBR250RR

I believe Qld DOT is testing front plates.
--
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Deevo

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Clem Doherty <cl...@australiamail.com> wrote in message
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> I think we first have to look at the dumn fuck who did the 196 and shat in
> everybody's drinking water!
> I would happily punch fuck outta' him [and the 239k qld
> dickless-idiot]......
> Clem
> (a peaceful man!)

You won't get any argument from me on that one. I hope these guys realise
what they are doing before we all wind up on CT110s
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bill_h

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Sep 23, 2000, 2:15:00 AM9/23/00
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Reminds me of some years ago on a BeeEm 75/5, doing 130-140 K's, when
something went whistling past my ear. In a state of confusion for a
while until I looked down and realised the front half of the
fibreglass mudgard, complete with number plate, was missing.

cheers,

bill

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:02:08 +1000, Kieran <hate...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>They are real pissed cause they can't catch bikes
>>due to the fact they don't (yet) have a number plate at the front.
>
>Gonna' have to monitor this closely. It's only seemingly 'yesterday'
>that we managed to get rid of the outdated legislation requiring them
>to be displayed on the front of motorcycles. It'll only be a matter of
>time before Governments start proposing draft legislation to
>reintroduce them now they're losing camera revenue.
>

>Kieran

K100RT, RZ350 (filling lots of boxes), A100

Trevor S

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Sep 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/23/00
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Bill,

When are we going for a ride again ? :))

Trevor S

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> Reminds me of some years ago on a BeeEm 75/5, doing 130-140 K's, when
> something went whistling past my ear. In a state of confusion for a
> while until I looked down and realised the front half of the
> fibreglass mudgard, complete with number plate, was missing.
>
> cheers,
>
> bill

<snip>

bill_h

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Sep 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/23/00
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Not this weekend, I'm in the middle of shifting house, grumble
grumble. Soon perhaps before you head for Brissie.

cheers,

Bill

On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:34:22 +1000, "Trevor S"
<trevor_s@_No_SPAMO_bigfoot.com> wrote:

>Bill,
>
>When are we going for a ride again ? :))
>
>Trevor S

Trevor S

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"bill_h" <bi...@NOSPAM.cheerful.com> wrote in message
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> Not this weekend, I'm in the middle of shifting house, grumble
> grumble. Soon perhaps before you head for Brissie.

ahhh.... lucky I did not volunteer to help with that job :) If you do need a
hand, let me know.. I will make sure I am out of town. Just kidding :) Let
me know if ya need a hand...

and let me know when you want to blast those cobwebs out of the Beemer :)

Trevor S
RSV Mille

Serge

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Sep 23, 2000, 11:51:11 AM9/23/00
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Uh! a much simpler solution would be hiding 'em better

Mind you i don't like speed cameras, but i like the thought of the front number
plate on my bike even less

Serge

Clem Doherty wrote:

> Too greedy paulh!
> You might be able to drop 20k by the time it catches you, if you see it
> before you pass!
> Clem
> ~
> paulh <dee...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:6clmsssblh0r4fnn9...@4ax.com...
> > I'm staggered with the stupidity of not placing the cameras facing the
> REAR of
> > vehicles. Normal speed cameras do. How dumb can they get?
> >
> > paulh
> >
> >

> > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:07:48 GMT, "Larrikin" <larr...@mail.com> wrote:
> >

> > >See the news tonight. Vic Police are catching 800 motorists a day going

> > >through the city tunnel. They are real pissed cause they can't catch
> bikes

Stuart Dix

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Are you shitting me? Do you have a name in DoT?... I know a lot of people in
DoT and DME and I have not heard that rumor yet..... Again I've had a think
about where the plate could go on the front of the 955 but unless it goes
across the screen I can't see where it would fit....ARRGUH just when I
finally get anough money to afford a nice bike the government makes be
modify it to look ugly....

What we need is lots of wankers in fast cars getting caught doing over
250... That may just take enough attention off us for a bit.... One of my
clients has a big wanky porsche... I'll ask if I can borrow it to go down
the shops :)

Cheers
Stu D

Doug Cox

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Watch the coppers down there Trev. I got booked three times in 12 months
down there and haven't had a ticket on a bike since I moved back here in
'93.

Doug Cox
Work to ride, Ride to work...
Doug...@Bigpond.com
http://www.users.Bigpond.com/Doug_Cox/

Trevor S

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DOH ! Make my day ! :(

Trevor S who only ever speeds when he suffers peer group pressure from
Doug ! :) Bloody Trumpy riders :)

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Julie and Deb

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In article <39cdace1@grissom>,

"Stuart Dix" <eth...@eisa.net.au> wrote:
>
> Are you shitting me? Do you have a name in DoT?... I know a lot of
people in
> DoT and DME and I have not heard that rumor yet..... Again I've had a
think
> about where the plate could go on the front of the 955 but unless it
goes
> across the screen I can't see where it would fit....ARRGUH just when I
> finally get anough money to afford a nice bike the government makes be
> modify it to look ugly....
>
> What we need is lots of wankers in fast cars getting caught doing over
> 250... That may just take enough attention off us for a bit.... One
of my
> clients has a big wanky porsche... I'll ask if I can borrow it to go
down
> the shops :)
>
> Cheers
> Stu D


Info came from an MRAQ meeting a couple of weeks ago. Apparently also
under consideration to go before Parliament are compulsory flouro
safety vests over whatever you're wearing, and a further lowering of
sound levels for bike exhausts.

No, I'm not a member, I went along because of the Motorcycle Awareness
Week ride (all local bike clubs have been invited to attend), however
after hearing some of the political goings-on, I'm thinking about it -
the MRAQ has 5 members trying to look out for Qld motorcyclists.

If you're interested email them - I'm sure Dave will fill you in on
whatever's going on here. mra...@hotmail.com

Martin Taylor

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Sep 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/24/00
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Aaron said..

Aa> My main concern is how the hell are you expected to attach a #plate to
Aa> the front of something like a CBR250RR when there isn't anywhere to
Aa> stick it..

I'm sure that they'd find a way to attach it.

Aa> AND they'll look real ugly

The government won't be concerned with aesthetics. Only safety issues.

Aa> AND they'll prolly screw up the aerodynamics of bikes aswell.

Again, of no consequence. In any case, aerodynamics aren't all that
critical at legal highway speeds.

Still, if this becomes an issue, I hope you folks (who are in Vic) are
all MRA members.

.. Sign of modern chivalry: A man opening an automatic door for a lady..


MJT

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Gippsland, Victoria, Australia


Tony Dews

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One possibility 'they' were looking at over here, thankfully it looks like
its been passed over in the latest round of 'road safety initiatives' was to
fix some kind of bar code which could be read by computer when the image is
passed through it. Probably couldn't get the technology as yet but if they
ever do........

One thing came out of the meeting of the MRA I went to last year was that if
we want to put a stop to this coming about we have to find a valid reason.
Making the bike look ugly isn't quite going to matter to the powers that be.

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Matt

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I remember when I got my first road bike I was living in QLD, you had to
have a front number plate, the bike was a GPZ550 with a bikini fairing,
the dealer used one of the screws which held the screen to the fairing
to fix the number plate to the front of the bike !

Matt

Doug Cox

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"Tony Dews" <both_...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>

> One thing came out of the meeting of the MRA I went to last year was that
if
> we want to put a stop to this coming about we have to find a valid reason.
> Making the bike look ugly isn't quite going to matter to the powers that
be.

Why don't we just ask them to turn the cameras around?...

Tony Dews

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Problems with identifying the driver but with the owner-onus they've put in
place that might change.

Mental note: be aware of possible need to amend riding habits slightly.....

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Doug Cox

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"Tony Dews" <both_...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>
> Problems with identifying the driver but with the owner-onus they've put
in
> place that might change.
>
> Mental note: be aware of possible need to amend riding habits
slightly.....

Queensland puts the onus on the vehicle owner and has since cameras first
came in.

Steve Oxley

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G'day,

There are quite a few of them cameras on top of tall poles, all along
the free^H^H^H^Htoll way.

They aren't speed cameras - they're basically CCTV cameras so some guy
in a room full of tv screens can watch the traffic flow, and update
those electronic signs that say "X minutes to Y road". (If you've
seen the odd news segment about citylink, and they show some dark room
filled with TV screens, that's them.)

Steve

On Mon, 26 Sep 2000 02:53:44 +1000, Martin Taylor wrote:
>Tell me, for those who frequenct Citylink. On the outbound lanes, about
>2 km before Toorak Road, there's what appears to be a camera mounted on
>a 15-20 metre pole facing the traffic. Does anyone know its purpose?
>MJT

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Tony Dews wrote:
>
> Problems with identifying the driver but with the owner-onus they've put in
> place that might change.
>
> Mental note: be aware of possible need to amend riding habits slightly.....

So it was you @ 196k/h? :-)

Cheers
John
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Martin Taylor

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paulh said....

pa> I'm staggered with the stupidity of not placing the cameras facing the
pa> REAR of vehicles. Normal speed cameras do. How dumb can they get?

Does seem a bit silly.

Tell me, for those who frequenct Citylink. On the outbound lanes, about
2 km before Toorak Road, there's what appears to be a camera mounted on
a 15-20 metre pole facing the traffic. Does anyone know its purpose?


.. An elephant never forgets. After all, what does it have to remember?

Martin Taylor

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Sep 25, 2000, 1:12:38 PM9/25/00
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DJ said....

DJ> eventually we will have only one single difference between a
DJ> dictatorship and democracy - we vote the arseholes in and then they
DJ> shaft the fuck out of us. The words are 'power' and 'control' over
DJ> people, that is why pollies are in it.
DJ> Now I feel good and will go to bed.

That's all well and good for you. Hope you slept well. Now I won't,
seeing as you've fired me up, and sent waves of depression over me....

.. If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments.

Stuart Dix

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Mmmm.. I know about the noise regs and safety vest (que mental image of fred
gassit in safety mode) but I hadn't heard that front plates were back on....
If they reintroduced them would we not be the only OECD country with such
regs?

As for the noise and safety vest agendas they have been banging around for
years...The main problem with noise is tyre noise from cars not
motorcycles... Trouble is majority of voters drive cars and govt. has to be
seen to do something.....

I'll have to full the finger out and get involved with some of these
groups...

Cheers

Stu D

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Martin Taylor

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Matt said..

Ma> I remember when I got my first road bike I was living in QLD, you had
Ma> to have a front number plate, the bike was a GPZ550 with a bikini
Ma> fairing, the dealer used one of the screws which held the screen to the
Ma> fairing to fix the number plate to the front of the bike !

For faired bikes, I can't see it being too difficult to afix a number
plate inside the windscreen. That is how it was on my bikini faired
GSX1100 many moons ago.

Still, I hope that they don't try it. If nothing else, it would look
shithouse.

.. Meetings - the practical alternative to work..

Oz Twowheels

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Sep 26, 2000, 1:53:44 AM9/26/00
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If there a 2 boxes close to each other (within 10 mtrs) it probible its a
camera. we are getting heaps of them here in Sydney. If not then Doug's
probably right.
FYI. The CCTV traffic moniyors are not recorded as I have been informed by
the Sydney Traffic Watch. I was involved in a hit and run accident 2 months
ago and my hope was that the CCTV would have caught all the action so I
could nail the prick. Wrong.

Shannon Thomson
Oz Twowheels
(99 TL1000R) - once bent, now reborn.
Steve Oxley <vik...@valhalla.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote in message
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> G'day,
>
> There are quite a few of them cameras on top of tall poles, all along
> the free^H^H^H^Htoll way.
>
> They aren't speed cameras - they're basically CCTV cameras so some guy
> in a room full of tv screens can watch the traffic flow, and update
> those electronic signs that say "X minutes to Y road". (If you've
> seen the odd news segment about citylink, and they show some dark room
> filled with TV screens, that's them.)
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2000 02:53:44 +1000, Martin Taylor wrote:

> >Tell me, for those who frequenct Citylink. On the outbound lanes, about
> >2 km before Toorak Road, there's what appears to be a camera mounted on
> >a 15-20 metre pole facing the traffic. Does anyone know its purpose?

Tony Dews

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Nope, living in West Oz twould be hard to claim that honour. Did 220 on the
weekend tho....

:-)

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Tony Dews

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But who ever accused the pollies of being logical???
We are over here certainly favoured when it comes to speed cameras but I
do'nt think it will take much for the pollies to change their minds and make
some form of front ID for bikes compulsory.


"Melvin" <melanie...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:39d0...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> In that case, logic would dictate to the politicians that as long as
driver
> identification is the reason for front facing cameras, legislating for
front
> number plates on bikes (as previously suggested) would be a waste of time.
>
> "Sorry, but I'm not sure who was riding my bike 4 weeks ago at 180 kph
> through the tunnel. It could be any number of my friends in a black
leather
> jacket and black helmet with tinted visor. Prove it was me, and then I
will
> pay the fine."
>
> I love it! :-)
>
> Melanie
> Suzuki Across 250
>
>
> Tony Dews wrote in message


>
> > Problems with identifying the driver but with the owner-onus they've put
> in
> > place that might change.
> >
> > Mental note: be aware of possible need to amend riding habits
> slightly.....
> >

> > "Doug Cox" <Doug...@Bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:39cf38aa$0$26531$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> > > "Tony Dews" <both_...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> > > <snip>

> > > > One thing came out of the meeting of the MRA I went to last year was
> > that
> > > if
> > > > we want to put a stop to this coming about we have to find a valid
> > reason.
> > > > Making the bike look ugly isn't quite going to matter to the powers
> that
> > > be.
> > >
> > > Why don't we just ask them to turn the cameras around?...
> > >

Melvin

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James Gray

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The f*#king queue!!

James (the pacifist)
ZZR-250

Clem Doherty wrote:
> I would happily punch fuck outta' him [and the 239k qld
> dickless-idiot]......
> Clem
> (a peaceful man!)

Doug Cox

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"Melvin" <melanie...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>

> "Sorry, but I'm not sure who was riding my bike 4 weeks ago at 180 kph
> through the tunnel. It could be any number of my friends in a black
leather
> jacket and black helmet with tinted visor. Prove it was me, and then I
will
> pay the fine."

Doesn't work that way here in Qld. The owner of the vehicle is legally
responsible if the driver cannot be identified.

The onus is on the owner to know who is using their vehicle and at what
times/dates.

Julie and Deb

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Yeah, it's all a bit scary - particularly when we realise what an apathetic
bunch we Aussies are... She'll be right, the government will never do
that... yeah, right!

Hopefully the newly formed Australian Motorcycle Federation (combined group
of industry, sport and riding groups) will have some political pull, however
it needs the support of the riders at this basic level. We need to support
the people fighting for our particular passion...

oh gawd, now it looks like I gotta get me a soapbox, or a tub to thump...
damn!

--
Julie and Deb
(RF600R) (CBR600F3)
"Stuart Dix" <eth...@eisa.net.au> wrote in message news:39d00be6@grissom...

the voigtstr

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In article <39cf...@news.iprimus.com.au>,

"Tony Dews" <both_...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> One possibility 'they' were looking at over here, thankfully it looks
like
> its been passed over in the latest round of 'road safety initiatives'
was to
> fix some kind of bar code which could be read by computer when the
image is
> passed through it. Probably couldn't get the technology as yet but if
they
> ever do........
>
> One thing came out of the meeting of the MRA I went to last year was
that if
> we want to put a stop to this coming about we have to find a valid
reason.
> Making the bike look ugly isn't quite going to matter to the powers
that be.


Anything that changes the airflow to the radiator on a liquid cooled
bike has got to be a _bad_ thing TM.


Cheers
Simon

> > Info came from an MRAQ meeting a couple of weeks ago. Apparently
also
> > under consideration to go before Parliament are compulsory flouro
> > safety vests over whatever you're wearing, and a further lowering of
> > sound levels for bike exhausts.
> >
> > No, I'm not a member, I went along because of the Motorcycle
Awareness
> > Week ride (all local bike clubs have been invited to attend),
however
> > after hearing some of the political goings-on, I'm thinking about
it -
> > the MRAQ has 5 members trying to look out for Qld motorcyclists.
> >
> > If you're interested email them - I'm sure Dave will fill you in on
> > whatever's going on here. mra...@hotmail.com
> > --
> > Julie and Deb
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>

someone please buy the virago off me...
its got 12 months rego on it....

--
the voigtstr used to ride a Yamaha motorcycle named 'Buffy'......
I now ride an as yet unnamed TRX 850 ... it may answer to 'Buffy'
...voigtstr@optusnet.com.au......................................

Stuart Dix

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Julie and Deb wrote in message <39d1b0c...@nancy.pacific.net.au>...

>Yeah, it's all a bit scary - particularly when we realise what an apathetic
>bunch we Aussies are... She'll be right, the government will never do
>that... yeah, right!
>


Yep... I always thought that Australians were best described by the old TISM
song "I'm interested in Apathy". If you don't already know it have a listen
some time... it's farkin funny....


>Hopefully the newly formed Australian Motorcycle Federation (combined group
>of industry, sport and riding groups) will have some political pull,
however
>it needs the support of the riders at this basic level. We need to support
>the people fighting for our particular passion...
>
>oh gawd, now it looks like I gotta get me a soapbox, or a tub to thump...
>damn!
>


Time for a bex and a lie down :)

Cya

Stuart D.


Martin Taylor

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Sep 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/28/00
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Doug Cox said..

DC> "Tony Dews" <both_...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>


> Problems with identifying the driver but with the owner-onus they've put
>in place that might change.

DC> Queensland puts the onus on the vehicle owner and has since cameras
DC> first came in.

In Vic, the onus has ALWAYS been on the owner to 'fess up. Dunno what
Tony's talking about.

At work, it's been decreed that if anyone who's driving a company car
gets flashed, then it's the responsibility of the supervisor who's in
charge of that particular car to find out who the culprit is. If he
can't, he wears the fine. We're supposed to sign a log book every time
we go off site, but this hasn't been happening. Because of that, the
above's been implemented.

I personally don't know how that's stand up in court if the supervisor
decided to challenge it, particularly if someone found a speed camera
and decided to be spiteful.

It sort of takes away the "innocent til proved guilty" concept, I
reckon. If someone's driving a car that is registered to you, you cop
the fine if you honestly don't know who was driving it. I've heard of
people getting fines for offences that they could not have possibly
committed, because they were not there, or the car's plate was
misinterpreted, or whatever. One lady rang in to the ABC one morning
complaining that her elderly father had gotten a fine for speeding. The
poor bugger doesn't own a car. Apparently, someone has a car registered
to his name, yet when they complained, neither the police nor Vicroads
were interested in doing anything about it.


.. Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines.

Julie and Deb

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more like a good stiff drink....

--
Julie and Deb
(RF600R) (CBR600F3)

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Martin Taylor

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Melvin said..

Me> "Sorry, but I'm not sure who was riding my bike 4 weeks ago at 180 kph
Me> through the tunnel. It could be any number of my friends in a black
Me> leather jacket and black helmet with tinted visor. Prove it was me,
Me> and then I will pay the fine."

Me> I love it! :-)

Unfortunately, Melanie, Melvin or whoever you are, in Victoria, it
doesn't work that way. The onus is on you to prove who the driver was.

If you can prove conclusively that you were somewhere else at the time,
then perhaps. But this means you're in court, defending your, or
someone else's actions.


.. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you.

Tony Dews

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We haven't has owner-onus here in W.A. up until now.......

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Hobbezai!

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They actually managed to get it through this time, Tony?

I thought the resource companies were successfully lobbying the
National Party to vote against the legislation.

Fucking fan-tastic. Start looking for rear-ward facing Multanovas
boys, and better flip that rego disc down across yer numberplate...

Greg
'96 GSX-R750T

Tony Dews

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Done!!

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