ZZR1100 Surging/dying Problems
Martin Taylor
(Melbourne), and others from the Latrobe Valley.
Drizzly ride to about Briagalong, then it started to fine up. It was
more or less dry for the all importanty twisty bits into Dargo.
On the way home, it was dry, but windy.
However, the bike, a 90 Kawasaki ZZR1100 started playing up. It was
losing power, then picking up again on an irregular basis. I'm
suspecting that one of the safety switches associated with the neutral
switch, sidestand switch and the clutch is playing up. However, I'm not
totally sure that it's electrical. Usually, when the ignition cuts out,
and while still having an open throttle, the thing will backfire when
the ignition is comes back on. It wasn't doing this at all. Which leads
me to also suspect fuel starvation.
Anyone had any experience with this? My first option is to bridge out
all the switches and see if the problem occurs again. The thing is, it
happens only occasionally, and usually when on a long trip.
Other than that, it's an excellent ride, and one that I can recommend.
Dargo Hotel is nice, with 4 log cabins out the back and room to sleep 6
in bunks and a couple in a separate double bed room. $30 a head. There's
also the Dargo Tavern. Dunno what it's like. Like the Dargo Hotel, it's
been done up recently. The place gets a lot of 4WDs, dirt bike riders
and the usual sporting shooters.
Dargo is 180 km from Traralgon, which in turn is 160 km east of
Melbourne.
A suggested ride from Melbourne would be out to Yarra Junction, then to
Noogee, back towards Warragul, then onto the Baw Baw road. Turn off and
head to Yallourn North near Rawson. Or you can detour to Walhalla for
lunch. Then head out to Tyers, Glengarry, Heyfield, Maffra, Boisdale,
Briagalong, and out to Dargo.
Most of this is twisty stuff. The bit between Tyers and Maffra's more or
less flat and open. However, after that, the roads narrow considerably,
and take you through some natural bush. You have to be careful along
these bits, as there is no room on the sealed bit for car and bike. Car
usually has to pull left to allow you room.
.. Be nice to your kids for they will choose your nursing home.
MJT
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Gippsland, Victoria, Australia
Len Pattenden
Sounds like it could be some filth in your carbs if you *really* think
it's a fuel starvation thing. My first thought was you have a coil that is
earthing.
Len...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2000, Martin Taylor wrote:
> Drizzly ride to about Briagalong, then it started to fine up. It was
> more or less dry for the all importanty twisty bits into Dargo.
>
> On the way home, it was dry, but windy.
>
> However, the bike, a 90 Kawasaki ZZR1100 started playing up. It was
> losing power, then picking up again on an irregular basis. I'm
> suspecting that one of the safety switches associated with the neutral
> switch, sidestand switch and the clutch is playing up.
> the ignition is comes back on. It wasn't doing this at all. Which leads
ada...@my-deja.com
Could be the switches that you mentioned, fuel starvation, or a heap of
other things.
Maybe think about the conditions: Was it hot (after a long ride it
should be), was the tank empty/full, were you under an additional
amount of load at that point (hill climb), etc etc. It could be so many
different things but I would guess at heat and load pointing toward
something more specific. Switches would be more of a problem over bumps
(movement of the contacts/wires) rather than heat related, but not all
problems occur by the book!
(now you're scrathcing your head, aren't you?)
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Before you buy.
Hammo
Best of luck
Hammo
Kiwi Rider
The same symptoms happened to me on my old GPX 600 .
Found that the bowl thingy that the fuel goes thru on its way to the carbs
had water in the bottom.
Problem was a bit of water in the fuel tank and because it was a long ride
we were going hard out for stretches of time and the fuel in the bowl
thingy(dont know proper name) was getting real low.
It would get low to the point of the water in the bottom being sucked thru..
bike surged...died...stopped on side of road scratching head...
After a minute or two it would fire up perfectly and go for 30 mins or so b4
happening all over again.
In the end this bike boffin told me that we were riding hard and the bowl
thingy couldnt keep full enough to feed clean fuel to engine and the water
in he bottom was going thru.
Thats why when we stopped it would fill up again and we would be sweet..
We just took the thing apart and tipped the water out.
Dunno if it helped you but it gave me something to babble about
Glen
Stay Upright
VFR 750..
mick
it will help brake the water down if that's the problem
>:)
mick
"Martin Taylor" <mta...@gipps.com.au> wrote in message
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Simon & Heidi Young
could have been carb. icing. Some Kawa models were known to have a bit
of a problem there weren't they
Simon
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Martin Taylor
LP> Sounds like it could be some filth in your carbs if you *really* think
LP> it's a fuel starvation thing. My first thought was you have a coil
LP> that is earthing.
The thing is, I don't know if it's fuel or electrical. I'm more or less
thinking out loud, trying to nut it out. I was hoping that if my bike is
suffering a problem that is perhaps a trait of this machine, someone
else here may have seen it.
Today, when I went for a ride, the first since Sunday, it ran fine. It
usually does. This "missing" only happens once in a while. And Sunday
was the first time that it was prolonged.
I'd love it if these problems cropped up as you were entering the bike
shop's workshop or your own driveway. It would make it damned easier to
fix, then.
.. Headline: Kids Make Nutritious Snack
Martin Taylor
Ha> The time the Z13 did it it was the igniter box which died after a
Ha> week.
Ha> Best of luck
Thanks Hammo. Hopefully, it's something as simple as a flaky safety
switch. They're easy to bridge out...
.. Headline: Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
Clem Doherty
If it's a blocked filter or tap-strainer it should be pretty obviously
associated with prolonged heavy throttle use.
Electrical problems are generally very abrupt/jerky.
Is it dropping one pot? (like when you run onto reserve... kinda rough and
unbalanced.)
Good luck .... Clem
~> Len Pattenden said..
>
> LP> Sounds like it could be some filth in your carbs if you *really*
think
> LP> it's a fuel starvation thing. My first thought was you have a coil
> LP> that is earthing.
>
> The thing is, I don't know if it's fuel or electrical. I'm more or less
> thinking out loud, trying to nut it out. I was hoping that if my bike is
> suffering a problem that is perhaps a trait of this machine, someone
> else here may have seen it.
>
> Today, when I went for a ride, the first since Sunday, it ran fine. It
> usually does. This "missing" only happens once in a while. And Sunday
> was the first time that it was prolonged.
>
> I'd love it if these problems cropped up as you were entering the bike
> shop's workshop or your own driveway. It would make it damned easier to
> fix, then.
>
>
> .. Headline: Kids Make Nutritious Snack
>
>
Martin Taylor
S&HY> could have been carb. icing. Some Kawa models were known to have
S&HY> a bit of a problem there weren't they
That's true, but it wasn't cold enough for it. Besides, if it didn't do
it for me the last time I crossed Mt. Hotham, then it's not going to do
it. Besides, the power seemed to come back on with a rush, which is
starting to eliminate fuel as a problem.
I'm going to have to spend a day giving the bike a decent service. It
hasn't had one since I bought it, 18 months ago. Who knows what crap
lyeth in the carby bowels (or bowls if you don't appreciate my dry
humor).
.. The problem with the gene pool is there is no lifeguard.
Larrikin
Peter
'00 TLR
"Brian Kelleher" <gree...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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> I missed the first part of this posting, but way back in '93 when I bought
> a new zzr1100D1, occassionally it would cut out completely for a
> split-second, then come back in with a bang. Mechanic at the dealer I
> bought it from suggested he had heard of it before, and it would most
> likely stem from the sidestand cutout switch - maybe worth a look ?
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
>
> Martin Taylor <mta...@gipps.com.au> wrote in article
> <0000...@bigpond.com>...
> > Simon & Heidi Young said..
> >
> > S&HY> could have been carb. icing. Some Kawa models were known to have
> > S&HY> a bit of a problem there weren't they
> >
> > That's true, but it wasn't cold enough for it. Besides, if it didn't do
> > it for me the last time I crossed Mt. Hotham, then it's not going to do
> > it. Besides, the power seemed to come back on with a rush, which is
> > starting to eliminate fuel as a problem.
> >
> > I'm going to have to spend a day giving the bike a decent service. It
> > hasn't had one since I bought it, 18 months ago. Who knows what crap
> > lyeth in the carby bowels (or bowls if you don't appreciate my dry
> > humor).
> >
> >
> >
> > .. The problem with the gene pool is there is no lifeguard.
> >
> >
Martin Taylor
BK> I missed the first part of this posting, but way back in '93 when I
BK> bought a new zzr1100D1, occassionally it would cut out completely for a
BK> split-second, then come back in with a bang. Mechanic at the dealer I
BK> bought it from suggested he had heard of it before, and it would most
BK> likely stem from the sidestand cutout switch - maybe worth a look ?
Yep, that's what's happening. But it doesn't come back with a bang, more
of a resurgance. Normally, if you kill the ignition, and then turn it
back on again, you get a backfire out of the muffler(s). This is not
occuring.
I'll be checking, and if necessary, bypassing the side stand switch. I
couldn't believe all the crap that they fitted to the 1100. It's not as
if it's a novice bike or anything.
Meanwhile, this will give me an excuse to pull tanks off, sidecovers
off, fairings to bits and generally "explore" the bike. I've more or
less just filled and ridden it since I got it. Other bikes I've owned,
I've had engines out, heads off, etc. I'm on rec leave and the weather
for the next week looks shitty. So, it will give me the excuse to
tinker.
.. The penalty for bigamy is TWO mothers-in-law.