Helmets in petrol stations?
Porl
front windows of petrol stations. I know it's a longish story, but bear
with me.
A couple of years ago, I used to refuel my bike at the same petrol station,
on average once a week, usually at the same time of day. After a while the
cashier began to recognise me, as you would expect him to do with any
regular customer. One day (bright daylight, service station busy with
customers) I walked in to pay for my fuel WITH MY HELMET ON, having pulled
up on the same bike as usual, same leathers, helmet etc., and with a $20
note IN HAND approached the counter. Cue instant panicked expression on
face of cashier, followed by abuse for daring to wear my helmet inside.
This rocket scientist suggested I might have been going to rob him (by
threatening to throw my $20 note at him perhaps?). He then went on at
length about how it was illegal to wear my helmet in there "didn't you see
the sign?", and he would call the police if it happened again. Five days
later, I tried the same thing, but this time I rang the cops first to find
out the truth. The Sergeant I spoke to told me those signs are put there by
the petrol companies, and are part of company policy and have nothing to do
with the law. He did suggest the cashier might refuse entry (lock the
door), but there would be little point in calling the police to enforce
petrol company policy. So, this time when I copped the abuse from the brain
surgeon behind the counter (Again for trying to conduct an armed robbery
using legal tender), I told him what I knew. Guess what his reply was? He
knew all along that there was no law against wearing a helmet inside the
petrol station, and had been told by his boss.
Fast forward a few years....
This winter, now living in another suburb, and again being a regular, well
recognised customer of a petrol station 400 metres from home, the following
occurred.
One particularly cold wet morning, I stopped for petrol on the way to work,
and not wanting to suffer the usual cold water down the back of the neck on
removing my helmet, I decided not to. Again - daylight, same bike, same wet
weather gear I had been wearing for seemingly months etc... Walked inside
to a wall of abuse from the young girl behind the counter, same threats of
calling the police because it's illegal. I told her it was only company
policy not law, and she shut up. 4 days later just to be a prick, I walked
to just inside to door with my helmet on, and while out of sight of the
counter, swapped it for A BLACK BALACLAVA!! This made much less of my face
visible than my full face helmet, but guess what? No comments from anyone!
Must be because there is no sign specifically discriminating against the
wearing of balaclavas in petrol stations.
One lucky thing though. We haven't yet (I hope) in this country got gun
wielding maniacs BEHIND service station counters who tend to shoot
suspicious looking (helmet wearing) cash paying customers before yelling
abuse at them.
Anyone know about the legality of this in other states? Wearing helmets
inside, not shooting people, we all know shooting people is legal.
Porl
CBR 600 FY
Adelaide
John Olive
agro of thinking it may be a hold up. they are on minimum wage give them a
break.
John Olive
James R850R
Porl wrote in message <3a0c...@newsserver1.picknowl.com.au>...
>We've all noticed (occaisionally ignored??) the "No helmets" signs on the
>front windows of petrol stations. I know it's a longish story, but bear
>with me.
If anyone finds themselves facing the court over wearing their helmet, then
the prosecution will be trying to prove that there was "Intent to conceal
identity".
Wearing sunglasses can be illegal if "intent to conceal identity" can be
proved.
(along a similar vein, a screwdriver is a concealable weapon if "intent" can
be proved.)
Some petrol stations solve the very real security problem that they have,
by having a little window between the forecourt and the cashier.
The sticker on the door is cheap and makes the staff think that their
employer cares about their safety.
Well there's my spleen vented for today.
James
Andrew
open face helmet. I have worn it opened in a few petrol stations, and have
never received any agro about it. I think it is probably a bit more
comforting for service station staff if they can see most of my face. It
also helps to smile. :-) Neither of which is really possible with a
full-face helmet.
- Andrew
Deevo
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> We've all noticed (occaisionally ignored??) the "No helmets" signs on the
> front windows of petrol stations. I know it's a longish story, but bear
> with me.
<snip story>
I had a similar experience with the local BP here. Odd you might think
becayse I have lived in the area for 10 years, always used to go there to
fill up my car and I wear an open face helmet. When this guy said to me
"You can't wear that in here." I straight away said "Well I guess I wont
have reason to come here again." What a frigging wanker.
--
Deevo
Geraldton WA
1982 GT750 Kwak
www.wn.com.au/mckenzie
Col H
a right pain in winter removing both gloves, then unwedging the glasses out
of a full face, finding a non-wet safe place to put glasses while removing
helmet. just to give em the $5 i have put in a pocket for quick access ..
and then reversing the whole damn process.
yes i have been abused on a few occassions got this, even at my regular
station where the guy knows me very well. because he knows me well i guess
that gave him reason to yell it at me in front of about 10 people.
like what idiot is going to hold up a servo that knows him in front of 10
witnesses. I had suspected that the signs wheren't 'the LAW' .. this dick
is going to see a lot of me helemeted in future. stuff him. he's about
bloody 50 .. hmm, just realised i haven't seen him there in ages.
he probably had a heart attack.
i wonder how many servo's have EVER been held up my people with helmets on
who ride in on a motorcycle.
"John Olive" <xim...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Kitzo
My reply is always the same, "yeah I know" and hand over the money
ignoring anything else they say.
Fuck em....
--
Cheers
Vic 1998 ZX6R
'00 or Perhaps a '01 VTR1000 SP1 - still on order
John Vincent
inconsiderate...its a pretty sensible policy.
John
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Zebee Johnstone
John Vincent <j-vi...@adfa.edu.au> wrote:
>yeah see it from their point of view! I reckon thats pretty
>inconsiderate...its a pretty sensible policy.
>
On the other hand, the owners of the place could have *real* security.
A BP I know of doesn't have a helmet sticker, it has wire rope at
several levels above the counter, so someone can't climb over and get
to the person at the register. OThers have perspex like at banks or
some RTA offices.
They have alarms as well.
Banning lids is just a false sense of security. Nothing to stop a
person with a hooded sweatshirt and sunglasses walking right in afer
all....
It's just there to make the poor minimum wage guys feel a bit better,
and maybe help them forget the owner doesn't really give a shit and
won't spend money on their safety.
Most of 'em are casuals of course, and not union members. If they
went and found a nice militant union they could get the occ health
safety stuff fixed which would include proper security.
Zebee
James R850R
Zebee Johnstone wrote in message ...
>In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:12:44 +1100
>Banning lids is just a false sense of security. Nothing to stop a
>person with a hooded sweatshirt and sunglasses walking right in afer
>all....
>
>It's just there to make the poor minimum wage guys feel a bit better,
>and maybe help them forget the owner doesn't really give a shit and
>won't spend money on their safety.
>
>Most of 'em are casuals of course, and not union members. If they
>went and found a nice militant union they could get the occ health
>safety stuff fixed which would include proper security.
>
>Zebee
Zebee strikes the nail straight on the head as usual
James
OldRoader
electronic door opener when they see me approach with money in hand,
helmet on head. I must be an intimidating and unidentifiable sight in
my distinctive helmet and leathers. Unlike the baseball cap and
sunglasses brigade or for that matter, those wonderful preservers of
life and limb who toughen up with the manatory sunglasses, who must don
their hats/caps when out of their Revenue Collectomobile and all wear a
strikingly similar uniform.
I now do as the process servers do and leave the money at the (locked)
door.
Can't hack the fear and terror of dealing with the public? Get a
different job. No-one is forcing you to work in that lack-of-service
station.
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Before you buy.
Dennis Clem
> Porl <paula...@picknowl.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3a0c...@newsserver1.picknowl.com.au...
> > We've all noticed (occaisionally ignored??) the "No helmets" signs on the
> > front windows of petrol stations. I know it's a longish story, but bear
> > with me.
>
> <snip story>
>
> I had a similar experience with the local BP here. Odd you might think
> becayse I have lived in the area for 10 years, always used to go there to
> fill up my car and I wear an open face helmet. When this guy said to me
> "You can't wear that in here." I straight away said "Well I guess I wont
> have reason to come here again." What a frigging wanker.
> --
> Deevo
>
>
>
The same thing happened to me in Sherwood (Brisbane) about 3 years ago.
Same open face helmet, been going there for years, even knew the guy by
his first name. Never been back since.
cheers,
Dennis.
Clifford Jones
her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a bank,
but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet, it makes
life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets face it is
pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is that they
all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and counters. I
know what I would prefer.
Cliff
Hamish Alker-Jones
I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he worked.
I have been shot by accident.
I've cried after a girlfriend left me.
Whats your point?
Hammo
mick
>
> Hammo
are you sure it was an accident Hammo and not somebody from this NG
Mick
(now putting on full bulit proof body armour and hiding)
paulh
wrote:
>I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
>I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
>I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he worked.
>I have been shot by accident.
I find that hard to believe... the accident part I mean..
paulh
Rick Stadelmaier
ha...@ihug.com.au wrote:
> I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
> I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
> I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he
worked.
> I have been shot by accident.
Thats all very unfortunate.
Though you should know better than most, that anything, no matter how
small, which could prevent a disaster has to be worthwhile.
> Whats your point?
You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to remove
your helmet, you do it, without question.
You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
I don't see a problem.
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
equ...@pip.com.au
> Hammo
>
> Clifford Jones wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine was held up at gunpoint by a robber. Twice. To say
it made
> > her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a
bank,
> > but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet,
it makes
> > life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets
face it is
> > pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is
that they
> > all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and
counters. I
> > know what I would prefer.
> >
> > Cliff
>
>
Rick Stadelmaier
"Doug Cox" <Doug...@Bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > If the garage has a rule and wants you to remove
> > your helmet, you do it, without question.
>
Yep. It ain't my property, so I can't question it. I respect what is
others, whether I agree with the rules or not.
> I find it gets me to the head of the que quicker.
Great, but what makes you think you need to get to the front any quicker
than anyone else in the store.
> When all the cage pilots are lining up with the plastic in hand and
the twat
> behind the counter yells 'You can't wear that in here!' I take
advantage of
> the fact that I now have her undivided attention, slap the correct
change on
> the counter, say what pump it's for and I'm on my way.
>
> Fuckin' great rule, I reckon...
Yeh right...... Excellent.
I wonder what you would say if someone didn't do what you wished in your
home. That would make you the twat, no?
Rick.
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.pip.com.au/~equinox
equ...@pip.com.au
Doug Cox
> If the garage has a rule and wants you to remove
> your helmet, you do it, without question.
No, *you* do it without question.
I find it gets me to the head of the que quicker.
When all the cage pilots are lining up with the plastic in hand and the twat
behind the counter yells 'You can't wear that in here!' I take advantage of
the fact that I now have her undivided attention, slap the correct change on
the counter, say what pump it's for and I'm on my way.
Fuckin' great rule, I reckon...
Doug Cox
Work to ride, Ride to work...
Doug...@Bigpond.com
http://www.users.Bigpond.com/Doug_Cox/
DJ
>
> In article <3A0FD4B8...@ihug.com.au>,
> ha...@ihug.com.au wrote:
> > I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
> > I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
> > I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he
> worked.
> > I have been shot by accident.
> > I've cried after a girlfriend left me.
>
> Thats all very unfortunate.
> Though you should know better than most, that anything, no matter how
> small, which could prevent a disaster has to be worthwhile.
>
> > Whats your point?
>
> your helmet, you do it, without question.
>
> I don't see a problem.
>
The problem is that the signs do not say -
'Please remove all face masking items you may be wearing before
entering.'
These would include sun-glasses, balaclavas [ski-masks], other helmets,
etc.
Instead they single out motorcyclists.
Geoff Hansford
"Clifford Jones" <cliff...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:RtPP5.47440$e5.5...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> A friend of mine was held up at gunpoint by a robber. Twice. To say it
made
> her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a bank,
> but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet, it
makes
> life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets face it
is
> pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is that they
> all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and counters.
I
> know what I would prefer.
I prefer they hide behind bullet proof windows and counters actually... YMMV
of course...
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"Rick Stadelmaier" <rick_e...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3A0FD4B8...@ihug.com.au>,
> ha...@ihug.com.au wrote:
>
> You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to remove
> your helmet, you do it, without question.
Actually if that was the case, then I would. However it isn't the garage
that has a rule, it is the network of service stations... that removes my
freedom of choice to go to a garage without a helmet rule.
> You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
I tell visitors in my home to treat my place as if it was thier own, I do
_not_ impose my own rules on them.. I can think of nothing ruder actually.
> I don't see a problem.
YMMV
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"DJ" <dj...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>
> The problem is that the signs do not say -
> 'Please remove all face masking items you may be wearing before
> entering.'
> These would include sun-glasses, balaclavas [ski-masks], other helmets,
> etc.
> Instead they single out motorcyclists.
Also... the signs are pictorial and show a full face helmet with the
international red crosses circle through it. If I wear an open face helmet
(which means my face can be seen on a security camera) and they still tell
me "take that off you can't wear that in here!" then I quite rightly get
peeved.
The signs do _not_ show open face helmets and more than they show push bike
helmets...
Geoff Hansford
Hamish Alker-Jones
paulh wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:47:04 +1100, Hamish Alker-Jones <ha...@ihug.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
> >I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
> >I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he worked.
> >I have been shot by accident.
>
> I find that hard to believe... the accident part I mean..
Yeah, a guy at a servo thought I was gonna hold him up!
Nah, I was shooting fish in a barrel, back when I was young and silly.
Hammo
>
>
> paulh
Hamish Alker-Jones
Rick Stadelmaier wrote:
>
>
> Thats all very unfortunate.
> Though you should know better than most, that anything, no matter how
> small, which could prevent a disaster has to be worthwhile.
Hmmm, another person that is unaware of entropy, chaos and human nature (no
Aaron, not the band).
>
>
> > Whats your point?
>
> You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to remove
> your helmet, you do it, without question.
> You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
I dont sell things from home, my visitors are aware that I like them to do
as they please when at my place. The only time I get annoyed with visitors
is when they travel for hours and saty and dont eat the suckling pig that I
have been cooking all night for them to feast on.
>
>
> I don't see a problem.
Thats lucky, other wise I'd suggest you make an appointment with an
optometrist.
Hammo
John Olive
John Olive
"Clifford Jones" <cliff...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:RtPP5.47440$e5.5...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> A friend of mine was held up at gunpoint by a robber. Twice. To say it
made
> her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a bank,
> but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet, it
makes
> life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets face it
is
> pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is that they
> all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and counters.
I
> know what I would prefer.
>
> Cliff
>
>
Rick Stadelmaier
> > You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to
remove
> > your helmet, you do it, without question.
>
> Actually if that was the case, then I would. However it isn't the
garage
> that has a rule, it is the network of service stations... that removes
my
> freedom of choice to go to a garage without a helmet rule.
Whats the difference?
> > You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
>
> I tell visitors in my home to treat my place as if it was thier own, I
do
> _not_ impose my own rules on them.. I can think of nothing ruder
actually.
I must be rude then. I demand visitors go by my rules.
Telling people to do as they would in there own home does not always
work, we don't all have the same standards.
I really don't know what all the excitement is about (besides the
freedom of choice and all that), I mean I always take off my lid anyway,
I spose mainly because I feel like a dork walking around with it on if
I'm not on the bike. Hey, maybe a I am a dork anyway.......
Lighten up guys.....
Rick.
--
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
Zebee Johnstone
Clifford Jones <cliff...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>A friend of mine was held up at gunpoint by a robber. Twice. To say it made
>her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a bank,
>but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet, it makes
>life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets face it is
>pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is that they
>all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and counters. I
>know what I would prefer.
>
So why jsut helmets?
Point is that all robbers don't wear bike helmets.
So while the cashier might feel safer if you didn't have your helmet
in, it's not real safety, they aren't safe.
I'd ratehr they were safe.
Zebee
Porl
> Rick Stadelmaier wrote:
> >
> > In article <3A0FD4B8...@ihug.com.au>,
> > ha...@ihug.com.au wrote:
> > >
> >
>
> The problem is that the signs do not say -
> 'Please remove all face masking items you may be wearing before
> entering.'
> These would include sun-glasses, balaclavas [ski-masks], other helmets,
> etc.
> Instead they single out motorcyclists.
My point exactly - refer to my (lengthy) original post with particular
attention to the BLACK BALACLAVA bit near the end.
BTW, my post was intended as a bit of fun, but the story is true, and yep, I
do respect what other people would like me to do, but not to the point of
putting myself out for every other person, all of the time, just most
people, most of the time. As many replies have argued, the employees at the
(non) service stations have rights too, but remember the other side of the
coin - so does everyone else.
Porl
Katana
it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
The girl at my more regular fuel stop (mainly coz she's DAMN CUTE!)
always says "thanks for taking your helmet off" - hey I figure if it
makes her feel better (and I get a cute smile) then great! :)
I mean really... it's not THAT much effort... ok it's not the law... so
what!? you see somebody coming through a stop sign do you try to stop
or continue on to plow into them knowing they "I didnt break the law"
(maybe not the best example but you know what Im getting at here!)
what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
--
John McClumpha
1994 Katana 250cc (grey Import)
http://www.incitegraphics.com.au/unleashed/
Porl
"James R850R" <inkybl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Porl wrote in message <3a0c...@newsserver1.picknowl.com.au>...
> >We've all noticed (occaisionally ignored??) the "No helmets" signs on the
> >front windows of petrol stations. I know it's a longish story, but bear
> >with me.
>
> If anyone finds themselves facing the court over wearing their helmet,
then
> the prosecution will be trying to prove that there was "Intent to conceal
> identity".
>
> Wearing sunglasses can be illegal if "intent to conceal identity" can be
> proved.
>
> (along a similar vein, a screwdriver is a concealable weapon if "intent"
can
> be proved.)
>
> <snip>
> James
>
One problem for the prosecution in you hypothetical court case: "intent to
conceal identity"..." for the purpose of" would be the next bit, followed
by the case falling apart because it would be something like "intent to
conceal identity for the purpose of paying for petrol with legal tender"
(which BTW is bleedingly obvious by the presence of a $20 note in the
accused's hand - visible on the security camera.)
Porl
Mike OConnor
Katana wrote:
>
> The girl at my more regular fuel stop (mainly coz she's DAMN CUTE!)
> always says "thanks for taking your helmet off"
Funny... mine says "Please put that helmet back on..."
Mike
R100RS
Theo Bekkers
Rick Stadelmaier wrote
> ha...@ihug.com.au wrote:
> > I have been shot by accident.
Accident?
> Thats all very unfortunate.
> Though you should know better than most, that anything, no matter how
> small, which could prevent a disaster has to be worthwhile.
We should stop riding bikes?
> > Whats your point?
> You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
I have a sister-in-law who insists everyone takes their shoes off at the
door of her house. I don't go there.
> I don't see a problem.
I see two problems.
1. I wear a helmet, jacket and gloves as part of my motorcycling attire. I
think it is unreasonable to have remove any of those items when buying fuel
for my bike. Peter Wherrett (remember him) always wears that funny cap when
he is driving, do you think he should be asked to remove it when paying for
his fuel?
2. I believe that "no helmet" signs reinforce the public's perception of
motorcyclists as dangerous, untrustworthy people. Do you believe you are
more likely to be robbed by some one who wears a helmet or a leather jacket?
I had an occasion where an attendant threatened to refuse to serve me. After
I pointed out to him that I already had the fuel and he didn't yet have my
money he relented. :-)
Cheers
Theo
Doug Cox
> Great, but what makes you think you need to get to the front any quicker
> than anyone else in the store.
I don't need to. It's just that I can.
> I wonder what you would say if someone didn't do what you wished in your
> home. That would make you the twat, no?
My house is not open to the public.
Dale Porter
news:8uq4f0$u3l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> now c'mon people....
>
> it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
> servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
>
> The girl at my more regular fuel stop (mainly coz she's DAMN CUTE!)
> always says "thanks for taking your helmet off" - hey I figure if it
> makes her feel better (and I get a cute smile) then great! :)
>
> I mean really... it's not THAT much effort... ok it's not the law... so
> what!? you see somebody coming through a stop sign do you try to stop
> or continue on to plow into them knowing they "I didnt break the law"
> (maybe not the best example but you know what Im getting at here!)
>
> what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
Here here.
Dale Porter (1992 CBR600 F2)
IRC Nick: _Panther_
ICQ: 3793015
Theo Bekkers
DJ wrote
> The problem is that the signs do not say -
> 'Please remove all face masking items you may be wearing before
> entering.'
> These would include sun-glasses, balaclavas [ski-masks], other helmets,
> etc.
> Instead they single out motorcyclists.
My point exactly.
I have stopped at servos and been served (food and drink) without question
whilst wearing a helmet, Oakley Factory Pilots and full bicycling regalia.
Much better masking that the open face Nolan. Nobody said a word. Why? I was
not a motorcyclist and therefore not dangerous.
Cheers
Theo
Geoff Hansford
>
> > > You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to
> remove
> > > your helmet, you do it, without question.
> >
> > Actually if that was the case, then I would. However it isn't the
> garage
> > that has a rule, it is the network of service stations... that removes
> my
> > freedom of choice to go to a garage without a helmet rule.
>
> Whats the difference?
The difference if it was the staff in the garage choosing to say no helmets
then I could always take my business elsewhere... becuase it is a huge chain
of service stations they all do it so I can't excercise freedom of choice
and take my business to a servo that doesn't discriminate against
motorcyclists...
> > > You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
> >
> > I tell visitors in my home to treat my place as if it was thier own, I
> do
> > _not_ impose my own rules on them.. I can think of nothing ruder
> actually.
>
> I must be rude then. I demand visitors go by my rules.
Sounds like it ;-)
> Telling people to do as they would in there own home does not always
> work, we don't all have the same standards.
This is true, but I don't invite people that don't have similar standards in
the first place...
> I really don't know what all the excitement is about (besides the
> freedom of choice and all that), I mean I always take off my lid anyway,
> I spose mainly because I feel like a dork walking around with it on if
> I'm not on the bike. Hey, maybe a I am a dork anyway.......
It's about being a member of a minority group and being discriminated
against. Not just about freedom of choice. For many years now while oz has
had high profile motorcycle racers winning world championships the
anti-motorcycling sentiment has been unable to gain a hearing... things were
_not_ nice some 20 or 30 years ago when all sorts of groups saw
motorcyclists as easy targets. Since oz biking has starting to lose a
little of the glitz and glamour associated with racing and support from high
profile lobby groups small intrusions (the thin edge of the wedge on might
assume) are starting to crop up in various places again. If people are
sensitive on these issues it is because they do _not_ want things to return
(even part way) to the way things were before....
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"Theo Bekkers" <th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
> I had an occasion where an attendant threatened to refuse to serve me.
After
> I pointed out to him that I already had the fuel and he didn't yet have my
> money he relented. :-)
I too have done this on occasion... once the attendant refused to take my
money and threatened to call the police. Needless to say when I pointed out
that he was refusing to take my money and asked him what he expected me to
be charged with he was rather confused :)
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
>
> it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
> servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
It's discrimination John... just like any other discrimination.
Discrimination is _bad_ whatever and whenever it occurs.
> The girl at my more regular fuel stop (mainly coz she's DAMN CUTE!)
> always says "thanks for taking your helmet off" - hey I figure if it
> makes her feel better (and I get a cute smile) then great! :)
So you do it because a cute girl smiles at you... I don't have a cute girl
at the local servo, does that mean I don't have to do it?
> I mean really... it's not THAT much effort... ok it's not the law... so
> what!? you see somebody coming through a stop sign do you try to stop
> or continue on to plow into them knowing they "I didnt break the law"
> (maybe not the best example but you know what Im getting at here!)
I think what you are getting at is an inncorect analogy, a closer analogy
would be the sexual discrimination practised in some offices where wimmen
and men are not allowed the same hair or dress styles. I'm a guy, I can't
wear my hair long if the business says short hair, but a woman can... the
equal oportunity tribunual even said basically "thats ok... it's what
society expects even if it isn't strictly speaking equal". Personally I
think that sucks too!
> what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
Courtesy needs to come from both sides, the people behind counters that ask
politely for me to remove my full face helmet get a polite "ok", the smart
arse wankers that tell me to remove it get smart arse comments. Open face
helmets are a different matter, the stickers show a full face helmet not an
open face. Polite requests to remove an open face get a polite refusal and
an explanation of the sticker on the door, smart arse's get what they
deserve.
Geoff Hansford
Jonathan Lockyer
The thing that I've found interesting with the many replies to the
original post on this topic is that some people have made reference to
the fact that petrol station staff are on low wages. I'm not sure
where this fits into things. Mabye I misse something? I just wonder
where the connection between the 'no helmets' signs & a person's salary
is? I guess most people would say they're on a low salary anyway,
thinking they deserve more, which is fair enough. Let's hope the
petrol stations don't increase the price of fuel to compensate their
low wage staff.
Whether you take your helmet off or not, it still seems like robbery
when you pay for petrol at over a dollar a litre...
Geoff Hansford
"Dale Porter" <dalep...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >
> > what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
>
> Here here.
I on the other hand have never been known for my courtesy LOL
Geoff Hansford
Theo Bekkers
Hamish wrote
> Nah, I was shooting fish in a barrel, back when I was young and silly.
I've seen you do that here.
:-)
Theo
Zebee Johnstone
Jonathan Lockyer <high...@one.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>The thing that I've found interesting with the many replies to the
>original post on this topic is that some people have made reference to
>the fact that petrol station staff are on low wages. I'm not sure
To me it fits in because they are not being paid to take risks. The
servo companies are making them take risks, and pretending to care by
saying "no helmets" rather than either paying them for the risk, or
reducing the risk properly.
Zebee
Katana
"Geoff Hansford" <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
> > servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
>
> It's discrimination John... just like any other discrimination.
> Discrimination is _bad_ whatever and whenever it occurs.
like when you go to a display home & they ask you to take your shoes
off before entering? cmon.... it's petty!
> So you do it because a cute girl smiles at you... I don't have a cute
girl
> at the local servo, does that mean I don't have to do it?
no I do it regardless of where I am, even to the ugly dude up the road
here - the fact that I get a smile from a cute attendant is simply a
bonus... but certainly not the reason
> I think what you are getting at is an inncorect analogy, a closer
analogy
> would be the sexual discrimination practised in some offices where
wimmen
> and men are not allowed the same hair or dress styles. I'm a guy, I
can't
> wear my hair long if the business says short hair, but a woman can...
the
> equal oportunity tribunual even said basically "thats ok... it's what
> society expects even if it isn't strictly speaking equal".
Personally I
> think that sucks too!
OK I agree that stinks - however I dont see it as the same issue. A
simple request to remove your helmet IMHO is fair enough... ok so we
might not be that attractive and I know my current state of helmet hair
would frighten the bejeezus out of a lot of people - but that's just
part of it :)
> > what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
>
> Courtesy needs to come from both sides, the people behind counters
that ask
> politely for me to remove my full face helmet get a polite "ok", the
smart
> arse wankers that tell me to remove it get smart arse comments.
cmon - it's not like the sign on the door says "take your bloody helmet
off or else ya prick!"... sheesh
> Open face
> helmets are a different matter, the stickers show a full face helmet
not an
> open face. Polite requests to remove an open face get a polite
refusal and
> an explanation of the sticker on the door, smart arse's get what they
> deserve.
let's see just how petty we can get... cmon this is bloody ridiculous!
hmmm.... how many of you people who dont remove them do the same when
entering a bank?
Hamish Alker-Jones
I'm glad you mentioned that Johnathon!
Courtesy would mean that there is a working airline, washer fluid and
clean toilets.
I'm on a minimum wage too, I dont have ppl being nice to me. ...and I
have a sore back, and my eyesight is failing and my house got burgalled,
not that I own it! I pay nearly 25% of my earnings in rent I have a
disability blah blah and you dont see me whinging about it!!
Hammo
Courtesy? I'm buying goods, I'm the consumer! I am always right!!
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
--
"Rally round the family with a pocket full of Shells" RATM
Doug Cox
> hmmm.... how many of you people who dont remove them do the same when
> entering a bank?
Who enters a bank anymore?...
John Vincent
inconveniences but if everyone considered problems from the other
perspective you might see their concern.
John
Hamish Alker-Jones <ha...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:3A0FD4B8...@ihug.com.au...
> I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
> I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
> I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he
worked.
> I have been shot by accident.
> I've cried after a girlfriend left me.
>
> Whats your point?
>
> Hammo
>
> Clifford Jones wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine was held up at gunpoint by a robber. Twice. To say it
made
> > her just a little skitty would be an understatement. She worked in a
bank,
> > but for the small amount of effort it takes me to remove my helmet, it
makes
> > life easier for a low paid cashier in a petrol station, who, lets face
it is
> > pretty easy meat for any armed robber. And the other solution is that
they
> > all hide behind those really impersonal bullet proof windows and
counters. I
> > know what I would prefer.
> >
> > Cliff
>
Mike OConnor
Doug Cox wrote:
>
> "Katana" <kata...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> <snip>
> > hmmm.... how many of you people who dont remove them do the same when
> > entering a bank?
>
> Who enters a bank anymore?...
can't afford to.
But maybe the best way to enter is with a FF helmet or balaclava........
Mike
R100RS
paulh
wrote:
>
>
>paulh wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:47:04 +1100, Hamish Alker-Jones <ha...@ihug.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
>> >I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
>> >I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he worked.
>> >I have been shot by accident.
>>
>> I find that hard to believe... the accident part I mean..
>
>Yeah, a guy at a servo thought I was gonna hold him up!
>
>Nah, I was shooting fish in a barrel, back when I was young and silly.
this gets worse, so in a way you were shot by a fish?
paulh
Dale Porter
Geoff Hansford wrote
>
>I on the other hand have never been known for my courtesy LOL
LOL Would I ever accuse you of such Sir Hansford? ;-)
Theo Bekkers
Zebee Johnstone wrote
> Jonathan Lockyer <high...@one.net.au> wrote:
> >The thing that I've found interesting with the many replies to the
> >original post on this topic is that some people have made reference to
> >the fact that petrol station staff are on low wages. I'm not sure
> To me it fits in because they are not being paid to take risks. The
> servo companies are making them take risks, and pretending to care by
> saying "no helmets" rather than either paying them for the risk, or
> reducing the risk properly.
I don't think you need a doctorate to apply for the job. :-)
I agree with Zebee about the owner's attitude re risks. Servos, particularly
all-nighters, appear to be an easy target. I would think that at peak
periods, when you have a queue of half a dozen people waiting to pay, the
person fourth in line wearing a helmet and holding a $20 note is a small
risk.
We have two banks near us. Both have upgraded their counters in the last
twelve months. One opted for bandit screens and warning signs that say, in
effect, 'Don't put any part of yourself on our side of the counter'. The
other bank put in very low glass screens, making the tellers more
accessible. The result, to me as a user of both banks, is that you feel like
a criminal walking into the first, whereas the second you feel that they are
your friends. (If a bank can be your friend).
Cheers
Theo
Pisshead Pete
paulh <naught...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:4vq11tkofhjfgqjqq...@4ax.com...
There's not much room to hide in a barrel!
--
Pisshead Pete "...someone should shoot that roadwatch fuckwit."
95" FLHRCI Road TriKing (The Road Toad)
George Voulgaropoulos
who let ths guy in here ..... ?
--
George Voulgaropoulos
ZZR-250
"Doug Cox" <Doug...@Bigpond.com> wrote in message
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George Voulgaropoulos
borrowed a mate's bike (a big 'un)
and went to the Stokehouse (Port Melbourne) .... I sat to order and the
waiter person wanted money or a credit card up front.
Just coz I got a helmet, it don't mean I'm gonna do a runner.
Pricks
--
George Voulgaropoulos
ZZR-250
"Theo Bekkers" <th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
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Glenn
<geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Katana" <kata...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:8uq4f0$u3l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> now c'mon people....
>>
>> it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
>> servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
>
>It's discrimination John... just like any other discrimination.
>Discrimination is _bad_ whatever and whenever it occurs.
>
Blah Blah Blah... <snip>
>Geoff Hansford
>
>
You put across an impression of victimization, can't you think of
anything more important to complain about??
Rules are put in place to try to make the world a nicer place for all.
As sad as it is, common courtesy seems to diminish as the years go by.
Glenn
DT250 -> XS650 -> GSX1100 -> 750/4 Chopper -> XV1000 & FXDX 1450
Deevo
news:8uq4f0$u3l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> now c'mon people....
>
> it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
> servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
No it's not but it's still flagrant discrimination. As I said in a previous
post I got abused by a pump jockey for wearing an open face. The intent of
the sign is to prevent concealment not to create hassles for motorcycle
riders. I'm sick to fu8cking death of people looking down their noses at me
because I like to ride.
--
Deevo
Geraldton WA
1982 GT750 Kwak
www.wn.com.au/mckenzie
Marty Wicks
<th...@bekkers.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
re:servo console jockeys.
>I don't think you need a doctorate to apply for the job. :-)
<snip>
>accessible. The result, to me as a user of both banks, is that you feel like
>a criminal walking into the first, whereas the second you feel that they are
>your friends. (If a bank can be your friend).
If you can even contemplate this, you could probably work in a servo.
Cheers,
Marty
'98 KTM 250EGS
'94 VFR750F
Rick Stadelmaier
> > Great, but what makes you think you need to get to the front any
quicker
> > than anyone else in the store.
>
> I don't need to. It's just that I can.
Well then, why don't you piss on them for not laying out the red carpet
too?
> > I wonder what you would say if someone didn't do what you wished in
your
> > home. That would make you the twat, no?
>
> My house is not open to the public.
Hmmmm, I wonder why.......
Rick.
--
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
equ...@pip.com.au
Rick Stadelmaier
> > Whats the difference?
>
> The difference if it was the staff in the garage choosing to say no
helmets
> then I could always take my business elsewhere... becuase it is a huge
chain
> of service stations they all do it so I can't excercise freedom of
choice
> and take my business to a servo that doesn't discriminate against
> motorcyclists...
Whether it's a chain or not, makes no difference, you still need to
respect whats not yours.
> > I must be rude then. I demand visitors go by my rules.
>
> Sounds like it ;-)
Shit, caught out....
> > Telling people to do as they would in there own home does not always
> > work, we don't all have the same standards.
>
> This is true, but I don't invite people that don't have similar
standards in
> the first place...
What about the contracter with the dirty shoes, you tell him to take em
off. Does he piss on you, mentioning any freedom of choice rot? I doubt
it, if he respects your property, he will abide by your rules.
> > I really don't know what all the excitement is about (besides the
> > freedom of choice and all that), I mean I always take off my lid
anyway,
> > I spose mainly because I feel like a dork walking around with it on
if
> > I'm not on the bike. Hey, maybe a I am a dork anyway.......
>
> It's about being a member of a minority group and being discriminated
> against. Not just about freedom of choice. For many years now while
oz has
> had high profile motorcycle racers winning world championships the
> anti-motorcycling sentiment has been unable to gain a hearing...
things were
> _not_ nice some 20 or 30 years ago when all sorts of groups saw
> motorcyclists as easy targets. Since oz biking has starting to lose a
> little of the glitz and glamour associated with racing and support
from high
> profile lobby groups small intrusions (the thin edge of the wedge on
might
> assume) are starting to crop up in various places again. If people
are
> sensitive on these issues it is because they do _not_ want things to
return
> (even part way) to the way things were before....
>
> Geoff Hansford
This is cobblers and you know it. Just ride your bike and have fun,
don't worry about pisin on a garage attendant coz they want you to take
your lid off in there outlet.
Rick Stadelmaier
> > Thats all very unfortunate.
> > Though you should know better than most, that anything, no matter
how
> > small, which could prevent a disaster has to be worthwhile.
>
nature (no
> Aaron, not the band).
Your not making a lot of sense here.
> > You don't need a point. If the garage has a rule and wants you to
remove
> > your helmet, you do it, without question.
> > You want visitors to do as you say in you home, no?
>
> I dont sell things from home, my visitors are aware that I like them
to do
> as they please when at my place. The only time I get annoyed with
visitors
> is when they travel for hours and saty and dont eat the suckling pig
that I
> have been cooking all night for them to feast on.
Whats selling anything got to do with respecting property that is not
yours?
As I said in another post.
How 'bout the contracter who walks in with dirty shoes, you want him to
take em off right? I doubt he protests and tells you to fuck off? All he
does is respect you and your home, even if he mutters under his breath.
> > I don't see a problem.
>
> Thats lucky, other wise I'd suggest you make an appointment with an
> optometrist.
Fortunately I don't need glasses, yet....
Seriously though guys, your argument is piss poor.
Just ride your bike and have fun, stop pissin on garage attendants.
Rick Stadelmaier
> > Well then, why don't you piss on them for not laying out the red
carpet
> > too?
>
> muffins, pizza, etc. on plastic when I have the correct change in cash
in my
> hand? Takes 2 seconds to pay and doesn't hold anyone else up. On the
> contrary, the person behind me moves up a space...
Fine, just take your lid off when doing that, this is what they want,
what is so difficult about respecting what someone wants on there
property, it is there right.
> > > My house is not open to the public.
> >
> > Hmmmm, I wonder why.......
>
> Open house at your place is it?...
Yep, my rules are very strict though, need to take off your lid....
Sorry, you just wouldn't make it....
Zebee Johnstone
Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Rick Stadelmaier" <rick_e...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Fortunately I don't need glasses, yet....
>>
>> Seriously though guys, your argument is piss poor.
>> Just ride your bike and have fun, stop pissin on garage attendants.
>
>2 rick!
>
Me, I'd think differently if the attendant said "Please take off the
helmet in future, it scares me to see someone with it on" instead of
"It's the rules stupid"
Otherwise it seems to be more about power than safety.
Zebee
Doug Cox
> Well then, why don't you piss on them for not laying out the red carpet
> too?
Why should I wait behind 2 or 3 people who are buying petrol, chips,
muffins, pizza, etc. on plastic when I have the correct change in cash in my
hand? Takes 2 seconds to pay and doesn't hold anyone else up. On the
contrary, the person behind me moves up a space...
> > My house is not open to the public.
>
> Hmmmm, I wonder why.......
Open house at your place is it?...
Doug Cox
Geoff Hansford
>
> > > Whats the difference?
> >
> > The difference if it was the staff in the garage choosing to say no
> helmets
> > then I could always take my business elsewhere... becuase it is a huge
> chain
> > of service stations they all do it so I can't excercise freedom of
> choice
> > and take my business to a servo that doesn't discriminate against
> > motorcyclists...
>
> Whether it's a chain or not, makes no difference, you still need to
> respect whats not yours.
I think we aren't communicating effectivly here... I never said I wouldn't
take my full face helmet off if requested politely. I refuse to remove my
open face helmet. The rules (as stated by the stickers shown on the door)
do not mention open face helmets. In what way am I disrespecting someones
property by refusing to remove a device not covered by the rules of
operation of the place of business?
> > > I must be rude then. I demand visitors go by my rules.
> >
> > Sounds like it ;-)
>
> Shit, caught out....
Heh...
> > > Telling people to do as they would in there own home does not always
> > > work, we don't all have the same standards.
> >
> > This is true, but I don't invite people that don't have similar
> standards in
> > the first place...
>
> What about the contracter with the dirty shoes, you tell him to take em
> off. Does he piss on you, mentioning any freedom of choice rot? I doubt
> it, if he respects your property, he will abide by your rules.
Nope, I don't tell him to take em off (seriously), if he makes a mess and
doesn't clean up then I won't use him next time. This is a small town, we
run a reasonable sized business, bad practices would quickly spread around
the community as gossip and lead to significant reductions in business
garnered. It simply doesn't happen much that contractors are messy.
Cobblers!?!?!?
This is fundamental to the very defence of the motorcycling lifestyle...
motorcycling is _not_ just a hobby, it is a lifestyle choice for many
(myself included), not all see it this way because it is not this to all, it
_is_ to me (and many others). Attacks on my lifestyle choice will be met
with suitable defences... just because you choose to take the "she'll be
right mate" approach doesn't mean it will be. It just means more work for
the rest of the people, like the lobbyists who recently had a victory on
footpath parking.
I will be riding to Canberra on the 27th for the celebration of Australian
motorcycling (as I was there for those held in the 80's, and there for the
rides to parliament house to protest compulsory lights on). This too is
important for the defence of our choice of the motorcycling lifestyle....
will you be there? Or are you going to poo poo this as well?
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
>
> Fortunately I don't need glasses, yet....
>
> Seriously though guys, your argument is piss poor.
> Just ride your bike and have fun, stop pissin on garage attendants.
As soon as they stop pissin on us by discriminating against us I will, takes
2 rick!
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"John Vincent" <j-vi...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in message
news:3a10...@news.adfa.edu.au...
> his point is see it from the poor cashiers side. Its easy to winge about
> inconveniences but if everyone considered problems from the other
> perspective you might see their concern.
I am not unsympathetic to their problems, but the real solution is armoured
areas for the staff to work from, not a knee jerk reaction which
discriminates against motorcyclists and doesn't actually help the safety of
the workers (as distinct from their perception of safety).
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"Dale Porter" <dalep...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:xD6Q5.31649$SF5.5...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> Geoff Hansford wrote
> >
> >I on the other hand have never been known for my courtesy LOL
>
> LOL Would I ever accuse you of such Sir Hansford? ;-)
Thats Sir Geoffrey thank you very much ;-P
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
> In article <t11area...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Geoff Hansford" <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > it's not that bloody hard to take your helmet off when you enter the
> > > servo to pay! I do it at least 4 times a week... no problems.
> >
> > It's discrimination John... just like any other discrimination.
> > Discrimination is _bad_ whatever and whenever it occurs.
>
> like when you go to a display home & they ask you to take your shoes
> off before entering? cmon.... it's petty!
If they ask motorcyclists to remove boots and don't ask others to remove
shoes then I'd say it would be the same, but they don't they ask everyone
with shoes to remove them. Petrol stations do not ask people with hats,
balaclavas, sunglasses, push bike helmets, horse riding helmets etc to
remove them. They only ask motorcyclists to remove them. And it isn't
about security, because I am constantly asked to remove my open face helmet,
with which my face can be seen and which is not covered at all by the
stickers on the doors (which show a full face helmet).
> > So you do it because a cute girl smiles at you... I don't have a cute
> girl
> > at the local servo, does that mean I don't have to do it?
>
> no I do it regardless of where I am, even to the ugly dude up the road
> here - the fact that I get a smile from a cute attendant is simply a
> bonus... but certainly not the reason
Fair enough... I didn't think you were that shallow actually :)
> > I think what you are getting at is an inncorect analogy, a closer
> analogy
> > would be the sexual discrimination practised in some offices where
> wimmen
> > and men are not allowed the same hair or dress styles. I'm a guy, I
> can't
> > wear my hair long if the business says short hair, but a woman can...
> the
> > equal oportunity tribunual even said basically "thats ok... it's what
> > society expects even if it isn't strictly speaking equal".
> Personally I
> > think that sucks too!
It does doesn't it...
> OK I agree that stinks - however I dont see it as the same issue. A
> simple request to remove your helmet IMHO is fair enough... ok so we
> might not be that attractive and I know my current state of helmet hair
> would frighten the bejeezus out of a lot of people - but that's just
> part of it :)
If it was a simple request to remove helmets (or head coverings which
obstruct the view of security cameras) then I would _not_ object. It is the
fact that it is _only_ motorcycle helmets, and includes motorcycle helmets
that leave the face open to view. What conclusion should I draw from this
other than bikeism?
> > > what ever happened to a bit of common courtesy?
> >
> > Courtesy needs to come from both sides, the people behind counters
> that ask
> > politely for me to remove my full face helmet get a polite "ok", the
> smart
> > arse wankers that tell me to remove it get smart arse comments.
>
> cmon - it's not like the sign on the door says "take your bloody helmet
> off or else ya prick!"... sheesh
No, but the comments from staff are often along those lines!
> > Open face
> > helmets are a different matter, the stickers show a full face helmet
> not an
> > open face. Polite requests to remove an open face get a polite
> refusal and
> > an explanation of the sticker on the door, smart arse's get what they
> > deserve.
>
> let's see just how petty we can get... cmon this is bloody ridiculous!
Petty? Would you say it was petty if you were charged the same toll as a
car on the sydney bridge? Your on a bike aren't you? Thats the same as a
car isn't it? You know... just like an open face is the same as a full
face... *frown*
> hmmm.... how many of you people who dont remove them do the same when
> entering a bank?
Me for one... open faces at least. I have raised this issue re banks before
in here. I actually threatened to shift works multi-million dollar loans
and business funds away from the local bank branch (significant enough to
cause loss of staff in a small country branch) because when couriering the
wages between the bank and work on the bike they stated in no uncertain
terms they wanted my open face helmet removed.
They backed down when they realised I was serious.
Geoff Hansford
Theo Bekkers
Marty Wicks wrote
> If you can even contemplate this, you could probably work in a servo.
Yup, I could work in a servo. (I don't have a doctorate). What I couldn't do
is work in a glass bullet-proof cage. I think this depersonalises the
customer transaction. I think I'd suffer from claustrophobia as well.
Cheers
Theo
Pisshead Pete
Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:t13jhfi...@news.supernews.com...
>
> I will be riding to Canberra on the 27th for the celebration of Australian
> motorcycling (as I was there for those held in the 80's, and there for the
Where, what time?
--
Pisshead Pete "...could be on the cards."
Rick Stadelmaier
> > Whether it's a chain or not, makes no difference, you still need to
> > respect whats not yours.
>
> I think we aren't communicating effectivly here... I never said I
wouldn't
> take my full face helmet off if requested politely. I refuse to
remove my
> open face helmet. The rules (as stated by the stickers shown on the
door)
> do not mention open face helmets. In what way am I disrespecting
someones
> property by refusing to remove a device not covered by the rules of
> operation of the place of business?
Semantics, you know very well what the sign means.
> > What about the contracter with the dirty shoes, you tell him to take
em
> > off. Does he piss on you, mentioning any freedom of choice rot? I
doubt
> > it, if he respects your property, he will abide by your rules.
>
> Nope, I don't tell him to take em off (seriously), if he makes a mess
and
> doesn't clean up then I won't use him next time. This is a small
town, we
> run a reasonable sized business, bad practices would quickly spread
around
> the community as gossip and lead to significant reductions in business
> garnered. It simply doesn't happen much that contractors are messy.
Sheesh, can't argue with that, we all tackle things differently.
But you do at least see my point on this?
Not "poo poo" haha, but I just don't know if its worth it, I used to go
to these rides, maybe i'm mellowing a bit.
Sometimes it just ain't worth the trouble, I don't even ride as much as
i'd like to (time permitting and all that), but when I do get out, I
just can't be troubled with alll the hoo-haa about footpaths and helmets
in garages etc etc.
I ride to have fun, not to slag off on some garage attendant, or anyone
else for that matter.
Rick Stadelmaier
> Me, I'd think differently if the attendant said "Please take off the
> helmet in future, it scares me to see someone with it on" instead of
> "It's the rules stupid"
You saw the sign before you walked in, but you still didn't remove it.
I'd think your stupid to, if you left it on after viewing the sign.
> Otherwise it seems to be more about power than safety.
That goes both ways.
Jonathan Lockyer
Great to hear there's someone out there like yourself who's not so
fortunate, yet isn't whinging.
Getting back to the helmets & petrol stations issue, I do take my
helmet off when visiting a petrol station I've never been to before.
If it's a 'regular' visit to the local & I'm in a hurry, I'll leave the
helmet on and wave the cash to the cash register operator while I walk
in through the door.
If I've got my 5 year old son with me, I'll give him the cash to hand
to the cash register operator, so I can stay outside & not have to take
my helmet off, which also gives my boy the chance to partake in the
day's outing.
Maybe one day I'll stand back and let him fill my tank while I use my
smartcard to tell the petrol pump to debit the money from my bank
account. That way, we can leave our helmets on, nobody in the petrol
station will be on a low wage as there won't be any need to employ
staff because smartcard activated machines will do it all for them and
armed bandits will have to go elsewhere to annoy some other low paid
cash register operator...
Let's all hope for a pay rise...
JL.
*************
> >
> > Whether you take your helmet off or not, it still seems like robbery
> > when you pay for petrol at over a dollar a litre...
> >
>
> I'm glad you mentioned that Johnathon!
>
> Courtesy would mean that there is a working airline, washer fluid and
> clean toilets.
>
> I'm on a minimum wage too, I dont have ppl being nice to me. ...and
I
> have a sore back, and my eyesight is failing and my house got
burgalled,
> not that I own it! I pay nearly 25% of my earnings in rent I have a
> disability blah blah and you dont see me whinging about it!!
>
> Hammo
>
> Courtesy? I'm buying goods, I'm the consumer! I am always right!!
>
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
> --
> "Rally round the family with a pocket full of Shells" RATM
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
--
Jonathan Lockyer
Perth, Australia
http://shortcuts.mainpage.net
Stuart Thyer
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In article <jklQ5.32166$SF5.5...@ozemail.com.au>, "Pisshead Pete"
<piss...@bikerider.com> wrote:
>
>Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:t13jhfi...@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> I will be riding to Canberra on the 27th for the celebration of Australian
>> motorcycling (as I was there for those held in the 80's, and there for the
>
>Where, what time?
>
Yeah, what ride?? Even if it's to Canberra it's still a good excuse for a
ride!!
Stuart Thyer
Photographer
University of Melbourne
johnnie5
Doug Cox <Doug...@Bigpond.com> wrote in message
> "Rick Stadelmaier" <rick_e...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> <snip>
> > Well then, why don't you piss on them for not laying out the red carpet
> > too?
>
> Why should I wait behind 2 or 3 people who are buying petrol, chips,
> muffins, pizza, etc. on plastic when I have the correct change in cash in
my
> hand? Takes 2 seconds to pay and doesn't hold anyone else up. On the
> contrary, the person behind me moves up a space...
something no one has mentioned is pay at the pump where possible
i use the credit card at the pump , dont have to wait for everybody , dont
have
to go inside with chip buyers , dont have to take the helmet off or cop shit
or idle chit chat
with the attendant , theres one place i dont go to anymore in the co car as
the curry eater wants to talk about the sun the moon and all of life , i
just want to pay for the juice and take off
.
.
.
..
.
.
.
.
.
..
.
Geoff Hansford
>
> We have two banks near us. Both have upgraded their counters in the last
> twelve months. One opted for bandit screens and warning signs that say, in
> effect, 'Don't put any part of yourself on our side of the counter'. The
> other bank put in very low glass screens, making the tellers more
like
> a criminal walking into the first, whereas the second you feel that they
are
> your friends. (If a bank can be your friend).
1. I don't think a bank can be your friend, at best the staff can be
friendly.
2. Since they can't be your friend any perception of friendliness is at best
a marketing front.
3. Since it's not real but just marketing the only things that are effected
by the security screens in the one bank are your 'perceptions' (probably
misleading) and the actual increased safety of the staff in that branch.
4. The staff in the branch without security screens are at increased risk
compared to the staff in the branch with them, a true humanist would
frequent the branch with the increased staff safety (other things being
equal).
5. Any other interpretation is merely putting your convenience at an
importance above that of the staffs safety, something you are accusing
helmet wearers in servo's of doing... you can't have your cake and eat it
too!! And this case is worse, the safety of the servo isn't actually
increased by the banning of helmet wearing motorcyclists whereas the safety
of the bank staff is materially effected by the security screens.
The servo's should put in security screens similar to those used at your
bank branch.
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"johnnie5" <john...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:8ustf3$1f5$1...@bugstomper.ihug.com.au...
>
> something no one has mentioned is pay at the pump where possible
> i use the credit card at the pump , dont have to wait for everybody , dont
> have
> to go inside with chip buyers , dont have to take the helmet off or cop
shit
> or idle chit chat
> with the attendant , theres one place i dont go to anymore in the co car
as
> the curry eater wants to talk about the sun the moon and all of life , i
> just want to pay for the juice and take off
Those are terrific as long as all you want is petrol and as long as the
servo has them and as long as the card you have is accepted by the servo,
the nearest one that meets those criteria is 100 kms from here though!!
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
> >
> > I think we aren't communicating effectivly here... I never said I
> wouldn't
> > take my full face helmet off if requested politely. I refuse to
> remove my
> > open face helmet. The rules (as stated by the stickers shown on the
> door)
> > do not mention open face helmets. In what way am I disrespecting
> someones
> > property by refusing to remove a device not covered by the rules of
> > operation of the place of business?
>
> Semantics, you know very well what the sign means.
I know very well what the sign means, it means "no full face helmets". If
it meant "no helmets" then they would ask push bike riders to remove thier
helmets... and they don't do that do they? Or maybe I'm wrong... and they
do mean all motorcycle helmets... but hey! They still don't ask push bike
riders to remove thier helmets do they.... so we are back to discrimination.
Either way, it's a situation with a problem.
> > > What about the contracter with the dirty shoes, you tell him to take
> em
> > > off. Does he piss on you, mentioning any freedom of choice rot? I
> doubt
> > > it, if he respects your property, he will abide by your rules.
> >
> > Nope, I don't tell him to take em off (seriously), if he makes a mess
> and
> > doesn't clean up then I won't use him next time. This is a small
> town, we
> > run a reasonable sized business, bad practices would quickly spread
> around
> > the community as gossip and lead to significant reductions in business
> > garnered. It simply doesn't happen much that contractors are messy.
>
> Sheesh, can't argue with that, we all tackle things differently.
> But you do at least see my point on this?
I can see the point you are making, but a place of business isn't a house,
it isn't quite a public place, but in some ways it is. The rules that apply
to houses don't automatically apply to business's. For example there are
restrictions on smoking on the fleet of vehicles our company runs by
government legislation. There are no such restrictions in my home. My
point is that companies should be held to a higher standard of behaviour
than individuals, and discriminating against a group (for whatever apperant
but not actual reason) simply isn't meeting that sort of community
obligation.
Fair enough... I guess I haven't mellowed over the last 20+ years though.
And this particular issue keeps rearing it's ugly head up, as does footpath
parking. I know this is a fight that one can't really win, but one can at
least keep the issue from being brushed under the carpet.
> I ride to have fun, not to slag off on some garage attendant, or anyone
> else for that matter.
I ride to have fun to, and I don't slag off on garage attendants (or anyone
else) unless they slag off on me first. But I will not stand back and be
slagged off upon merely to maintain the peace. Turning the other cheek is
going too far for me I'm sorry...
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"Stuart Thyer" <s.t...@anatomy.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
news:8uspm8$kuo$1...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au...
I'm at work guys... I'll chase up the details and post them to the NG ok.
All I could squeeze out of this grey matter thats become increasingly more
dysfunctional over the passing years is Jan 27th.
If anyone else has more details feel free to post them :)
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
"Zebee Johnstone" <ze...@zip.com.au> wrote in message
news:slrn913k4d...@zipperii.zip.com.au...
> In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:45:34 +1100
> Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> helmet in future, it scares me to see someone with it on" instead of
> "It's the rules stupid"
>
I agree Zebee, and I will as I stated in an earlier post remove my full face
if asked in a sensible and normal manner. My open face is a different
issue, if requested then I will ask where the video camera is, look straight
at it, point out that I am now on video and there is no point removing it
(and besides your sign shows a full face helmet and you allow open face push
bike helmets) and politely decline to remove it.
Geoff Hansford
Geoff Hansford
>
> > Me, I'd think differently if the attendant said "Please take off the
> > helmet in future, it scares me to see someone with it on" instead of
> > "It's the rules stupid"
>
> You saw the sign before you walked in, but you still didn't remove it.
> I'd think your stupid to, if you left it on after viewing the sign.
The sign with the full face helmet and no info stating which helmets it
applies to!
> > Otherwise it seems to be more about power than safety.
>
> That goes both ways.
Of course...
Geoff Hansford
johnnie5
> 1. I don't think a bank can be your friend, at best the staff can be
> friendly.
> 2. Since they can't be your friend any perception of friendliness is at
best
> a marketing front.
6 years ago i was using the advance bank at flemington in sydney
it is no longer there :(
there was the manager early 30's rode a GS500 daily and about 2 or 3 woman
there
they were the best people , like what everyone calls the old days where hey
knew you
one day i rang the manager up and asked if i could get $11K cash out
where the limit is $2K and it was when do you need it , about an hour , ah
yeah ok ill get it out of the ATM for you ,
i just remembered i went in there late on a friday and they used to have
beers , here you go have a beer
hows that for service , you dont get that anymore
Zebee Johnstone
Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The servo's should put in security screens similar to those used at your
>bank branch.
>
I don't think they need screens. few bandits have guns.
They need protection against someone getting close enough to stab them
with knive or syringe, or hit them with a club.
BP near UNSW has a wideish counter with some wire ropes above it. You
can see and interact well with the cashier, they dont feel imprisoned,
but it's hard for someone to get to them. They have room to get well
out of reach and while a bad guy could get through the ropes it would
take time and make them vulnerable to the Big Stick kept behind the
counter :)
The staff also have a panic button I believe.
yes, if someone has a gun, it's still nasty. but gun crimes are rare
in this country, it's a reasonable compromise, and not expensive.
Zebee
Zebee Johnstone
Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I agree Zebee, and I will as I stated in an earlier post remove my full face
>if asked in a sensible and normal manner. My open face is a different
>issue, if requested then I will ask where the video camera is, look straight
>at it, point out that I am now on video and there is no point removing it
>(and besides your sign shows a full face helmet and you allow open face push
>bike helmets) and politely decline to remove it.
>
I've never been asked to remove the open face lid, or my dark glasses.
But then I've never been asked to remove the fullface when I was
wearing that.
I suppose that short wide women don't hold up service stations or
something.
Zebee
Cameron
Pisshead Pete wrote:
>
> Geoff Hansford <geof...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:t13jhfi...@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > I will be riding to Canberra on the 27th for the celebration of Australian
> > motorcycling (as I was there for those held in the 80's, and there for the
>
> Where, what time?
Me too!
regards,
CrazyCam
Mike OConnor
I assumed it was this month. I was just trying to work out how to get
away the weekend before the 'expedition' to Brissie.
I think we may have another interstate netride here.
Hmmm, January.. Snowy mountains.. I'm in.
Mike
R100RS
Kapital Kritter
news:3a111f67...@news.interact.net.au...
> Rules are put in place to try to make the world a nicer place for all.
Which world is that? Most of the rules I see are designed to keep the
rule-makers on top...
> As sad as it is, common courtesy seems to diminish as the years go by.
Yeah, not least inside servos.
Gary
Stuart Thyer
----------
In article <3A1225B0...@vu.edu.au>, Mike OConnor
<mike.o...@vu.edu.au> wrote:
>Ahhhh January. That's do-able.
>
>I assumed it was this month. I was just trying to work out how to get
>away the weekend before the 'expedition' to Brissie.
>
>I think we may have another interstate netride here.
>Hmmm, January.. Snowy mountains.. I'm in.
>
Tempting, tempting, but there's the hanging rock races on the 26th and
there's always Confusion Rally near Licola which could be got to quickly on
Saturday.
So much to do so little time
Hamish Alker-Jones
We were sighting in scopes on the farm when the old rifle went off
richoted and hit me.
I said the classic line of "Shit, I've been hit!".
Ah, memories.
Hammo
paulh wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:11:38 +1100, Hamish Alker-Jones <ha...@ihug.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >paulh wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:47:04 +1100, Hamish Alker-Jones <ha...@ihug.com.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I used to know a bloke that died whilst riding a motorcycle.
> >> >I know a bird who was raped by a football player.
> >> >I know a bloke that was stabbed by junky scum at the chemist where he worked.
> >> >I have been shot by accident.
> >>
> >> I find that hard to believe... the accident part I mean..
> >
> >Yeah, a guy at a servo thought I was gonna hold him up!
> >
> >Nah, I was shooting fish in a barrel, back when I was young and silly.
>
> this gets worse, so in a way you were shot by a fish?
>
> paulh
Hamish Alker-Jones
Pisshead Pete wrote:
>That depends.
It may have been an african Barrel.
Hammo
> There's not much room to hide in a barrel!
>
> --
> Pisshead Pete "...someone should shoot that roadwatch fuckwit."
Hamish Alker-Jones
Hammo
Porl (at work - no email addr)
> >
> >As soon as they stop pissin on us by discriminating against us I will, >
> Me, I'd think differently if the attendant said "Please take off the
> helmet in future, it scares me to see someone with it on" instead of
> "It's the rules stupid"
>
> Otherwise it seems to be more about power than safety.
>
> Zebee
Here here.
Porl (at work - no email addr)
Interesting point Zebee - does this mean there is a case for discrimination
against those of us who are not short wide women?
I guess the whole point, and many of the posts in this thread agree, is that
it is much nicer to be asked, than abused, and most of us are reasonably
happy to comply with a request, but by nature get upset at being ordered
about.
How many petrol stations have been held up in daylight, at busy times, by
people (short wide women or otherwise), who arrived on a motorcycle, wearing
a helmet? Sounds like another case of a whole group of people suffering for
the crimes of a small minority. Again.
Porl (at work - no email addr)
The wire rope won't protect them from me attacking them with my $20 note
though. (See original post)
Porl (at work - no email addr)
"Jonathan Lockyer" <high...@one.net.au> wrote in message
news:8usopo$3h4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> <snip>>
> Getting back to the helmets & petrol stations issue, I do take my
> helmet off when visiting a petrol station I've never been to before.
> If it's a 'regular' visit to the local & I'm in a hurry, I'll leave the
> helmet on and wave the cash to the cash register operator while I walk
> in through the door.
>
are to the staff. Seems a lot of petrol stations have been held up by
people threatening to pay for petrol with legal tender before. Ever
suffered a paper cut from a $20 note? Nasty :)
<snip>
>
> Let's all hope for a pay rise...
You bet
Porl
>
<snip>
Hamish Alker-Jones
Hammo
Deevo wrote:
> No it's not but it's still flagrant discrimination. As I said in a previous
> post I got abused by a pump jockey for wearing an open face. The intent of
> the sign is to prevent concealment not to create hassles for motorcycle
> riders. I'm sick to fu8cking death of people looking down their noses at me
> because I like to ride.
> --
> Deevo
> Geraldton WA
> 1982 GT750 Kwak
> www.wn.com.au/mckenzie
Deevo
news:3A125A32...@science.uow.edu.au...
> Oi! Shut up you bikie scumbag!!
>
> Hammo
No I bloody wont ya git. :)
--
Deevo
In Australia we have a bird called the Galah.
It flies around in circles, makes a lot of noise
and hasn't got a brain in it's head. Now you
guys don't have the feathered variety over
here but you really have plenty of the two
legged human ones.
Paul Hogan
John Olive
"Deevo" <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message I'm sick to
fu8cking death of people looking down their noses at me because I like to
ride.
I don't know of anyone who rides and has that problem, generally my
experiences with non riders have been very positive ones. Perhaps it's You
who needs to change?
John Olive
Smee
:-)))))))))
Hamish Alker-Jones wrote:
<SNIP>
> I have been shot by accident.
>
Avoid conflict but fight for the right to use it.
Remove nospam you know the rest.
Shawn Foo
> What about the contracter with the dirty shoes, you tell him to take em
> off. Does he piss on you, mentioning any freedom of choice rot? I doubt
> it, if he respects your property, he will abide by your rules.
Geoff _is_ the guy with dirty shoes.. :-)
Shawn
(ok, I'll stay out of this now.. :-)