Two bikes booked for Speeding ? One Radar ?
Mark Paemaa
I have a question for some friends. The are both guilty of speeding. The
cop said that he had two radars and could book both of them. It has
happened to another friend, but the second bike could only be given a
traffic enfrigement, because he only had one radar.
The second bike is fighting it. Will they have any luck, or can I just
tell them to give up ?
Do Cops have two radars ?
By the way, this was up the old road, two weeks ago.
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Anthony Bevern
"Mark Paemaa" <ma...@streamline.com.au> wrote:
>I have a question for some friends. The are both guilty of speeding. The
>cop said that he had two radars and could book both of them. It has
>happened to another friend, but the second bike could only be given a
>traffic enfrigement, because he only had one radar.
>The second bike is fighting it. Will they have any luck, or can I just
>tell them to give up ?
Since they are separate tickets, I'd be fighting both of them.
DO NOT REPRESENT YOURSELF IN COURT. Police prosecutors
love it when someone elects to fight, but aren't offait
with court room procedure. Get a beak. If you are NRMA member
you can get free legal advice (not sure on representation)
in traffic matters. Definitely do this. How far apart were the two
bikes? If they were close each one could claim they were doing
the speed limit while being overtaken by the other machine.
(Of course, only claim this if it is true.) If they were far
apart, then how could they both've given readings? This would indicate
that the first reading was not locked in.
If the speed wasn't locked, could it just be an anomoly?
An Electrical Engineer from Sydney Uni did a big paper on
radar fallibility 6 or so years ago. This could be a useful
primer to any defence. I think the report is available for around $30.
(Ballpark figures only)
It may also be useful to check Police operating procedure guidlines.
If you could demonstrate the officer(s) was not following procedure
then you may be able get off.
What else? I think you should fight as a matter of principle.
Unfortunately the odds are stacked against you, since radar is
considered a "scientific instrument" by the law. (i.e. infallible)
Thus it may be necessary to present an expert witness. (Although
quoting from a study may suffice)
>Do Cops have two radars ?
I think he's more likely to have two arseholes.
If they did, surely they'd interfere? How could
they both be operated correctly? I spose they
automatically seek out a target that the other one
doesn't have a lock on. Not.
My guess is he was blowing smoke so you wouldn't
bother contesting it.
>By the way, this was up the old road, two weeks ago.
Surprise surprise. Bet it was on a Sunday too.
F**kin bunch of ... gee that pisses me off.
It's all a bit dumb when you look at the Big picture.
Realistically, where is the safest place to speed?
And I don't mean in terms of killing yourself or others, but in terms
of "lack of radar presence" ? Well, I reckon it's in suburbia.
Avoid the main roads, and you can pretty much do anything you like.
(Except of course, raise the ire of local residents.)
Now, I'm not advocating speeding in suburbia. But does anyone
else see this huge enforcement on the Old Road (and elsewhere)
being rather futile?
Will it actually stop anyone from speeding? Or will they just
go elsewhere to speed? Empirical observation tells
you that they just go elsewhere.
Going for a ride on a Sunday provides a necessary release from the
Urban constriction for many people. To force them from the relative
safety of the Old Road to a couple of other routes that come to mind
is just plain stupid.
Wo, sore point. Appologies.
bev
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I've only sped 4 times in my entire life.
4 tickets to prove it.
Laurier Williams
Posted this a while ago, but I think it didn't get beyond my server.
Either that or everyone thought it a big yawn......
Recently "Mark Paemaa" <ma...@streamline.com.au> wrote:
>I have a question for some friends. The are both guilty of speeding. The
>cop said that he had two radars and could book both of them. It has
>happened to another friend, but the second bike could only be given a
>traffic enfrigement, because he only had one radar.
>The second bike is fighting it. Will they have any luck, or can I just
>tell them to give up ?
>Do Cops have two radars ?
A point of discussion among several groups I inhabited during the
rides to, from and at the Supers. Are you less likely to be booked
for speeding if you're riding in a group than individually?
The "evidence" was the number of people who recalled riding in groups
past police radars, etc, at say 120 to 140 in 100 zones with no action
being taken by the police. The "rationale" was that it is impossible
for one (or even several) radars or other devices to establish
precisely which bike(s) are doing what speed(s) if they are riding
fairly close together. Therefore, the evidence is hard to get, and
therefore the police don't bother.
Any thoughts?
Laurie