Suckhole (nanny) state wants to fine people for swearing
B J Foster
language that is considered indecent or offensive".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
This law is obscene
DM
> "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240 for
>
> This law is obscene
The alternative is arresting the foul mouth for behaviour likely to
result in a breach of the peace.
A $240 fine is a better alternative, especially if it becomes widely
enforced. Foul language will decrease.
Why is this a good thing though?
Because loss of control of language is a precursor to other kinds of
loss of control. Preventing the precursor makes violence less likely.
DM
B J Foster
> On May 31, 7:31 pm, B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240 for
>> language that is considered indecent or offensive".http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
>>
>> This law is obscene
>
> The alternative is arresting the foul mouth for behaviour likely to
> result in a breach of the peace.
Arresting???
What on earth for?
This is nanny-state gone mad.
> A $240 fine is a better alternative, especially if it becomes widely
> enforced. Foul language will decrease.
>
> Why is this a good thing though?
> Because loss of control of language is a precursor to other kinds of
> loss of control. Preventing the precursor makes violence less likely.
>
> DM
Rubbish.
Epsilon
:: "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240
:: for language that is considered indecent or offensive".
:: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
::
:: This law is obscene
It will come as a shock, but that obscene law is from the hearts, minds and
souls of politicians. You know the ones - the morons that you and I elected
to do the right thing by our community. Now bugger off.
F Murtz
May be they should take their car license away for swearing, they are
going to do that for grafiti infractions in NSW.Have you ever seen such
weird immoral nonsensical lawmaking?
Kangaroo Court Australia
wrote:
> corella wrote
> > No matter how much money goes into public
> > transport and infrastructure, Australian cities
> > are third world slums packed with white trash
> Australians aren't white and neither are you. You've accomplished nothing
> that has improved the white race, so stop pretending to being a member.
> You're just a poorly educated, underachieving right wing stooge. You're so
> low in the pecking order that all no whites are above you. You have no
> money.
> Kevin MacDonald: "Australians Are The Niggers Of The White Race" - Should Not
> Consider Themselves White or Christian
> MacDonald's thesis says that Australians are the decedents of British
> criminals, the low life's of British society, bottom of the barrel. That
> means they are descended from men who sodomized each other on a regular
> basis, and are also born criminals who cannot be trusted. Australians are
> weak, bigoted and stupid. They prefer to be hewers of wood and haulers of
> water than innovators or inventors, and always do as the USA says because
> they have no minds of their own. In Afghanistan, their soldiers are afraid
> to patrol after dark or engage in battle with the Muslims. Fear of Muslims
> runs deep in Australian society. Australians are famous for complaining and
> doing nothing about their plight. Outside of Australia, they are regarded as
> drunken, stupid buffoons.
> Read more about Prof. MacDonald's thesis here:
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41977
Saving private Wilkie, By suing the Chief of Navy and Chief of
Defense
for $100million for the conspiracy to cause injury and unlawful
Racial
Discrimination in Breach of Contract
Dear Mr Andrew Wilkie MP,
Chief of Defense,
Chief of Navy,
Australian Prime Minister,
Australian Foreign Minister,
Australian Federal Police,
Independents in the Australian Federal Parliament,
Australian Human Rights Commission,
Mr Wilkie, I understand you have been under pressure over your
alleged
Nazi Salute hazing of cadets some 20 years ago.
I can tell you Sir, that it is a culture of Discrimination, race and
gender that has been, if not encouraged, at the very least has been
ignored for a long time.
I was no surprise to see if come ahead recently.
However, the coverup and the corruption goes all the way to the High
Court Australia. The honourable Michael Kirby has already leveled
Racial Discrimination at the High Court Australia.
What is the intent to the Australian Parliament to deal with
arbitrary
and malicious and incompetent decisions from the Australian
Judiciary and High Court Australia, with the intent to pervert the
rule of law and the Australian Democracy, with the intent to deprive
and cause injuries
and death.
After requesting that the Australian Human Rights Commission
terminate
complaints of unlawful racial discrimination, We have not recieved
any
correspondence from them.
What is the intention of the Australian Parliament dealing with the
Australian Human Rights Commission, perverting the Australian Human
Rights Act 1986?
Two further complaints are now filed against
1. Chief of Defense and Chief of Navy for unlawful racial
discrimination against LT Charles Pham, in failing to provide proper
equipment and breach of contract and breach of duty of care, and
defamation;
2. The Senate Committee for Constitutional and Legal Affairs:
Senators
Barnett and Crossin et al, for conspiracy to pervert parliamentary
privilege to racially discriminate in senate inquiries.
We ask that the Australian Human Rights Commission terminate these
two
complaints asap. They have consent from us to use any pathetic
reasons
that they have been using: Out of time, Lacking in Substance.
If we don't get the termination papers by 30th May, we will consider
them terminated and that the Australian Human Rights Commission has
conspired to pervert the Human Rights Act. Citizen Arrest will be
filed against them and they may be apprehended on Indigenous and
Aboriginal Lands at any time and any place.
We advise the Australian Parliament that the Australian Constitution
is self-activated and doesnt need order from the High Court
Australia.
We advise the Australian Parliament of the Rule of Law enforced by
Lehane J in a 2000 decision for summary dimissal.
The dishonorable Australian Judicary and High Court Australia has
been
abusing their position and trust, in particular the use of ex parte
submissions where the appellant has no right of reply.
If the Australian Judiciary cannot follow their own laws, we will
apply Indigenous and Aboriginal Laws and International laws and the
Discrimination Act (UK) 1992.
In addition, we believe that curbing the power of gambling and pokies
is a wonderful idea: No need to play Russian Roulette with people's
lives. Data have shown that low income gamblers are most addicted
seeking to better their lives in the incorrect manner.
Signed:
Charles PHAM
Thursday, April 28, 2011
for Indigenous & Origines Genocide Centre
Director: Robbie THORPE
Special Counsel: Charles PHAM
PO BOX 1007
Springvale
VIC 3171
. /././
Government Shill #2
wrote:
No.
It is about respect. Respect for other people. We could do with a lot more of it
in this country.
Shill #2
--
We are none of us infallible--not even the youngest of us.
W.H. Thompson
B J Foster
We need to outlaw nannies
Kangaroo Court Australia
jg
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
I see it as a move back to law & order and decent social standards. The
feral element infesting our streets is a scar upon civilization. Well
done Baillieu government.
--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar
jg
> B J Foster wrote:
>> "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240 for
>> language that is considered indecent or offensive".
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
>>
>> This law is obscene
>
> I see it as a move back to law & order and decent social standards. The
> feral element infesting our streets is a scar upon civilization. Well
> done Baillieu government.
>
There are already laws against public obscenities and misbehavior, the
more we make a show of our impotent indignation the more the ferals do
it. Trying to protect society with more laws is seen as a sign of
weakness. There are plenty of smart people in jails.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
> Oy rool out a carbon tax wrote:
>> B J Foster wrote:
>>> "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240 for
>>> language that is considered indecent or offensive".
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
>>>
>>> This law is obscene
>>
>> I see it as a move back to law & order and decent social standards. The
>> feral element infesting our streets is a scar upon civilization. Well
>> done Baillieu government.
>>
>
> There are already laws against public obscenities and misbehavior,
> the more we make a show of our impotent indignation the more the ferals do
> it.
opinion, given their brilliant success with zero tolerance policing.
> Trying to protect society with more laws is seen as a sign of
> weakness.
That was the problem with the former regime. Plenty of fines for good
revenue targets e.g. motorists, but not even bothering to take
insolvents to court - no revenue gain and inadequate jails full already.
There are plenty of smart people in jails.
"suspended sentence loophole".
regn.pickford
> On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:31:01 +1000, B J Foster
> <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Under the proposed legislation, people could be fined close to $240
>> for language that is considered indecent or offensive".
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/31/3231985.htm
>>
>> This law is obscene
>
> No.
>
> It is about respect. Respect for other people. We could do with a lot
> more of it in this country.
>
jg
That's the difference between old laws actually being enforced and new
ones which probably won't be. The more noise we make from the back
office today, the less front line resources accompany it. Criminals are
the first to twig.
dechucka
"regn.pickford" <re...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
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never been to America obviously
Oy rool out a carbon tax
We could never expect proper law enforcement in Vic under Labor, as
evidenced by their appointment of a rolley polley interstate leftist
mascot for Chief Commissioner, followed by an equally dodgy replacement,
about to be ousted by the looks of it. But I do have faith that Peter
Ryan will stop the rot under Liberal and start getting the place back
into a 1st world civilized state. I actually *do* expect sentences to be
applied, instead of just sounding good on paper. His front line policing
is already coming into effect.
jg
If one person can fix yours in a year or two, it can't be that bad. WA
has suffered declining resources for over 20 years, not just police but
judicial, medical, education etc. Or keeping pace with demands of 25
years ago.
4 inmates to a one person jail cell and every pollie wants to 'get tough
on crime' and in the next breath 'slash the public service'. Liblabs are
all full of it.
It's also an endemic policy of moving people off the front line and not
even confined to public service. A mate is a lab tech in an independent
hospital, back where he first worked. Techs have gone from a busy 5 to
2, while hospital admin went from a one room office to a 2 story
dedicated building.
Spartan613
"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bring back public floggings. Graffiti etc would cease to be a problem very
quickly.
"Pain is nature's way of telling us to stop doing something".
Robert A. Heinlein.
>
>
Oy rool out a carbon tax
term look like things are heading along the right track. Zero tolerance
worked amazingly quickly in NYC.
> WA
> has suffered declining resources for over 20 years, not just police but
> judicial, medical, education etc. Or keeping pace with demands of 25
> years ago.
>
> 4 inmates to a one person jail cell and every pollie wants to 'get tough
> on crime' and in the next breath 'slash the public service'. Liblabs are
> all full of it.
>
> It's also an endemic policy of moving people off the front line and not
> even confined to public service. A mate is a lab tech in an independent
> hospital, back where he first worked. Techs have gone from a busy 5 to
> 2, while hospital admin went from a one room office to a 2 story
> dedicated building.
Not unusual. Layers of "middle management" created to manage other
layers of created management. Seen it all before. My sister is now
looking at redundancy because the financial realities have bitten, and
there's no budget left to pay for the actual "doers". They have to cull
the indians in order to pay all the management tiers they've built up
over the years. Been there in govt (but still ivory tower) scientific
research establishments too. The inverted pyramid hierarchy is endemic.
IIRC, the last DSTO establishment I was in ended up with well over 100
in the research scientist layers (of which I was one) and one... yes,
ONE!... technical assistant in the entire establishment! He was the most
"in demand" TA in history! ;-)
dechucka
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very sharia law of you
Sylvia Else
Is it anything other than a provision to issue penalty notices in
respect of conduct that would already be an offence and would currently
be handled by a court attendance notice?
Sylvia.
jg
"...analysts pointed out that the five boroughs that make up the city -
Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island - still have a
murder rate more than twice as high as London. New York has one murder
for every 16,600 inhabitants, while London has one for every 38,900.
New York officials say the improvement started with the zero-tolerance
crime policy introduced by Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the early 1990s. He
had been elected on a crimefighting pledge after homicides hit an
all-time high of 2,245 in 1990.
In 2003, the police launched Operation Impact, pouring officers on to
the streets of persistently high-crime areas. As well as murders, the
move is credited with cutting rapes, robberies, burglaries, car thefts
and violence in schools and on the subway.
In comparison with London, New York has a far larger army of crimefighters."
Epsilon
It gives permission to police to be the arbiters of correct behaviour in the
use of language.
For myself, I'd accept the police shooting some of the potential candidates
without further ado, but some would regard that as too advanced.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
effectively IMHO.
jg
Yes, when it is accompanied by the resources to enforce it. When the
resources are inadequate who cares what the punishment is?
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Of course. That's why I like to see what's happening in Vic. More police
out there (and it is noticeable) and away from their desks. Hopefully
more numbers in total, as the rebuild of the state will allow over time.
Favorite quote from Dudley Moore: "The best car safety device is a
rear-view mirror... with a cop car in it."
jg
More police are what enforce new laws or old. More laws alone from
behind a desk are just impotent dares.
Kangaroo Court Australia
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Very true. That's why I have hopes for the new approach of tough
policing, rather than swapping to baseball caps and pushed up sleeves,
to "identify" better with the young ferals.
jg
> jg wrote:
>>>
>> More police are what enforce new laws or old. More laws alone from
>> behind a desk are just impotent dares.
>
> Very true. That's why I have hopes for the new approach of tough
> policing, rather than swapping to baseball caps and pushed up sleeves,
> to "identify" better with the young ferals.
>
There is a cartoon of a few white chess pieces against a complete set of
black, one of the white is shouting "this is Sparta". That's how the
expression 'tough policing' alone, strikes me.
WA has a 2 speed economy with govt apparently sharing the slow lane.
Most other states (commercial sectors) have completely crap economies so
how the hell they can produce extra police while maintaining austerity
measures lib govts are so fond of proclaiming, in a climate of zero
profit to begin, is anyone's guess.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
As has been done every other time the police force is given a much
needed boost. By identifying and cutting the wasted spending and
budgeting appropriately. Looks like we won't be needing the desal plant
any more. There must be a few instant million or ten in just holding
back on that.
jg
> jg wrote:
>> Oy rool out a carbon tax wrote:
>>> jg wrote:
>> .........
>>>> More police are what enforce new laws or old. More laws alone from
>>>> behind a desk are just impotent dares.
>>> Very true. That's why I have hopes for the new approach of tough
>>> policing, rather than swapping to baseball caps and pushed up sleeves,
>>> to "identify" better with the young ferals.
>>>
>> There is a cartoon of a few white chess pieces against a complete set of
>> black, one of the white is shouting "this is Sparta". That's how the
>> expression 'tough policing' alone, strikes me.
>>
>> WA has a 2 speed economy with govt apparently sharing the slow lane.
>> Most other states (commercial sectors) have completely crap economies so
>> how the hell they can produce extra police while maintaining austerity
>> measures lib govts are so fond of proclaiming, in a climate of zero
>> profit to begin, is anyone's guess.
>
> As has been done every other time the police force is given a much
> needed boost. By identifying and cutting the wasted spending and
> budgeting appropriately. Looks like we won't be needing the desal plant
> any more. There must be a few instant million or ten in just holding
> back on that.
>
We've seen the results of that standard reply often enough. An active OS
recruitment campaign has seen a visible trend in WA toward police on the
beat being reminiscent of a youthful two Ronnies. Meanwhile there are
cutbacks everywhere which nobody wanted and our lib govt has still blown
its budget.
Criminals' worst fear here is treatment at the hands of outsourced
corrections department staff, still they have a better chance of escape.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Perhaps a "Malaysia Solution" for the next 800 serious offenders?
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
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Young ferals? this law will apply to all but only be enforced on some. I
remember the old days of the trifecta, offensive language, resist arrest and
assault police. Strangely the perps always admitted the crime in the back of
the paddy wagon but would never sign a statement
Oy rool out a carbon tax
> remember the old days of the trifecta, offensive language, resist arrest
> and assault police. Strangely the perps always admitted the crime in the
> back of the paddy wagon but would never sign a statement
And?
dechucka
>> Young ferals? this law will apply to all but only be enforced on some.
> Will it?
yes
>
>> remember the old days of the trifecta, offensive language, resist arrest
>> and assault police. Strangely the perps always admitted the crime in the
>> back of the paddy wagon but would never sign a statement
> And?
police corruption at its best, police as judge and jury unless you paid them
Green Lantern
"dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Govt consists of older ferals.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
>
>>> Young ferals? this law will apply to all but only be enforced on some.
>> Will it?
>
> yes
than swapping to baseball caps and pushed up sleeves, to "identify"
Do try to keep up.
>>
>>> remember the old days of the trifecta, offensive language, resist arrest
>>> and assault police. Strangely the perps always admitted the crime in the
>>> back of the paddy wagon but would never sign a statement
>> And?
>
> police corruption at its best, police as judge and jury unless you paid
> them
Like on the spot traffic fines, you mean?
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> dechucka wrote:
>>
>>>> Young ferals? this law will apply to all but only be enforced on some.
>>> Will it?
>>
>> yes
> The appeal to young ferals was in reference to "tough policing, rather
> than swapping to baseball caps and pushed up sleeves, to "identify"
> better with the young ferals." not who would & wouldn't get fined.
> Do try to keep up.
>
>>>
>>>> remember the old days of the trifecta, offensive language, resist
>>>> arrest
>>>> and assault police. Strangely the perps always admitted the crime in
>>>> the
>>>> back of the paddy wagon but would never sign a statement
>>> And?
>>
>> police corruption at its best, police as judge and jury unless you paid
>> them
> Like on the spot traffic fines, you mean?
yep except now they need evidence
Oy rool out a carbon tax
witness, should be disallowed now, just in case it's all a collaborative
corruption plot? Conspiracy theory on the way... get you tin hat ready.
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
I do suggest it. There was a case here not so long ago that was thrown out
because the cops conspired to all tell the same story
>Conspiracy theory on the way... get you tin hat ready.
I base it on what has happened in NSW
Oy rool out a carbon tax
>
>> Conspiracy theory on the way... get you tin hat ready.
>
> I base it on what has happened in NSW
get away with their crimes and continue to reoffend with impunity, than
to risk the possibility of false witness. Best disallow ALL witness
testimonies from court cases then... just in case. Hell, why not scrap
the entire Crimes Act? I'm sure you can find something else to trawl
through.
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
exactly
>>
>>> Conspiracy theory on the way... get you tin hat ready.
>>
>> I base it on what has happened in NSW
> So now you would advocate that it's better to allow more criminals to
> get away with their crimes and continue to reoffend with impunity, than
> to risk the possibility of false witness. Best disallow ALL witness
> testimonies from court cases then... just in case. Hell, why not scrap
> the entire Crimes Act? I'm sure you can find something else to trawl
> through.
So you are advocating the police as judge and jury as well. Interesting
justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are guilty but
we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
Kangaroo Court Australia
wrote:
Signed:
Charles PHAM
Thursday, April 28, 2011
//
Oy rool out a carbon tax
you see things like drunk & disorderly, violent or disorderly behaviour
and offensive behaviour wiped off the list of possible offenses. After
all, it's only the corrupt cops word against the feral's.
> Interesting
> justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are guilty
> but we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
Only in your conspiratorial imagination. What alternative system would
you propose, having disallowed the informant/witness testimony in a
court of law?
BTW, just heard a rather apt quote tonight:
"Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding. "
There might be something in that for all of us, don't you think?
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
but they are only judge and jury in these situations if you admit your
guilt. Court is always an option where they have to prove their case
>
>> Interesting
>> justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are guilty
>> but we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
> Only in your conspiratorial imagination. What alternative system would
> you propose, having disallowed the informant/witness testimony in a
> court of law?
>
> BTW, just heard a rather apt quote tonight:
> "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding. "
was Batman on the box last night
> There might be something in that for all of us, don't you think?
and I heard "It's better for four guilty men to go free than one innocent
man to be imprisoned,"
Oy rool out a carbon tax
>>
>>> Interesting
>>> justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are guilty
>>> but we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
>> Only in your conspiratorial imagination. What alternative system would
>> you propose, having disallowed the informant/witness testimony in a
>> court of law?
>>
>> BTW, just heard a rather apt quote tonight:
>> "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding. "
>
> was Batman on the box last night
Yep. Hadn't seen it before - not bad.
>> There might be something in that for all of us, don't you think?
>
> and I heard "It's better for four guilty men to go free than one
> innocent man to be imprisoned,"
What was that from?
Kangaroo Court Australia
dechucka
"Oy rool out a carbon tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
and show the cops as liars which has happened more than once
>
>>>
>>>> Interesting
>>>> justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are
>>>> guilty
>>>> but we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
>>> Only in your conspiratorial imagination. What alternative system would
>>> you propose, having disallowed the informant/witness testimony in a
>>> court of law?
>>>
>>> BTW, just heard a rather apt quote tonight:
>>> "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding. "
>>
>> was Batman on the box last night
> Yep. Hadn't seen it before - not bad.
>
>>> There might be something in that for all of us, don't you think?
>>
>> and I heard "It's better for four guilty men to go free than one
>> innocent man to be imprisoned,"
> What was that from?
some US football coach or something
Oy rool out a carbon tax
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting
>>>>> justification for the police committing perjury, we know they are
>>>>> guilty
>>>>> but we have no evidence that will stand up in court so we'll lie
>>>> Only in your conspiratorial imagination. What alternative system would
>>>> you propose, having disallowed the informant/witness testimony in a
>>>> court of law?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, just heard a rather apt quote tonight:
>>>> "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding. "
>>>
>>> was Batman on the box last night
>> Yep. Hadn't seen it before - not bad.
>>
>>>> There might be something in that for all of us, don't you think?
>>>
>>> and I heard "It's better for four guilty men to go free than one
>>> innocent man to be imprisoned,"
>> What was that from?
>
> some US football coach or something
Probably to do with a tribunal appeal for one of his own players.