Ridiculous spam and its legality
The Raven
over the last day, although we've had many mail versions of it from various
employee's of Kings, Princes, Governments, Accountants etc. For those not
aware, this is a modern version of an old sting to rip off your bank
account.
What's the legal status for this type of activity (the ripping off of your
account, not the bogus offer)? Is it a State, Federal, or International
issue?
The Raven
PS. Don't tell anyone about this.............................hahahahaha
CRAP BEGINS
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FROM: DR KITI JOHNSON
First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virtue
of its nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and TOP SECRET. Though I know
that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and
worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day.
We have decided to contact you by e-mail due to the urgency of this
transaction, as we have been reliably informed of it's swiftness and
confidentiality.
Let me start by first introducing myself properly to you. I am Dr Kiti
Johnson, an Audit-Manager at the Union Bank Nigeria PLC, Lagos. I came to
know of you in my private search for a reliable and reputable person to
handle a very confidential transaction which involves the transfer of a huge
sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence.
THE PROPOSITION:
A foreigner, late Engineer Johnson Creek, an Oil Merchant / contractor with
the federal Govenment of Nigeria, until his death three years ago in a
ghastly air crash, banked with us here at Union Bank PLC., Lagos, and had a
closing balance of USD$18.5M ( Eighteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand
United States Dollars) which the bank now unquestionably expects to be
claimed by any of his available foreign next of kin or alternatively be
donated to a discredited trust fund for alms and ammunition at a military
war college here in Nigeria.
Fervent valuable efforts are being made by the Union Bank to get in touch
with any of the Creek family or relatives but all have proved to no avail.
It is because of the perceived possibility of not going to be able to locate
any of late Engr. Johnson Creek's next of kin (he had no known wife and
children) that the management under the influence of our Chairman, board of
directors, Retired Major General Kalu Uke Kalu, that an arrangement for the
fund to be declared "UNCLAIMABLE" and then be subsequently donated to the
Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition which will further enhance the course of
war in Africa and the world in general.
In order to avert this negative development, myself and some of my trusted
colleagues in the bank now seek for your permission to have you stand as
late Engr. Johnson Creek's next of kin so that the fund, USD$18.5M would be
subsequently transferred and paid into your bank account as the beneficiary
next of kin. All documents and proves to enable you get this fund have been
carefully worked out and we are assuring you a 100% risk free involvement.
Your share would be 30% of the total amount. 10% has been set aside for
expenses while the rest would be for myself and my colleagues for investment
purposes in your country.
If this proposal is OK. by you and you do wish to take advantage of the
trust we hope to bestow on you and your company, then kindly get to me
immediately via my e-mail furnishing me with your most confidential
telephone, fax number and exclusive e-mail so that I can forward to you the
relevant details of this transaction.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated co-operation.
Regards,
DR KITI JOHNSON
UNION BANK PLC.
N.B. PLEASE, FOR CONFIDENTIAL REASON, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEND MY E-MAIL
REPLY TO kitij...@hotmail.com ONLY. DO NOT SEND MAILS TO MY OFFICE
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Rod Speed
The Raven <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:RerL5.11554$SF5.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> The following spam is the second of its type to be received at our offices
> over the last day, although we've had many mail versions of it from various
> employee's of Kings, Princes, Governments, Accountants etc. For those not
> aware, this is a modern version of an old sting to rip off your bank account.
Its normally a bit more complicated than just that, with
them asking for money from you to get it going etc.
> What's the legal status for this type of activity
> (the ripping off of your account, not the bogus offer)?
They cant rip off your account if you just tell them the account number.
You would certainly be asked to forward some money
to them to get the transaction going and if you are
stupid enough to be fooled on that, they are clearly
telling you lies etc when no money ever comes back.
Even just the claim to be Kiti etc are obviously a pack of lies.
> Is it a State, Federal, or International issue?
Normally it would be Nigerian law that matters.
> PS. Don't tell anyone about this.............................hahahahaha
That 'Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition' is a nice touch |-)
Cant imagine why for the life of me.
Ian Staples
>The Raven <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
>news:RerL5.11554$SF5.2...@ozemail.com.au...
>
>That 'Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition' is a nice touch |-)
>
>> [...] alms and ammunition [...]
Now that's a *nicer* touch. ;-)
Cheers, Ian S.
Rod Speed
Ian Staples <ia...@refer.to.sig.au.invalid> wrote
in message news:8tlu6g$csr$2...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
>>That 'Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition' is a nice touch |-)
> Actually, it was:
> >> [...] alms and ammunition [...]
You damned lying cane toad. I cut and pasted that you toad |-)
> Now that's a *nicer* touch. ;-)
I'll have you publicly flogged, by an AIDS ravaged Nigerian.
Ian Staples
>in message news:8tlu6g$csr$2...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
>> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> The Raven <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote
>
>>>That 'Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition' is a nice touch |-)
>
>> Actually, it was:
>
>> >> [...] alms and ammunition [...]
>
>You damned lying cane toad. I cut and pasted that you toad |-)
Plagiarising again, eh? ;-)
But I confess I did notice the actual quote you used further
down in the article. There was no point spoiling a good story
with the facts by then though, because I'd already sent it off
to the whole wide world. :-)
>
>> Now that's a *nicer* touch. ;-)
And I still like the irony in their "alms and ammunition" better
than their "Trust Fund for ..." anyway.
Cheers, Ian S.
Leon Garde
> The following spam is the second of its type to be received at our offices
> over the last day, although we've had many mail versions of it from various
> employee's of Kings, Princes, Governments, Accountants etc. For those not
> aware, this is a modern version of an old sting to rip off your bank
> account.
How can they rip off the bank account ?
please tell.
I mean, people give bank account details out for direct deposits.
If it is such a problem, maybe everyone should get a B-PAY number
so as to avoid this ?
I thought the more direct way to profit from this is to collect a large fee
from the phone company.
ie tell the phone company that you are a "fortune telling company"
and all callers will know the fee is $200 US ...
and so when they call they get charged $200 US.
Even if they call to say how stupid the scheme is, they get stung.
Even if the calls will be charged at normal rates, a small
commission may be the difference between life and death in Nigeria.
> What's the legal status for this type of activity (the ripping off of your
> account, not the bogus offer)? Is it a State, Federal, or International
> issue?
It is up to Nigerian law.
If it means the nigerian phone company survives, they probably are
responsible.
leon
Leon Garde
> Ian Staples <ia...@refer.to.sig.au.invalid> wrote
> in message news:8tlu6g$csr$2...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
>> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> The Raven <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote
>>>That 'Trust Fund for Arms and Ammunition' is a nice touch |-)
>> Actually, it was:
>> >> [...] alms and ammunition [...]
> You damned lying cane toad. I cut and pasted that you toad |-)
It was spelled correctly at least once,
and spelled incorrectly once as well.
leon
arn_werks
This is periodic scam that seems to move about the world in a
wave and is usually followed by a series of minor invoices, not
necessarily to the same businesses, for office supplies,
lights, or such office items that are small but add up quickly.
Please watch to make sure that you are not paying off on
fraudulent billings.
Cordially,
Red Bell.
Horace Wachope
> over the last day, although we've had many mail versions of it from various
> employee's of Kings, Princes, Governments, Accountants etc. For those not
> aware, this is a modern version of an old sting to rip off your bank
> account.
A few years ago, I got one of these personally addressed to me in the snail mail
with Nigerian stamps and everything.
Paul Parker
(a) believed scam email
(b) email bounce notice indicating another party's
fraudulent usage of userA's email address.
What are reponsibilities, and options for userA ?
What are the responsibilities for ISP's generally, and userA's ISP,
to do anything ?
No, is not part of a course.. I feel like userA at present..
Paul.
"arn_werks" <arn_...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3A038C28...@mindspring.com...
> Sirs and Ma'ams:
> This is periodic scam that seems to move about the world in a
> wave and is usually followed by a series of minor invoices, not
> necessarily to the same businesses, for office supplies,
> lights, or such office items that are small but add up quickly.
> Please watch to make sure that you are not paying off on
> fraudulent billings.
> Cordially,
> Red Bell.
>
>
> The Raven wrote:
> >
arn_werks
I assume that you are writing from outside the United States,
but the same scams seem to come in waves here and seem mostly to
originate from Nigeria. There is little that can be done in the
United States, unless you are lucky enough to receive the
solicitation through a Government postal carrier who has the
power to prosecute under the laws regarding regarding the Use of
the US Postal Service to Defraud some one. I have no idea how
the Australian Law regards such misuse of its Postal Service.
The world wide web in France has some integral relationship with
the postal service. They may have powers to prosecute the
offending parties, if the messages could be routed through
France and the French Government were willing to act as a
policeman for these matters. Ask a French consulate. The
Australian and British consulates have been very helpful to me
on matters that were far from this area. but they seemed egear
to help when they could.
I honestly doubt that there is any police agency in the world
who has jurisdiction or interest in this form of internet crime.
I will respectfully pass on three rules.
1. If it looks too good to be true, it's a lie.
2. A fool and his money are soon parted.
3. You can not cheat an honest man.
I'm sorry that I cannot give more specific help and advice,
Cordially,
Red
Paul Parker
hobby was seen ;-) Now our hobby is big business, a formal means of
communications. As a formal means of communications, procedures and
liabilities for fraud need improve, at least become clearer.
Whilst will never get rid of fraud, at least can reduce quantity, ..or
improve quality.
Newspapers, publishers generally, TV and radio stations have
liability for what is communicated through their media.
What or where are liabilities and responsibilities for ISP's ?
What or where are liabilities and responsibilities for law enforcement
agencies ?
Do Police have an active role in locating and prosecuting those
attempting fraud ?
regards, Paul
"arn_werks" <arn_...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Martin Taylor
ar> I honestly doubt that there is any police agency in the world
ar> who has jurisdiction or interest in this form of internet crime.
I s'pose it all gets back to how serious the crime or scam is, and if it
warrants it, to be able to extradite the offender(s) to the countries
that they've affected for prosecution.
In the end, it's like you say, best to ignore such scam/spam and send it
straight into the bin.
How's this for spam pain? I recently opened a Hotmail account. I hadn't
used it. A day later I logged in to send a message, and already there
were about a dozen messages, all offering to sell me cheap loans, credit
and the like. Meanwhile Hotmail's been advertising its wonderful
anti-spam technology...
I forwarded all the spam to Hotmail's abuse section, along with a
question as to how my newly opened, and as yet unused account could
attract so many spams in a 24 hour period.
As I write, I've yet to hear from Hotmail, and I doubt that I will. I'm
just glad I don't have to pay for it.
MJT
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