Why did the Liberals try to murder Normie Rowe?
fasgnadh
Over the last few years we have grown accustomed to
tory Governments acting more like Soviet apparatchiks,
detaining and even deporting Australian citizens on entirely
spurious grounds, but those human rights abuses pall into
insignificance compared to the conspiracy to assassinate Normie
Row by falsely drafting him and sending him into a war zone
where he faced death.
The last time I can recall someone attempting this was in the
biblical story of King David, who, coveting the wife of
"HE was Australia's most famous Vietnam conscript
but it can now be revealed that pop idol Normie
Rowe was falsely drafted into the army.
And he should never have been sent to war."
- Herald Sun 15/5/2008
"The Department of Veterans' Affairs has this week
confirmed that Rowe's birth date - February 1, 1947
- was never raised in the controversial ballot of
dates that selected which 20-year-old men would be
called up to serve.
Mystery surrounds how the nation's most high-profile
pop singer could have been singled out for conscription.
But the "ballot" that drafted Rowe was one of the last
conducted behind closed doors."
The Holt Government ministers at the time clearly have
a serious case to answer, Allen Fairhall, Minister for
Defence and Leslie Bury, Minister for Labour and
National Service.
The former members of the relevant standing committee
of Cabinet, the Defence Preparations Committee should
also be summonsed before an appropriate Senate or Royal
Commission.
"Later drafts were televised, with no possibility the
process could be manipulated."
In 1967, Rowe had just returned from his second trip to
London, where he was trying for a breakthrough, and had
a string of Australian hits to his credit when he was
told he had been called up for two years' army service.
He faced the news stoically, but it ended his pop dreams,
as he knew it would. Yet even for an ambitious singer,
it was a call to duty."
He, like those Australian citizens who were falsely detained
in Howard's gulags, or deported, should have grounds to sue
for all his lost income, and damages for the unnecessary risks
that he might be killed.
"There were many other young Australians who were apprentices
and tradesmen who'd done the same. I wasn't going to duck out
of national service if my number came up."
So he served a year in Vietnam at the height of his fame.
Years later, a chance encounter with a policeman born the
same day had Rowe wondering if something untoward had happened.
Rowe still does not know how he came to be called up but some
see clues in the terrific publicity generated when Elvis Presley
was enlisted into the US army 10 years earlier."
If that was the case is was not only an act of complete
tory bastardy, but also a criminal matter and an outrageous
abuse of power.
The current government should set up an inquiry to determine who
was responsible and have charges of attempted murder brought
against them.
"Rowe has just finished filming a yet-to-be-screened documentary,
The PM Is Missing, in which he plays the part of Harold Holt, who
disappeared while swimming at Cheviot Beach in December 1967.
Holt, prime minister at the time of Rowe's recruitment to the
army, may have been one of the few people who could have solved
the mystery."
Fortunately there are many more Liberal government ministers
who can be held to account.
Peter Webb
"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Over the last few years we have grown accustomed to
> tory Governments acting more like Soviet apparatchiks,
> detaining and even deporting Australian citizens on entirely
> spurious grounds, but those human rights abuses pall into
> insignificance compared to the conspiracy to assassinate Normie
> Row by falsely drafting him and sending him into a war zone
> where he faced death.
>
> The last time I can recall someone attempting this was in the
> biblical story of King David, who, coveting the wife of
>
>
>
>
> "HE was Australia's most famous Vietnam conscript
> but it can now be revealed that pop idol Normie
> Rowe was falsely drafted into the army.
>
> And he should never have been sent to war."
> - Herald Sun 15/5/2008
>
> "The Department of Veterans' Affairs has this week
> confirmed that Rowe's birth date - February 1, 1947
> - was never raised in the controversial ballot of
> dates that selected which 20-year-old men would be
> called up to serve.
>
> Mystery surrounds how the nation's most high-profile
> pop singer could have been singled out for conscription.
>
> But the "ballot" that drafted Rowe was one of the last
> conducted behind closed doors."
>
An interesting contradiction.
The premise of the story is that Rowe's birthday was not one of the ones
selected by the ballot.
Why then would it be significant that the ballot was conducted behind closed
doors, if the ballot didn't actually select Rowe's birthday?
Which raises another contradiction in this story - why bother taking the
very risky course of calling up Rowe if his birthday was not selected by
ballot, when it would have been far simpler and much less risky to ensure
his birthday was one of the ones selected by the ballot? (It wasn't).
It turns out, according to the guy interviewed on the ABC, that
non-residents of Australia (which is what Rowe was at the time) used
different birthday sequences in the ballot.
Boring and unexciting though this explanation is, it does avoid the
contradictions of the "conspiracy theory" of the usual loony crowd.
Polly the Parrot
> Holt, prime minister at the time of Rowe's recruitment to the
> army, may have been one of the few people who could have solved
> the mystery."
What mystery?
He was balloted, so what?
I wasn't, but wanted to go - didn't get there.
Should I blame the Liberals for this?
fasgnadh
>
> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:482bfa89$0$13946$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> Over the last few years we have grown accustomed to
>> tory Governments acting more like Soviet apparatchiks,
>> detaining and even deporting Australian citizens on entirely
>> spurious grounds, but those human rights abuses pall into
>> insignificance compared to the conspiracy to assassinate Normie
>> Row by falsely drafting him and sending him into a war zone
>> where he faced death.
>>
>> The last time I can recall someone attempting this was in the
>> of Uriah, arranges for a one-night stand in his luxurious suite,
>> and when she falls pregnant, has Uriah sent to battle and
>> ultimately killed and takes Bathsheba for his wife.
>>
>> "HE was Australia's most famous Vietnam conscript
>> but it can now be revealed that pop idol Normie
>> Rowe was falsely drafted into the army.
>>
>> And he should never have been sent to war."
>> - Herald Sun 15/5/2008
>>
>> "The Department of Veterans' Affairs has this week
>> confirmed that Rowe's birth date - February 1, 1947
>> - was never raised in the controversial ballot of
>> dates that selected which 20-year-old men would be
>> called up to serve.
>>
>> Mystery surrounds how the nation's most high-profile
>> pop singer could have been singled out for conscription.
A mystery which Webb does nothing to clarify, although
he does try and muddy the water so that those responsible for this
outrageous abuse of state power go unquestioned and never be held
to account! 8^o
>> But the "ballot" that drafted Rowe was one of the last
>> conducted behind closed doors."
>>
>
> An interesting contradiction.
Only to you, because you appear not to understand whats going on. B^D
> The premise of the story is that Rowe's birthday was not one of the ones
> selected by the ballot.
What ballot?
The assumption which you have made assumes there was one,
but as it was a closed system you have no proof there was a ballot,
they may simply have picked dates of birth of the young men courting
their daughters. ;-)
Why do you always jump to confusions based on NO DATA! B^
What we do know is that Rowe's birthday was not the basis on which he
was conscripted, and the voodoo that went on behind closed doors is not
the issue, the ILLEGAL CONSCRIPTION IS!
Why do you tories always aim for smoke and mirror obfuscation to
cover up?
> Why then would it be significant that the ballot was conducted behind
> closed doors,
Because no one would possibly know that Rowe's birthdate was NOT
selected by ballot, you dimwit.. and the Lieberals conscripted
him - the the ONLY person in the country with that birthdate who
was conscripted!
No one knows, or cares, if they counted syphillis scabs on
each others genitals to determine the other young men who would
be sent to war.
> if the ballot didn't actually select Rowe's birthday?
You have some doubt? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAAHA
If there was a ballot, and his number was up , then others
with the same birthdate would have been conscripted with him.
So, I understand your desire to coverup, but do you think
your lunatic dance of the broken winged dimwit will suffice
as a distraction? B^D
> Which raises another contradiction in this story - why bother taking the
> very risky course of calling up Rowe if his birthday was not selected by
> ballot,
Because a secret process meant no one would realise for FORTY YEARS,
you blathering idiot! B^D
> when it would have been far simpler and much less risky to
> ensure his birthday was one of the ones selected by the ballot?
They did, the 'ballot' was a piece of string.
A Humpty Dumpty artifice, which they perverted.
"Who do we want to be conscripted? Normie Rowe.
Oh look, magically his birthdate has been 'balloted',
not everyone else with that birthdate, just him!" B^p
BECAUSE the 'ballot process' was secret, no one could dispute their
chicanery.
> (It wasn't).
>
> It turns out, according to the guy interviewed on the ABC,
WHich guy? What ABC program are you citing?
Is this your latest version of the 'secret ballot'!?
"Trust us, it was all above board, just ignore the
man conscripted even though his number never came up!"
You tories are a fucking RIOT!
NO ONE has any rights worth protecting, in your view,
except YOURS, yo fuck everyone else over, at will!
What a classic in Lieberal 'Born to rule' mentality.
> that
> non-residents of Australia (which is what Rowe was at the time) used
> different birthday sequences in the ballot.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAA!
WTF is a 'birthday sequence'? B^D
Listen diposhit, no one thinks the following is TRUE, because
it is the story told by those lying bastards falsely conscripted
their target.. but THEIR claim is that conscripts were selected
by having their birthdate selected randomly from a ballot.
Clearly that is bullshit. At least in this man's case.
And there was never any magic alternative 'birthday sequence',
so please don't pull one post hoc, from your arse,
or the arse of another lying, self serving tory liar.
> Boring and unexciting though this explanation is,
Sure, if you say so, but the critical problem is that
it is nonsensical and irrational! B^D
> it does avoid the
truth.
and replaces it with
..
> the "conspiracy theory" of the usual loony crowd.
Give my regards to your fellow loonies.
As you have done nothing to explain why this man was corruptly
conscripted under the Holt government in 1967, the investigation
must proceed.
You should probably go and play with your contradictions.
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Peter Webb
Well, there was some process for selecting birth dates, but Rowe's birthday
was NOT selected by this process.
> Why do you always jump to confusions based on NO DATA! B^
>
Everybody acknowledges there was a birthdate ballot; indeed the days
selected have been available for years. Rowe found it by accident.
> What we do know is that Rowe's birthday was not the basis on which he was
> conscripted, and the voodoo that went on behind closed doors is not
> the issue, the ILLEGAL CONSCRIPTION IS!
>
> Why do you tories always aim for smoke and mirror obfuscation to
> cover up?
>
Well, no. Your contention makes no sense. How could the ballot have been
fixed but still not select Rowe's birthdate?
If I was trying to fix it so that Rowe was conscripted, I would do as you
imply - simply fix it so his birthday came up. But they obviously didn't fix
the ballot, because his birtday didn't come up.
The alternative - which obviously happened - was that his birthday didn't
come up in the ballot, and he was conscripted anyway. This is a much higher
risk strategy, as it only requies one other person to notice they had the
same birthdate as Rowe and wasn't conscripted, and the "fraud" is detected.
Its a wonder that it wasn't at the time or soon after - meeting somebody
with the same birthdate is not uncommon, and Rowe was a very public figure.
The only explanation I have heard that addresses this issue is the official
one, that non-residents were treated differently.
I actually don't believe this one either. Why should non-residents be
selected on the basis of different birthdates?
What I think may have happened is that Rowe did a deal in order to get
conscripted, seeing the success this had given to Elvis (and our Government
saw the boost this gave to the US Government). Like Presley, he was treated
as a regular grunt. The problem was of course that you couldn't volunteer
for conscription, so Rowe and the Government "bent" the rules to get him in.
Now Rowe is getting a little dotty and telling a different story, though you
notice that at no stage does he express the slightest regret or rancour
about what happened.
Ray Murphy
"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> tory Governments acting more like Soviet apparatchiks,
> detaining and even deporting Australian citizens on entirely
> spurious grounds, but those human rights abuses pall into
> insignificance compared to the conspiracy to assassinate Normie
> Row by falsely drafting him and sending him into a war zone
> where he faced death.
>
> The last time I can recall someone attempting this was in the
> biblical story of King David, who, coveting the wife of
>
>
>
>
> "HE was Australia's most famous Vietnam conscript
> but it can now be revealed that pop idol Normie
> Rowe was falsely drafted into the army.
>
> And he should never have been sent to war."
> - Herald Sun 15/5/2008
>
> "The Department of Veterans' Affairs has this week
> confirmed that Rowe's birth date - February 1, 1947
> - was never raised in the controversial ballot of
> dates that selected which 20-year-old men would be
> called up to serve.
[.....]
The way I understand it from reading Wikipedia and the official rules,
is this:
XX.08.1966 - Normie went to the UK to work.
XX.01.1967 - Normie was required to register for National service if
he was ordinarily resident in Australia.
10.03.1967 - Fifth ballot was held on 10th March and Nornie's B/date
of 1st Feb was selected.
XX.07.1967 - Returned to Australia for a working visit then back to
the UK.
XX.08.1967 - He returned from the UK (and presumably registered within
the required 14 days for men overseas)
08.09.1967 - Sixth ballot held for men born after 1st July 47 AND men
who were born before 1st July who had been overseas. Normie's B/date
of 1st Feb 47 came up.
X.02.1968 - Inducted into National Service.
15.03.1968 - Seventh ballot held. If Normie missed the 8th Sept
deadline with a good reason, then he should have been put in this
ballot where his B/date didn't come up.
AFTERWARDS: A separate ballot was supposedly held for men who had been
overseas. Normie was supposedly included in that ballot and his birth
date supposedly came up. (This extra ballot was unnecessary when the
rules already provided for inclusion in ordinary ballots if men were
born before the current date-range and were overseas).
It sounds like Normie didn't register before 8th September. If he had,
then because registrations were accepted up until the date of the
ballot, he would have been in that 8th September ballot and WOULD have
had his birth date drawn.
If he didn't register by 8th Sept AND was in in country, which he
apparently was, then he was liable under the rules to be called up as
a penalty unless a good reason was provided.. If taht happened then he
should have been in the Seventh ballot where his date didn't come up.
* I didn't check the rules to see if the special ballots for overseas
men were actually a part of the rules or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normie_Rowe
http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/viet_app.asp
Ray
Ray Murphy
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(1) Above I misinterpreted the meaning of "ordinarily resident in
Australia".
That refers to Australian citizens who normally lived here being
required to be in the ballot for National Service. If they didn't
normally live here they didn't have to be in the ballot. So Normie
was NOT required to register in the 2-week period in Jan 1967
even though he was "ordinarily resident in Australia". He was
exempt from registration (and most Australian law) while he was
not on Australian soil.
(2) Normie was required to register "within 14 days" of returning
from overseas. He apparently returned some time in August 1967
so if he returned before about 20th August he was required to
register and be in the ballot of 8th September. If he returned
after 20th, he could have legitimately waited 13 days and registered
after 8th September and been in the following ballot of 15th March
1968.
(3) If the "sooper-secret ballot" for men who had been overseas
was not a part of the rules, and was held in direct contradiction of
the rules, then it may have been a complete fraud. It would be
important to hear about others who had been overseas and who
were supposedly in those strange and unnecessary extra ballots.
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Unrelated comment:
In 1971 while conscription and service in Vietnam was still very
much a hot issue I asked a friendly Army staff sergeant from
Watsonia who was waiting for a train on a railway station about
conscripts going to Vietnam against their will.
He seemed genuinely astonished by the concept and said "Mate,
that's the LAST thing we need in Vietnam - blokes who don't want
to be there!" He went on to explain the situation and said
"You've got to understand that these blokes train together every
day and they make good friends, and by the time it comes to move
out they want to be here to keep their mates alive". He added
"If THEY don't want to be there WE don't want them there either,
because they'd only bugger us up!".
Ray