suggestions on a $1500 please - preferably australian "made"
corks
tho i do like thier sound , so i guess im looking for something more refined
or details?????
either a "biggish bookshelf" or a "smaller sized tower" speaker
source is a denon dvd 2900 and amp is a marantz pm8000
i listen to all sorts of thing bar say heavy metal and country and techno
stuff.
heavier stuff id listen to would be say linkin park, front line assembly ,
husker du
dancier stuff would be say new order, yello , depeche mode
i like a lof of the ambient stuff like the cafe del mar series, alot of
sound track stuff and i like a lot of stuff
with female vocals, say lisa gerrard, beth orton, sarah mclachlan.
these days i dont play that loud , usually around the 9o'clock to say 10
o'clock on the volume
im not a bass head and i dont like speakers that are too bright or over
emphasis sibulance (spitty) , id say if anything i like a natural detailed
sound (ie im not so sure about the linn or naim just play the tunes idea???)
listening room is about 3.5 meters wide and 5.5 long (approx)
is this price range , i figure something like
the equinox solstice (book shelf) or Periphelion (tower)
maybe the legend kantu 3 (not sure on price tho)
note perfect orion - tho im not sure of price
redgum do a floor stander - not idea on sound or price tho
sonique do the 4.5 bookshelft or the 5,5 tower
the loud speaker kit compnay do a tower speaker - tl6
whatmough do the p21 floorstander , p11 bookshelf.
orpheus do the Orpheus Aurora 2 $1400 floorstander
and that'll do
any suggestions or ideas on what might fit the bill
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zx7r->trx850->900ss->zx636r->yzf750r
MDHJWH
As posted here previously by F X Holden:-
Loudspeakers influence the sound of your system more than any other
single component and should make up the biggest single expenditure in
your system. Aside from second hand items (which can be ok) you will
get best value from Australian made speakers and even better value
from a good tested kit you can assemble yourself.
AUSTRALIAN SPEAKERS ARE RECOMENDED AS A BEST BUY because (all other
things being equal):
Australian manufacturers should be equal to any knowledge or materials
in the world.
Speakers are heavy AND bulky to import completely made up. By buying
Australian you save considerable shipping / transport costs.
Cabinet assembly is relatively labour intensive so you can save money
by buying a local Completely Knocked Down (CKD) Kit and assembling it
yourself.
KITS
Most kits are easier than an IKEA table to assemble. The only bit that
can be difficult and require some basic and easily learnt skill is
veneering. Or better still get someone who knows about veneering to do
it.
AUSTRALIAN SPEAKERS
Incomplete list of Australian speaker makers, assemblers or cabinet
makers with websites as at 14 April 2004
Some of these are available as parts to be assembled as kits.
Others may care to flesh this out with Australian speaker mobs I have
missed or who do not have a web presence.
www.acousticconcepts.com.au/
www.aksaonline.com/
www.ambiencespeakers.com.au/
www.audiosoundlabs.com.au
www.duntech.com.au
www.electrostaticspeakers.com/
www.eraudio.com.au/
www.asm.com.au
www.equinoxaudio.com.au
www.krix.com.au
www.legendspeakers.com.au
www.theloudspeakerkit.com/
www.noteperfect.com.au/
www.orpheusaudio.com.au
www.osbornloudspeakers.com.au
www.perigee.com.au
www.revolutionloudspeakers.com.au/
www.spot.com.au/aaron
www.sonique.com.au
www.subsonic.com.au
www.vaf.com.au
www.wescomponents.com/SSS/
www.whatmough.com.au/
www.whise.com.au/
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/gradds/Argos%20Loudspeakers.asp
http://users.chariot.net.au/~pennington/
http://users.gravity.net.au/sonicart/loudspeakers.htm
http://users.chariot.net.au/~vsound/vsound/
www.caliph.net.au/~panda/bocchtech/bocchinoaudio/bocchaudshort.htm
..
Whatmough are having a clearance sale of their P series which is about
to be replaced with new designs. For your musical tastes I'd recommend
the P31. Be warned however that I'm biased as i run a pair with one of
Whatmough's 'Typhoon' subs as the P31's on their own don't do pipe
organ all that well.
Public Image Ltd
>
Bugger it, I can't resist being provocative. Why do people insist on
listing their musical tastes as a guide to hi-fi selection? Most
tastes have the same general requirements. Unless you listen
exclusively to vocal music, or solo folkies strumming on an acoustic
guitar, you need bass. And almost everything sounds better loud. So
IMHO this taste thing really only matters if you are contemplating
ribbons or electrostatics, which you won't be on that budget.
corks
listing what you listen i think helps id what sort of sound you might be
listening to/looking for
no point someone who listens exclusively to heavy metal or big band
classical reccomending something
i think it just helps
imho a questions with heaps of info - beats i have $1500 to spend on
speakers wot should i get
--
cb250rs->gpx600r->xj650->fzs600->trx850->
zx7r->trx850->900ss->zx636r->yzf750r
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Dale
> if somebody was to listen to similar stuff , then they might have an idea
>
> listing what you listen i think helps id what sort of sound you might be
> listening to/looking for
>
> no point someone who listens exclusively to heavy metal or big band
> classical reccomending something
>
> i think it just helps
>
> imho a questions with heaps of info - beats i have $1500 to spend on
> speakers wot should i get
Hi Corks,
I agree.
And for speakers, I would always suggest Oz made first however as a second
(but not to quality) and also a good comparison try (I am assuming you live
in Perth WA) Frank Prowse HiFi they will always have something good in most
budgets excepting cheap and crappy. Bring music you like to play as this
does make a difference. The folks there are always happy to help and will
let you compare whatever you want to buy to speakers costing 3 times as
much. I like to do this as then I know what I am not buying in sound as well
as what I am getting.
Also try Pierre at Simply HiFi, He imports ProAc and they have a large range
in budget and are an excellent speaker to listen to.
Hope this helps,
Dale
BTW, My first quality speaker was a small 2-way floorstander with 6.5"
mid/woofer (JPW ML810). They sounded excellent with all types of music with
great bass and presence for what they cost. At the time they cost me $1400
new.
David Mayer
Dave
MDHJWH
when you grow up sony.
P 31 A M
Mr Peter Wong
down to epos vs equinox. can't say which is better as diff equipment and diff
room.
i compared to sonique, dynaudio, quad 11Ls
Patric Scully
<triga...@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>im having a look around for new speakers to replace my dynaudio image 3's,
>tho i do like thier sound , so i guess im looking for something more refined
>or details?????
>
>either a "biggish bookshelf" or a "smaller sized tower" speaker
>
>source is a denon dvd 2900 and amp is a marantz pm8000
>
>i listen to all sorts of thing bar say heavy metal and country and techno
>stuff.
>
>heavier stuff id listen to would be say linkin park, front line assembly ,
>husker du
>
>dancier stuff would be say new order, yello , depeche mode
>
>i like a lof of the ambient stuff like the cafe del mar series, alot of
>sound track stuff and i like a lot of stuff
>with female vocals, say lisa gerrard, beth orton, sarah mclachlan.
>
>these days i dont play that loud , usually around the 9o'clock to say 10
>o'clock on the volume
>
>im not a bass head and i dont like speakers that are too bright or over
>emphasis sibulance (spitty) , id say if anything i like a natural detailed
>sound (ie im not so sure about the linn or naim just play the tunes idea???)
>
>listening room is about 3.5 meters wide and 5.5 long (approx)
While you're at it, check out the Krix range. From the Equinox and KDX
systems , bookshelf/stand mounted units that go down to around
50/55Hz up through the Lyrix floorstander range IMO you should find a
solution within your price range. If you are in WA, visit one of the
West Coast Hi Fi outlets - they are to be found both in and outside
Perth and usually do a good deal. Also Frank Prowse HiFi in Mosman
Park is worth a visit, although they need taming when it comes to
price.
Visit the Krix website at www.krix.com.au to see the range, and to
read the reviews from the US and other places to get a feel for what
other people have found with these units.
I have had a set of Equinox/KDX units for the combined HT/Audio system
at home in the family room and have found that they are equally good
on HT and music. For music it is very rarely that they would be found
lacking in bass response, and for all else they are excellent
performers.
They manage to satisfy the requirements of our grandchildren on the
likes of Metallica, G & R and the like; while at the same time giving
great pleasure on middle of the road pop through chamber/light
classical to the baroque and grand opera. Even on organ music they
give an excellent performance although not able to go down to the
lower pedal notes, and they are excellent on acoustic instruments,
giving very realistic renditions of guitar and lute. The are very good
on the latest stuff from the John Butler Trio. This is a band that I
have a good deal of experience listening in the real so I have had a
chance to compare their ability to deliver a realistic performance.
regards
Patric Scully, The Soundman
Jeremy
> muck...@yahoo.com.au (Public Image Ltd) wrote in message news:<de4c4b8.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> > "corks" <triga...@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:<4083ff4a$0$16599$5a62...@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
> > >
> > > any suggestions or ideas on what might fit the bill
> >
> > Bugger it, I can't resist being provocative. Why do people insist on
> > listing their musical tastes as a guide to hi-fi selection?
music. These may have eqivalents in other types of music but if you
can say "listen to track 3 of X for this" it can be more helpful than
saying listen to what happens at 40Hz at 101dB
Two of the most common flaws in speakers (especially on a budget) can
be spittiness and boomy bass. If you listen to close miked unprocessed
vocals you don't want sibillance problems. If you like jazz bassists
you won't want boom and you'll want flat to 40Hz but sibillance won't
be an issue.
Most
> > tastes have the same general requirements.
True. A good speaker is a good speaker.
Unless you listen
> > exclusively to vocal music, or solo folkies strumming on an acoustic
> > guitar, you need bass. And almost everything sounds better loud.
Hmm... high volume can mask a number of problems because listeners
have become used to loud=distorted.
So
> > IMHO this taste thing really only matters if you are contemplating
> > ribbons or electrostatics, which you won't be on that budget.
> Almost everything sounds better loud ? Well ask you that question in a few decades
> when you grow up sony.
LMAO Grow up Sony! I know Sony put out a My first Sony range a few
years back. And I suppose some parents use Playstations as
babysitters.
Jeremy
>
> P 31 A M
Public Image Ltd
> when you grow up sony.
Personally, I'd rather grow up Philips and keep it European :-)
Anyways, my (alleged) geriatric kitten, it goes something like this -
ask yourself what is the main thing anyone does when they are trying
to show-off their sound system? Hint: it usually involves the volume
control!
Corks, I think your wide-ranging tastes simply illustrate that you
need general-purpose speakers, like most of us. In particular, there
would seem to be occasions when you want them to go both deep and
reasonably loud. A more informative aspect would be whether you either
want or have room for floorstanders. And then there is that perennial
issue of whether or not you have any ambitions to integrate these
speakers into a home theatre system ...
Newsy
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> mdh...@iprimus.com.au (MDHJWH) wrote in message
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> > muck...@yahoo.com.au (Public Image Ltd) wrote in message
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> > > "corks" <triga...@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> > > >
> Two of the most common flaws in speakers (especially on a budget) can
> be spittiness and boomy bass. If you listen to close miked unprocessed
> vocals you don't want sibillance problems. If you like jazz bassists
> you won't want boom and you'll want flat to 40Hz but sibillance won't
> be an issue.
>
Sibillance does not originate from the speaker - it originates from the
recording
Rod
>
Phil Allison
"Newsy" <rll...@hotmail.com>
>
> Sibillance does not originate from the speaker - it originates from the
> recording
** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated by the
close mic and over processing and general lack of high frequency headroom in
the recording chain. De-essers are an abomination.
Then and finally crook speakers make it into a nasty noise.
............. Phil
Newsy
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Point taken, but it is accentuated by the recording technique.
It is possible to record the same voice with and without sibillance
depending on the recording technique..
Rod
>
>
>
>
>
> ............. Phil
>
>
Phil Allison
"Newsy" <rll...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > ** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated by
> the close mic and over processing and general lack of high frequency
headroom
> in the recording chain. De-essers are an abomination.
> >
> > Then and finally crook speakers make it into a nasty noise.
>
> Point taken, but it is accentuated by the recording technique.
** Did Newsy read my post at all ????????????????
> It is possible to record the same voice with and without sibillance
> depending on the recording technique..
>
** The above is an excellent example of an information free comment.
........... Phil
Kaanage
recommend that you borrow a set of Equinox Audio speakers from their
Perth rep. Rick is my friend so I'll just say they are worth listening
to against other speakers in their price bracket (and quite possibly
beyond).
Greg Kaan
Newsy
Phil, you made an absolute statement about recording technique, suggesting
that all recordings will result in sibillance if it exists in the voice.
Then suggest that a de-esser is required to remove sibillance. This is not
true.
Rod
>
>
>
> ........... Phil
>
>
>
>
>
corks
>
> Corks, I think your wide-ranging tastes simply illustrate that you
> need general-purpose speakers, like most of us. In particular, there
> would seem to be occasions when you want them to go both deep and
> reasonably loud. A more informative aspect would be whether you either
> want or have room for floorstanders. And then there is that perennial
> issue of whether or not you have any ambitions to integrate these
> speakers into a home theatre system ...
i have room for a set of floor standers at the moment , my dynaudio's stand
about 48cm tall, 22 wide and 32 deep on stands about 50cm high, so one of
the smaller floor standers would be cool.
no, i the system is set more tp play stero music, with the secondary purpose
ogf playing the odd dvd through my 68cm tv through the 2 stero speakers.
Jeremy
> Sibillance does not originate from the speaker - it originates from the
> recording
That's why I initially said spittiness = mishandling of natural sibillance.
Some speakers (and other components?) can change a gentle hiss to a catfight.
Jeremy
MDHJWH
> ** The above is an excellent example of an information free comment.
>
> ........... Phil
The above is also an excellent example of an information free comment.
M & M A J P 31
MDHJWH
>
> Phil, you made an absolute statement about recording technique, suggesting
> that all recordings will result in sibillance if it exists in the voice.
> Then suggest that a de-esser is required to remove sibillance. This is not
> true.
One very important consideration not revealed in this discussion is
the effect of singing way too close to the mike itself. Opera
recordings seldom suffer from sibillance. Why? Because classicaly
trained voices are powerful enough to not require the mike to be
shoved half way down to the tonsils in order to be heard. Watch the
'mike technique' of most non-classical singers & you will see that
deliberate variations in the distance between the singer & the mike
are part of the singing technique itself.
Put your head as close to any of those singers as the mike is
positioned and you sure are going to hear way too much treble. So
sibillance is actually a realistic reflection of what's happening UP
CLOSE to the mike itself. Aphex Oral Exciters and subsequent
developments simply exagerate this effect.
Solution? Teach the silly buggers how to sing FIRST.
Ayn Marx
TT
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Deja Vous......... Sigh......... I sense it will be another one of
"those" threads. BTW what is Phase is the Moon in?
Regards TT
Phil Allison
"Newsy" <rll...@hotmail.com>
Phil wrote a few post back re the sort of sibilance that annoys the ears.
" ** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated by
the
close mic and over processing and general lack of high frequency headroom in
the recording chain. De-essers are an abomination.
Then and finally crook speakers make it into a nasty noise. "
> Phil, you made an absolute statement about recording technique, suggesting
> that all recordings will result in sibillance if it exists in the voice.
** Not at all.
Let me expand my original post with the understood words inserted for you:
** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated by the
close mic typically used to enhance detail and the usual over processing of
pop music recordings and general lack of high frequency headroom typical of
poorly designed signal processing gear when over driven or otherwise badly
used by engineers who set up and control the recording chain. De-essers
which are sometimes used to eliminate sibilance are an abomination since
they audibly distort the frequency spectrum.
Then and finally crook speakers make it into a nasty hissing noise -
which is what hi-fi folk call "sibilance" in the context of a fault in the
sound.
Better now?
.......... Phil
Newsy
>
> "Newsy" <rll...@hotmail.com>
>
> Phil wrote a few post back re the sort of sibilance that annoys the ears.
>
> " ** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated
by
> the
> close mic and over processing and general lack of high frequency headroom
in
> the recording chain. De-essers are an abomination.
>
> Then and finally crook speakers make it into a nasty noise. "
>
>
>
> > Phil, you made an absolute statement about recording technique,
suggesting
> > that all recordings will result in sibillance if it exists in the voice.
>
>
> ** Not at all.
>
> Let me expand my original post with the understood words inserted for you:
>
>
> ** It really originates with the human voice, then gets exaggerated by
the
> close mic typically used to enhance detail and the usual over processing
of
> pop music recordings and general lack of high frequency headroom typical
of
> poorly designed signal processing gear when over driven or otherwise badly
> used by engineers who set up and control the recording chain. De-essers
> which are sometimes used to eliminate sibilance are an abomination since
> they audibly distort the frequency spectrum.
Thats better :)
We should also point out that it is a bit pointless to close mic to to
attempt to enhance fine detail and then de-ess to get rid of it.
Rod
MDHJWH
BTW what is Phase is the Moon in?
>
Francis Xavier Holden
> Watch the
>'mike technique' of most non-classical singers & you will see that
>deliberate variations in the distance between the singer & the mike
>are part of the singing technique itself.
>Put your head as close to any of those singers as the mike is
>positioned and you sure are going to hear way too much treble. So
>sibillance is actually a realistic reflection of what's happening UP
>CLOSE to the mike itself. Aphex Oral Exciters and subsequent
>developments simply exagerate this effect.
>Solution? Teach the silly buggers how to sing FIRST.
or mike technique or how to speak without sssss and pppppppppp. easy
for experienced broadcasters.
I wont ask about your aphex oral exciters - I assume they are sold out
by now.
..
F X Holden
Ctn
Either the Solstice (from what the other Equinox speakers sound like) or
Kurre depending on what kind of sound you like. The Solstice is more upfront
where as the Kurre is a tad more mellow.
If some one can get a hybrid of the 2, it would sure be a winner :> *hint
hint*
If you are thinking of the Kantu 3, try the Kama2/Kantu2 instead.
Both are about 600-1500 above your price.
Cheers,
Peter
"corks" <triga...@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> im having a look around for new speakers to replace my dynaudio image 3's,
> tho i do like thier sound , so i guess im looking for something more
refined
> or details?????
>
> either a "biggish bookshelf" or a "smaller sized tower" speaker
>
> source is a denon dvd 2900 and amp is a marantz pm8000
>
> i listen to all sorts of thing bar say heavy metal and country and techno
> stuff.
>
> heavier stuff id listen to would be say linkin park, front line assembly ,
> husker du
>
> dancier stuff would be say new order, yello , depeche mode
>
> i like a lof of the ambient stuff like the cafe del mar series, alot of
> sound track stuff and i like a lot of stuff
> with female vocals, say lisa gerrard, beth orton, sarah mclachlan.
>
> these days i dont play that loud , usually around the 9o'clock to say 10
> o'clock on the volume
>
> im not a bass head and i dont like speakers that are too bright or over
> emphasis sibulance (spitty) , id say if anything i like a natural detailed
> sound (ie im not so sure about the linn or naim just play the tunes
idea???)
>
> listening room is about 3.5 meters wide and 5.5 long (approx)
>
> is this price range , i figure something like
>
> the equinox solstice (book shelf) or Periphelion (tower)
>
> maybe the legend kantu 3 (not sure on price tho)
>
> note perfect orion - tho im not sure of price
>
> redgum do a floor stander - not idea on sound or price tho
>
> sonique do the 4.5 bookshelft or the 5,5 tower
>
> the loud speaker kit compnay do a tower speaker - tl6
>
> whatmough do the p21 floorstander , p11 bookshelf.
>
> orpheus do the Orpheus Aurora 2 $1400 floorstander
>
> and that'll do
>
> any suggestions or ideas on what might fit the bill
>
>
MDHJWH
> mdh...@iprimus.com.au (MDHJWH) wrote in message news:<808df0f8.0404...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > Almost everything sounds better loud ? Well ask you that question in a few decades
> > when you grow up sony.
>
> Personally, I'd rather grow up Philips and keep it European :-)
> Anyways, my (alleged) geriatric kitten, it goes something like this -
> ask yourself what is the main thing anyone does when they are trying
> to show-off their sound system? Hint: it usually involves the volume
> control!
I'm genuinly geriatric pet -well at least very much on the way to such
a state.
As to turning up the volume to 'impress' visitors , forget it. If they
are those kind of
visitors I send em out to the shed to play with my ancient TDL
transmission line monsters and an equally ancient Sugden integrated.
Rattling the tin walls & annoying the neighbors really does impress
them but they NEVER get anywhere near my main system. Reminds me of a
story I've told here before I think. A work collegue came to listen
to 'Some of this Hi-Fi stuff' one day. He kept asking for me to turn
up the volume again & again. This was with a pair of Dynaudio Evidence
Masters. When the roof was threatening to fall down I had an
inspriration. I turned on the tuner with the station just off centre
enough to cause a hissy distortion."Yeah, That's better" he enthused.
I've been sending these twits out to the shed ever since.
Ayn Marx
Patric Scully
1st quarter . The New Moon, or Luna Nueva, occurred early last week,
19/20th AFAIK
>
>Regards TT
>
Patric Scully, The Soundman