Yamaha DSP-A1 Gold or Black? Swap?
sp...@chariot.net.au
have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
Spero
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Mark Pakula
>The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
>have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
>available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
>wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
>more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
sure..
if you want it to sound a million times better..NOT!
AFAIK there is no difference between the black and the gold..
if anything id say the gold would be worse as it would run hottere due to the
wood panneling on the sides..
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Rainer Behrendt
>The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
>have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
>available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
>wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
>more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
Only if you like the color. It's the same amp in a limited edition with
wooden sidepanels and Gold color. But it looks great.
Rainer
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Andy
getting a lot of money for it *grin*.
Could somone let me know what the differences is between the A1 and the A3090?
According to the Yamaha web site, the 3090 doesn't exist anymore... from what I
know...it has AC3 aswell... but I figure, if it's up t to the mark, and better
than the A1 it'd be worth getting...and given that the Australian market is
always weeks to months behind the rest of the word they'red be bound to be at
least one model sitting round in a Yamaha dealers store.
so, what's better? A1 or the DSP A3090????
Andrew.
PS. I see they've dropped the twin cassette deck the KXW-952, I used to own the
previous model and it was a an amazing deck (paid $1000 for it) Any one have
any idea why that would be? Now the line only goes up to 500 and something :(
sp...@chariot.net.au wrote:
> The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
> have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
> available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
> wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
> more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
>
Andy
Paul Dossett
>The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
>have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
>available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
>wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
>more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
There is no internal difference, but the gold version looks the bomb... :)
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Paul Dossett
Paul Dossett
>I'm looking at getting another Yamaha system (due to selling off my old one
>and getting a lot of money for it *grin*.
>Could somone let me know what the differences is between the A1 and the
>A3090?
1. Better amps in the A1 (more power and better sound)
2. DTS in the A1
3. External 5.1 input in the A1
4. Nicer remote for the A1
5. More inputs in the A1
>so, what's better? A1 or the DSP A3090????
See above, and work it out. The 3090 is a dead end solution if you want to be
prepared for the future (DTS, MPEG, whatever).
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Paul Dossett
Bruce Probst
>The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
>have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
>available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
>wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
>more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
Why do you need other people to tell you what colour you like?
That's all we're talking about: do you like black components better,
or gold?
Bruce Probst Melbourne, Australia
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views of either IBM GSA or Telstra.
william...@capbluecross.com
BPr...@vitgbsd3.telstra.com.au (Bruce Probst) wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:17:06 GMT, sp...@chariot.net.au wrote:
> >The reason I posted the message and what I should of said is that I already
> >have the black model. I had just found out recently that the Gold is
> >available. Is it now worth while as the salesman said he would do it if I
> >wanted to swap the Black for the Gold and pay the $400 Australian dollars
> >more for it? What should I do? Is the Gold worth it?
>
> Why do you need other people to tell you what colour you like?
>
> That's all we're talking about: do you like black components better,
> or gold?
>
"Worth it?" is not the question. After you have seen the gold version, you
will always wish you had gotten it. If you can afford the black version,
what's a few hundred more? To help rationalize your decision, you do get
gold-plated RCA plugs on the back of the unit.
> Bruce Probst Melbourne, Australia
> bpr...@vitgbsd3.telstra.com.au MSTie #72759
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> ASL FAQ http://www.tne.net.au/njh/ASL/FAQ/FAQ.html
> Opinions expressed are personal, and do not represent the official
> views of either IBM GSA or Telstra.
>
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Brad Wilson
>gold-plated RCA plugs on the back of the unit.
You're kidding, right? The "regular" DSP-A1 doesn't have gold plated plugs?
My $179 sound card has all gold plated conenctors!
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Don Beverly
3090 and he A-1 has DTS decoder chip. My 3090 setup was recently
upgraded to cleaner power thruout the system by adding a modest 2
channel AMP to the 4ohm speakers that are my two mains. They were
drawing a little too much power from the Yamaha, now as I said the whole
system sounds much more dynamic for music and HT. If you can buy the
3090 right say less than 1500 it's an excellent value and if you decide
you want DTS later a chip can be added for about 600. Otherwise, go for
the extra power in the A-1.
DB....
Mike Jones
I have owned both. The 3090 only has a 1kw power supply. The A1 has
double that. Hence, MORE POWER!!! Ug ug ug.
DTS, better quality video DACS, more digital inputs....3 coax and 6
fibre. (off the top of my head).
The A1 is heavier.
The A1 is blacker and has the whacky Yamaha racing dent along the front.
It really is alot blacker. Previous Yamaha products were a bit more MATT
coloured and the newer products have some gloss mixed in there for good
measure.
My 3090 didn't have banana plugs for the speaker terminals, go figure.
Screw in only.
The 3090 IMHO looked a bit funny.
Bye!
william...@capbluecross.com
brushed aluminum colored version. I don't know if it has gold plugs or not.
And...@prodigy.net
"Gold Imputs" don't improve the sound quality! They prevent rust or
decay, and unless you are using a unit in the rainforest, you don't need
them.
scott fagg
Gold plating, as noted below just stops rusting. I dont think gold is
much more conductive than chrome plating.
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william...@capbluecross.com
And...@prodigy.net wrote:
> william...@capbluecross.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <CHBG1.4028$ba.49...@nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net>,
> > "Brad Wilson" <this....@my.email.address> wrote:
> > > >gold-plated RCA plugs on the back of the unit.
> > >
> > > You're kidding, right? The "regular" DSP-A1 doesn't have gold plated
plugs?
> > > My $179 sound card has all gold plated conenctors!
> > >
> > > -- Brad Wilson ----- Student of Objectivism ----- Mercenary Programmer --
> > > Email: bradw<at>pobox<dot>com http<colon>//pobox<dot>com/<tilde>bradw
> > >
> > >True. The black version does not have gold-plated plugs. There is also a
> >
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> "Gold Imputs" don't improve the sound quality! They prevent rust or
> decay, and unless you are using a unit in the rainforest, you don't need
> them.
>
You are, of course, correct. There's no sonic improvement in the Gold
Version over the black. What we're talking about is the aesthetics of the
unit, the "deluxe look" that adds visual pleasure to the already great aural
pleasure. Purely a non-rational, hedonistic, thing. That's why they make
deluxe versions of cars. They don't drive any better than the vanilla
version, but, they sure do make you feel good! But, it's your money and you
have a free choice to pay more for the gold version or not.
Trevor Wilson
scott fagg wrote in message <35EFADA1...@powerup.com.au>...
>Silver coated inputs would provide better conductivity than gold plated.
>Gold plating, as noted below just stops rusting. I dont think gold is
>much more conductive than chrome plating.
**This thread has generated a huge amount of nonsense, half truths and
outright garbage. Here are the facts about gold plating (and other plating)
for various bits of audio equipment. For the real low-down on plating, just
talk to a plating shop.
**The condutivity figures for various metals (pure) are as follows: (not SI
units, sorry)
Silver 9.706 Ohms/cir mil foot
Copper 10.37
Gold 14.55
Chromium 15.87
Aluminium 16.06
Rhodium 31
Brass 50
Nickel 60
Iron 60.14
Tin 69.5
Steel 103
Lead 134
Now, undestand that most standard switches, RCA sockets, etc in hi fi
equipment is nickel plated. The (relatively) poor conductivity has little to
do with anything much, particularly, since the plating is usually over brass
anyway. The reason nickel is chosen is due to it's reasonable reistance to
corrosion. Unfortunately, it does corrode. Which is where Gold, Rhodium and
several other metals are MUCH better. For all intents and purposes, they do
not oxidise and thus provide good electrical contact for many years. If
Nickel plated contacts are regularly cleaned, then the difference in sound
quality would likely be inaudible. The catch is this: Your typical Japanese
mass market amplifier may well have Gold plated contacts at the back, but
there is a very high probability that ALL internal connections and switches
are of the Nickel plated variety. Of course, being exposed, the rear panel
contacts are likely to suffer more dirt and corrosion than internal ones, so
Gold plating DOES have a place. Chromium plating is bad, since the oxide
layer (which is transparent, hence Chrome plating always LOOKS nice and
shiny) is not very conductive.
**MUCH more importantly (IMHO) is the quality of the connector itself. Most
mass market equipment (even expensive stuff) use very poor quality RCA
connectors. These connectors are often two piece friction fit devices which
do not grip the centre pin of the RCA plug adequately. There are decent RCA
connectors out there, but they are rarely used in any Japanese products. You
will find them on Krell's, ME's, Levinson's, Audio Research's, etc, but not
Yamaha. I'm sorry, but I find this interminable discussion of Gold plated
RCA's on Ymaha equipment, a little like trying to find the right position
for your deck chair on the maiden (and only) cruise of the Titanic.
**But wait: There's more. Gold plated Brass requires several other layers
first, before the Gold can be applied. All these different metals are not
too good for sound quality, particularly at high power levels, where the
amount of Gold plating is insignificant, relative to the bulk resistance of
the base metal.
**Moral? Gold plating is a good thing (mostly) for low level contacts, but
(mostly) a bad thing for high level contacts.
**I like silver plating for high level contacts for seveal reasons:
1) The amount of Silver can be quite high, without the cost breaking the
bank.
2) The oxide layer formed by Silver is highly conductive.
3) Silver can directly applied to most metal, without other layers first
being applied.
**So, look for Gold or Rhodium plating for low level contacts and Silver for
high level ones. But, much more important is to look for Gold plated
switches for low level contacts INSIDE the amplifier. This little fact is
likelly to be left OFF most spec sheets. Gold plated contacts for switches
can easily triple the cost of a switch.
Frank Warner
Platers do not use pure gold, rather they include 'brightners'
to make it look good! This decreases the conductivity...
You must make a song and dance to get the plater to
use pure gold, also talk to them about the intermediate
surfaces applied before the gold goes on.
SNIP good stuff on gold!
Remember that most input impedance are in the order of 1000 ohms,
so some 20 ohms contact resistance is of little concern,
rather think about the voltages generated by dissimilar metals
:)
frank warner
Pizza
plated.
We have many experience that the silver coated inputs go rusting, because of the
humidity.
I'm sorry but there is no rainforest. rgds
scott fagg wrote:
> Silver coated inputs would provide better conductivity than gold plated.
> Gold plating, as noted below just stops rusting. I dont think gold is
> much more conductive than chrome plating.
>
> And...@prodigy.net wrote:
> >
> > william...@capbluecross.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <CHBG1.4028$ba.49...@nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net>,
> > > "Brad Wilson" <this....@my.email.address> wrote:
> > > brushed aluminum colored version. I don't know if it has gold plugs or not.
> > >
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> > "Gold Imputs" don't improve the sound quality! They prevent rust or
> > decay, and unless you are using a unit in the rainforest, you don't need
> > them.
>