VAF speakers? Are they worth it?
Alex Lucas
dilemma that I think every person that goes to buy these speakers comes to
and thats are they as good as they say they are?
The fact being that you cannot listen to the speakers before you purchase
them is a pretty big gamble for a particular person like me.
I have tested some speakers in the same price range from retail outlets
around Perth and got a general consensus that the B&W 309's, Mirage Omni
260's were quite nice speakers in the same price bracket.
Has anyone tried the VAF DC-X speakers?
If so how do they compare to other speakers in the same type of price
range.
Regards
Alex
Dale
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## 2 recommendations I would make while I cringe (as they are not oz made)
are to check out Frank Prowse HiFi in Nedlands for Dynaudio (actually they
also supply Krix which is Australian made) and West Coast HiFi in O'connor
for MB Quart.
There are however a whole range of good Australian made speakers. These
would be well worth listening to also, including Vaf.
Here's a rough Oz list:
Legend, Whatmough, Krix, Ambience, Equinox, Sonique, Orpheus, Subsonic, VAF,
Duntech, Accusound, Legend, Richter, Aaron, Axis, NotePerfect, W.A.R.
Pat O'Brien at WAR Audio is just off Scarborough Beach Road near IKEA.
Hope this helps,
Dale
Phil Allison
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** Are you in Sydney ?
If so check out Audiosound Labs various speakers - been around for
yonks.
Ring the phone number and speak to Ron Cooper - way cool ( for an old
guy).
............ Phil
Alex Lucas
> ## 2 recommendations I would make while I cringe (as they are not oz
> made) are to check out Frank Prowse HiFi in Nedlands for Dynaudio
> (actually they also supply Krix which is Australian made) and West Coast
I looked at the Mirage Omni 260's at Frank Prowse. Will have to go back
and listen to the Dynaudio. What sort of prices are we looking at?
> HiFi in O'connor for MB Quart.
> There are however a whole range of good Australian made speakers. These
> would be well worth listening to also, including Vaf.
Have you listened to the Vafs?
We generally listen to music ranging from jazz/funk to some electronic.
Ultimately, they will also be used in a Home Theater setup.
In your opinion, what is the difference in sound between the Vafs and
some other speakers you have listed here. I want to get an idea what sort
of sound to expect from the Vafs.
> Here's a rough Oz list:
> Legend, Whatmough, Krix, Ambience, Equinox, Sonique, Orpheus, Subsonic,
> VAF, Duntech, Accusound, Legend, Richter, Aaron, Axis, NotePerfect,
> W.A.R.
Regards
Alex
Alex Lucas
> ** Are you in Sydney ?
No. Perth.
> If so check out Audiosound Labs various speakers - been around
> for
> yonks.
Thanks. I'll have a look at the site. First I've heard of Audiosound.
Regards
Alex
TT
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Hi Alex,
Join the queue! WA is a cultural and Hi-Fi backwater and you are at the
start of a very steep learning curve. Unfortunately we in the West are
sorely disadvantaged by what is available to even demo, little alone to buy.
But enough of the self flagellation, so if you go to the Vaf website I think
you will find that Phil offers a seven day money back guarantee on his low
end gear. So if you drop him an email I am sure he will explain the
conditions to you.
Back to your questions: A lot of people here like Vaf speakers and in their
price range they are quite reasonable and what you are doing is buying
"Factory Direct" so there are savings to be had.
But (there is always a but) buying speakers is like getting a wife, she has
to suit your needs and you have to like her idiosyncrasies ;-) Trying
before you buy (to me anyway) is very important.
So to sum up - you may do better, you certainly can do worse so it all comes
down to you and how you deal with the company. I do not think you will find
anyone that would question their honesty and integrity so if they offer a
money back guarantee I would certainly trust them.
My $0.02 TT
PS Try living in rural WA, you will then see what I really mean!
Alex Lucas
>> In your opinion, what is the difference in sound between the Vafs and
>> some other speakers you have listed here. I want to get an idea what
>> sort of sound to expect from the Vafs.
>
> I would say that of all the speakers I've listened to in the $1000-1500
> range, Orpheus and Vaf are my favourites for listening to jazz music.
> They're quite similar to my ears so you may be able to audition some
> Orpheus speakers to get an idea of the type of sound that Vaf delivers.
Great. Thanks. I've emailed Orpheus asking if they have any retailers in
Perth.
Another dilemma I'm having is what to power them with!
It will have to be a surround receiver in the $1500-$2500 range.
The three I cant decide between are:
Rotel RSX 1055
NAD T762
Denon 2802
From searching round the web, the Rotel seems to have the nicest sound,
the Dennon has the most features and the NAD looks the best!
I haven't been able to listen to the Rotel and definitely haven't been
able to do a A/B between any of them yet.
Any opinions on this topic?
Regards
Alex
Dale
"Alex Lucas" <w...@NoSpamii.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 06 May 2003 19:23:25 +0800, Dale wrote:
>
> > ## 2 recommendations I would make while I cringe (as they are not oz
> > made) are to check out Frank Prowse HiFi in Nedlands for Dynaudio
> > (actually they also supply Krix which is Australian made) and West Coast
>
> I looked at the Mirage Omni 260's at Frank Prowse. Will have to go back
> and listen to the Dynaudio. What sort of prices are we looking at?
## I assumed approx. $2000 since you mentioned the Vaf DC X's. Dynaudio
comes in a wide varitey of price ranges and models.
> > HiFi in O'connor for MB Quart.
> > There are however a whole range of good Australian made speakers. These
> > would be well worth listening to also, including Vaf.
>
> Have you listened to the Vafs?
## No. So I cannot give you a comparison.
> We generally listen to music ranging from jazz/funk to some electronic.
> Ultimately, they will also be used in a Home Theater setup.
## I currently run MB Quart's SL 1030's they are great for all kinds of
music, especially jazz and classical and they seem to bring out the best in
turntables, probably because they reach up to about 35-40 kHz. For rock they
are awesome, large power handling down to 28 Hz. However in a relatively
undamped room or with a crapy recording they will be unforgiving, and can
tend to be bright.
> In your opinion, what is the difference in sound between the Vafs and
> some other speakers you have listed here. I want to get an idea what sort
> of sound to expect from the Vafs.
## Sorry cant help with that one. I have however found Aarons to be to
inaccurate. I have been more impressed with Dynaudio, and the Tannoy TD 12's
except they seem to loose it with piano and high'ish volume levels. Most
things that Pat (at WAR Audio) builds is always impressive.
## In regards to your question on these:
Rotel RSX 1055
NAD T762
Denon 2802
##I would recommend the Rotel or NAD. I would suggest to spend as long as
you need to listen to them and ask for the best available speaker
(floorstanders of course) to be hooked up so you can hear what the recievers
can really do. Bring some piano, vocals, accoustic guitar and saxaphone,
these should give you a good idea.
Dale
<snip>
> Regards
>
>
> Alex
AudioEnz
w...@NoSpamii.net wrote on 7/5/03 2:34 AM:
> The three I cant decide between are:
>
> Rotel RSX 1055
>
> NAD T762
>
> Denon 2802
I haven't heard any of these three (although I may be reviewing the Rotel
and/or NAD in 2-3 months) but you should be aware that there's a 2803 due
out real soon now.
> the NAD looks the best
I'm sure that's the first time that's been said about a NAD!
Michael Jones
Editor, AudioEnz
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JoDa
With so much competition, I'm amazed they can survive on the mail order
model.
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Adam F
"JoDa" <jo...@bigpond.com.no.s.p.a.m.please> wrote in message
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> I think the seem expensive, especially the book shelf side of the market.
>
> With so much competition, I'm amazed they can survive on the mail order
> model.
there are an awful lot of low-quality bookshelf speakers on the market
staying competitive with these (& for those who just want HT) is prolly the
reason vaf lauched the icon series
DC-2s (if they're still current?) are head and shoulders ahead of most
<$1000 imported bookshelf speakers you find in the local shops, and those
who own them well know this.
the only decent things you can get for anywhere near the price are the tiny
tannoys and B&W's bottom-of-the-line series, but as far as accuracy goes i'd
give the nod to the VAFs.
as for good non-mail order aussie speakers, well they don't stock any except
sonique anywhere near where i live, and those are overpriced compared with
VAFs. try finding osbournes, whatmoughs etc in that price range. nada.
(all just IMO of course)
Adam F
D. Advocate
> dilemma that I think every person that goes to buy these speakers comes to
> and thats are they as good as they say they are?
>
> The fact being that you cannot listen to the speakers before you purchase
> them is a pretty big gamble for a particular person like me.
return period (accepting that you will have to pay return freight if
you find they aren't to your liking)? Granted the period is a bit
short IMO but you should be able to get a decent impression of how
they stack up if you assemble them as soon as they arrive.
Robby
It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are unbeatable
"Alex Lucas" <w...@NoSpamii.net> wrote in message
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Phil Allison
"Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Alex,
> It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are unbeatable
** Robby's opinions are bought and paid for by Vaf.
He a is troll and a liar.
............... Phil
MDHJWH
>
> ** Robby's opinions are bought and paid for by Vaf.
>
> He a is troll and a liar.
>
Phil darling - - - do think about that new legislation. My legal
eagle has been chewing my ear about it and it has indeed got real
teeth - (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor).
Ayn Marx P31
Newsy
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I did some critical listening some time ago (12 months+) and found that the
DC-X's have a harsh midrange. People dispute this, but when I put this to
Philip V he did not dispute the observation. However, I do think they are
good value for money in the price range.
Rod
larry
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> On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:20:59 +0800, Steve Simpson wrote:
>
> >> In your opinion, what is the difference in sound between the Vafs and
> >> some other speakers you have listed here. I want to get an idea what
> >> sort of sound to expect from the Vafs.
> >
> > I would say that of all the speakers I've listened to in the $1000-1500
> > range, Orpheus and Vaf are my favourites for listening to jazz music.
> > They're quite similar to my ears so you may be able to audition some
> > Orpheus speakers to get an idea of the type of sound that Vaf delivers.
>
> Great. Thanks. I've emailed Orpheus asking if they have any retailers in
> Perth.
>
> Another dilemma I'm having is what to power them with!
> It will have to be a surround receiver in the $1500-$2500 range.
>
> The three I cant decide between are:
>
> Rotel RSX 1055
>
> NAD T762
>
> Denon 2802
for $1500-$2500 you should listen to the 3802/3803 denon
what suburbs do you shop in ?
i have the 3802 and i'm very hapy with it.
laz
larry
"Alex Lucas" <w...@NoSpamii.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:20:59 +0800, Steve Simpson wrote:
>
> >> In your opinion, what is the difference in sound between the Vafs and
> >> some other speakers you have listed here. I want to get an idea what
> >> sort of sound to expect from the Vafs.
> >
> > I would say that of all the speakers I've listened to in the $1000-1500
> > range, Orpheus and Vaf are my favourites for listening to jazz music.
> > They're quite similar to my ears so you may be able to audition some
> > Orpheus speakers to get an idea of the type of sound that Vaf delivers.
>
> Great. Thanks. I've emailed Orpheus asking if they have any retailers in
> Perth.
>
> Another dilemma I'm having is what to power them with!
> It will have to be a surround receiver in the $1500-$2500 range.
>
> The three I cant decide between are:
>
> Rotel RSX 1055
>
> NAD T762
>
> Denon 2802
alex,
i've had friends in the past with NAD-lots of little problems
I wouldn't recommend them at all
murray st-sound advice have them I think
rotel-vince ross and some of the westcoast hifi shops have them
I got a list from the importer in the past
for the sound quality and features i wanted the denon 3802 ($2000) was the
best
rotel are good though.......
laz
larry
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>
> "Alex Lucas" <w...@NoSpamii.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.05.06.10...@NoSpamii.net...
> > I am looking at getting a set of VAF DC-X speakers, I have run into the
> > dilemma that I think every person that goes to buy these speakers comes
to
> > and thats are they as good as they say they are?
snip
>
> My $0.02 TT
>
> PS Try living in rural WA, you will then see what I really mean!
alex,
there was a set of VAF DC-7's in the quokka last week
not sure if they are still available
laz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
larry
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> Alex,
> It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are unbeatable
alex,
I have compared the VAF DC-X with 'sock finish' and the timber finish
the timber finish is very nice-very good for the extra $200 and good for a
'lounge/tv room'
however the 'black sock' finish is better for a HT room-as you don't get any
reflections and the 'black' hides better.
Krix-at frank prowse and other shops are very nice-good sound and nice
timber
but the vaf's were a bit better value
the vaf's are good if you want to assemble them, if not then the krix's are
very good value
laz
> "Alex Lucas" <w...@NoSpamii.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.05.06.10...@NoSpamii.net...
> > I am looking at getting a set of VAF DC-X speakers, I have run into the
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex
>
>
Phil Allison
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> "Phil Allison" <phila...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > ** Robby's opinions are bought and paid for by Vaf.
> >
> > He a is troll and a liar.
> >
> Phil darling - - - do think about that new legislation.
** Ayn, darling - have you got a single clue ?
My legal> eagle has been chewing my ear about it and it has indeed got real
> teeth - (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor).
** So you are about to sue me for sending you quote "cute" emails -
nright ??
........... Phil
PBone
I have the Rotel RSX-1055 (with some Monitor Audio Silvers)and to my ears it
definitely sounds better for 2 channel sound than the NAD T752 and T762 and
the Denon 2802.I didn't get to hear the 3803
RG
"Newsy" <rlg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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...
> DC-X's have a harsh midrange. People dispute this...
Not me, I agree with you entirely. IMO you have to go to his Signature
series before things start sounding right.
D. Advocate
> Alex,
> It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are unbeatable
Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
There are many competitive local alternatives - it pays to check as
many out as possible as audio is such a personal area. And if you live
in an area with few dealers, VAF aren't the only ones with direct
sales and a return period on their speakers - try Equinox Audio,
Osborn Loudspeakers and maybe Legend Acoustics (there are probably
others).
MDHJWH
> ** So you are about to sue me for sending you quote "cute" emails -
> nright ??
No Phil, I'n not that thin skinned but others here have been given
sufficient reason to do so .
Out of self interest, I wouldn't like to see you strangled, as I
dofind your posts amusing in a bizarre kind of way ducky ;~}
Ayn Marx P31
Phil Allison
> "Phil Allison" <phila...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Replacing the missing context:
>> Phil darling - - - do think about that new legislation.
** Ayn, darling - have you got a single clue ?
My legal> eagle has been chewing my ear about it and it has indeed got real
> teeth - (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor).
> ** So you are about to sue me for sending you quote "cute" emails -
> right ??
>
> No Phil, I'n not that thin skinned
** And of course the fact those alleged emails have nothing to do with
me.
And that publicly threatening me over the matter was defamatory.
How about an apology ?
> but others here have been given sufficient reason to do so .
** Bullshit - just like your othher remark about "new legislation ".
> Out of self interest, I wouldn't like to see you strangled, as I
> dofind your posts amusing in a bizarre kind of way ducky ;~}
** No that you have ever understood one of them.
............. Phil
Robby
Have not heard from you recently. No loss of course!!! There's one thing
for sure though, mention VAF and WOW! you go off your rocker again, you fall
for it all the time.
My opinions are mine and there is no way you will stop me from
expressing them. As far as VAF paying for them I would be massively wealthy
by now Phil.
Kind regards Phil, now go & stick your head where the sun don't shine.news:3eb8a364$0$27786$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Phil Allison
> Hi Phil,
> Have not heard from you recently. No loss of course!!! There's one
thing
> for sure though, mention VAF and WOW! you go off your rocker again, you
fall
> for it all the time.
> My opinions are mine and there is no way you will stop me from
> expressing them. As far as VAF paying for them I would be massively
wealthy
> by now Phil.
> Kind regards Phil, now go & stick your head where the sun don't shine.
** Spoken with all the sincerity and charm of a sewer rat.
.......... Phil
TT
OK! Now I see! I get to the bottom of the post and I work out *which* Phil
you are talking to. I initially thought you were talking to Phil Vafiadas
and trying to start a fight.
One of the draw backs of top posting I guess.
TT
Robby
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You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may not
have!
You a little touchy about VAF products also???
Dennistraeger
expensive) competitors that have been available for a listen in Adelaide and
many of the comments regarding their "sound" is common to all the detailed and
accurate speakers made over many years.
That is that if source and amplification are not up to scratch you will you
will be better off getting a speaker(i.e. many of the UK brands except a few
such as ATC) that smooths out the top end, has emphasized upper bass etc.
I have heard the DC7's with top notch components & they just sparkle and
project a great midrange that is far superior to anything in their price range.
If however you put them with mediocre components you a better off getting one
of the IMO inferior UK or USA floorstanders(but they will probably cost you a
lot more here in Aus)
Adam F
nothing special
so then i tried some other things, like an ME-550-II and ASL MG-PPSL6 - the
7s just lapped it up and kept sounding better and better (amazing bass with
the ME, lushest mid i've heard with the 6l6 amp)
so i traded in the NAD for a rega brio and now i've got a nice compromise -
this amp is
a) cheap (cost me $330 in a runout sale tho rrp was more like $900 i think)
b) more forgiving than the ME for my dodgier recordings
c) better on the bass than any valve amp normal people can afford
(just in case anyone's looking for a good amp match to DC-series vafs.
rega's better models would be, well, better, but if i could spend $1500+ i'd
get an ME)
adam f
PS as per dennis' advice match some tannoy mxxs and a NAD3xx amp - you won't
hear any detail but it'll make lovely relaxing noises ;))
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D. Advocate
> "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5332dc9e.03050...@posting.google.com...
> > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > Alex,
> > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are unbeatable
> >
> > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> >
> have!
> You a little touchy about VAF products also???
I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Robby
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> "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5332dc9e.03050...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Go home, put them together and listen to the result.
Compare this result with equally priced Krix, Sonique, Aaron etc.
For my ears you have to pay more for assembled speakers from these
manufacturers to match the VAFs.
I was in a dilemma several years ago trying to choose. The fact that I could
purchase the VAFs in kit form for a price less than the others and that the
others, I repeat, for my ears, did not match the VAFs performance made my
decision easy.
I have over the years helped many of my friends, my sons friends. amd their
friends and others in choosing/helping to assemble the VAFs. They still have
these speakers and in most instances say that when/if they update they will
purchase the VAF I-91 or 93s. I think this speaks for itself.
VAF's after sale service and general customer service and support I have
found exemplary.
I reside in SA, not far from Sonique and Krix, (nothing is too far from
anything in SA I will admit), and have visited their establishments along
with VAF when I was there neither would sell direct. Perhaps if they did the
price may compare to VAF but at this point in time they do not nor do they
offer kit form therefore in my opinion "price for performance" puts VAF out
in front.
I can tell you now that if money was NO problem I would start at the Duntech
Princess level.
Robby
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> "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5332dc9e.03050...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5332dc9e.03050...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Patric Scully
>hi,
>snip
>
>Krix-at frank prowse and other shops are very nice-good sound and nice
>timber but the vaf's were a bit better value
>the vaf's are good if you want to assemble them, if not then the krix's are
>very good value
Hi Larry
It may well be that you consider the Vafs to be a bit better value
than the Krix's, but if you are basing this on Frank Prowse's quoted
prices for the Krix's, you should be aware of what prices can really
be had for a bit of negotiation with other Krix dealers.
I recently completed a set of 5 for HT, having auditioned the
competition from VAF, Tannoy, Mission, and comparable speakers from
other manufacturers. I went with a set of Krix KDX - M units for mains
and the Krix KDX - C for Centre. I used the pair of Krix Equinox
bookshelf units for the rear effects, as I had these from a previous
buy for the study. These are all in Jarrah veneer finish.
These are as smooth as any that I have auditioned, and at the prices I
paid - retail, with just a bit of negotiation - all up they were many
hundreds of dollars less expensive than the comparable VAF units and
as such were indeed the best value available at the time. But I
included my SO in the auditioning process and she concurred that they
sounded as good as any of the others. So the buying decision was based
on price and the fact that I didn't have to do any assembly.
All systems auditioned were run on the L setting of my Pioneer a/v
receiver, and their performance at this setting was relevant to my
decision. I have sold all the subs that I have designed and built over
the last two years, and am currently fine tuning a new design that I
have done this year, that will go into the system when I have finished
the development work. The KDX units have a -3 dB point of 50 Hz, and
the Equinoxes 55Hz., and give a very credible performance on bass when
properly positioned.
If you are interested in what I paid for them, drop me an email - your
address doesn't allow me to send one to you - and I will tell you what
I paid, and where I got them.
>
>laz
regards
Patric Scully
The Soundman
(to email remove dontspammit)
Robby
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> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Robby
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5332dc9e.03050...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Robby" <ijr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<Rd0ua.4540$_o4.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
D. Advocate
> Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
> Go home, put them together and listen to the result.
areas (primarily dynamics) at the expense of others (particularly
refinement). This is an area where the relative value of the speakers
is going to be subjective according to the individual. Enough people
have commented on the harsh midrange of the DC series to show this.
> Compare this result with equally priced Krix, Sonique, Aaron etc.
> For my ears you have to pay more for assembled speakers from these
> manufacturers to match the VAFs.
I assume you are comparing the plain sock DC kits to the assembled
veneered or vinyl wrapped competition. Setting acoustics aside for the
moment, this is an area which (again) is highly subjective. Many
people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
some are incapable of assembling them properly. Also many people find
the sock finish unaesthetic and would want a more conventional finish.
In either of these cases, the value of the sock kits would be lower in
these people's eyes than yours.
> I was in a dilemma several years ago trying to choose. The fact that I could
> purchase the VAFs in kit form for a price less than the others and that the
> others, I repeat, for my ears, did not match the VAFs performance made my
> decision easy.
Since you bought the DC kits, I again assume you are speaking of
comparing speakers in thier price range. The value/performance ratio
of the Signatures may well be different when compared at their price
points. I'm not saying they may not be the best value for you but that
if you haven't listened in that price bracket, then that is another
qualification to your 'unbeatable value' comment.
> I have over the years helped many of my friends, my sons friends. amd their
> friends and others in choosing/helping to assemble the VAFs. They still have
> these speakers and in most instances say that when/if they update they will
> purchase the VAF I-91 or 93s. I think this speaks for itself.
Are they saying they will update to the Signatures purely through
brand loyalty? If so, that is a rather blinkered approach (and the
reason I objected to your wording). I hope they have this intention
having thoroughly investigated their options.
> VAF's after sale service and general customer service and support I have
> found exemplary.
That's fine. I have dealt with many companies where this is the case
(although I will admit, I have had to deal with far too many where
this is not the case).
> I reside in SA, not far from Sonique and Krix, (nothing is too far from
> anything in SA I will admit), and have visited their establishments along
> with VAF when I was there neither would sell direct. Perhaps if they did the
> price may compare to VAF but at this point in time they do not nor do they
> offer kit form therefore in my opinion "price for performance" puts VAF out
> in front.
I'm not saying you shouldn't express your satisfaction with you
purchases and dealings with VAF but I find your term 'unbeatable
value' just too broad to not comment on. If you said 'terrific value',
then I would have no quibble with you but unless you had stated that
you had listened to every speaker available on our market, then I find
your phasing tiresome when no qualification is given.
> I can tell you now that if money was NO problem I would start at the Duntech
> Princess level.
Yes, reality must intrude into most of our wishes and desires.
Thanks for expanding on your viewpoint - it allows us some perspective
on your comments.
Phil Allison
> Many
> people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
** Just one silly question - if you do no have a couple of hours spare to
screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit and
listen ??
.......... Phil
MDHJWH
Phil dear, you are giving away your age. This generation NEVER SITS
and listens to music.Music is background to video or
cooking,housework,sex,rushing the teeth etc. Just try & get anyone
under 40 to sit still for more than 15 mins without the moving
pictures. Recently I informed a colleque that I had listened to 2
Wagner operas in one sitting. I was told I was nuts.
Ayn Marx P31
>
>
>
> .......... Phil
D. Advocate
> screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit and
> listen ??
the hectic lifestyles that many people lead - otherwise, we'd all be
building and tweaking our own amplifiers from kits as well.
Phil Allison
** Rediculous answer.
There is no point in owning hi-fi speakers if you do NOT intend to
sit in the middle and listen to CDs etc.
............ Phil
Phil Allison
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> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Many
> > > people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
> >
> >
> >
> > ** Just one silly question - if you do no have a couple of hours
spare to
> > screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit
and
> > listen ??
>
> Phil dear, you are giving away your age. This generation NEVER SITS
> and listens to music.
** Then why buy expensive hi-fi speakers, amps etc ???
They ought not post queries here then.
............ Phil
Robby
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> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Go home, put them together and listen to the result.
Compare this result with equally priced Krix, Sonique, Aaron etc.
For my ears you have to pay more for assembled speakers from these
manufacturers to match the VAFs.
I was in a dilemma several years ago trying to choose. The fact that I could
purchase the VAFs in kit form for a price less than the others and that the
others, I repeat, for my ears, did not match the VAFs performance made my
decision easy.
I have over the years helped many of my friends, my sons friends. amd their
friends and others in choosing/helping to assemble the VAFs. They still have
these speakers and in most instances say that when/if they update they will
purchase the VAF I-91 or 93s. I think this speaks for itself.
VAF's after sale service and general customer service and support I have
found exemplary.
I reside in SA, not far from Sonique and Krix, (nothing is too far from
anything in SA I will admit), and have visited their establishments along
with VAF when I was there neither would sell direct. Perhaps if they did the
price may compare to VAF but at this point in time they do not nor do they
offer kit form therefore in my opinion "price for performance" puts VAF out
in front.
Robby
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> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
D. Advocate
> > Not so silly a question. It's just a paradoxical viewpoint brought by
> > the hectic lifestyles that many people lead - otherwise, we'd all be
> > building and tweaking our own amplifiers from kits as well.
>
> ** Rediculous answer.
>
> There is no point in owning hi-fi speakers if you do NOT intend to
> sit in the middle and listen to CDs etc.
No, it's not ridiculous. I'm not saying they won't sit down and listen
- just that they don't want to have to do assembly (or maybe even
installation). Look at all the "Jim's" franchises for people who don't
want to work on their own gardens (or walk the dog or wash the car..)
- it doens't mean they don't enjoy sitting in the garden (or play with
the dog or drive the car...).
Robby
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> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Phil Allison
news:<3ec0545b$0$1025$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>...
> > > Not so silly a question. It's just a paradoxical viewpoint brought by
> > > the hectic lifestyles that many people lead - otherwise, we'd all be
> > > building and tweaking our own amplifiers from kits as well.
> >
> > ** Rediculous answer.
> >
> > There is no point in owning hi-fi speakers if you do NOT intend
to
> > sit in the middle and listen to CDs etc.
>
> No, it's not ridiculous.
** You have snipped out the flaming context !!!!!
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> Many
> people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
** Just one silly question - if you do no have a couple of hours spare to
screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit and
listen ??
.......... Phil
I'm not saying they won't sit down and listen - just that they don't want
to have to do assembly (or maybe even installation).
** The issue (in context) was having the spare time. No other.
......... Phil
Robby
It's a bugger that "reality" isn't it??.
D. Advocate
What's going on here? Spamming a NG? (only kidding but something is
wrong with your news reader)
Phil Allison
** The problem is with bigpuddle.
........... Phil
Robby
> > > > Alex,
> > > > It's my opinion that 'price for performance' the VAFs are
unbeatable
> > >
> > > Yeah we know Robby - you've said it umpteen times.
> > >
> > You may have heard me "umpteen" times.........the person enquiring may
not
> > have!
> > You a little touchy about VAF products also???
>
> I have a problem with totally unqualified statements like yours. Your
> absolute support demonstrates admirable brand loyalty but the
> repetition is wearying (and why Phil A labels you as a VAF stooge).
> Can you please list what competing products have auditioned against
> your DC VAFs? This would help clarify your reasoning for continually
> stating "unbeatable price for performance".
Go out and purchase a set of kit speakers, for example DC-X, DC-7 and DC-6.
Go home, put them together and listen to the result.
Compare this result with equally priced Krix, Sonique, Aaron etc.
For my ears you have to pay more for assembled speakers from these
manufacturers to match the VAFs.
I was in a dilemma several years ago trying to choose. The fact that I could
purchase the VAFs in kit form for a price less than the others and that the
others, I repeat, for my ears, did not match the VAFs performance made my
decision easy.
I have over the years helped many of my friends, my sons friends. amd their
friends and others in choosing/helping to assemble the VAFs. They still have
these speakers and in most instances say that when/if they update they will
purchase the VAF I-91 or 93s. I think this speaks for itself.
VAF's after sale service and general customer service and support I have
found exemplary.
I reside in SA, not far from Sonique and Krix, (nothing is too far from
anything in SA I will admit), and have visited their establishments along
with VAF when I was there neither would sell direct. Perhaps if they did the
price may compare to VAF but at this point in time they do not nor do they
offer kit form therefore in my opinion "price for performance" puts VAF out
in front.
Robby
D. Advocate
> ** You have snipped out the flaming context !!!!!
> "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5332dc9e.03051...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Many
> > people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
>
> ** Just one silly question - if you do no have a couple of hours spare to
> screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit and
> listen ??
>
> .......... Phil
>
> I'm not saying they won't sit down and listen - just that they don't want
> to have to do assembly (or maybe even installation).
>
>
> ** The issue (in context) was having the spare time. No other.
Whan I said "value their spare time", that meant how they choose to
use their spare time - not that they do not have enough to do assembly
if they wanted.
Did you agree with the rest of my original posts, before we entered
this sidetrack?
Phil Allison
"D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Phil Allison" <phila...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> > ** You have snipped out the flaming context !!!!!
> of my own comment?
>
> > "D. Advocate" <dadvoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:5332dc9e.03051...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > Many
> > > people value their spare time too much to want to assemble speakers -
> >
> > ** Just one silly question - if you do no have a couple of hours
spare to
> > screw some drivers into a box etc then when do you have the time to sit
and
> > listen ??
> >
> > .......... Phil
> >
> > I'm not saying they won't sit down and listen - just that they don't
want
> > to have to do assembly (or maybe even installation).
> >
> >
> > ** The issue (in context) was having the spare time. No other.
>
> Whan I said "value their spare time", that meant how they choose to
> use their spare time - not that they do not have enough to do assembly
> if they wanted.
** That is all double talk. Those who say they have no time are
dishonest - they have no inclination or doubt their ability is the nearer
truth.
Those that use this cop out to avoid buying kit speakers are doubly
dishonest - they are addicted to the factory made is best fetish.
BTW It is not that hard to find a person who would love to assemble
the kind of kits that only need a screwdriver and a soldering iron.
>
> Did you agree with the rest of my original posts, before we entered
> this sidetrack?
** Huh ?
Which post and which notions are you talking about ?
.......... Phil
MDHJWH
> > Phil dear, you are giving away your age. This generation NEVER SITS
> > and listens to music.
>
> ** Then why buy expensive hi-fi speakers, amps etc ???
Status symbols & ego glorification (sometimes taken to the level of
fetish)
>
> They ought not post queries here then.
Yes indeed , but we can't stop them.
>
Ayn Marx
Phil Allison
** So once identified as a non-listening hi-fi buyer we ought to
conspire to recommend they invest in a Bose Lifestyle system.
Revenge is sweet.
............ Phil