Avoid Trevor Lees Audio
batem...@gmail.com
dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to aviod
roughplanet
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> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>
> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>
> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
C'mon Trev, let's hear your side of the story.
ruff
Phil Allison
<batem...@gmail.com>
** Oh dear - I fear this can only end in tears.
Attempting to publicly " blackmail " someone in business in order to get
what you want out of them is highly illegal.
Whatever possible valid claim as an unhappy consumer you had in relation to
the audio gear you bought - it is now almost gone.
I strongly recommend you pull that * way over the top * page down
immediately and rely on the legal process instead.
Take a big breath, calm down and realise that you are not a victim of
anything or anyone but poor luck.
.... Phil
TT
"Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> <batem...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>
>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>
>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to aviod
>
>
> ** Oh dear - I fear this can only end in tears.
>
> Attempting to publicly " blackmail " someone in business in order to get
> what you want out of them is highly illegal.
>
You mean like you did with Campsie Hi-Fi when you had some dud Quads?
> Whatever possible valid claim as an unhappy consumer you had in relation
> to the audio gear you bought - it is now almost gone.
>
Still worked for you after you libelled them from one end of Usenet to the
other for months.
> I strongly recommend you pull that * way over the top * page down
> immediately and rely on the legal process instead.
>
Learn to read, he has started the process.
> Take a big breath, calm down and realise that you are not a victim of
> anything or anyone but poor luck.
>
Just like you did when you were rabidly frothing at the mouth about your dud
Quads? BTW it wasn't bad luck in your case it was incompetence on your
part. Failing to test and check antique, *fragile*, second hand gear before
you buy it. ROTFL :-))
>
> .... Phil
Ah Philthy, still the pinnacle of hypocrisy!
TT
TT
"roughplanet" <rough...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Cheers TT
bassett
"> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0cd26ce7-7fdd-439c...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>
>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>
>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
Whatever your problem, I hope you know what your doing, Any and I mean ANY
amicable resolution, has just gone right out the window.
You have now made a personal difference, public, You have made accusations,
which you will need to not only prove but also back-up in court.. And
while you might well be able to afford to take this action. I doubt you
will be able to afford it . IF and WHEN you loose.
While I have never done any business with Trevor Lee's , No one stays in
business as long as he has, if he was to treat his clients , the way you
claim.
Personal if I was TL, I would take everything you have, and leave you
sitting on your arse in the gutter, where you obversely belong.
And your link to the full story does not work, or I could not access your
account of whatever has your knickers in such a twist. So your left with
an unsubstantiated accusation. Good luck, sunshine, your gunna need it.
bassett
Phil Allison
"TT"
"Phil Allison"
>
>> ** Oh dear - I fear this can only end in tears.
>>
>> Attempting to publicly " blackmail " someone in business in order to get
>> what you want out of them is highly illegal.
>>
>
> You mean like you did with Campsie Hi-Fi when you had some dud Quads?
** TT has an entirely false recollection.
Not *one single word* was posted about that matter UNTIL the case had
gone fully through the CTTT (ie Fair Trading) Tribunal and a full refund
cheque had arrived and been cleared.
( Snip rest of the appalling drivel TT posted. )
..... Phil
TT
Post the date of the cheque cleared then and we will check
back in aus.legal where you started the conversation about
asking for advice! That actually started before your
hearing! BTW you also complained on the NGs that it took a
long time to get the cheque - remember?
It is *NOT* me that is mistaken!
TT
bassett
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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All that aside, from memoryI don't think Phil rubbished Campsie Hi Fi, on
here until he had the cheque,
While this blokes digging his own grave
bassett
atec77
> "> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0cd26ce7-7fdd-439c...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>>
>>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>>
>>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
>
> Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
are you threatening him ?
>
> bassett
>
>
NFI idea as usual woofy
bassett
I posted this earler today but it's gone walk about.
"> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0cd26ce7-7fdd-439c...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>
>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>
>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
Whatever your problem, I hope you know what your doing, Any and I mean ANY
bassett
"atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't threaten anyone, I just tell it the way it is, and if the blokes
crazy enough to run his mouth,
and put shit on someone's business, publicly, without going through the
process first.. that's his funereal. And at the end of the day, I doubt
he'll find a rock big enough to hide under.
bassett
atec77
> "atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gh2s6t$so5$1...@aioe.org...
>> bassett wrote:
>>> "> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0cd26ce7-7fdd-439c...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>>>>
>>>>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>>>>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
>>> Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>>
>>
>> are you threatening him ?
>>> bassett
>> NFI idea as usual woofy
>
> I don't threaten anyone,
I just tell it the way it is,
and if the blokes
> crazy enough to run his mouth,
> and put shit on someone's business, publicly, without going through the
> process first.. that's his funereal.
it will also be his win
And at the end of the day, I doubt
> he'll find a rock big enough to hide under.
no need , twevy is gonna lose
>
>
> bassett
>
>
Alan Rutlidge
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps so Baz, but TL isn't exactly a saint.
Over the years there have been a few public allegations of less than
honourable dealings.
How many of them are true? Well that's another matter.
Eeyore
bassett wrote:
> All that aside, from memoryI don't think Phil rubbished Campsie Hi Fi, on
> here until he had the cheque,
WOOF !
Eeyore
bassett wrote:
> I posted this earler today but it's gone walk about.
>
> "> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> >> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
> >>
> >> www.high-fidelity.com.au
> >>
> >> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
> >> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
>
> Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
> Whatever your problem, I hope you know what your doing, Any and I mean ANY
> amicable resolution, has just gone right out the window.
Didn't exactly look like one was available.
I see nothing wrong with the OP except it came from gogglegroops.
Graham
Eeyore
bassett wrote:
> "> <batem...@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> >> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
> >>
> >> www.high-fidelity.com.au
> >>
> >> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
> >> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
>
> Here's a lad looking for a broken leg,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
> Whatever your problem, I hope you know what your doing, Any and I mean ANY
> amicable resolution, has just gone right out the window.
Trevor Lees deserves to be shot if only for his vile website.
http://www.netstra.com.au/~trevlees/welcome.html
Cheapskate can't even afford his own domain. Ought to be a warning sign from
the off.
Graham
Eeyore
bassett wrote:
> I don't threaten anyone
WOOF WOOF WOOF, SNARL !
Eeyore
atec77 wrote:
> no need , twevy is gonna lose
Does he have the money though ?
Graham
Trevor Wilson
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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**You need to understand the local business. Trevor Lees is an institution
in the Melbourne audio scene. Trevor is a little odd, but colourful and,
IMO, is a positive part of the business. He and I have had arguments in the
past and will likely have more in the future (we have fundamentally
different views on many parts of sound reproduction). That being said, I've
done business with Trevor (and Chris) many times and have always been
satisfied with the service. I also have no doubt that he has pissed a few
people off over the years (as have we all).
I'd like to hear his side of the story, before passing judgement.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
TT
Apart from his idiosyncrasies it doesn't stop people dealing
with him, me included ;-) Let's just say he is a bit
colourful eh :-))
Oh and isn't there a little saying something about books and
judging them their by their covers? ;-)
Cheers TT
Alan Rutlidge
Don't want to mention the infamous missing keys and order book incident do
you? :-)
Would make interesting reading. LOL
Cheers,
Alan
atec77
Soundhaspriority
<TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Wait until you actually meet the guy! Or see his shop! :-)
> Apart from his idiosyncrasies it doesn't stop people dealing
> with him, me included ;-) Let's just say he is a bit
> colourful eh :-))
Trevor Lees, pardon my asking, but is there anyone left to fool? I
could understand if this were seven years ago, when people were still
confused about who you are.
I have a feeling that, since you are a diagnosed psychotic with a criminal
record, you may not realize that many, if not most, normal people have the
ability to recognize the personality in the writing. I understand you enjoy
cartoons, and you may think that people are as dumb as cartoon characters,
but that is not the case. Real people can be dumb one minute, and smart the
next, but they catch on, they become more attuned as time goes by. Just as
with your recent "joke", your all your posts have a crudeness to them that
is easily recognized. And you can't do better, because you are up against
the limits of your brain.
Think about it: For twenty years you've lived the life of a wannabe crook
and high end hi-fi fraudster, yet all you ever succeeded in getting were a
few gadgets. You're a terrible failure as a criminal.
But most of all, you really are a broken record, with a skip in the groove.
You've been blasting the same stuff out for seven years. Enough people have
come to know you so well that the newbies who don't are quickly educated.
Trevor, you are a mental health poster child. I'm sorry about your
Kleinfelter's Syndrome, with the extra "X" chromsome, but I didn't give it
to you. I'm sorry about your impotence, but I didn't give that to you
either. Your genetic defect has made you vulnerable to mental illness, but
you've been offered medication that would allow you to live a somewhat
normal life. I'm sorry you have a criminal record, but you committed the
crime. BTW, what crime is that?
But Trevor, some things are within your control. When you post something
obscene or crazy in my name, it boomerangs on you, because people know you
are the author. This is something you can still change. If you stopped doing
this, you might be able to pick up in a few years. The world forgives,
eventually. Try giving it a chance.
It's not his band, and he is not in the photo. None of the individuals in
the resemble him in the least. Trevor Lees has an extremely protrusive
lower jaw, and a dental anomaly known as an "overjet", where the lower
teeth mesh in front of the uppers. When I saw him, he kept his mouth clamped
shut. Perhaps he wishes to establish that he looks like someone else. That
would be the holy grail of disguise.
One of his "tactics", so to speak, is to imply that there are many Trevor
Lees in the world, and that I think all of them are him. For example,
he has in the past referred to another Trevor Lees from Sydney, a
person of color, who was convicted of violent crime. But the reason for
these posts is unclear.
From http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0565388/#actor , he has had bit parts in
several movies:
Sweet Dreams (1985) (uncredited) .... Alto Saxophonist
Rhinestone (1984) (uncredited) .... Rhinestone Club DJ
Footloose (1984) (uncredited) .... Nerdish High School DJ
Someone extracted a still from "Sweet Dreams", and posted it. I have seen
the photo, and it obviously is him even though there is no evidence of any
"Kleinfelter's disease" but it is an old picture. Factor in gray
hair and a lot of loose skin around his neck, and it might be useful. If you
are good at facial expressions, it might be noticed, on personal encounter,
that his expressions are rather artificial, and limited.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Phil Allison
"Trevor Wilson"
>
> **You need to understand the local business. Trevor Lees is an institution
> in the Melbourne audio scene. Trevor is a little odd, but colourful and,
> IMO, is a positive part of the business. He and I have had arguments in
> the past and will likely have more in the future (we have fundamentally
> different views on many parts of sound reproduction). That being said,
> I've done business with Trevor (and Chris) many times and have always been
> satisfied with the service. I also have no doubt that he has pissed a few
> people off over the years (as have we all).
>
> I'd like to hear his side of the story, before passing judgement.
** There is a comment posted on the OP's page under the name of Trevor
Wilson.
But it sure don't sound like TW.
..... Phil
roughplanet
"roughplanet" <rough...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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<batem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>>>
>>> www.high-fidelity.com.au
>>>
>>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
>>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
>> C'mon Trev, let's hear your side of the story.
> And I thought today was going to be a bit dull ;-)
TT, I've dealt with Trev over many years & he's never sold me a pup, in fact
he even had a switch on my Golden Tube SE-40 repaired when it was a very
difficult job at no cost to me.
I have bought a lot of damn good gear from him (and Christopher) including
about 100 LP's all of which were gems. The only point of issue I have ever
had with him was the price he sold my Sony 9000 Series A/V setup for, but
that was my fault for not specifying a price!
As someone else has said, you don't stay in business as long as Trev has by
being a crook. Some customers can be very difficult, and as I have a pretty
short fuse, I wouldn't take much sh*t from them before I threw them out the
door either.
I bought an Audiolab 8000T tuner from Trev back in the late 90's and it
performed so well I sold my McIntosh. Later I bought a Denon TU-1000RD tuner
from Trev which
was also a very good performer,
Then Trev offered me a Denon TU-1500RD which I jumped at it as it only cost
me a couple of hundred dollars (he traded the TU-1000RD back) and I ended up
with the finest tuner I've ever heard & which I still have it today.
Trev a crook? Nah, not in my experience. Eccentric? A little, Doesn't suffer
fools gladly? Neither do I! So Scott, whilst I'm not doubting the fact that
Trev might have pissed you off, perhaps if you revisit the exercise you
might understand just where it went pear shaped.
Regards,
Ruff
William Sommerwerck
for Bendix at the time, and had to install a klystron at the Orroral Valley
site.)
Trevor might have gone insane in the past 30 years, but he seemed pretty
normal back then. I took a great photo of him, which his mother loved, and
had an enlargement sent to her. I remember eating expensive Swedish granola
in their kitchen.
Soundhaspriority
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
TT
"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me...@iinet.net.au> wrote
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Sony gear? ;-)
Cheers TT
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
Piss off Bwian
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> "TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Wait until you actually meet the guy! Or see his shop! :-)
> > Apart from his idiosyncrasies it doesn't stop people dealing
> > with him, me included ;-) Let's just say he is a bit
> > colourful eh :-))
>
> Trevor Lees, pardon my asking, but is there anyone left to fool? I
> could understand if this were seven years ago, when people were still
> confused about who you are.
>
> I have a feeling that, since you are a diagnosed psychotic
Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
Graham
William Sommerwerck
message news:VtmdnRmP5-6qbKjU...@giganews.com...
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gh4r3h$km9$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>> 30+ years ago I visited Trevor Lees in Australia. (Not a joke. I was
>> working for Bendix at the time, and had to install a klystron at the
>> Orroral Valley site.)
> For an uplink? How much power?
I wished you'd removed my comment about the granola. It was initially very
confusing.
The klystron put out 5kW or 20kW, I forget which. There was enough voltage
on the anode to fry you, so you had to be careful, even though there were
interlocks a-plenty.
Alan Rutlidge
Hmmm.... well yes there were signs of someone having placed their greasy
dibs on the inside of the copper chassis.
However, without forensic evidence to prove they belonged to TL or one of
his staff, one is up the proverbial creek without a paddle so to say proving
it.
Good news is that the TA-P9000ES multi-channel pre-amplifier hasn't missed a
beat (touch wood) since the minor problem was rectified without having to be
sent back to him.
Cheers,
Alan
Eeyore
William Sommerwerck wrote:
> "Soundhaspriority" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > "William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> >> 30+ years ago I visited Trevor Lees in Australia. (Not a joke. I was
> >> working for Bendix at the time, and had to install a klystron at the
> >> Orroral Valley site.)
>
> > For an uplink? How much power?
>
> I wished you'd removed my comment about the granola. It was initially very
> confusing.
It amused and puzzled me too for a bit !
> The klystron put out 5kW or 20kW, I forget which. There was enough voltage
> on the anode to fry you, so you had to be careful, even though there were
> interlocks a-plenty.
What frequency ? I've studied a few books on WW2 radar history and klystrons
simply weren't up to it (certainly power wise - or noise wise as receivers)
back then.
Graham
Scott Dorsey
>
>What frequency ? I've studied a few books on WW2 radar history and klystrons
>simply weren't up to it (certainly power wise - or noise wise as receivers)
>back then.
Visit your local UHF television station and check out the finals. Varian
makes them REALLY BIG now.
I am not sure just what frequency and power the magnetron becomes more
cost-effective than the klystron, but things have sure advanced in both
designs since the war.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
GregS
I think its 20KW for sure. I don't know if they ever turned it up that high.
I worked for BFEC also. The full story is in this big PDF from the NASA boys.
greg
William Sommerwerck
Around 2.2Ghz, IIRC.
William Sommerwerck
> becomes more cost-effective than the klystron, but things
> have sure advanced in both designs since the war.
Klystrons are primarily used as amplifiers, magnetrons as generators.
Eeyore
William Sommerwerck wrote:
True enough, but I recall the Varian brothers couldn't get much more than
about 10W out a klystron around WW2 time.
They did later get adopted a little in receivers once the noise
generation mechanisms were sorted out.
Graham
Eeyore
William Sommerwerck wrote:
> > What frequency?
>
> Around 2.2Ghz, IIRC.
Reasonable. Another wicked device of that ilk is the travelling wave
tube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling-wave_tube
Graham
Eeyore
Eeyore wrote:
Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
bothered to respond to my enquiries !
Graham
GregS
Tell them your going to send over the Marines from 29 Palms.
or "lurch" from Yermo. Remember the Adams family.
or" Desert Bob" from Lancaster.
Tell them your going to cause another earthquake
greg
Richard Crowley
> Eeyore wrote:
>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
>
> Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard.
Illegal. And it reduces you to the same sleazy level as them.
> They haven't even bothered to respond to my enquiries !
They don't even have their abuse email address configured on their
server. They clearly don't care about abusive customers.
Note that Buzzardnews is a subsidiary of a larger (and seeming
more prestigious and higher-profile) company. That holding org
is the entity to pursue. http://www.californiaprimeline.com/
Isn't there a way to appeal to THEIR connectivity provider if they
are unresponsive? If UUNET (or whomever) threatens to cut
them off, they will listen (or go out of business).
GregS
Yucca Valley is a small desert town. The busineses must register with
the town with the address and all names of owners, phone #s, cell phones, etc.
Maybe they can help.
greg
Eeyore
Richard Crowley wrote:
I already tried that. Same non-response i.e.pro-abuse.
Graham
Eeyore
GregS wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Eeyore wrote:
> >> Soundhaspriority wrote:
> >> > "TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Wait until you actually meet the guy! Or see his shop! :-)
> >> > > Apart from his idiosyncrasies it doesn't stop people dealing
> >> > > with him, me included ;-) Let's just say he is a bit
> >> > > colourful eh :-))
> >> >
> >> > Trevor Lees, pardon my asking, but is there anyone left to fool? I
> >> > could understand if this were seven years ago, when people were still
> >> > confused about who you are.
> >> >
> >> > I have a feeling that, since you are a diagnosed psychotic
> >>
> >> Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
> >>
> >> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
> >
> >Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
> >bothered to respond to my enquiries !
>
> Yucca Valley is a small desert town. The busineses must register with
> the town with the address and all names of owners, phone #s, cell phones, etc.
> Maybe they can help.
Sadly that's just an administrative postal address.
Graham
GregS
Eeyore
GregS wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >GregS wrote:
> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Eeyore wrote:
> >> >> Soundhaspriority wrote:
> >> >> > "TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Wait until you actually meet the guy! Or see his shop! :-)
> >> >> > > Apart from his idiosyncrasies it doesn't stop people dealing
> >> >> > > with him, me included ;-) Let's just say he is a bit
> >> >> > > colourful eh :-))
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Trevor Lees, pardon my asking, but is there anyone left to fool? I
> >> >> > could understand if this were seven years ago, when people were still
> >> >> > confused about who you are.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a feeling that, since you are a diagnosed psychotic
> >> >>
> >> >> Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
> >> >>
> >> >> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
> >> >bothered to respond to my enquiries !
> >>
> >> Yucca Valley is a small desert town. The busineses must register with
> >> the town with the address and all names of owners, phone #s, cell phones,
> > etc.
> >> Maybe they can help.
> >
> >Sadly that's just an administrative postal address.
>
> rried this one ?
>
> domain_c...@yowhosting.com
Yup. No reply either. I wonder if we could get the domains unregistered for abusive activity ?
Graham
Keithr
> 30+ years ago I visited Trevor Lees in Australia. (Not a joke. I was working
> for Bendix at the time, and had to install a klystron at the Orroral Valley
> site.)
Thats a long way to travel just to install a klystron, especially when
there were a whole bunch of guys there quite competent to do such a job
(or at least there were when I left there in '74)
Keith
William Sommerwerck
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> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> to do such a job (or at least there were when I left there in '74).
I didn't make the decision.
Installation included a new control panel and a step-motor system that reset
the klystron for six pre-tuned channels. This made it possible to change
bands in a few seconds, rather than having to run out (or up!) to the
klystron and do it by hand, which would have taken at least 15 minutes --
considerably longer if you had to climb to the electronics room under one of
the larger antennas.
This was hardly difficult, and technically, utterly trivial. But we were
familiar with the procedure, and therefore could do it more quickly than you
could have.
There was also the issue of confirming the klystron's tuning. It turned out
that NASA's procedure was completely invalid, and I discovered it. 35 years
later, I remain amazed that I was the first person to "think outside the
box" and discover that it was wrong, and why. I have to thank Dr. Goldfinger
(yes!) at Varian for unknowingly giving me the hint that resolved the
problem. (Hint: HP point-contact detectors sucked mightily.)
Alan Rutlidge
Did Trevor get fried by a renegade klystron or exposed for too long by
putting his head into a microwave over with the safety switches bypassed?
William Sommerwerck
It was never on-track to begin with.
> Did Trevor get fried by a renegade klystron or exposed
> for too long by putting his head into a microwave over
> with the safety switches bypassed?
Not likely. He was too good-looking to do anything that might make him less
attractive.
Keithr
At Island Lagoon tracking station we had a 10KW transmitter 3 watts in
to the Klystron at 2150MHz 10KW out. The power supply was 20KV at 1 Amp,
and people are impressed by a 1KV supply in a tube amp :) Worked pretty
effectively controlling spacecraft out to Mars (13 minutes round trip
light time). Klystrons are used as local oscillators in most low noise
microwave receivers such as perametric amplifiers or masers.
At RRE in Malvern they had a 20ft tall klystron with an output in the
megawatt range at S-band. The thing had lead shielding around the anode
to stop the secondary X-ray emissions from the anode. the power supply
was the 33KV grid charging a somewhat large 1uf capacitor.
Keithr
Thats a trip down memory lane, I spent a few years working on that stuff
both on the Apollo project and on various deep space probes.
Keithr
the NASA division of Bendix, but a few years earlier.
Soundhaspriority
4936C356...@hotmail.com
>> Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
>>
>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
>
> Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
> bothered to respond to my enquiries !
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'll come round and terminate you personally McCarty if you're not careful.
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> OK. It just occurred to me it could be used against him and his Usenet
> posts now he's back in death wish territory again. Which state is he in
> ?
Hey mister "I can get anyone shut down" blowhard.
Can't do it without organising an illegal act?
DANCE YOU FUCKING MONKEY, DANCE!
http://robertmorein.blogspot.com/
"I don't really have a replacement career, it's a very gnawing thing."
Robert Morein
Dresher, PA
(310) 237-6511
(215) 646-4894
atec77
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> "TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "roughplanet" <roughpla...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> <bateman...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> >>> Read my blog and learn from my mistakes
>
> >>>www.high-fidelity.com.au
>
> >>> dont become the next guy in small claims trying to get a refund for
> >>> rubbish, from Trevor Lees. truly one to avoid.
> > And I thought today was going to be a bit dull ;-)
>
> TT, I've dealt with Trev over many years & he's never sold me a pup, in fact
> he even had a switch on my Golden Tube SE-40 repaired when it was a very
> difficult job at no cost to me.
>
> I have bought a lot of damn good gear from him (and Christopher) including
> about 100 LP's all of which were gems. The only point of issue I have ever
> had with him was the price he sold my Sony 9000 Series A/V setup for, but
> that was my fault for not specifying a price!
>
> As someone else has said, you don't stay in business as long as Trev has by
> being a crook. Some customers can be very difficult, and as I have a pretty
> short fuse, I wouldn't take much sh*t from them before I threw them out the
> door either.
>
> I bought an Audiolab 8000T tuner from Trev back in the late 90's and it
> performed so well I sold my McIntosh. Later I bought a Denon TU-1000RD tuner
> from Trev which
> was also a very good performer,
> Then Trev offered me a Denon TU-1500RD which I jumped at it as it only cost
> me a couple of hundred dollars (he traded the TU-1000RD back) and I ended up
> with the finest tuner I've ever heard & which I still have it today.
>
> Trev a crook? Nah, not in my experience. Eccentric? A little, Doesn't suffer
> fools gladly? Neither do I! So Scott, whilst I'm not doubting the fact that
> Trev might have pissed you off, perhaps if you revisit the exercise you
> might understand just where it went pear shaped.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ruff
Ok I have a couple of questions to answer here
? by posting on a website I have screwed myself for a resolution
Yeph, I though that. but I also thought that when I last walked out of
the shop @10:15 on a Sat morning with Trevor screaming if i ever
wanted to see my money again I would have to go to small claims. I had
the confirmed when he told Consumer Affairs were to go. I guess I will
find out either way in VCAT on 10/12. I will update the blog with the
results.
? Trevor's right to respond
Please do... I have sent blog links to his 2 email address on the his
websites. It would be nice to get some answers that weren't screamed
at me, peppered with abuse in front of a store full of people. I dont
think the people posting on the website are either Trevor or Chris.
But if they do respond I will post what they send.
? Trevor Lees must be doing something right to stay in business
I'd agree and that why my friend recommended the place. But I am
struggling to see it right now. believe me, I wish i was one of those
guys who has never had a problem with him.
? how do I think it will end
Poorly. I dont think I was ever going to get my money back, once he
got it. Everything from that point has just confirmed it. Either way
you cut it I have lost, I've been out of pocket and system for 6mths.
The blog is just a way of informing people what happened to me. What
people do with the information is up to them. If I have mis-
represented anything, I am sure I will hear about it.
William Sommerwerck
>> we were familiar with the procedure, and therefore could do
>> it more quickly than you could have.
> Fair enough. Did you know a guy by the name of Jim Read, he
> worked for the NASA division of Bendix, but a few years earlier?
If I knew him, I don't remember his name. Sorry.
TT
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If it's any consolation I have seen TL perform and have been thrown out of
his shop. All I wanted to do was check out some gear and he went ballistic
when his van keys went missing. Poor Christopher copped it, both barrels,
well and truly. So I don't doubt you have seen him at his most colourful
;-)
I don't know your case so I won't comment and besides, that's what the Dept.
Fair Trading is about. All I can say is, I hope you resolve your issues
satisfactorily.
Please post the results when it's been adjudicated?
Cheers TT
GregS
>Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>> "Soundhaspriority" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>> 30+ years ago I visited Trevor Lees in Australia. (Not a joke. I was
>>>>> working for Bendix at the time, and had to install a klystron at the
>>>>> Orroral Valley site.)
>>>> For an uplink? How much power?
>>> I wished you'd removed my comment about the granola. It was initially very
>>> confusing.
>>
>> It amused and puzzled me too for a bit !
>>
>>
>>> The klystron put out 5kW or 20kW, I forget which. There was enough voltage
>>> on the anode to fry you, so you had to be careful, even though there were
>>> interlocks a-plenty.
>>
>> What frequency ? I've studied a few books on WW2 radar history and klystrons
>> simply weren't up to it (certainly power wise - or noise wise as receivers)
>> back then.
>
>At Island Lagoon tracking station we had a 10KW transmitter 3 watts in
Very exotic sounding. Never heard of that place.
greg
Soundhaspriority
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
>
> Yup. No reply either. I wonder if we could get the domains unregistered
> for abusive activity ?
>
> Graham
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
It would probably require more cohesive organization than the partipants of
these groups typically engage in.
I am very thankful to all those who have recognized what a pest Brian L.
McCarty is. But the discussions about the problem should not be public.
Graham, anger is food to him. This thread is a bit like feeding a croc. I
continue to urge the establishment of a private email list that any regular
can join.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
GregS
But, the more he shows, .............
Soundhaspriority
"GregS" <zekf...@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
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Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >
> > Yup. No reply either. I wonder if we could get the domains unregistered
> > for abusive activity ?
>
> I don't think so. That's a legal procedure. However, there is this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
>
> It would probably require more cohesive organization than the partipants of
> these groups typically engage in.
>
> I am very thankful to all those who have recognized what a pest Brian L.
> McCarty is. But the discussions about the problem should not be public.
> Graham, anger is food to him. This thread is a bit like feeding a croc. I
> continue to urge the establishment of a private email list that any regular
> can join.
Oh, it's not anger Bob, I like a good hunt and a kill ! Very rewarding. Had I
not been more busy, I'd have followed up on those non-responses and phoned
them. I get a really cheap rate to the USA. Less than many telcos charge for UK
calls.
Graham
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
> >>
> >> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
> > bothered to respond to my enquiries !
>
> <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > I'll come round and terminate you personally McCarty if you're not careful.
>
> <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > OK. It just occurred to me it could be used against him and his Usenet
> > posts now he's back in death wish territory again. Which state is he in
> > ?
>
> Hey mister "I can get anyone shut down" blowhard.
>
> Can't do it without organising an illegal act?
>
> DANCE YOU FUCKING MONKEY, DANCE!
Brian, I HAVE had anonymisers drop clients for doing just the kind of thing
you're doing right now.
Graham
Eeyore
Eeyore wrote:
" Address of the field ''From''
Using addresses and name space of other people without their permission is
prohibited. In this case, your account will be closed "
http://x-privat.org/policy_en.php
Graham
Soundhaspriority
>
>
> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>
>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > Yup. No reply either. I wonder if we could get the domains unregistered
>> > for abusive activity ?
>>
>> I don't think so. That's a legal procedure. However, there is this:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
>>
>> It would probably require more cohesive organization than the partipants
>> of
>> these groups typically engage in.
>>
>> I am very thankful to all those who have recognized what a pest Brian L.
>> McCarty is. But the discussions about the problem should not be public.
>> Graham, anger is food to him. This thread is a bit like feeding a croc. I
>> continue to urge the establishment of a private email list that any
>> regular
>> can join.
>
> Oh, it's not anger Bob, I like a good hunt and a kill !
Graham, I believe you. But McCarty's perception of people is flawed. He
thinks he sees anger. Here, it's the perception that counts, not the
reality.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > Soundhaspriority wrote:
> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> >
> >> > Yup. No reply either. I wonder if we could get the domains unregistered
> >> > for abusive activity ?
> >>
> >> I don't think so. That's a legal procedure. However, there is this:
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> >>
> >> It would probably require more cohesive organization than the partipants
> >> of these groups typically engage in.
> >>
> >> I am very thankful to all those who have recognized what a pest Brian L.
> >> McCarty is. But the discussions about the problem should not be public.
> >> Graham, anger is food to him. This thread is a bit like feeding a croc. I
> >> continue to urge the establishment of a private email list that any
> >> regular can join.
> >
> > Oh, it's not anger Bob, I like a good hunt and a kill !
>
> Graham, I believe you. But McCarty's perception of people is flawed. He
> thinks he sees anger. Here, it's the perception that counts, not the
> reality.
Don't fret Bob.
He's already losr his account by his actions with x-privat.org since he didn't
understand their terms and conditions.
Graham
Soundhaspriority
[snip
>
> Oh, it's not anger Bob, I like a good hunt and a kill ! Very rewarding.
> Had I
> not been more busy, I'd have followed up on those non-responses and phoned
> them. I get a really cheap rate to the USA. Less than many telcos charge
> for UK
> calls.
>
> Graham
>
some kinds of external suggestion. In Brian L. McCarty's perception of
reality, which is very shallow, he places inordinate importance on symbols,
badges, identities and, especially, his own name. A historical observation
is appropriate. Prior to a certain year, McCarty actually signed all his
posts in caps, exactly as "BRIAN L. MCCARTY". The same block lettering has
appeared on faxes threatening lawsuits. Then, quite suddenly, he switched
entirely to the use of stolen or fictitious identities. Perhaps not
coincidentally, this occurred after a public lecture by me to Mr. Brian L.
McCarty that he did not have a good name; that his name was, in fact, a bad
name.
In McCarty's mind, because he is so fixated on symbols, there is a complete
difference between his exact name and any variant: Bwian, MacCarty,
MacCarthy, McCarthy, etc. In his mind, he is completely shielded from
association when someone posts using a variant.
As we seem to have so few tools that actually make a difference, I urge
everyone, if they choose to respond to a post, to use his exact name: "Brian
L. McCarty." As far as I can tell, it's the only thing he actually doesn't
like, because he has been trying, fruitlessly, to break the association
between that name and his criminal activities for at least five years.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Trevor Lees
cheers Trev
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Keithr
I thought that it sounded exotic when I first heard of it, the reality
was that it was a salt lake in the South Australian desert with a large
pile of rocks in the middle. On the "Shore" was JPL Deep Space Station
41. I you saw the movie "Lawrence of Arabia" you'd get the general idea.
Jeßus
<snip>
> Trevor Lees must be doing
> something right to stay in business I'd agree and that why my friend
> recommended the place. But I am struggling to see it right now. believe
> me, I wish i was one of those guys who has never had a problem with him.
> ? how do I think it will end
> Poorly.
Firstly, I have never met TL.
That said, I have read a lot over the years regarding his behaviour,
along with other people who claim to have experienced no such thing.
Usually the story is consistently the same - that goes for both camps.
I get the impression that both yourself *and* those directly
contradicting your experience here could easily be interchangeable, in
that there seems to be a *very* fine line between setting TL off or not.
I personally decided quite some time ago to not deal with him.
In all probability I wouldn't have any problems - but based on those who
have written about his behaviour over the years (and there has been
many), and specifically /how/ he behaves - well, if I encountered it, I
know wouldn't react to it very well at all. So, I'd rather not take the
chance.
PS: you need to work on the composition of your posts - a bit hard to
read.
Jeßus
<snip>
> If it's any consolation I have seen TL perform and have been thrown out
> of his shop. All I wanted to do was check out some gear and he went
> ballistic when his van keys went missing. Poor Christopher copped it,
> both barrels, well and truly.
Not a good sign for a mature adult...
Soundhaspriority
>> Didn't take log to figure THAT one !
>>
>> X-Complaints-To: ab...@buzzardnews.com Not they give a shit.
>
> Does anyone know how to organise a DoS attack on Buzzard. They haven't even
> bothered to respond to my enquiries !
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> I'll come round and terminate you personally McCarty if you're not careful.
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> OK. It just occurred to me it could be used against him and his Usenet
> posts now he's back in death wish territory again. Which state is he in
> ?
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Ant more fucking about in the PRO groups and I'll report YOU !
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Another fake post.
>
> When I've dealt with some other stuff, you are NUMBER ONE in the
> firing line.
>
> I don't miss. I've had so many accounts cancelled I ought to have them lined
> up on the wall like hunters do.
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Sunshine we're on your case.
>
> I hope you don't mind losing your internet connection. I have a fantastic
> track record of cancelled accounts on account of abuse reports. Just been busy
> the last week but I'll get back to you for sure.
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> I'm going to have to phone Buzzard and yowhosting (Buzzard's connectivity
> supplier) as they're not responding to emails.
>
> Does anyone know if the USA has an equivalent of the UK ISPA (internet service
> providers' association) ? I suppose one could always contact the FCC
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Been busy with other stuff BIG TIME recently
> He won't get away with it forever though.
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Using addresses and name space of other people without their permission is
> prohibited. In this case, your account will be closed "
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Brian, I HAVE had anonymisers drop clients for doing just the kind of thing
> you're doing right now.
Hey mister Graham "I can get anyone shut down" blowhard.
Can't do it without organising an illegal act, eh Graham Cracker?
DANCE YOU FUCKING MONKEY, DANCE!
http://robertmorein.blogspot.com/
William Sommerwerck
seems to have vanished.
"Trevor Lees" <tlee...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Soundhaspriority
>
>
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>> > I am not sure just what frequency and power the magnetron
>> > becomes more cost-effective than the klystron, but things
>> > have sure advanced in both designs since the war.
>>
>> Klystrons are primarily used as amplifiers, magnetrons as generators.
>
> True enough, but I recall the Varian brothers couldn't get much more than
> about 10W out a klystron around WW2 time.
>
> They did later get adopted a little in receivers once the noise
> generation mechanisms were sorted out.
>
> Graham
>
They're up to 50MW pulse, now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron
There are two pictures. Big suckers!
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
batem...@gmail.com
? consolation I have seen TL perform
I wish I'd seen that before. The way he turned on me was surprise to
say the least. One minute my best mate, next minute... I couldn't
believe it... I cant say I have ever been spoken too like that before
in a shop.
? results when it's been adjudicated
either way it will be up. I could get totally screwed or I could get
my money back. either way I want people to know that this is the deal
with Trevor. Yeph there are punters about who have a great
relationship with him and its all good, other times its not so.
Phil Allison
batem...@gmail.com
" The way he turned on me was surprise to
say the least. One minute my best mate, next minute... I couldn't
believe it... I cant say I have ever been spoken too like that before
in a shop. "
** There has gotta be a first time for everything - pal.
And no law says a shopkeeper needs to be polite to every annoying PITA,
know nothing wanker like YOU they encounter.
" I could get totally screwed or I could get my money back."
** Mr Lees did NOT publicly attack nor did he try to slander and organise
harm you.
But you are doing just that here, to him and quite illegally.
I hope he uses your nasty web page against you in the up-coming hearing -
as evidence of your belligerence and criminal disregard for the law of
defamation.
..... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
"Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> batem...@gmail.com
>
>
> " The way he turned on me was surprise to
> say the least. One minute my best mate, next minute... I couldn't
> believe it... I cant say I have ever been spoken too like that before
> in a shop. "
>
>
> ** There has gotta be a first time for everything - pal.
Gee, being a bit familiar there aren't you Phil? The OP is clearly not your
"pal".
In fact you don't have any pals do you Phil?
Just you, your toaster collection and a blow up doll of your idol Mr.
Walker.
>
> And no law says a shopkeeper needs to be polite to every annoying PITA,
> know nothing wanker like YOU they encounter.
>
>
> " I could get totally screwed or I could get my money back."
>
>
> ** Mr Lees did NOT publicly attack nor did he try to slander and
> organise harm you.
How would you know Phil? Were you there? Of course not. You're just
ranting and raving as usual.
Read the OP's posts you moron. He said he was attacked and abused by TL
both in the shop in front of customers, then TL chased him down the street
hurling threats and abuse.
>
> But you are doing just that here, to him and quite illegally.
Pot, kettle, toaster, black.
ROLFMAO Look who's talking.
Your track record isn't exactly without blemish is it Phil?
>
> I hope he uses your nasty web page against you in the up-coming
> aring - as evidence of your belligerence and criminal disregard for the
> law of defamation.
>
The issue before the VCAT is about faulty goods that it would appear are not
fit for their intended purpose.
The issue of defamation is a completely seperate issue.
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
Jeßus
Coming from YOU of all people - what a JOKE!!
Phil Allison
"Alan Rutlidge"
"Phil Allison"
> batem...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> " The way he turned on me was surprise to
>> say the least. One minute my best mate, next minute... I couldn't
>> believe it... I cant say I have ever been spoken too like that before
>> in a shop. "
>>
>>
>> ** There has gotta be a first time for everything - pal.
( snip fuckwit abuse)
>> And no law says a shopkeeper needs to be polite to every annoying PITA,
>> know nothing wanker like YOU they encounter.
>>
>>
>> " I could get totally screwed or I could get my money back."
>>
>>
>> ** Mr Lees did NOT publicly attack nor did he try to slander and
>> organise harm to you.
>
> How would you know Phil?
** From the OP's story - fuckwit.
> Read the OP's posts you moron. He said he was attacked and abused by TL
> both in the shop in front of customers, then TL chased him down the street
> hurling threats and abuse.
** The OP has never explained what was actually said to him ( love to know
what is was ) - but nothing indicates it constituted a public campaign of
*defamation* designed to harm him or his business income.
>> But you are doing just that here, to him and quite illegally.
( snip more fuckwit abuse)
>> I hope he uses your nasty web page against you in the up-coming
>> aring - as evidence of your belligerence and criminal disregard for the
>> law of defamation.
>>
> The issue before the VCAT is about faulty goods that it would appear are
> not fit for their intended purpose.
** What it appears to be a case of is not for YOU to judge.
> The issue of defamation is a completely seperate issue.
** Not it ain't.
The OP will need to convince the adjudicator that he is a genuinely hard
done by consumer and not some belligerent arsehole attempting to get more
than he is legally entitled to.
His bizarre internet hate TL page has destroyed his credibility in any
hearing.
..... Phil
Patrick Turner
How come you are on the side of Trevor Less who appears to have acted as
an alleged Rogue Dealer?
What GOOD BUSINESS PEOPLE should always have in mind is customer
satisfaction.
If a business sells a lemon, there should be no argumewnt, and sellers
should be prepared to return the money for a return of goods.
I bought a Variac from Jaycar last year for $179 whch lasted a month
before it internally melted down and without blowing any fuse. Jaycar
took it back, but sent it to a tech for close examination, and after 6
weeks and two phone calls fromj me just to let them know I'd never
forget they'd said that'd examine it, they offered me a replacement unit
which I refused, but they did give me a refund. OK, fair enough. I
thought the build quality of the variac was horrid aftr I'd initially
bought it, audible hum, and inside it just looked quite crook.
But my relationship with Jaycar remains intact, despite the little
trouble I had with this crummy cheap Chinese import.
Bunnings Hardware store here in Canberra sold me a $20 soldering iron.
They also sold $60 Weller irons, but they only lasted 18mths so I
reckoned that if I got 6mths from Chinese iron I'd be even. But the
Chinese soldering iron lasted only 1mth, so I returned it and they
smiled and gave me a new one immediately, not once, but again when the
second iron failed.
So I had a good look at the iron and it glowed slightly dull red with
the tip removed so I figured it didn't like the high mains voltage we
have here which often goes to 255Vrms. So I made a metal box with some
resistances within and a GPO especially for the iron so that it now gets
only 200V to 220V. The irons now last more than 18mths, so problem
solved.
On more than one occasion I have had customers accuse me of damaging
their goods after I'd attemtped to repair them. One drop dead gorgeous
blond shiela brought me two crummy 3 in 1 sound systems where the CD
player had become faulty. I employ a tech who repairs such stuff day in,
day out, and his successs rate is over 90%. We don't charge if we cannot
fix something, even if we've spent day on it and bought a workshop
manual. Anyway, we fixed one unit within 2 weeks, and she rings up
wanting to pick up both units but the second unit was a real problem,
and we have to buy a manual, but the manual wasn't much help, and we
have to buy a part, then another, and after a month still no fix.
meanwhile this shiela is getting quite angry with me and finally we give
up trying to fix unit two, and I phone to tell her to pick up unit one,
for $50. She arrives with boyfriend, and they have a look at the unit I
cannot fix and accuse me of further damaging the unit.
I found this hard to believe. Its a unit that one might buy at a garage
sale for $20, or maybe pull from a dumper bin. Two against one. So they
come out with this crap that I would have to pay another repairer and
compensation for the damage they claimed I had caused.
I stood calmly as they made their accusations, but thinking that this
beautiful girl needed a bit of a hot soldering iron up her cunt to teach
her some respect, and I said that I would happily listen to any further
claims and make any payments requested, but only if they had a court
order to make me do so, NO PROBLEM, I said. I gave them back both units,
and refused the $50 payment for unit one repair, and wished them good
luck if they ever found anyone more able to repair their gear. Of
course, had they returned if the one unit we did repair had broken
again, they'd be no service because they'd be no warranty on a repair
they had not paid for. I could happily close the door in their face. Had
a legal battle resulted from this petty matter, then Mis Gorgeous would
have been up against me and my tech. And if they lost they'd have to pay
costs, and some hundreds of dollars more than the repair of the gear.
Solving the problem by remaining calm and getting these arsoles off my
premises at a small loss to me was a better end than a court case. Most
people I deal with a very polite and reasonable and realise that much
modern gear is not made to last, and that repair people cannot always be
relied upon to make low priced gear last a double lifetime.
Another customer brought two 30 year old speakers to me for a fix for
new foam speaker surrounds. When I touched the foam surround around the
tweeter on one speaker, it too gave way, and I said the repairs would
have to include more than just the bass driver surround. This guy just
takes his speakers away and says he'll "think about it". An hour later
he re-appears, led down the driveway by his father, a red headed scot,
and I could see that trouble was visiting, so needed to remain calm and
firm. "I don't like the way you spoke to my son" he starts,
and "you've damaged these speaker..." and more hot blah blah. I calmly
siad the speakers had more faults than they'd thought, and needed more
work to repair them. That went over badly, as they didn't like to accept
the fact their precious ancient budget buy from 30 year ago was
completely fucked. I said to them they were most welcome to take
whatever legal action they wished against me, but there was nothing I
could do for them now. Certainly not perform a free repair, and not
after the way they'd treated me. But I didn't have to spell that out for
them.
They left, and maybe they'd calm down about it all.
The OP on this thread has my sympathy. I hope he gets his $2,800 from
Trevor Less. I wouldn't cry one single tear if the whole buying public
boycots Trevor Less as a result of the Internet Exposure Mr Less has
been subjected to. If Mr Less is pissed off, let him come forth and
explain his side in This Forum Now. If the Legal System would
immediately become prejudiced against the claimant against Trevor Less
as a result of the claiment making public his experience then the Law is
an Ass, is it not?
Its a free country I say, and disgruntled customers have every basic
human right to tell what they consider the truth publicly about their
shopping expereiences. The Shop Owners have every right to fair trade,
as long as it is conducted fairly, and with rights come a duty of care
to the buyer. Has not Mr Less heard of the idea that The Customer is
Always Right? Its a basic premise every business must accept even when
they know a buyer is wrong if they want to get good press and freedom
from court actions.
Let us see if Mr Less can resolve the looming battle over $2,800 and
regain his public reputation by settling out of court like a gentleman.
I've been operating in my own businesses as a Sole Trader for 27 years,
and I've had to learn that you cannot make a win every single day of
your working life; sometimes you have to just take a slight loss now and
again, and I hope Mr Less realises this firm tennet of conducting
busienss in Oz where we believe in a fair go. But my losses sustained
are utterly trifling compared to the living I have made, and probably
gained me some good-will. I have never been taken to court, and never
needed to take anyone else to court.
I don't let the sun set on my anger.
Could Mr Less come forward here to explain his business ethics to all?
Is it not reasonable that we could request his presence here to explain
problems he gets now and again, and especially when it appears he has a
problem right now?
Patrick Turner.
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turner"
Phil Allison wrote:
>> batem...@gmail.com
>>
>> " The way he turned on me was surprise to
>> say the least. One minute my best mate, next minute... I couldn't
>> believe it... I cant say I have ever been spoken too like that before
>> in a shop. "
>>
>> ** There has gotta be a first time for everything - pal.
>>
>> And no law says a shopkeeper needs to be polite to every annoying PITA,
>> know nothing wanker like YOU they encounter.
>>
>> " I could get totally screwed or I could get my money back."
>>
>> ** Mr Lees did NOT publicly attack nor did he try to slander and
>> organise
>> harm you.
>>
>> But you are doing just that here, to him and quite illegally.
>>
>> I hope he uses your nasty web page against you in the up-coming
>> as evidence of your belligerence and criminal disregard for the law of
>> defamation.
>>
>
>
> an alleged Rogue Dealer?
** Nothing of the sort appears to be true.
TL appears to have a vexatious and quite idiotic customer.
> What GOOD BUSINESS PEOPLE should always have in mind is customer
> satisfaction.
** They need to have it " in mind " cos it is good for business -
but it is ABSURD to say that customers should all get anything they want.
That is VERY BAD for business.
> If a business sells a lemon,
** TL is not in the fruit business - you twat.
> I bought a Variac from Jaycar last year for $179 whch lasted a month
> before it internally melted down and without blowing any fuse.
** Yeah - we know about that case already.
You ABUSED that device until it burnt out.
Cos you had no fucking idea how a variac works.
And you call yourself a transformer expert.
ROTFL
.... Phil
batem...@gmail.com
> ..." He said he was attacked and abused by TL.."
Nope, I was just abused, not attacked. Twice in the store, both times
in front of customers (although they quickly left when Trevor got in
the mood.)
The general theme was that I was stupid and wasting everyones time.
The first time, when I returned the gear as agreed. This was a @20min
"robust" discussion, with Trevor. When "anal retentive" was being
screamed at me, my partner left the store. After 15 or so minutes of
getting nowhere, I tried another tack and agreed to listen to some
quad gear, if good enough I would purchase that instead. Suddenly
Trevor was my best friend again. "No problems, I will have the gear
down from sydney in a couple of days.."
The 2nd time was when, after a fortnight of been given the run round,
the replacement quad still hadn't arrived. This time I was back to
being a stupid time wasting prick. " you want your refund.. never
going to happen.. go to small claims and good luck with that..." my
response.. "Ok Trevor I will."
>.."defamation" ..
If the website is an "defamation" issue as you say, it would be
treated separately.
As for the impact on the VCAT case, I am trying to convince the
adjudicator that goods were not of mercantile quality and I was
mislead at the point of sale. I have tried to work things out with
him, but nothing ever came of it. Hence I should get a refund. Trevor
will probably say, that he has followed his legal responsibilities and
is under no obligation to do anything more.
>...bizarre internet hate TL page...
I wouldn't call it "bizarre", its just way of get the word out. As I
have said before you can take it or leave it. But if you get stitched
up too, you cant say you weren't told.
> ..."quite idiotic customer"
If I buy something i expect it to work more than a month before
breaking. If it does break I expect the guy who sold it too me to sort
it out. If it / replacements break 5 times in under 2 months, I expect
a refund. If this makes me "idiotic" so be it. Trevor seemed to think
the same thing.
>...."If Mr Less is pissed off, let him come forth and explain his side.."
Yes please or if he could just fire a comment off to my blog that
would be good as well.
www.high-fidelity.com.au
I don't think what I have asked for is unreasonable. I would have
though this supported by consumer law, but as pointed out too me on my
blog "dealer discretion" plays a huge part in this process. As also
pointed out to me, the case may not be as clear cut as I think. If I
do lose the case, I want everyone what happened and why.
Patrick Turner
Phil, you display your inconsistent abilities at judging human
bevaviour.
Don't be alarmed, most people have this trouble in varying degrees.
There is NO REASON why Trevor Less should not front up here to give his
account of what happened between himself and the disgruntled customer
who feels robbed because he says he bought a lemon, ie, a bit of gear
that performed woefully. He says he took it back to where he bought it,
and the trader accepts it back but refuses a refund. To me the
performance of the Trader stinks. If the courts say otherwise, so be it.
The courts can be the place where matter is resolved regardless of how
much the fight is publicised on the Net. The public has the right to
examine the gory details, and all parties have a duty of care for the
truth, so the public may see who was right and who was wrong, and
whether or not they should trade with Mr Less.
But I'd hate to ever be in a position where I was named publicly as
being a Rogue Trader who insults customers and gives them a bum deal.
I avoid this possibility by accepting little losses because I realise
you just cannot win all the time.
The case of how I used the Variac I bought from Jaycar isn't something
you have much knowledge about.
So how come you make conclusions based on your inadequate knowledge of
the facts involved?
The policy of Jaycar about refunds sums to a normal business reluctance
to give refunds for gear that fails just after purchase like the variac
did. Businesses often will try to pin some blame for failures on a
customer having abused the goods purchased in order to
avoid the refund payment. Businesses sometimes have an attitude that
some members of the public deliberately try to tell lies to get money.
And there are some real stinker customers out there Phil, as I explained
in the post you snipped to shreds.
But probably there are more stinker businesses than customers who are
not in business and definately mostly not in the business of defrauding
stores selling goods.
So When i fronted the Jaycar store with a fucked Variac, I thought it
quite normal they'd *not* gladly give me back $179 straightaway.
But they listened to my claims, then wrote a receipt for the acceptance
of the return of goods, and they explained to me that the Variac would
have to be assesed by a technical person. One might assume such a person
might have been biased in favour of Jaycar. But 6 weeks later when I
visited the store when they had the tech's report, they were happy to
refund the money. They didn't have any details in a report to read to
me, but the tech must have concluded the Variac was shoddy, a lemon in
fact,
and that there was no sign of my having abused it.
I rest my case Phil.
And I do know how Variacs work.
The previous Variac which I had used for 10 years was a small 100W rated
type which was made in England and its demise and replacement wasn't
from subjecting it to excessive currents for too long. And sometimes it
did cop a bashing from some bloody amplifier with a fucked power supply
or one that shorted while under test, but a quick hand to the mains
switch prevented damage for a very long time.
But it finally failed due to a drop to a concrete floor which nudged an
internal sharp internal metal edge against the toroidal transformer
winding which severed many wires which I could not repair effectively.
The Jaycar Variac failed with loadings which were much lower VA than
what I had been using with the UK made variac.
Its fuse did not blow.
I now have 3 identical 150VA transformers taken from second hand
amplifiers of zero value and they have multiple taps on their
secondaries and I plan to arrange them so I can switch the output
voltages from the taps over a wide range to perform the same job as a
variac for testing amplifiers. Unfortunately, purchasing a really good
variac with genuinely good quality is too expensive an option for me.
I am a transformer expert as you claim I say about myself. Thousands of
people have found my educational web pages on transformers to be very
informative and helpful and empowering so they can wind their own. I get
over 500 hits a day at my site.
I have had to just become a deeper expert on transformers because I am
about to launch several new web pages listing hundreds of tube amp power
transformers, output transformers and chokes which will be available for
the public who like to build things of their own.
I know more about the transformer parameters of all this stock than the
bloke who wound them or the entrepreneur who ordered them for the amps
he sold. Unlike many traders, I force myself to know all about what I
sell, and with regard to lemons, the buck stops here.
I deeply respect your knowledge of electronics Phil.
We all have our place in the world Phil.
Patrick Turner.
Patrick Turner
Not if a court finds he is telling the truth.
Patrick Turner.
>
> ..... Phil
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turner"
> There is NO REASON why Trevor Less should not front up here to give his
> account of what happened between himself and the disgruntled customer
** There is EVERY reason for him NOT to do any such STUPID thing.
1. The matter is "sub judice" for one and anything Mr Lees posted could be
used in the upcoming hearing against him.
2. The OP is carrying on an illegal defamation campaign - so no way any
sane trader wants get involved in or in any way expand that further.
3. Usenet is a lawless, unregulated jungle = NO PLACE to hold a private
dispute.
> The courts can be the place where matter is resolved regardless of how
> much the fight is publicised on the Net.
** Totally WRONG.
> The public has the right to examine the gory details,
** There is no such right.
> The case of how I used the Variac I bought from Jaycar isn't something
> you have much knowledge about.
** You * posted * how you destroyed it by STUPIDLY misinterpreting the VA
spec literally.
You ridiculous, PITA damn fool.
..... Phil
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turner" >
Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> His bizarre internet hate TL page has destroyed his credibility in any
>> hearing.
>
> Not if a court finds he is telling the truth.
** Purest idiocy from a congenital idiot.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn....
.... Phil
bassett
Audiolab.
I.A.G. Australia, Pty, Ltd. [international audio group]
Unit 30, 398 The Bouleverde,
Kirrawee, 2232, NSW.
Phone 02 9521 4844 fax 02 9521 4222
So on your bike and sort it out.
bassett
Alan Rutlidge
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com> wrote in message
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Dunno about his bike, but Phil has been off his trolley for years.
Alan Rutlidge
>>> law of defamation.
>>>
>> The issue before the VCAT is about faulty goods that it would appear are
>> not fit for their intended purpose.
>
>
> ** What it appears to be a case of is not for YOU to judge.
>
>> The issue of defamation is a completely seperate issue.
>
>
> ** Not it ain't.
>
> The OP will need to convince the adjudicator that he is a genuinely hard
> done by consumer and not some belligerent arsehole attempting to get more
> than he is legally entitled to.
>
> His bizarre internet hate TL page has destroyed his credibility in any
> hearing.
>
>
> ..... Phil
Okay dickhead, what is the OP legally entitled to, seeing you reckon you're
so fucking smart and in full possession of the facts?
A replacement toaster? A metric handful of complimentary tickets to the
local knock shop?
Gees, Phil you are a laugh a minute - NOT.
Get back to doing what you know best - replacing jug elements and fucking
flippy toasters.
Alan Rutlidge
>
> ** TL is not in the fruit business - you twat.
>
>
Oh, FFS, is that supposed to be your token effort for the fortnight a being
funny Phil?
You're just 2 week.
Alan Rutlidge
Pot, kettle, toaster, black.
People in cheap rented flats shouldn't throw stones.
TT
"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Cheers TT
TT
campaign" against Campsie hi-fi over his dud Quads?
Yeah, our Philthy is the perfect hypocrite.
Cheers TT
Alan Rutlidge
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>>> law of defamation.
>>>>>
>>>> The issue before the VCAT is about faulty goods that it would appear
>>>> are not fit for their intended purpose.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** What it appears to be a case of is not for YOU to judge.
>>>
>>>> The issue of defamation is a completely seperate issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Not it ain't.
>>>
>>> The OP will need to convince the adjudicator that he is a genuinely hard
>>> done by consumer and not some belligerent arsehole attempting to get
>>> more than he is legally entitled to.
>>>
>>> His bizarre internet hate TL page has destroyed his credibility in any
>>> hearing.
>>>
>>>
>>> ..... Phil
>>
>> Okay dickhead, what is the OP legally entitled to, seeing you reckon
>> you're so fucking smart and in full possession of the facts?
>> A replacement toaster? A metric handful of complimentary tickets to the
>> local knock shop?
>> Gees, Phil you are a laugh a minute - NOT.
>> Get back to doing what you know best - replacing jug elements and fucking
>> flippy toasters.
>>
>>
> Don't forget the exemplary way Philthy conducted his own "Online hate
> campaign" against Campsie hi-fi over his dud Quads?
>
> Yeah, our Philthy is the perfect hypocrite.
>
> Cheers TT
Yes, how could one forget that episode (or more correctly saga).
Amazing just how well he managed to completely stuff up a pair of ESLs in a
few minutes with a screwdriver, tampering with stuff he clearly knows bugger
all about. Then has the audacity to complain he got sold a pup. Phil: more
moves than a Swiss watch - or is that an "Erotic Lolita" toaster?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqUFQxgxUg
Iain Churches
"Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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I agree. It was a pity the thread was not better labelled,
"My experience with Trevor Lees Audio" might have
been more appropropriate. If he has carefully documented
the dates and times of each visit and what took place, and
if TL still has the goods and the money, I cannot see how
the plaintiff can fail (particularly if he can call on third-party
witnessees who were customers in the shop at the time..
Surely it is the distributor (not the dealer who is responsible
for waranty repairs. Is TL the official distributor?
Iain
Trevor Lees
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Patrick Turner
Phil, you are making up lies and confabulated stories about how I
destroyed something I bought from Jaycar.
The tech employed by Jaycar to examine the failed variac would disagree
with you.
He approved my claim and Jayacr gave me the refund.
Don't become a stupid imbecile the moment someone like me who knows what
he is talking about opposes what you say with an alternative opinion.
The majority of educated people have an intense dislike of the secrecy
of the courts.
They wish all is above board and transparent. They DO want to know what
people are really like with whom they mght deal with.
The fact that someone is proposing to go to court over an argument over
$2,800 with a dealer in Hi-Fi gear indicates there is a problem between
the two parties, and it may be that either one is "in the wrong" The
courts realise that and will make a judgement based on truth and facts
submitted as evidence, and whatever we say here won't affect the
outcome.
The argument which seems to be leading to court action against Mr Less
has been described here and if I was Mr Less I would settle matters out
of court and be able to post here in detail how he achieved an
acceptable outcome.
People would then see that Mr Less is indeed a gentleman, and capable of
"looking after business problems" and if this cannot be seen to be the
case by the reading public, then he does his business no good by
persuing what is a sullen silence until his day in court.
And if the court decides in favour of the claimant, that will become
public knowledge and not be good for Mr Less.
The courts cost everyone time and money. Time and money should not be
wasted.
I have never been afraid of the world knowing all about my private life
and I have avoided the arguments people get themselves into such as
those described by the original poster in this thread.
Those operating a business have all sorts of rights as do customers.
And along with rights there are duties of care.
Nobody should be protected from the glare of public scrutiny if they end
up in court over some matter or other.
Patrick Turner.