Orpheus Aurora 3 speakers
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I just had a listen to some Orpheus Aurora 3 loudspeakers at a hifi
shop. They sounded great! They were set up in a listening lounge which
allowed easy comparison with a pair of Tannoy M5 (is there an M5?? I
thought it only went up to M3), some Missions, Celestions, etc. The
Orpheus blew them away. Orpheus is an Australian loudspeaker
manufacturer which has the ABC, Channels 7 and 10 amongst its clients
(or so I read on a wall plaque).
My question is, has anybody heard of them? How come they're not as
well known as other brands like B&W, Mission, Tannoy, Kef, Monitor
Audio and even Aussie brands like Krix? I believe Audio & Video
Lifestyle had a review of them in their issue last month. Anybody read
it? What did it say? Is AV&L trustworthy in its ratings?
Thanks,
Joe
Rich
Orpheus Dolomites. They are a wonderful speaker. When I purchased these,
some 4 years ago, they were easily the best speaker for price in the
lounge I was listening in.
I know very little about Orpheus, except they are not stocked in alot of
stores and almost nobody has heard of them.
Rich
Paul Curmi
speaker matched with a Velodyne 1012x sub and I am very happy with there
performance,there excellent value for money and I highly recommend them.
Paul
Richard Morgan
Orpheus as a brand has been around for years. It's an Australian brand
under the guidance of Brad Zirhan. Brad makes exceptional speakers and
backs them to the hilt. He's a smaller operation than the
multi-nationals you mention and for my money often does a better job.
He's truly passionate about what he does and it shows in his products.
If you like 'em you can buy 'em with confidence (and feel lucky that
from so many brands and models you've actually found a speaker system
you actually judge as being right for you). No, I'm not a paid employee
or anything even remotely like that.
Cheers, Richard M.
If you want the low down on audio video magazines from around the world,
I will give my opinion privately, but not via the group. You can reply
to the above. *big smiles*
Trevor Wilson
>Hi,
>
>I just had a listen to some Orpheus Aurora 3 loudspeakers at a hifi
>shop. They sounded great! They were set up in a listening lounge which
>allowed easy comparison with a pair of Tannoy M5 (is there an M5?? I
>thought it only went up to M3), some Missions, Celestions, etc. The
>Orpheus blew them away. Orpheus is an Australian loudspeaker
>manufacturer which has the ABC, Channels 7 and 10 amongst its clients
>(or so I read on a wall plaque).
All quite true. I have seen them at channel 7 and channel 2.
>
>My question is, has anybody heard of them?
Orpheus has been around since around 1983-4. I first heard some prototypes
way back then and was struck by their amazing 'musicality'.
How come they're not as
>well known as other brands like B&W, Mission, Tannoy, Kef, Monitor
>Audio and even Aussie brands like Krix?
Brad Serhan is a committed speaker designer and builder. Unlike many other
manufacturers, he cares greatly about such things as cabinet integrity,
driver quality, crossover component quality and wiring quality. All these
items are not readily apparent to the casual observer and, as such, add to
the cost of a speaker, without increasing the visual saleability. This is
not to say that some of the other bradns you mentioned do not have these
qualities, but Brad is particularly resistant to commercial pressures. He
simply builds what he feels to be the best and will not degrade his product
to gain a few more sales.
His marketing abilities are (up until recently) not as good as his design
abilities and this is reflected in the position in the market place. You may
ask the same question about Bose. They manufacture (ahem) speakers (of
sorts) in huge quantities, but they offer little in the way of high sound
quality. They merely respond to market pressure, rather than offfer genuine
value for money. Orpheus tend to build their speakers in the old fashioned
way. This always costs more.
I believe Audio & Video
>Lifestyle had a review of them in their issue last month. Anybody read
>it? What did it say? Is AV&L trustworthy in its ratings?
I read many magazines and always take note of their comments. Most make
mistakes quite regularly, but do give an indication of what to buy. In the
final analysis, the best thing to do is to listen for yourself and trust
your own ears, as these are the ears you will using to listen to the
speakers with, not the reviewer's ears in AVL. As a corrollary to this last
point, I doubt that Orpheus is a serious advertiser and has little influence
over editorial content. So, one can assume that a good review reflects an
honest review. A bad review may or may not indicate a bad product. Have you
ever seen a bad review on Bose? I have not. Curious, huh?
Cheers,
Trevor Wilson
http://www.hutch.com.au/~rage
Harnam Thandi
I don't normally do this but I'm really tired of listening to people bashing
Bose speakers or systems. I own a pair of Accoustimass 5 cubes and while it
cannot compete with high-end, signature series speakers, it performs extremely
well for what it was built for - esthetics and quality sound. When space is a
premium, the value of a Bose lifestyle or accoustimass system shines through.
Please don't get me wrong. I believe there are better speakers out there, but
they also cost a lot more as well. I also think it is unfair to say that Bose is
responding to "market pressure". I believe they have listened to what the market
is asking for and responded likewise. This may or may not be to the liking of
audiophilles but the increasing sales of Bose products attest to their
acceptance into the market place. I don't believe their marketing is
exceptional, especially when compared with some of the Japanese companies.
Trevor, this is nothing personal. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
I've just needed to express my $0.02 worth.
Thanks for listening,
Harnam
Trevor Wilson
Harnam Thandi wrote in message <3626AD7D...@sybase.com>...
**And I don't take it personally. You are entitled to express your opinion.
I support that. I may dissagree with it, but that's OK. I don't like Bose
products. I don't like their ethics (or lack thereof), nor their shameless
deceptive advertising. I don't think much of their ehorbitant profiteering
either. However, if poeple are willing to pay those prices and walk away
happy, then who am I to say they (Bose) are wrong?
I took my significant other to a hi fi shop (for the first time), a few
weeks ago. She fell for the Bose stuff, hook line and sinker. I knew that
she would. She hates my big, expensive pre-amp and power amp, 1.4 Metre high
ribbon speakers, separate CD and DAC and the huge (and heavy) welded steel
rack the whole thing sits on. Me? I can't listen to any less. She is happy
with the system that came standard with her Telstar. Clearly Bose has a
place in the market. Many, many people love the stuff. Of course, that does
not make it right, or accurate, or even high fidelity. Nevertheless, my
statement remains: "Has anyone ever seen a bad review of Bose speakers?" If
the answer is "no", then they are either perfect, or something sinister is
going on.
In any case, we agree on one thing: Bose is extraordinarily clever at
marketing stuff to people. I would trade my ethics for Dr Bose's bank
balance too.
Mark Pakula
>
>Hello,
>I don't normally do this but I'm really tired of listening to people bashing
>Bose speakers or systems. I own a pair of Accoustimass 5 cubes and while it
>cannot compete with high-end, signature series speakers, it performs extremely
>well for what it was built for - esthetics and quality sound. When space is a
>premium, the value of a Bose lifestyle or accoustimass system shines through.
if you think so..
then thats fine..
>
>Please don't get me wrong. I believe there are better speakers out there, but
>they also cost a lot more as well.
this is where i think you are wrong..
I personally would say the Energy Take 5 speaker system,
with a ES8 sub, sound much better than any BOSE system i have heard..
and it goes for $999.. much less than a Bose setup with the same number of
speakers.. and it is almost as small and attractive..
and not even comparing half decent Australian Bookshelf speakers..
like Kirx Birx. Most people see the Bose name and think
wow.. they sound great as its only a little cube or two..
but have you ever wondered why many i-fi shops have a separate Bose Area
or even a separate bose room?, its because if you listen
to any other hifi speakers it wil quickly show how bad Bose actually sound..
>
>Trevor, this is nothing personal. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
>I've just needed to express my $0.02 worth.
sure.. if you are happy then great..
i personally would not adivse any one in any siuation to buy bose
speakers.
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In article <3626c...@139.134.5.33>,
"Trevor Wilson" <rage-n...@hutch.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Harnam Thandi wrote in message <3626AD7D...@sybase.com>...
> >Hello,
> >
> >I don't normally do this but I'm really tired of listening to people
> bashing
> >Bose speakers or systems. I own a pair of Accoustimass 5 cubes and while
> it
> >cannot compete with high-end, signature series speakers, it performs
> extremely
> >well for what it was built for - esthetics and quality sound. When space is
> a
> >premium, the value of a Bose lifestyle or accoustimass system shines
> through.
> >
> >Please don't get me wrong. I believe there are better speakers out there,
> but
> >they also cost a lot more as well. I also think it is unfair to say that
> Bose is
> >responding to "market pressure". I believe they have listened to what the
> market
> >is asking for and responded likewise. This may or may not be to the liking
> of
> >audiophilles but the increasing sales of Bose products attest to their
> >acceptance into the market place. I don't believe their marketing is
> >exceptional, especially when compared with some of the Japanese companies.
> >
> >Trevor, this is nothing personal. Everyone is entitled to his/her own
> opinion.
> >I've just needed to express my $0.02 worth.
> >
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Trevor Wilson
> bose is american indian word meaning "lack of midrange"
**Or, bass definition, imaging, low distortion, decent high frequency
response, musicality, etc, etc, etc.
Still, about a zillion Bose owners cannot be wrong, can they?
Mike Jones
> Still, about a zillion Bose owners cannot be wrong, can they?
Neighbors is the most watched australian tele drama. Does that make it
good? Hyundai Excel's are the most popular small car. Does that make it
good?
A friend of mine had some Bose 301's in his caravan. This is a great
application for Bose speakers.
I am willing to put my Jamo 707i's and Yamaha DSP A1 up against any HT
Bose product of the same value.... Oh, that is the lifestyle product
isn't it.... I AM QUAKING IN MY BOOTS!
Bose are fantastic at marketing aproduct. Take that clock radio for
example: $599 FOR A CLOCK RADIO THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN PLAY CD's ON? People
buy it though. It sounds like crap. But people buy it. Does that make it
good?
Mike.
Bose suck. :-) *ner ne ner ne ner ner* Can I be more childish?
Paul Dossett
>Hello,
>I don't normally do this but I'm really tired of listening to people bashing
>Bose speakers or systems. I own a pair of Accoustimass 5 cubes and while it
>cannot compete with high-end, signature series speakers, it performs
>extremely well for what it was built for - esthetics and quality sound. When
>space is a premium, the value of a Bose lifestyle or accoustimass system
>shines through.
Sorry, Harnam, we bash Bose because you can buy better sound quality for less.
Simple fact. Bose use cheap material, spend the balance on marketing and their
speakers simply don't sound very good.
I personally also strongly disagree with Bose's strong-arm legal tactics that
pressurise magazines into dropping unfavourable reviews, but that's another
story altogether.
--
Paul Dossett
Colin Richardson
>
>statement remains: "Has anyone ever seen a bad review of Bose speakers?" If
>the answer is "no", then they are either perfect, or something sinister is
>going on.
>
Trevor and others
I think you might call this an unfavourable review of AM-10 speakers:
http://www.hometheatermag.com/core/articles/archives/9801htmag/9801t3gu5.htm
l
Yet, knowing that I still bought them for various reasons (size and
apperance being a priority) They may not be the best around, but I think
they sound "good", and certainly not "bad".
My Lifestyle-20 system is "very good" for what it is; simple, compact and
much better sound than many other systems. Expensive - very, but so are many
other things about which we could argue all day.....
Colin
Trevor Wilson
Colin Richardson wrote in message <70i64c$9ku$1...@m2.c2.telstra-mm.net.au>...
>Trevor Wilson wrote in message <3626c...@139.134.5.33>...
>>
>>statement remains: "Has anyone ever seen a bad review of Bose speakers?"
If
>>the answer is "no", then they are either perfect, or something sinister is
>>going on.
>>
>
>
>Trevor and others
>
>I think you might call this an unfavourable review of AM-10 speakers:
>http://www.hometheatermag.com/core/articles/archives/9801htmag/9801t3gu5.ht
m
>l
I clicked on this link and received an error message. See, I told you. There
IS something sinister going on with Bose and bad reviews. What are they
afraid of?
Colin Richardson
look at.
Outlook just wrapped the url a bit. it should end with ".html" , you can see
that the "l" ended up on the next line. (just as in your reply, the "m" also
wrapped)
Dark forces at work.
Colin
Trevor Wilson wrote in message <362d0...@139.134.5.33>...
Victor Major
Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > bose is american indian word meaning "lack of midrange"
>
> **Or, bass definition, imaging, low distortion, decent high frequency
> response, musicality, etc, etc, etc.
>
> Still, about a zillion Bose owners cannot be wrong, can they?
>
Billions of flies like shit too...are they wrong?
>
> Cheers,
> Trevor Wilson
> http://www.hutch.com.au/~rage
V.
Harnam Thandi
have to admit that I have never heard about their "strong-arm legal tactics that
pressurise magazines into dropping unfavourable reviews", but that is another
issue. I know of many other Bose users who ase happy with their purchase based on
more factors than sound quality. As for their marketing, any company will try to
pitch their products as best they can. Bose does a great job at that by capturing
the imagination of the general populace who are not stereophilles.
Anyway, I've opened a can of worms with this issue. I'm sure the debate will go in
for a long time after this. Thanks for all your input anyway.
Cheers,
Harnam
You_Know_Who :>)
speaker.
On the other hand, tons of them are sold daily and for most people, they
perform satisfactorily.
I agree that Bose bashing has gotten out of hand. True, the real audio
enthusiast will not buy them, but those who do buy them could do far worse.
Bernard~
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Harnam Thandi wrote in message <3626AD7D...@sybase.com>...
>Hello,
>
>I don't normally do this but I'm really tired of listening to people
bashing
>Bose speakers or systems. I own a pair of Accoustimass 5 cubes and while
it
>cannot compete with high-end, signature series speakers, it performs
extremely
>well for what it was built for - esthetics and quality sound. When space is
a
>premium, the value of a Bose lifestyle or accoustimass system shines
through.
>
>Please don't get me wrong. I believe there are better speakers out there,
but
>they also cost a lot more as well. I also think it is unfair to say that
Bose is
>responding to "market pressure". I believe they have listened to what the
market
>is asking for and responded likewise. This may or may not be to the liking
of
>audiophilles but the increasing sales of Bose products attest to their
>acceptance into the market place. I don't believe their marketing is
>exceptional, especially when compared with some of the Japanese companies.
>
>Trevor, this is nothing personal. Everyone is entitled to his/her own
opinion.
>I've just needed to express my $0.02 worth.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>Harnam
>
Mark Pakula
>but those who do buy them could do far worse.
for instance....
people always say this.. but i havent heard much worse..
.m.
Brendan
> >manufacturer which has the ABC, Channels 7 and 10 amongst its clients
> >(or so I read on a wall plaque).
>
> All quite true. I have seen them at channel 7 and channel 2.
>
Really? I have never seen a pair of Bose speakers in a Seven Network
control room. To my knowledge, channel 7 uses JBL (mostly 4425's) Tannoy's,
Yamaha NS-10M's but no Bose systems for audio broadcast monitoring.
Where did you seen them??
Trevor Wilson
Brendan wrote in message <36304...@139.134.5.33>...
**Orpheus, NOT Bose. I have also seen EV's at Channel 7.
Graham
<har...@sybase.com> wrote:
> Must say I appreciate your honesty, and Trevor's, in your feelings
towards Bose. I
> have to admit that I have never heard about their "strong-arm legal
tactics that
> pressurise magazines into dropping unfavourable reviews", but that is another
> issue. I know of many other Bose users who ase happy with their purchase
based on
> more factors than sound quality. As for their marketing, any company
will try to
> pitch their products as best they can. Bose does a great job at that by
capturing
> the imagination of the general populace who are not stereophilles.
>
> Anyway, I've opened a can of worms with this issue. I'm sure the debate
will go in
> for a long time after this. Thanks for all your input anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> Harnam
>
> Paul Dossett wrote:
>
** ------ SNIP ***
YES YES YES & YES but look at this list and see If you can find a trend
happening.
BOSE, Microsoft,McDonalds, HYundai, SAMSUNG, Strathfield Car
Radio's,Letal Weapon 1,2,3,4, Most project Homes, Harvey Norman. Target.
They are all popular because they offer the best quality you can
get right ;-).
This is what people wan't these days., Fast, easy decision, easy
finance, Tick the feature list, Bubble packed & Racked products with nice
packaging! WHAT else matters?
Maybee a small amount of people would choose this list.
NAKAMICHI, MERIDIAN, MAC OS, DOYLES, HONDA, GRUNDIG, ALPINE with
Specialist installer, FACE OFF, Architect Bulit House, David Jones. NAJEE.
OR a HUNDRED OTHER LISTS but it takes time research & dedication and
are not usually the first things that spring to mind or the first place
you bump into.
If you are a newbee to any of these categories then it is a long road
to find what you are after. So be it. Let the buyer beware.
Graham
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Mark Pakula wrote in message <70p033$ssq$1...@www.macbank>...
The first time I auditioned a pair, I thought they were amazing for their
size - but I realised that for the same price I could have a decent pair of
speakers from B&W or Mission (and the sound quality would not have to be
compromised by special equalisation circuits to make them work properly).
Further more, the Missions and B&Ws would not take up significantly more
space in terms of floor area.
PAUL CODDINGTON
pa...@mail.act.apana.org.au
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