Re: Shipping tube gear
Soundhaspriority
"Ian Bell" <ruffr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I recently sent a prototype tube mic pre from here in the UK to a client in
>the USA via DHL. The mic pre is built in a sealed die cast box and has a
>separate similarly constructed linear power supply. I surrounded each with
>about 2 inches of foam, then some polystyrene so they fitted snugly into a
>cardboard box.
>
> Despite that, on arrival a tube had been shook out of its socket - OK
> maybe tubes should go separately - but worse, a sub-chassis that fitted
> into slots inside the die cast box had worked loose and pulled off some
> connections to its tube sockets.
>
> Now given how I packed it, there was no way I expected a sub-chassis to
> work loose.; DHL must have really thrown it about to achieve that.
>
> So my question is, what are others people's experiences of shipping tube
> based gear, especially internationally, and what lessons are there to be
> learned.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian
Two inches of foam is enough to protect a hard disk thrown across the room.
Your gear is undoubtedly much more rugged. Tubes falling out of sockets have
been a problem since the beginning. But for a sub-chassis to "work loose?"
That's incredible. I've become physically ill thinking about it.
Shortly after 9/11, I received a package of three small photographic filters
in a padded envelope that had obviously been opened. The round filter
containers may have registered as bacterial culture containers.
My mail is constantly being opened an investigated. I've seen shadowy
figures stalking me around the neighborhood when I go on my daily run. I'm
sure McCarty is organizing this harassment and intimidation. I'm also sure
he's posing as my Federal Express deliveryman.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
William Sommerwerck
> to work loose.; DHL must have really thrown it about to achieve that.
I've seen equipment damaged in ways that defy the laws of physics.
A company called Tera sent me a CRT television so I could write a user
manual. It was shipped by train, and arrived damaged. One of the circuit
boards was attached with metal bracket arms that had been bent /backwards/ a
great distance. Assuming this was not the result of a deliberate act of
sabotage, I am at a loss to understand it. It could not have been the result
of simple vibration.
Phil Allison
"William Sommerwerck"
>
> I've seen equipment damaged in ways that defy the laws of physics.
** Shucks - that ain't nuthin' ..... cos I've seen
heaps of equipment that is DESIGNED in ways
that DEFY the laws of physics !!!!!!!!!
.... Phil
TT
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Darwinian laws of natural selection!
TT
Soundhaspriority
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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two other groups by Brian L. McCarty, who almost won the Darwin Award as a
child, when his private parts were apparently mutilated in an accident,
possibly run over by a lawnmower. Since then, Mr. McCarty has salted his
impersonations with constant references to penises, and the childish phrase
"my worthless pee-pee." It seems likely that the stress of growing up as a
eunuch predisposed to his later psychosis.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Misifus
Shall we say, they attempt to defy the laws of physics?
-Raf
--
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Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Alan Rutlidge
ROFLMAO.
How true.
Patrick Turner
Yes, but its a sobering thought when you realise short tempered people
like Adolf Hitler could survive long enough to plunge a whole world into
war after defying just about every law of democracy.
But then look what that bad tempered Joe Stalin done, and Uncle Mao, and
Pol Pot. Millions died as a result.
The the WHO banned DDT in countries like Africa, and many more died
because of mossies biting them allowing malaria to flourish.
Darwin didn't necessarily imply that the nicest types and the most
rational would survive, oh no, you get big fucking arsoles who survive
handsomely, and they defy nothing Darwin ever postulated. There is
always a survival advantage to be gained by being the worst bastard. You
just get people to bend to your will, including females, and the nasty
gene is nicely preserved in the next bunch of bastards.
If the planet warms by 5C in 100 years, then just you watch when food
gets scarce, the bastards will sure eat well, and invade other countries
to survive, no problem.
Patrick Turner.
Soundhaspriority
"Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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What you're saying is in line with current thinking about the phenomenon of
the psychopath. Between 2 and 4% of the adult male population are
psychopaths, and contrary to popular culture, most are not in jail, although
the jail population does have a much proportion, about 40%. But most
psychopaths walk about us, and are characterized by a total lack of concern
about other people as people. Because a psychopath can lie without visible
tension, such an individual can give a positive impression during the hiring
process. Many, if not most, "bad bosses" are, in fact psychopaths. See
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1360571.htm
But many psychopaths are also cons, criminals, or fraudsters. Some have an
urge to dominate other people to no purpose. For some, usenet has provided
an outlet, because it gives the psychopath the opportunity to "act out"
against other people, and get away with it, in ways that would not be
allowed otherwise. Here in aus.hi-fi, you have two psychopaths that I know
of: Phil Allison, and Brian L. McCarty. McCarty is actually an American
expatriate who left Los Angeles in the late 90's. Until a few years ago, he
directed his online aggression exclusively at U.S. forums, and left you Oz
guys alone. Then a series of events led him to include you, at least in a
collateral way, in his online aggression. In Oz, he developed a psychosis,
requiring medication with second line antipsychotic drugs Risperdal and/or
Clozaril. Curiously, the life event that may have catalyzed his eventual
development into a psychopath appears to have been an accident before
puberty that severely damaged his sex organs, causing him to grow up as a
eunuch. Perhaps his home environment was not enough to help him adjust. The
end result appears to be a grudge, and envy, of all men who have their
equipment intact.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
TT
"Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
>>
>> "TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:o4mdnYnbmdc7bcLX...@westnet.com.au...
>> >
>> > "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:7c8it3F...@mid.individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> "William Sommerwerck"
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I've seen equipment damaged in ways that defy the
>> >>> laws of physics.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ** Shucks - that ain't nuthin' ..... cos I've
>> >> seen
>> >>
>> >> heaps of equipment that is DESIGNED in ways
>> >>
>> >> that DEFY the laws of physics !!!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> .... Phil
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I've read posts from people (like you) that defy the
>> > Darwinian laws of
>> > natural selection!
>> >
>> > TT
>> >
>>
>> ROFLMAO.
>> How true.
>
> Yes, but its a sobering thought when you realise short
> tempered people
> like Adolf Hitler could survive long enough to plunge a
> whole world into
> war after defying just about every law of democracy.
As with Adolf, Philthy is also a genetic dead end ;-)
>
> But then look what that bad tempered Joe Stalin done, and
> Uncle Mao, and
> Pol Pot. Millions died as a result.
>
None of them were abusive internet trolls and to give credit
where it is due they did succeed in their chosen fields. By
no way am I condoning or sympathising with their actions at
least they were successful unlike Philthy that is an abject
failure.
> The the WHO banned DDT in countries like Africa, and many
> more died
> because of mossies biting them allowing malaria to
> flourish.
>
DDT was proved to cause extreme harm in the enviroment and
especially it accumulated in high order species in the food
chain e.g. birds of prey, fish, humans
> Darwin didn't necessarily imply that the nicest types and
> the most
> rational would survive, oh no, you get big fucking arsoles
> who survive
> handsomely, and they defy nothing Darwin ever postulated.
I'm sorry Patrick but your are confusing social science here
with evolutionary traits. *IF* what you said above was true
we would still have T-Rex running arround. The biggest
baddest one of all ;-) BTW as you well know the
evolutionary trait of apes with large brains is what gave
them the edge.
>There is
> always a survival advantage to be gained by being the
> worst bastard.
You actually mean here the biggest, badest, meanest. When
in actual fact, in recent human history these people were
the "grunts" employed by their *smarter*, meaner, nastier,
bosses ;-)
> You
> just get people to bend to your will, including females,
> and the nasty
> gene is nicely preserved in the next bunch of bastards.
>
Don't forget Hitler's breeding program.
> If the planet warms by 5C in 100 years, then just you
> watch when food
> gets scarce, the bastards will sure eat well, and invade
> other countries
> to survive, no problem.
As a side issue this is the reason *why* Ethanol for fuel
will never, ever be a reality. It is unconscionable to grow
food for fuel when people are starving!
>
BTW How are you at building Ark's? :-)
> Patrick Turner.
Cheers TT
Doug Flynn
> As a side issue this is the reason *why* Ethanol for fuel will never, ever
> be a reality. It is unconscionable to grow food for fuel when people are
> starving!
If you're going to play that hand, then you would have to admit that beef
production is also unconscionable, given that you could feed 10 times as
many people from the land you use to grow the grain used to feed the
animals......Doug
Doug Flynn
>
> Here in aus.hi-fi, you have two psychopaths that I know of: Phil Allison,
> and Brian L. McCarty.
You can add yourself to that list. You do come across as a bit of a psycho
yourself (no offence), not to mention the stalking tendencies and paranoia.
Cheers. Doug
Doug Flynn
> If the planet warms by 5C in 100 years, then just you watch when food
> gets scarce, the bastards will sure eat well, and invade other countries
> to survive, no problem.
Look on the bright side - in 100 years all of us in Canberra will have
waterfront properties.....Doug :-)
Les Cargill
That's only true if ag. production isn't growing
year by year or fast enough. It is.
Agricultural land is going out of production very rapidly,
as yields go up. There are even legal structures in place to help
people hang on to family grazing land by placing it in trust. By
agreeing to let the land go wild, they stop having to bear
a tax burden on it and maintain a nominal claim.
http://www.texaslandconservancy.org/
--
Les Cargill
Soundhaspriority
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No offense taken. It's easy to become confused. McCarty and Allison have
both been stalking ME, including repeated visits to stores down the street
and parking for hours outside my house. Both have been inside my house, one
pretending to be a telephone repairman and the other pretending to be a
plumber. And I'm aware of McCarty's Risperdol addiction because he stole
mine the last time he was here.
http://robertmorein.blogspot.com/
"I don't really have a replacement career, it's a very gnawing thing."
Robert Morein
Dresher, PA
(310) 237-6511
(215) 646-4894
Patrick Turner
And if vacuum tubes were not made there would be much labour and
material which could be devoted to the starving masses.
Your basic argument could be made 1,001 times over about everything.
I just read 'The Vanishing Face of Gaia', by James Lovelock.
Our species is a pretty flawed species to be sure, and we will get our
comuppance as time rolls by.
Just image Canberra being 5C average temp warmer. Our winters would be
like Sydney's, and our summers like Bourke.
The growing season for food will become a lot shorter, and we won't be
able to export any food and we will battle to feed the 50 million who
will live in Oz in 100 years.
Then imagine the sea levels swamping all the coastal cities with water
100 metres above where it is now, as it has been many times before.
Then we will have to rebuild everything, thus causing more CO2.
Don't worry, a good number will survive the future.
Its nature, it goes down the gurgler sometimes, the rises up again. 65
million years ago, a big rock hit earth and fucked up life real big time
for many thousands of years. That rock event was a big one but there
have been a fair few others before it over the last few hundred million
years. But life still went on, and we eventually evolved from the tiny
mammal critters back then.
But we then became the dominant species, and each one of use needs 2kW
of power to live, 24/7, which is a 20 fold increase on what it was per
head when there was only a billion of us. So we have become like a big
rock, or a non stop volcano.
The stupid ethanol issue is one of many that is merely tinkering around
the edges, like trying to tune the piano before continuing with terrible
music as the Titanic very slowly sinks. If they played better music, ie,
didn't do ethanol, then maybe we wouldn't mind when we sink with the
ship. But the ethanol is only one problem of 1,001 others, many much
larger....
They say when sea levels rise to a maximum when all the land ice has
melted then the land submerged is equal to the area of Africa.
This implies africans will drown, not americans, but that is not quite
right. There will be some mass migrations and wars as the waters and the
temperature rises. I won't be around.
So if yer don't worry, and let the world go to hell as it wants to, then
you can be happy.
Patrick Turner.
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Bob Morein
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Soundhaspriority
"Doug Flynn" <doog...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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90% of the posts into aus.hi-fi as "soundhaspriority" are forgeries. I
haven't remarked on it lately, because I thought everyone knew. In fact,
this very thread, "shipping tube gear", was started by a forgery by Mr.
McCarty. The paragraph
"My mail is constantly being opened an investigated. I've seen shadowy
figures stalking me around the neighborhood when I go on my daily run. I'm
sure McCarty is organizing this harassment and intimidation. I'm also sure
he's posing as my Federal Express deliveryman."
is not mine. Mr. McCarty works by taking material that I've written, and
adding garbage such as the above to make me look like a nut. It's a somewhat
sophisticated strategy for defamation with the two tactics:
1. Crosspost to annoy -- the thread was originally part of rec.audio.pro.
2. Change the text to make the victim look like a nut.
The last substantial dialog I had on aus.hi-fi was with Iain Churches about
recording. I don't dialog on usenet about politics. Posts that refer to
deviant sex, my family, or insult another person, have been altered by Mr.
McCarty.
Regards,
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Doug Flynn
Look on the bright side - we'll all be dead in 100 years....Doug :-)
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> Two inches of foam is enough to protect a hard disk thrown across the room.
> Your gear is undoubtedly much more rugged. Tubes falling out of sockets have
> been a problem since the beginning.
Hi Bwian,
unusually for you you make a valid point about tube retention. In my 'tube days'
tubes were almost invariably retained in their sockets by simple spring clips or
screening cans. Sadly these seem to be almost extinct now if not totally so. You
could also buy anti-microphonic bases with a synthetic rubber or flexible
plastic mounting.
Graham
--
due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious adjustment to
my email address
Eeyore
William Sommerwerck wrote:
I have a lovely Sony E530 21" Trinitron multisync high res monitor here that I
got cheap as 'B stock'. Turns out some clown ran the tangs of his forklift
through the packaging. Rejected by the customer and I got it at half price.
Basically just minor cosmetic damage. Never underestimate the ability of
shippers to destroy things.
Soundhaspriority
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The good part of the post is mine. You'll find it in r.a.o. The
paranoia-forgery is Bwian's.
Soundhaspriority
"Soundhaspriority" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4A6536D1...@notcoldmail.com...
>>
> Graham,
> The good part of the post is mine. You'll find it in r.a.o. The
> paranoia-forgery is Bwian's.
>
somewhere in the U.K.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Patrick Turner
Nature indeed looks on the bright side, and happily will take revenge
against some irritating pest like Homo Sapiens.
I'm sure many other ppl will be glad about your expiry and mine sooner
rather than later.
Any person who is really interested in propagating his or her genes
secretly would not mind much if 90% of the other people in the world all
died next week. Its one reason wars are tolerated, and engaged in with
gusto. Watched Foyle's War on ABC 1 recently?
Young folks spend their entire youth propogating their genes. They wish
for their children's welfare and comfort. ( fuck everyone else ).
But anyway, I'l be gone much sooner than 100 years.
But I just cannot see much of a bright future for all mankind and the
women who urge them on about business as usual In 1,000 years things
will be extraordinarily different, and beyound our easy comprehension at
current rates of scientific "progress", were we able to be transported
to the future.
Quite a few will have the savvy to make a good profit from the misery of
the future. Someone will be happy.
I'm hoping we begin to decode the intelligent data signals probably
passing by Earth from many much more advanced civilisations of Space.
At present we have not much of a clue about what intelligent signals
from space would look like. The may be buried deep in noise, and of some
unusual type of radiation. Meanwhile, TV shows of Father Knows Best from
the 1960s are moving away from us and are about 40 light years away.
There isn't much other civilisations could learn from us, except that we
are a pretty dopey fuckin lot.
But any info from more advanced beings than us won't necessarily make us
deal with problems here any better than we have been.
We still have to eat and shit, and fuckwits and fuckwitettes still chase
idiotic castles in the air which cost us the natural environment.
And once we find several planets suitable for human habitation, then
many won't feel guilty about trashing this planet entirely, because the
future kiddies can make a mess after moving to a new planet. So we won't
just be a pox here, we'll become a Galactic Pox, and maybe become a
Universal Pox.
Patrick Turner.
TT
>
>
> In 1,000 years things
> will be extraordinarily different, and beyound our easy
> comprehension at
> current rates of scientific "progress", were we able to be
> transported
> to the future.
>>
I bet someone like you is still making Toob gear ;-) Or
perhaps as technology moves on Toobed output stages for
domestic robots :-))
Cheers TT
Scott Dorsey
>
>unusually for you you make a valid point about tube retention. In my 'tube days'
>tubes were almost invariably retained in their sockets by simple spring clips or
>screening cans. Sadly these seem to be almost extinct now if not totally so. You
>could also buy anti-microphonic bases with a synthetic rubber or flexible
>plastic mounting.
Antique Electronics Supply sells both spring clips and shields. They don't
usually have shockmounted sockets (although they DID have shockmounted
nuvistor sockets the last time I needed some).
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Eeyore
Soundhaspriority wrote:
> <doog...@bigpond.com> wrote
> > "Soundhaspriority" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> >>
> >> Here in aus.hi-fi, you have two psychopaths that I know of: Phil Allison,
> >> and Brian L. McCarty.
> >
> > You can add yourself to that list. You do come across as a bit of a psycho
> > yourself (no offence), not to mention the stalking tendencies and paranoia.
>
> No offense taken. It's easy to become confused. McCarty and Allison have
> both been stalking ME, including repeated visits to stores down the street
> and parking for hours outside my house. Both have been inside my house, one
> pretending to be a telephone repairman and the other pretending to be a
> plumber. And I'm aware of McCarty's Risperdol addiction because he stole
> mine the last time he was here.
Yet more nonsense from Bwian McCarty himself posing as Bob.
Ron
>
> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>
>> <doog...@bigpond.com> wrote
>>> "Soundhaspriority" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
>>>> Here in aus.hi-fi, you have two psychopaths that I know of: Phil Allison,
>>>> and Brian L. McCarty.
>>> You can add yourself to that list. You do come across as a bit of a psycho
>>> yourself (no offence), not to mention the stalking tendencies and paranoia.
>> No offense taken. It's easy to become confused. McCarty and Allison have
>> both been stalking ME, including repeated visits to stores down the street
>> and parking for hours outside my house. Both have been inside my house, one
>> pretending to be a telephone repairman and the other pretending to be a
>> plumber. And I'm aware of McCarty's Risperdol addiction because he stole
>> mine the last time he was here.
>
> Yet more nonsense from Bwian McCarty himself posing as Bob.
>
> Graham
As most of us have these sad individuals killfiled, why polute the group
by replying to them? - which is exactly what they want.
Ron
Peter Larsen
> And once we find several planets suitable for human habitation, then
> many won't feel guilty about trashing this planet entirely, because
> the future kiddies can make a mess after moving to a new planet. So
> we won't just be a pox here, we'll become a Galactic Pox, and maybe
> become a Universal Pox.
Check the specs for this planet: "stone planet in the water zone with
stabilizing moon and a double iron core due to previous impact of similar
sized body at exactly the right angle to put its litosphere up there and the
iron core below our feet".
This here precious planet we live on is rare beyond the point of
improbability.
Make no mistake btw: the pacific ocean IS the impact crater and the
continent migration and eartquakes are caused by hour planet not yet having
settled after that impact.
> Patrick Turner.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
Joe Kotroczo
<r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:
Most of us have Graham killfiled. Why reply to him?
--
Joe Kotroczo kotr...@mac.com
TT
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23.5deg. to give us the seasons as well ;-)
Cheers TT
Ron
Fair point
Ron
Ben Bradley
rec.audio.pro,rec.arts.movies.production.sound,aus.hi-fi and
rec.audio.tubes, On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:11:25 GMT, "Doug Flynn"
<doog...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Furthermore, the problem for many or most starving people across
the world is NOT lack of food production. There's plenty of food to go
around. The UN Food Program feeds (as I recall a few years ago) 90
million people, but one thing the UN does NOT do is go to war to feed
people. There are dictators who seize incoming food shipments and only
feed those citizens who join the dictator's army. The solution to
feeding these people appears to involve military action.
Patrick Turner
Peter Larsen wrote:
>
> Patrick Turner wrote:
>
> > And once we find several planets suitable for human habitation, then
> > many won't feel guilty about trashing this planet entirely, because
> > the future kiddies can make a mess after moving to a new planet. So
> > we won't just be a pox here, we'll become a Galactic Pox, and maybe
> > become a Universal Pox.
>
> Check the specs for this planet: "stone planet in the water zone with
> stabilizing moon and a double iron core due to previous impact of similar
> sized body at exactly the right angle to put its litosphere up there and the
> iron core below our feet".
>
> This here precious planet we live on is rare beyond the point of
> improbability.
Bollocks.
The probablility that our kind of planet exists elsewhere is extremly
likely.
Once you say it is improbable for a planet like ours to exist elsewhere,
and in a form which would be easy for us to colonise, ie, no hostile
natives, nice clean air like ours, clean water, and mild temperature
etc, etc, then you must define the probablity to numbers, say maybe 1
planet in 10 million samples. But 10 million is a tiny astronomical
number and there are billions of galaxies each with billions of stars
each with a their own little/big solar system. So there are probably
millions of habitable planets available for us to move to to fuck up
like we are fucking up this place. Some will have already been
thouroughly well rooted by their own experiments with evolved
intelligence, while some may have survived the experiment and would be
so advanced beyond us that they will see our space ships as a bunch of
angry little mozzies, and one little spray with death rays and our
little brave explorers will be fried to a vapour before they realise
anything is wrong.
We have hardly begun to scratch the surface of what lies Out There.
Then there are all the other endless universes beyond the tiny little
one we find ourselves in. If time has been going on before the Big Bang,
then it stretches back to the beginning of time, which is way beyound
our comprehension, and the end of time stretches the other way beyond
our comprehension. Since the feeble human brain is a very tiny finite
bunch of matter, it cannot contain the information needed to describe
the universe we are within, because the knowledge is infinite, let alone
a simple explanation of what lies outside our known universe. All this
is the sobering fact about our feebleness. We like to think we are a
smart species, but in cosmic terms we are little more developed than a
cat. And I've known some cats which were nicer creatures than many
humans.
>
> Make no mistake btw: the pacific ocean IS the impact crater and the
> continent migration and eartquakes are caused by hour planet not yet having
> settled after that impact.
Hmm, I think you have a limited scientific knowledge. Just because you
see that the Pacific Ocean is a big hole full of water, it does not mean
it is a huge crater. The world's continents are thin layers of solid
rock floating on top of a hot molten core whose heat is generated by
radioactive decay, no? There are convention currents in the molten core
which move slowly, and thus carry the continents around like leaves upon
a pond. Where these continents are being brought together or pulled
apart, or where they slide past each other causes the stresses and
earthquakes we experience.
If you could take a holiday for 10 million years on Escapia, that planet
with blue seas and plenty of nice mermaids, and then return, you'd find
that Oz had moved north some 500km north at the current rate it is now
moving. The world map would be rather different. In 100 million years
the travel would be 5,000km, and maybe you'd find the Pacific ocean had
become a puddle. But maybe also a bit hard to predict. There could also
be asteroids hits during this and followed by mass extinctions or life
lasting hundreds or thousands of years, but some life has survived each
mass extinction event. Its all happened before, and the fossil record
shows many such mass extinctions followed by renewals of evolution
within the changed environment. Of course thie doesn't suit those who
believe the Earth was created about 6,000 years ago by an old guy with
white beard in the sky. But something, call it a God if you want to must
have designed the laws of physics and let them evolve, so God is Great,
sure enough, whatever God is.
As evolution continues, the cream tends to float to the top.
But all manner of scum also floats to the top.
We don't need or want an asteriod hit right now, but it looks inevitable
that one will occur sometime in the future.
Meanwhile, in the blink of an eye in cosmic time Homo Sapiens has become
equivalent to a continuous volcanic eruption spewing gigatons of crap
into the air and oceans where it rests very uneasily.
Maybe you should read the books of James Lovelock to know more, then
read books by those who oppose the views of Lovelock, so you can make
your mind up. But if you read nothing, then you'll learn nothing, and
remain ignorant and supersticious. And of course what does it matter or
mean if you knew the truth about Nature? You'll still have to pay a
mortgage and pay the bills and suffer the pains of life.
So it pays not to be an arsole for the rest of us to deal with while you
are here for your brief little life, OK!
If you divide all the Earth's attributes by about 6.5 billion, then you
can understand how big your portion of the world is in terms of square
metres of land and tonnes or air.
You can know how much arrable land and forest and sea and mountains and
ice has your name on it. How many gum trees and kangaroos you own.
If you do this set of calculations over several evenings, you'll find
out that your piece of the Farm isn't entirely huge, and that your
actions in being human upon your patch of Dear Earth will have an
effect. So if you dig huge holes to mine something, drill oil wells,
then light fires all the time, and farm wastefully, the bit of sea you
have will become muddy, and the skies will be smoky, and the land will
degrade and your own bit of forest will have much reduced biodiveresity,
and you'll upset your neighbours and your animals on your own Patch.
And in 50 years when the Earth's population might become 12 billion,
everyone's slice of the farm will become half what it is now, and
everyone wants to live like a king on their little block so the pressure
on resources on each allottment will also double, so in 50 years the
pressure will be 4 times what it is now, and having to deal with the
effects of making a mess for the last 250 years of industrial
"progress".
With luck, enough of the world's population will become educated enough
to know what's likely then become well depressed about the future so
that they become sexually dysfunctional, stop fucking, then not have
children. This has already happened in many countries like Japan and
Italy etc, and they have many ageing old people and a lot of
masturbating youngsters who won't leave home until they are 40 with a
birthrate below what is a population replacement rate. But such
dysfunctionality should be rewarded by governments to ease the burdens
of living of future generations.
The Chinese went active about it and said one child per couple is
enough, and they have tried to enforce it Until we can have a positive
instead of negative effect on Nature, the Chinese approach is laudable,
IMHO. But many wanna get rich like us..... The Indians also want a slice
of Apple Rich Pie as well, and the queue of have nots for the goods and
services available at a supermucket called Consumerania now stretches
thousands of kilometres down Earth's dusty roads.....
So for each person who is appalled at what is happening to Earth, there
are 10 who are hell bent on ruining it.
Patrick Turner.
TT
>
>, while some may have survived the experiment and would be
> so advanced beyond us that they will see our space ships
> as a bunch of
> angry little mozzies, and one little spray with death rays
> and our
> little brave explorers will be fried to a vapour before
> they realise
> anything is wrong.
And I bet on their home World there will be some old bloke
out in his back shed still churning out toob gear ;-)
Cheers TT :-))
Patrick Turner
Doug is dead right again.
The water level of Lake Burley Griffin can only rise to drown us.
But that'll mainly be due to the outpouring of manure from Parliment in
that Giant Fancy Outhouse at Capitol Hill where they spend all day
creating new ways of creating manure. Its secretly being piped down the
Monogolo river, and is slowly building up, and thus will raise the river
beds and hence the water levels. Its no good dredging the river for the
manure because when you drag out a bucket of fibs and plant somink then
only a bush of lies will grow.
All jokes asside though, Oz **did have** an inland sea repeatedly in
past epochs when the weather warmed and the ice all melted. Sea levels
were 100M higher than at present. One reason there is so much salt in
inland Oz is because previous seas have slowly dried up....
The whole continent of Oz is also drifting north at 50mm per year. In
10,000 years it will be 500km further north, and the weather definately
will change for sure....
In 1 million years, don't ask me where Antarctica might be....
Sea levels are now rising about 1mm per year, so at the present rate it
will be 1M higher in 1,000 years, but if we could believe what James
Lovelock has to say, the weather will become unstable and get hotter,
then cooler, hotter, cooler in a time of cycles just like an amplifier
with a mix of positive and negative FB as it begins to oscillate before
becoming saturated, and settling in a somewhat steady hotter state.
Systems with several interacting positive and negative FB loops can be
irritatingly difficult to model, and Earth has such a batch of systems
IMHO. But such systems can then wait for a bit more shit to happen which
will re-regulate the climate to cooler, and that shit that may happen
might include the extinction of most life on Earth, as has happened many
times before. If I were to be an archeologist in 4009 working on an old
rubbish tip from 2009, I might be able to smile at the stupidity of so
many before me, and wonder how the climate modellers could have gotten
things so wrong. Don't ask me what archeology would be like in 200,009.
Probably the calender years will have been re-calibrated to the birth of
someone born who had a far bigger effect than Christ had, or to the
discovery of something Out There, or to the take over of Earth by
Unkindly Folks from planet Orful. ( UFO ) If you go back 30,000 years in
Oz history, there were ppl wandering about drawing pictures in caves and
making whoopee when they could, and they had to wait 28,000 years before
they could buy a calender relating to a Special Bloke who arrived in the
year 0.
So the rate of warming and sea level rise might drastically increase,
and then the 1mm rate per year may become 50 times greater in some
years, also as has happened before.
The politicians will doo too little, too late, and people will have
voted for them to do that. Nobody is ever going to vote for a government
which says "from tommorrow, electricity prices will rise 600%, and the
cost of living will rise 300% so youse basturds can have yer fukinn CO2
reductions yer fuckin want!!" Not even if they said it nicely, and
permitted people to buy Christams presents.
Everyone on the planet wants to get rich, not poor, but to make a
serious change to C02, we must make enormous investments in nuclear
power at a stupendous cost and then stop fucking the planet in 1,001
other ways, such as ripping all the forest down so we can have nice
front doors and kitchen cabinets to please the damn dumb missus who is
pregnant yet again because we used our cock more than ther planet allows
us to.
But with much falling birthrates as education and wealth spreads, there
won't be the energetic young labour to make the changes we need to
make....
I hope we make contact with the many other distant intelligent planets
soon so we may compare notes. Its sobering to think that were we to pick
up any signals from Out There, they might be at least 100 years old, and
utterly out of date.......
The chance of receiving a signal which read "Hi, we are on a planet
which has greenhouse problems, so this is what you have to do" is rather
a low probability. Basically, we are alone with our problems, and that
surely is the essence of the human condition. Its a Humpdy Dumpty
problem. Imagine if we survived OK for 10 million years. That's
civilisation going on for another 1,000 times as long as it already has.
I suggest advancements in ways of being and sending messages we develop
between now and then would not at all be recognisable by the technology
we have now. Its possible the multiverses out there are teeming with
high intelligences and were we to contact just one it might be like
discovering God for the first time, instead of imagining Him as we have
for the last brief few milleniums as a series of invented superstitions.
Then imagine making contact with thousands of intellgences Out There.
One God? C'mon, that's another very limited idea. But shit happens of
course, and many such wondrous intelligent life forms would have fucked
themselves up by now and dissapeared in a gamma radiation burst.
So we still wouldn't have a clue what God was though.
I personally think that when we are young and dumb, there's a special
hormone that makes us think we are something much more special than we
really are, and it drives us to root sheilas and produce offspring and
want everything to propel our species forward. Anyway, as age takes a
grip, we loose the *fool* hormone, and we see the follies of our
existance and the smoke of old dreams. Remember, most history was
created by young blokes and they didn't often live very long......
We don't learn until we are forced to.
Patrick Turner.
Robert Morein
"Ian Bell" <ruffr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h3ahlc$6gm$2...@localhost.localdomain...
>I recently sent a prototype tube mic pre from here in the UK to a client in
>the USA via DHL. The mic pre is built in a sealed die cast box and has a
>separate similarly constructed linear power supply. I surrounded each with
>about 2 inches of foam, then some polystyrene so they fitted snugly into a
>cardboard box.
>
> Despite that, on arrival a tube had been shook out of its socket - OK
> maybe tubes should go separately - but worse, a sub-chassis that fitted
> into slots inside the die cast box had worked loose and pulled off some
> connections to its tube sockets.
>
> Now given how I packed it, there was no way I expected a sub-chassis to
> work loose.; DHL must have really thrown it about to achieve that.
>
> based gear, especially internationally, and what lessons are there to be
> learned.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian
Two inches of foam is enough to protect a hard disk thrown across the room.
Your gear is undoubtedly much more rugged. Tubes falling out of sockets have
been a problem since the beginning. But for a sub-chassis to "work loose?"
That's incredible. I've become physically ill thinking about it.
Shortly after 9/11, I received a package of three small photographic filters
in a padded envelope that had obviously been opened. The round filter
containers may have registered as bacterial culture containers.
My mail is constantly being opened an investigated. I've seen shadowy
figures stalking me around the neighborhood when I go on my daily run. I'm
sure McCarty is organizing this harassment and intimidation. I'm also sure
he's posing as my Federal Express deliveryman.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511