For Sale - ME 550II Hi Cap Power Amplifier - Pristine Condition
Chris Mulhall
I have one ME 550II Hi Cap amplifier for sale. I'm selling it as I have
finally saved enough to purchase an 850. The unit is the current model and
is in pristine condition with no marks or scratches. I had it serviced by
Reg Mills Stereo in October last year and the technican, Scott, informed me
that it is the best he had seen. I can forward photos if requested.
The unit comes with the original box and manual. I'm asking $1600 for the
unit and will post via registered mail to anywhere in Australia.
Thanks
Chris Mulhall
Brisbane
bassett
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a sucker on E-bay to buy a 30 year old designed pile of junk. from a
company that closed it's doors years ago.. But tell me does it come with a
set of Schematic's . Cos if it does there's a bloke from Finland who might
be interested, if the price is reduced by 80% And your saving your pennies
to swap the thing for another out of production modal.
Some people just can't be helped. We await your add on E-bay. But tell
us are you related to TW
bassett
Trevor Wilson
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Chris Mulhall" <NOSPAMc...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Hello
>>
>> I have one ME 550II Hi Cap amplifier for sale. I'm selling it as I have
>> finally saved enough to purchase an 850. The unit is the current model
>> and is in pristine condition with no marks or scratches. I had it
>> serviced by Reg Mills Stereo in October last year and the technican,
>> Scott, informed me that it is the best he had seen. I can forward photos
>> if requested.
>>
>> The unit comes with the original box and manual. I'm asking $1600 for
>> the unit and will post via registered mail to anywhere in Australia.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris Mulhall
>> Brisbane
>>
> You are of cause Dreaming, it's worth something like 500, if you can find
> a sucker on E-bay to buy a 30 year old designed pile of junk.
**Dream on. It's not a Rotel. The ME550-II was designed less than 10 years
ago.
from a
> company that closed it's doors years ago..
**Yep, they did. However, they're open again.
But tell me does it come with a
> set of Schematic's .
**No use to you. Tell us: Did your Rotel come with schematics? Do you have
any? More importantly, I recently attempted to service a 10 year old Rotel.
The fault was in the digital processor. I requested schematics. Not
available. The schematics were NEVER available. I then requested a new
replacement PCB. No longer available. That's Rotel for you. Hell, that's
pretty much all of the major manufacturers. Try and get supoort for any
product more than 10 years old and you'll be well out of luck. At least
Peter Stein supports EVERY SINGLE ME product ever sold. Even stuff dating
back 32 years.
Cos if it does there's a bloke from Finland who might
> be interested, if the price is reduced by 80%
**The bloke from Finland is not interested. He hasn't even approached the
manufacturer for service data.
And your saving your pennies
> to swap the thing for another out of production modal.
**Wrong. The ME850 is current production.
>
> Some people just can't be helped.
**Pot, kettle, black.
We await your add on E-bay. But tell
> us are you related to TW
**He's not. Unlike you, however, Chris has enjoyed the sound of an ME550-II
for some time. So much so, that he has decided to upgrade. Can't blame him
for that. The ME850 is one sweet amp. Not that you'd ever know.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Chris Mulhall
I second your comments. I have auditioned many more expensive ie 10k plus
amps, but have always come back to ME....
And for the knocker today I was emailing Peter Stein for advice, and he is
'full steam ahead'. Only last month my neighbour here in Brisbane had his
ME gear upgraded by Peter and the service/turn around time was only a matter
of a couple of weeks. My neighbour is very happy with the improvements
made/costs..
Cheers Chris...
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Chris Mulhall
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GD
upgraded just last month and I can't find anything on the market 5 times
it's price that matches it ...
$500 for an ME 500II High Cap would be bargain but in reality it's worth a
lot more . Your budget of $500 might buy you all 5 speakers , a subwoofer ,
a TV , A dvd player and sound you would be happy with .
Anyway my opinion, I'm enjoying my CD collection so much more now , that's
all that counts .. No use having good gear if you don't listen to music ..
:-) I have a separate system for my movies viewing ..
Cheers ..
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keithr
This months Silicon Chip presents a design for a 135w (200w into 4 ohms)
class AB amp module. The specs are <0.008% THD (typically 0.001% into 8
ohms) and flat from 4Hz (-3dB) to 50KHz (-1dB). Jaycar will be producing a
kit for $A89.50, so 2 of these plus power supply plus heatsinks (purple ones
a little extra) plus case comes out at $A500 or less if you have basic
soldering skills. If you don't then it should be possible to get someone who
has to build it for you for say $A250. Either way you get a new amp with
specs as good as the ME for less than half the price with all the service
information that anybody could desire, and no need to ship it to darkest
Kuranda to be fixed. No 1% matched parts either. You could probably afford
to put in the requisite 450000uF of capacitors and still come out at half
the price.
Keith
PS. Why is is necissary to get solid state amps serviced?
bassett
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> www.rageaudio.com.au
Your incorrect, you have made an error, I have heard a ME 550, I was as
always, unimpressed, But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
machine, for the money.
Actually as I,m quite a helpful little Mutt, I, Me, myself over time have
acquired 5 x 1070 power amps to run a HT system for a fellow mutt, using
a 1095 to control them. I see there's a nice Copland on E-bay at the
moment, which would also do the job.
And it's nice to see you offering words of infinite wisdom on SNA, you sure
have rattled a few cages, and destroyed a few dreams of the fathfull in the
process. Still never mind most of them are wankers in search of there next
pull anyway .
But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really think
you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your not TW but
someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories, and don't worry I
won't contradict you, they said I was a total disruption, and have locked
me in my kennel, never to attempt the written word there again.. I think
there all suppressed cat people .
And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had a
relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
Hoo-Roo for new, your faithful
little mutt bassett
bassett
"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
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Thank you for the information, kind sir, . And yes I have mastered the art
of soldering, I will fire up the coke brassier, in readiness.
Rushes of to Park Beach plaza, to acquire a copy of Silly Chip magazine
Servicing a SS amp , is the same as an up-grade [why up-grade perfection Mr
Wilson] It's a way to generate funds, one would not normally be able to
acquire while sitting under a coconut tree.
bassett
Trevor Wilson
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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**READ WHAT I WROTE! You have NEVER listened to an ME550-II. Moreover, you
have never performed a blind test, in your system, against your Rotel with
an ME550-II. Had you done so, you would be making different noises right
now.
But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
> 1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
> recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
> machine, for the money.
**Indeed it is. And Rotel is also excellent value for money. However, the
ME550-II is in a different league to your Rotels.
>
> Actually as I,m quite a helpful little Mutt, I, Me, myself over time have
> acquired 5 x 1070 power amps to run a HT system for a fellow mutt,
> using a 1095 to control them. I see there's a nice Copland on E-bay at
> the moment, which would also do the job.
>
> And it's nice to see you offering words of infinite wisdom on SNA, you
> sure have rattled a few cages, and destroyed a few dreams of the fathfull
> in the process. Still never mind most of them are wankers in search of
> there next pull anyway .
>
> But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
> thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really think
> you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your not TW
> but someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories, and don't
> worry I won't contradict you, they said I was a total disruption, and
> have locked me in my kennel, never to attempt the written word there
> again.. I think there all suppressed cat people .
> And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
> thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had a
> relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
**I am fantasising about nothing.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
atec77
Do us all a favour please
fuckoffanddisappear
bassett
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
As you can see I,ve removed all the crap, as
it's ''remove crap week" But I,ve left your importants bits in
>> Your incorrect, you have made an error, I have heard a ME 550, I was
>> as always, unimpressed,
>
> **READ WHAT I WROTE! You have NEVER listened to an ME550-II. Moreover, you
> have never performed a blind test, in your system, against your Rotel with
> an ME550-II. Had you done so, you would be making different noises right
> now.
I did read it, then it self-distructed, like it does with the man in the
phone box.
And I,ve told you I have heard a 550-II, there's a bloke round the corner
with one, he's also got a shaved head and wears a black T-shirt. Which is
a worry
I did try doing a blind test, but was unable to locate the "on" switch
> But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
>> 1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
>> recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
>> machine, for the money.
>
> **Indeed it is. And Rotel is also excellent value for money. However, the
> ME550-II is in a different league to your Rotels.
Yes your right again, they are in a differant league, Its called a "modern
design"
But one small question,, If your ME stuff is so bloody wonderful, Why does
it need your mate with the coconut realestate, to do up-grades, I mean if
it's perfection personified, how can it be improved. Or does it just improve
the internal sections of his wallet.
>> But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
>> thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really
>> think you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your not
>> TW but someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories, and don't
>> worry I won't contradict you, they said I was a total disruption, and
>> have locked me in my kennel, never to attempt the written word there
>> again.. I think there all suppressed cat people .
>> And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
>> thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had a
>> relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
>
> **I am fantasising about nothing.
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
So get back on there, face your accusers and admit who you are.
bassett MOD
[mutt of distinction]
Trevor Wilson
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>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>
>> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>
> As you can see I,ve removed all the crap, as
> it's ''remove crap week" But I,ve left your importants bits in
>
>>> Your incorrect, you have made an error, I have heard a ME 550, I was
>>> as always, unimpressed,
>>
>> **READ WHAT I WROTE! You have NEVER listened to an ME550-II. Moreover,
>> you have never performed a blind test, in your system, against your Rotel
>> with an ME550-II. Had you done so, you would be making different noises
>> right now.
>
> I did read it, then it self-distructed, like it does with the man in the
> phone box.
> And I,ve told you I have heard a 550-II, there's a bloke round the corner
> with one, he's also got a shaved head and wears a black T-shirt. Which
> is a worry
**Wrong. You have stated numerous times, that the amp was an ME550, not an
ME550-II.
>
> I did try doing a blind test, but was unable to locate the "on" switch
**Hardly surprising.
>
>> But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
>>> 1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
>>> recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
>>> machine, for the money.
>>
>> **Indeed it is. And Rotel is also excellent value for money. However, the
>> ME550-II is in a different league to your Rotels.
>
> Yes your right again, they are in a differant league, Its called a "modern
> design"
**LOL! Your Rotel design has remained unchanged for several decades. Well,
except the cosmetics. Like most manufacturers, Rotel aters it's casework
regularly, so people imagine they're buying a new and better product.
They're not. They're buying good, solid, conservative engineering, which
Rotel have used for several decades. The only major difference is that the
more recent products are made in China.
>
> But one small question,, If your ME stuff is so bloody wonderful, Why
> does it need your mate with the coconut realestate, to do up-grades, I
> mean if it's perfection personified, how can it be improved. Or does it
> just improve the internal sections of his wallet.
**Your statement is, presumably, a question. No amplifier is "perfect". Not
even MEs. However, ME amps, like ALL amplifiers, is subject to the normal
issues that need to be addressed periodically. Things like:
* Bias adjustments (I guarantee that after 10 years, your Rotel will require
adjustment).
* Electrolytic capacitor replacement (I guarantee that after 10 years, your
Rotel will require capacitor replacement).
* Updates, due to improved technology components. Power transistors have
undergone several improvements in recent years. Peter Stein offers his
clients the ability to replace the older, lower performace devices, with
more modern, higher performance devices. Same deal with OP amps, regulators,
et al. Does Rotel send you information on updates for their products?
* Updates, due to revised thinking for various issues. In fact a upcoming
update will address at least one of the above issues.
* Like all ME updates, none are compulsory. People are free to take the
offer, or decline. Does Rotel offer updates?
>
>>> But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
>>> thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really
>>> think you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your
>>> not TW but someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories, and
>>> don't worry I won't contradict you, they said I was a total disruption,
>>> and have locked me in my kennel, never to attempt the written word there
>>> again.. I think there all suppressed cat people .
>>> And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
>>> thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had a
>>> relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
>>
>
> > **I am fantasising about nothing.
>
>> --
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
> So get back on there, face your accusers and admit who you are.
**I suggest you get your details correct, before you make a fool of
yourself. You listened to an ME550, not an ME550-II.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
GD
good engineering puts you in a different world .. I guarantee you , you
build this amp below and do an A and B comparison and it would be Apples &
grapes . Wattage isn't everything , I probably listen to 1 watt ME A class
and that is plenty ...
Rotel well what can I say , friend and I compared a rotel power amp rated
higher the the ME 550 II and it sounded like FM radio compared to the ME 550
II ..
:-)
Trevor Wilson
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>
**Sure. I could build a car too, but I'd rather buy one. Of course, if you
don't cost your own labour, building an amp is cheap. For my money, I much
prefer the older SC kit. I believe it to be a superior design, albeit with
somewhat lesser specs. Still and all, the design you cite will almost as
good as a similarly specc'd Rotel. And cheaper too.
If you don't then it should be possible to get someone who
> has to build it for you for say $A250. Either way you get a new amp with
> specs as good as the ME for less than half the price with all the service
> information that anybody could desire, and no need to ship it to darkest
> Kuranda to be fixed.
**You don't have to ship an ME to Kuranda to have it serviced either. BTW:
See if you can provide a complete list of qualified techs who are willing to
service home built amps. I'll give you a hint: Bugger all. If it is
mindboggling specs you want, then buy a Rotel. Their specs are vastly
superior to any ME's.
No 1% matched parts either. You could probably afford
> to put in the requisite 450000uF of capacitors and still come out at half
> the price.
**Yep. What do you think the value of your kit amp will be on the used
market? What do you think the value of an equivalent amp (a Rotel, for
instance) will be?
>
> Keith
>
> PS. Why is is necissary to get solid state amps serviced?
**Because all amplifiers will require some servicing at some time in their
life. Every single one. Electrolytic caps do not last forever, bias
adjustments drift and sometimes, amps fail.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
bassett
>
>
>
> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
> news:489a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>>> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> As you can see I,ve removed all the crap, as
>> it's ''remove crap week" But I,ve left your importants bits in
>>
>>>> Your incorrect, you have made an error, I have heard a ME 550, I was
>>>> as always, unimpressed,
>>>
>>> **READ WHAT I WROTE! You have NEVER listened to an ME550-II. Moreover,
>>> you have never performed a blind test, in your system, against your
>>> Rotel with an ME550-II. Had you done so, you would be making different
>>> noises right now.
>>
>> I did read it, then it self-distructed, like it does with the man in the
>> phone box.
>> And I,ve told you I have heard a 550-II, there's a bloke round the corner
>> with one, he's also got a shaved head and wears a black T-shirt. Which
>> is a worry
>
> **Wrong. You have stated numerous times, that the amp was an ME550, not an
> ME550-II.
++++ whatever , your only splitting hairs. or are you saying that there is
a vast differance in the performance between a 550 and a 550-II
>> I did try doing a blind test, but was unable to locate the "on" switch
>
> **Hardly surprising.
>
>>
>>> But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
>>>> 1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
>>>> recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
>>>> machine, for the money.
>>>
>>> **Indeed it is. And Rotel is also excellent value for money. However,
>>> the ME550-II is in a different league to your Rotels.
>>
>> Yes your right again, they are in a differant league, Its called a
>> "modern design"
>
> **LOL! Your Rotel design has remained unchanged for several decades. Well,
> except the cosmetics. Like most manufacturers, Rotel aters it's casework
> regularly, so people imagine they're buying a new and better product.
> They're not. They're buying good, solid, conservative engineering, which
> Rotel have used for several decades. The only major difference is that the
> more recent products are made in China.
++++There a good solid middle of the range honest product, They hold there
price, and there's
no shortage of buyers for used products on e-bay.
>> But one small question,, If your ME stuff is so bloody wonderful, Why
>> does it need your mate with the coconut realestate, to do up-grades, I
>> mean if it's perfection personified, how can it be improved. Or does it
>> just improve the internal sections of his wallet.
>
> **Your statement is, presumably, a question. No amplifier is "perfect".
> Not even MEs. However, ME amps, like ALL amplifiers, is subject to the
> normal issues that need to be addressed periodically. Things like:
++++ So you publicly admit that ME are not perfect. giant steps indeed,
People might just take you up on that admission.
>
> * Bias adjustments (I guarantee that after 10 years, your Rotel will
> require adjustment).
> * Electrolytic capacitor replacement (I guarantee that after 10 years,
> your Rotel will require capacitor replacement).
> * Updates, due to improved technology components. Power transistors have
> undergone several improvements in recent years. Peter Stein offers his
> clients the ability to replace the older, lower performace devices, with
> more modern, higher performance devices. Same deal with OP amps,
> regulators, et al. Does Rotel send you information on updates for their
> products?
> * Updates, due to revised thinking for various issues. In fact a upcoming
> update will address at least one of the above issues.
> * Like all ME updates, none are compulsory. People are free to take the
> offer, or decline. Does Rotel offer updates?
++++And I guarantee you that I won't have them that long. Unlike you and
a lot of people I don't put value on what I own, Everything has a price.
Everything can be sold on a whim, and is. Just ask my 4 X's [ 2 defacto, 2
married ] and I found them all good homes, like the dog.
I had a bloke round here the other week, went on about an antique
sideboard, So I sold it to him.
I only buy things I know I can sall, So please don't insult me about
owning thing that require updates. I
hear it all the time about people that have expencive toys, then get hit by
a truck, a lot of good there wealth does them.
It's a bit like your daily newspaper, whats todays news is tomorrows chip
paper
>>>> But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
>>>> thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really
>>>> think you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your
>>>> not TW but someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories, and
>>>> don't worry I won't contradict you, they said I was a total
>>>> disruption, and have locked me in my kennel, never to attempt the
>>>> written word there again.. I think there all suppressed cat people .
>>>> And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
>>>> thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had a
>>>> relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
>>>
>>
>> > **I am fantasising about nothing.
>>
>>> --
>>> Trevor Wilson
>>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>>
>> So get back on there, face your accusers and admit who you are.
>
> **I suggest you get your details correct, before you make a fool of
> yourself. You listened to an ME550, not an ME550-II.
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
+++Answer the question Trevor, are you the latest audio disciple on SNA,
If you are please continue to rattle there cages, there all on ego trips of
epic proportions. I'm too bloody old for snow job's on changeing the
subject
bassett.
Kim Elve
You could always hold onto it and use it as a secondary system in another
part of the house. I did that when I upgraded to the ME850 a few years ago.
My old (mid eighties) ME75 has never missed a beat.
Cheers.
Trevor Wilson
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> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:489a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>>>
>>> As you can see I,ve removed all the crap, as
>>> it's ''remove crap week" But I,ve left your importants bits in
>>>
>>>>> Your incorrect, you have made an error, I have heard a ME 550, I
>>>>> was as always, unimpressed,
>>>>
>>>> **READ WHAT I WROTE! You have NEVER listened to an ME550-II. Moreover,
>>>> you have never performed a blind test, in your system, against your
>>>> Rotel with an ME550-II. Had you done so, you would be making different
>>>> noises right now.
>>>
>>> I did read it, then it self-distructed, like it does with the man in the
>>> phone box.
>>> And I,ve told you I have heard a 550-II, there's a bloke round the
>>> corner with one, he's also got a shaved head and wears a black T-shirt.
>>> Which is a worry
>>
>> **Wrong. You have stated numerous times, that the amp was an ME550, not
>> an ME550-II.
>
> ++++ whatever , your only splitting hairs. or are you saying that there
> is a vast differance in the performance between a 550 and a 550-II
**Indeed there is. You've not heard an ME550-II. Before you shoot your mouth
off, I suggest you listen to one.
>
>>> I did try doing a blind test, but was unable to locate the "on" switch
>>
>> **Hardly surprising.
>>
>>>
>>>> But on another note your correct, I do run a pair of
>>>>> 1070 mono block Rotels. I also use a HK HD970 as a DAC, which you
>>>>> recommended, And how right you where, they are a bloody good little
>>>>> machine, for the money.
>>>>
>>>> **Indeed it is. And Rotel is also excellent value for money. However,
>>>> the ME550-II is in a different league to your Rotels.
>>>
>>> Yes your right again, they are in a differant league, Its called a
>>> "modern design"
>>
>> **LOL! Your Rotel design has remained unchanged for several decades.
>> Well, except the cosmetics. Like most manufacturers, Rotel aters it's
>> casework regularly, so people imagine they're buying a new and better
>> product. They're not. They're buying good, solid, conservative
>> engineering, which Rotel have used for several decades. The only major
>> difference is that the more recent products are made in China.
>
> ++++There a good solid middle of the range honest product, They hold there
> price, and there's
> no shortage of buyers for used products on e-bay.
**No argument from me. I have been a supporter of Rotel products for a long
time. None of which takes away form the the fact that their design has
remained unchanged for decades. They just alter the casework, so idiots
think they're buying a new and different model.
>
>
>>> But one small question,, If your ME stuff is so bloody wonderful, Why
>>> does it need your mate with the coconut realestate, to do up-grades, I
>>> mean if it's perfection personified, how can it be improved. Or does it
>>> just improve the internal sections of his wallet.
>>
>> **Your statement is, presumably, a question. No amplifier is "perfect".
>> Not even MEs. However, ME amps, like ALL amplifiers, is subject to the
>> normal issues that need to be addressed periodically. Things like:
>
> ++++ So you publicly admit that ME are not perfect. giant steps indeed,
> People might just take you up on that admission.
**Snipping my comments to eliminatre their meaning is shabby, but expected.
No amplifier is perfect. Not one.
>
>>
>> * Bias adjustments (I guarantee that after 10 years, your Rotel will
>> require adjustment).
>> * Electrolytic capacitor replacement (I guarantee that after 10 years,
>> your Rotel will require capacitor replacement).
>> * Updates, due to improved technology components. Power transistors have
>> undergone several improvements in recent years. Peter Stein offers his
>> clients the ability to replace the older, lower performace devices, with
>> more modern, higher performance devices. Same deal with OP amps,
>> regulators, et al. Does Rotel send you information on updates for their
>> products?
>> * Updates, due to revised thinking for various issues. In fact a upcoming
>> update will address at least one of the above issues.
>> * Like all ME updates, none are compulsory. People are free to take the
>> offer, or decline. Does Rotel offer updates?
>
> ++++And I guarantee you that I won't have them that long. Unlike you
> and a lot of people I don't put value on what I own, Everything has a
> price. Everything can be sold on a whim, and is. Just ask my 4 X's [ 2
> defacto, 2 married ] and I found them all good homes, like the dog.
**Your wastefulness is duly noted. Some of us prefer to buy products which
represent good, long term value for money. ME fits that bill very nicely.
Thanks to the superior back up from the manufacturer and the assurance that
upgrades will be available for all products. To put it into some kind of
perspective for you, think of it like this: Is it better to own one Porsche,
or ten Hyundais? I know what I'd rather own and drive. And it's not made in
Korea.
>
> I had a bloke round here the other week, went on about an antique
> sideboard, So I sold it to him.
> I only buy things I know I can sall, So please don't insult me about
> owning thing that require updates.
**Insult you? In what way? Rotel does not offer upgrades to their products.
They'd rather you think that with a new front panel and a new number, that
you are buying a new and improved amp. They make more money that way.
I
> hear it all the time about people that have expencive toys, then get hit
> by a truck, a lot of good there wealth does them.
> It's a bit like your daily newspaper, whats todays news is tomorrows chip
> paper
**Rotel may well be like that. ME is not.
>
>>>>> But please tell us, where did you find the name Zaphod Beeblebrox , I
>>>>> thought it was only people like me who howled at the moon. I really
>>>>> think you should answer your accusers though. Go on and tell-um your
>>>>> not TW but someone else. Make up a nice story, they like stories,
>>>>> and don't worry I won't contradict you, they said I was a total
>>>>> disruption, and have locked me in my kennel, never to attempt the
>>>>> written word there again.. I think there all suppressed cat people .
>>>>> And you really must stop fantasizing abut new ME production runs, I
>>>>> thought the pills where working, but sadly it would seen you have had
>>>>> a relapse, yet again.. never mind , we all know you mean well
>>>>
>>>
>>> > **I am fantasising about nothing.
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Trevor Wilson
>>>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>>>
>>> So get back on there, face your accusers and admit who you are.
>>
>> **I suggest you get your details correct, before you make a fool of
>> yourself. You listened to an ME550, not an ME550-II.
>
>> --
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
> +++Answer the question Trevor, are you the latest audio disciple on SNA,
> If you are please continue to rattle there cages, there all on ego trips
> of epic proportions. I'm too bloody old for snow job's on changeing the
> subject
**I refer you to the subject line. I am always happy to discuss audio. I
note your continued inability to answer any of my questions.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Rick Stadelmaier
Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>> ++++ whatever , your only splitting hairs. or are you saying that there
>> is a vast differance in the performance between a 550 and a 550-II
>
> **Indeed there is. You've not heard an ME550-II. Before you shoot your mouth
> off, I suggest you listen to one.
Have you conducted blind testing between the amplifiers in question, that is, the 550
and 550II?
I have conducted seamless blind testing with a few different types of speakers, and I
know their is next to no difference in sound. None with certain speakers.
Even the largest difference I detected was so minor as to be extremely difficult to
detect, and only with certain types of music.
In fact using speakers that have a benign load, I could not determine differences
between the bottom model ME (ME200) to the top model ME (ME1400).
Significant differences are only shown when very demanding speakers are being used.
Peter and I had many discussions regarding this and he always agreed that they should
sound identical if benign speakers are used, as they all share the same topology.
>> ++++There a good solid middle of the range honest product, They hold there
>> price, and there's
>> no shortage of buyers for used products on e-bay.
>
> **No argument from me. I have been a supporter of Rotel products for a long
> time. None of which takes away form the the fact that their design has
> remained unchanged for decades. They just alter the casework, so idiots
> think they're buying a new and different model.
And ME had done the very same thing, not as frequently, though they still did it.
So what?
>> and a lot of people I don't put value on what I own, Everything has a
>> price. Everything can be sold on a whim, and is. Just ask my 4 X's [ 2
>> defacto, 2 married ] and I found them all good homes, like the dog.
>
> **Your wastefulness is duly noted.
He said he on-sells the product, where is that being wasteful? If he tossed it in the
bin, that would be wasteful.
> Some of us prefer to buy products which
> represent good, long term value for money. ME fits that bill very nicely.
As do many other brands, including Bassets Rotel.
> Thanks to the superior back up from the manufacturer and the assurance that
> upgrades will be available for all products.
I don't agree with you on this Trevor. In the 10 or so years we dealt with ME, the
back up was good, though not superior (superior to what anyway?). The back up is
'average to above average', however it is not the best we have dealt with.
The entire upgrade process is not quite picture you paint it to be either.
Firstly, much of the product can't be upgraded to exact current specification, so you
don't quite end up with a current model, although it is refurbished and has some
benefits of the current item.
Secondly, the cost of some of these upgrades is quite high, and at the end of the day
you are still left with an old product which has far less value than the equivalent
current model. The extra cost of the current model in this situation is often a more
sensible idea.
Lastly, almost any product can be upgraded by competent technicians in much the same
way ME can. I believe you do that very task yourself, as does Patrick Turner, and I'm
sure many others. So, this is not really any kind of advantage to ME, I guess the
only difference here is that with ME, the upgrade is being done by the manufacture,
which really is neither here nor there.
In fact, I know Redgum and Electra (and I'm sure plenty others) also offer upgrades
to their product, so obviously the smaller boutique manufactures can more easily
offer this service. It would be much more difficult for the more mainstream
manufactures to offer this, though not impossible. But more importantly it's not in
their financial interest.
Bottom line is, ME are not unique in this regard.
> To put it into some kind of
> perspective for you, think of it like this: Is it better to own one Porsche,
> or ten Hyundais? I know what I'd rather own and drive. And it's not made in
> Korea.
That would depend on what you wanted to do with them.
If it were for my own personal use, I'd take the Porsche in a heart beat.
If it were for my ten, 18 year old staff members, I'd take the Hyundais in a heart beat.
So it depends on the circumstance as to which is the better perceived value.
>> +++Answer the question Trevor, are you the latest audio disciple on SNA,
>> If you are please continue to rattle there cages, there all on ego trips
>> of epic proportions. I'm too bloody old for snow job's on changeing the
>> subject
>
> **I refer you to the subject line. I am always happy to discuss audio. I
> note your continued inability to answer any of my questions.
Come off it Trevor, yeh I'm sure discussing audio is part of the reason, I like
discussing audio too, however at the end of the day, you're a salesman just like
anyone else peddling audio.
You can put whatever spin you want on it, but you need to make a buck, and you'll
stoop to any level to do it. Even going incognito on another forum, something which
you've come down on people here for.
How about using the correct channels to peddle your wares, and stop using free to the
PUBLIC forums and news groups to boost your sales.
And at least if you're going to use them, declare your commercial interest, not doing
so is just piss weak Trevor.
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
Sydney, Australia
Trevor Wilson
"Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12181503...@mx2.pip.com.au...
> Hi all, see comments below in between lots of snipping.
>
>
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
>
>>> ++++ whatever , your only splitting hairs. or are you saying that
>>> there is a vast differance in the performance between a 550 and a 550-II
>>
>> **Indeed there is. You've not heard an ME550-II. Before you shoot your
>> mouth off, I suggest you listen to one.
>
>
> Have you conducted blind testing between the amplifiers in question, that
> is, the 550 and 550II?
**Yep.
> I have conducted seamless blind testing with a few different types of
> speakers, and I know their is next to no difference in sound.
**Your opinion is duly noted. The differences between the ME550 and the
ME550-II is substantial.
None with certain speakers.
> Even the largest difference I detected was so minor as to be extremely
> difficult to detect, and only with certain types of music.
**Again: You are entitled to your opinion.
>
> In fact using speakers that have a benign load, I could not determine
> differences between the bottom model ME (ME200) to the top model ME
> (ME1400).
**Just a reminder: We're discussing the ME550 and the ME550-II. Your
goalpost shift is duly noted.
> Significant differences are only shown when very demanding speakers are
> being used.
**Of course.
>
> Peter and I had many discussions regarding this and he always agreed that
> they should sound identical if benign speakers are used, as they all share
> the same topology.
**The ME550 and the ME550-II do not use identical technology.
>
>
>>> ++++There a good solid middle of the range honest product, They hold
>>> there price, and there's
>>> no shortage of buyers for used products on e-bay.
>>
>> **No argument from me. I have been a supporter of Rotel products for a
>> long time. None of which takes away form the the fact that their design
>> has remained unchanged for decades. They just alter the casework, so
>> idiots think they're buying a new and different model.
>
>
> And ME had done the very same thing, not as frequently, though they still
> did it.
> So what?
**Peter never hid the fact. Peter offers upgrades for old models. Few other
manufacturers do. Most just recycle their technology and bung it in a new
case. Then they call it a new model. Let's examine the ME850, for instance.
It was released in 1989. It is STILL in production today, with the same
model number. Peter could have done what most manufacturers do and called it
something different each year. He didn't.
>
>
>>> and a lot of people I don't put value on what I own, Everything has a
>>> price. Everything can be sold on a whim, and is. Just ask my 4 X's [ 2
>>> defacto, 2 married ] and I found them all good homes, like the dog.
>>
>> **Your wastefulness is duly noted.
>
>
> He said he on-sells the product, where is that being wasteful?
**Wasteful is disposing of something, before it has reached the end of it's
useful life. It is wasteful, because he loses money (in most cases).
If he tossed it in the
> bin, that would be wasteful.
**Spending money unwisely is wasteful too.
>
>
>> Some of us prefer to buy products which represent good, long term value
>> for money. ME fits that bill very nicely.
>
>
> As do many other brands, including Bassets Rotel.
**Indeed. Rotel is a great brand and offers decent performance for
reasonable money.
>
>
>> Thanks to the superior back up from the manufacturer and the assurance
>> that upgrades will be available for all products.
>
>
> I don't agree with you on this Trevor. In the 10 or so years we dealt with
> ME, the back up was good, though not superior (superior to what anyway?).
> The back up is 'average to above average', however it is not the best we
> have dealt with.
**Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS after it
was manufactured and I'll take notice. As I was attempting to point out to
bassett, a recent Rotel experience left me profoundly distressed at the
direction the company is going. No service data and no parts for a product
less than 10 years old.
>
> The entire upgrade process is not quite picture you paint it to be either.
>
> Firstly, much of the product can't be upgraded to exact current
> specification, so you don't quite end up with a current model, although it
> is refurbished and has some benefits of the current item.
**Wrong. Anything can be done, if the client wishes it.
>
> Secondly, the cost of some of these upgrades is quite high,
**"High" is a relative term. The last preamp upgrade elevated the ME preamps
to level where not even products like the Mark Levinson 380S could surpass.
For $800.00, that represents stunning value. Looking at it from another
perspective, a client spent (say) $1,000.00 on an ME25 in 1983. In 2000, he
upgraded that preamp. Cost - $800.00. As an accountant, he figured that the
written-down value of the preamp was zero. For less than the cost of his
preamp when new, he had a world-class preamp. He is a happy camper. True
story.
and at the end of the day
> you are still left with an old product which has far less value than the
> equivalent current model.
**"Far less" is a relative term. Somewhat less might be more accurate.
The extra cost of the current model in this situation is often a more
> sensible idea.
**Not necessarily, but sometimes.
>
> Lastly, almost any product can be upgraded by competent technicians in
> much the same way ME can. I believe you do that very task yourself, as
> does Patrick Turner, and I'm sure many others. So, this is not really any
> kind of advantage to ME, I guess the only difference here is that with ME,
> the upgrade is being done by the manufacture, which really is neither here
> nor there.
>
> In fact, I know Redgum and Electra (and I'm sure plenty others) also offer
> upgrades to their product, so obviously the smaller boutique manufactures
> can more easily offer this service. It would be much more difficult for
> the more mainstream manufactures to offer this, though not impossible. But
> more importantly it's not in their financial interest.
>
> Bottom line is, ME are not unique in this regard.
**COMPARED TO ROTEL, IT MOST CERTAINLY IS! Pay attention. I was using Rotel
as an example to prove that bassett is wrong. I have never denied that other
manufacturers offer upgrades.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
keithr
When you get down below 0.1% distortion, a flat frequency response, and low
phase distortion, there really isn't much to chose between amps other than
snob value or fashion. Personally, I like to build stuff, it is relaxing and
not a great strain on the brain cells, you could teach anybody of average
intellegence and manual dexterity to do it in a day or so. Building a car is
a somewhat different matter.
> If you don't then it should be possible to get someone who
>> has to build it for you for say $A250. Either way you get a new amp with
>> specs as good as the ME for less than half the price with all the service
>> information that anybody could desire, and no need to ship it to darkest
>> Kuranda to be fixed.
>
> **You don't have to ship an ME to Kuranda to have it serviced either. BTW:
> See if you can provide a complete list of qualified techs who are willing
> to service home built amps. I'll give you a hint: Bugger all. If it is
> mindboggling specs you want, then buy a Rotel. Their specs are vastly
> superior to any ME's.
There are always people who can fix audio gear, lets face it fixing audio
isn't rocket science, even fixing TVs is a lot more complicated. Back in the
day when I made my living fixing stuff, the worst insult was to call someone
a TV tech. For me, it isn't an issue, I spent half a lifetime fixing stuff
that makes audio amps look like leggo, if I can't fix an amp, its time to
go. If a tech can't fix an audio amp given the circuit, theory of operation,
and construction instuctions, then its time for him to go.
> No 1% matched parts either. You could probably afford
>> to put in the requisite 450000uF of capacitors and still come out at half
>> the price.
>
> **Yep. What do you think the value of your kit amp will be on the used
> market? What do you think the value of an equivalent amp (a Rotel, for
> instance) will be?
Who cares, if I buy an ME for 6 grand, how much will it depreciate, if it is
more that $500 then it is a loser compared to throwing away a $500 amp in
the worst case. I don't really bother too much about second hand value
anyway I don't change it just for the hell of it. I have had the current amp
and CD player for about 8 years now and I only bought them as they provided
some features that the old ones didn't (my dughter still uses the old ones
now 20 years old, never been "Serviced") and my speakers are 20 years old. I
see no reason to replace any of them.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> PS. Why is is necissary to get solid state amps serviced?
>
> **Because all amplifiers will require some servicing at some time in their
> life. Every single one. Electrolytic caps do not last forever, bias
> adjustments drift and sometimes, amps fail.
Well designed, properly treated solid state electronics should run for
better than 10 years without any problem, my Sony TV set has done so and
that is a far more demanding application than audio. Good modern
electrolytics should last a very long time indeed as long as they are run
within their specs and are kept reasonably cool. I see no reason whatsoever
to service any SS gear unless it actually shows signs of distress.
Keith
Trevor Wilson
"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:489b...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
**Indeed. And building amps is not for everyone either.
>
>> If you don't then it should be possible to get someone who
>>> has to build it for you for say $A250. Either way you get a new amp with
>>> specs as good as the ME for less than half the price with all the
>>> service information that anybody could desire, and no need to ship it to
>>> darkest Kuranda to be fixed.
>>
>> **You don't have to ship an ME to Kuranda to have it serviced either.
>> BTW: See if you can provide a complete list of qualified techs who are
>> willing to service home built amps. I'll give you a hint: Bugger all. If
>> it is mindboggling specs you want, then buy a Rotel. Their specs are
>> vastly superior to any ME's.
>
> There are always people who can fix audio gear, lets face it fixing audio
> isn't rocket science, even fixing TVs is a lot more complicated.
**Fixing HOME BUILT audio equipment can be much harder than rocket science.
I no longer accept them fopr service. It's too much effort for no return.
Back in the
> day when I made my living fixing stuff, the worst insult was to call
> someone a TV tech. For me, it isn't an issue, I spent half a lifetime
> fixing stuff that makes audio amps look like leggo, if I can't fix an amp,
> its time to go. If a tech can't fix an audio amp given the circuit, theory
> of operation, and construction instuctions, then its time for him to go.
**HOME BUILT amps often have a range of interesting faults built right into
them. As do amps which have been modified by those who think they know
better than the manufacturer. My core balance circuit breaker has been
tripped more than once on these things. I no longer risk my life on them.
>
>> No 1% matched parts either. You could probably afford
>>> to put in the requisite 450000uF of capacitors and still come out at
>>> half the price.
>>
>> **Yep. What do you think the value of your kit amp will be on the used
>> market? What do you think the value of an equivalent amp (a Rotel, for
>> instance) will be?
>
> Who cares, if I buy an ME for 6 grand, how much will it depreciate, if it
> is more that $500 then it is a loser compared to throwing away a $500 amp
> in the worst case.
**Let me remind you: We're discussing an amp worth 2 grand. We've
established that the cost of building your SC amp will be around 1 grand.
Unless, of course, you don't care what it looks like. Cosmetics cost money.
I don't really bother too much about second hand value
> anyway I don't change it just for the hell of it. I have had the current
> amp and CD player for about 8 years now and I only bought them as they
> provided some features that the old ones didn't (my dughter still uses the
> old ones now 20 years old, never been "Serviced") and my speakers are 20
> years old. I see no reason to replace any of them.
>
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> PS. Why is is necissary to get solid state amps serviced?
>>
>> **Because all amplifiers will require some servicing at some time in
>> their life. Every single one. Electrolytic caps do not last forever, bias
>> adjustments drift and sometimes, amps fail.
>
> Well designed, properly treated solid state electronics should run for
> better than 10 years without any problem,
**Yep. Ten years is about it for electros. Under optimum condition.
my Sony TV set has done so and
> that is a far more demanding application than audio. Good modern
> electrolytics should last a very long time indeed as long as they are run
> within their specs and are kept reasonably cool. I see no reason
> whatsoever to service any SS gear unless it actually shows signs of
> distress.
**Yep.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Rick Stadelmaier
> "Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> I have conducted seamless blind testing with a few different types of
>> speakers, and I know their is next to no difference in sound.
>
> **Your opinion is duly noted. The differences between the ME550 and the
> ME550-II is substantial.
Your opinion of an ME salesman is also noted.
The difference between the 550 and 550II is minimal to nothing according to myself
and the panel of listeners (all 3 of them) who have been in attendance during these
tests.
Peter has also agreed with me on this point in a few discussions many years ago.
>> In fact using speakers that have a benign load, I could not determine
>> differences between the bottom model ME (ME200) to the top model ME
>> (ME1400).
>
> **Just a reminder: We're discussing the ME550 and the ME550-II. Your
> goalpost shift is duly noted.
I haven't shifted anything, pay attention (HAH!), I used this last point to
illustrate the minor to no differences in an even wider range of amplification than
the two being discussed.
It simply highlights the closeness of the 2 amps in question.
>> Peter and I had many discussions regarding this and he always agreed that
>> they should sound identical if benign speakers are used, as they all share
>> the same topology.
>
> **The ME550 and the ME550-II do not use identical technology.
It is essentially the same, you've admitted that yourself many times, claiming ME
have used the same topology for over 30 years.
In any case, they are virtually sonically identical.
>> And ME had done the very same thing, not as frequently, though they still
>> did it.
>> So what?
>
> **Peter never hid the fact. Peter offers upgrades for old models. Few other
> manufacturers do. Most just recycle their technology and bung it in a new
> case. Then they call it a new model. Let's examine the ME850, for instance.
> It was released in 1989. It is STILL in production today, with the same
> model number. Peter could have done what most manufacturers do and called it
> something different each year. He didn't.
But that's neither good or bad.
Whether it has a different name or not makes little difference, unless the claim is
made to the effect that something extraordinary has happened from one model to the
next, yet hasn't.
Sure this happens, but not in all cases.
>> He said he on-sells the product, where is that being wasteful?
>
> **Wasteful is disposing of something, before it has reached the end of it's
> useful life. It is wasteful, because he loses money (in most cases).
Utter tripe.
By that definition we would all be driving model T fords.
Everyone has a different perception of 'useful life', people are free to buy and sell
as they choose. What's wasteful to one is not to another.
Bassets way is not right or wrong, and neither is your way right or wrong. Different
people do different things.
>> If he tossed it in the
>> bin, that would be wasteful.
>
> **Spending money unwisely is wasteful too.
Sure, but who determines what's unwise in bassets case?. Certainly not you or I.
>>> Thanks to the superior back up from the manufacturer and the assurance
>>> that upgrades will be available for all products.
>>
>> I don't agree with you on this Trevor. In the 10 or so years we dealt with
>> ME, the back up was good, though not superior (superior to what anyway?).
>> The back up is 'average to above average', however it is not the best we
>> have dealt with.
>
> **Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS after it
> was manufactured and I'll take notice.
I'm sure their are a handful around, Duntech and Krix spring to mind. I'm certain
that Redgum and Electra will do the same when their businesses reach a ripe old age.
You fail to acknowledge that most hi-fi manufactures have not been around that long
and the ones that have, have changed owners several times.
I hope I'm around to service my product in 30 years, I'm just past 1/2 way.
ME had the same owner for it's entire life, Peter mostly did the right thing by his
customers, and continues to do so.
That's great, however it's just one aspect of what constitutes good back up support.
Things such as readily available local service agents, workshop manual availability,
speed of servicing, etc, are all also important.
Whilst their are plenty of people totally satisfied with ME support, their are also
many people who are very very dissatisfied, some frequent this newsgroup.
> As I was attempting to point out to
> bassett, a recent Rotel experience left me profoundly distressed at the
> direction the company is going. No service data and no parts for a product
> less than 10 years old.
Yep, bad. What can I say.
I can also provide a few examples of ME service problems in the 10 years I dealt with
them. I won't, and you shouldn't, because we sell other brands and can't remain
impartial. You're allowing your commercial biases to cloud your judgement as any
salesman does.
>> The entire upgrade process is not quite picture you paint it to be either.
>>
>> Firstly, much of the product can't be upgraded to exact current
>> specification, so you don't quite end up with a current model, although it
>> is refurbished and has some benefits of the current item.
>
> **Wrong. Anything can be done, if the client wishes it.
Can you fit a 2.5kva toroidal in a steel case 850 to bring it to current spec?
Can you fit the current audio modules in an original control pre-amp?
There's more.
Once again, I don't see this as a problem anyway, upgrading is just sometimes not
practical, though I'm just using these examples to show you that some things simply
can not be done, contrary to what you believe.
>> Secondly, the cost of some of these upgrades is quite high,
>
> **"High" is a relative term. The last preamp upgrade elevated the ME preamps
> to level where not even products like the Mark Levinson 380S could surpass.
> For $800.00, that represents stunning value. Looking at it from another
> perspective, a client spent (say) $1,000.00 on an ME25 in 1983. In 2000, he
> upgraded that preamp. Cost - $800.00. As an accountant, he figured that the
> written-down value of the preamp was zero. For less than the cost of his
> preamp when new, he had a world-class preamp. He is a happy camper. True
> story.
I'm sure it is, I did many of these upgrades myself.
But you're again using sales-speak to prove your point.
My point was merely to show that SOME of these upgrades are quite high in price and
do not make economical sense.
>> and at the end of the day
>> you are still left with an old product which has far less value than the
>> equivalent current model.
>
> **"Far less" is a relative term. Somewhat less might be more accurate.
Nope, far less, I had the misfortune of having to offload much ME product last year.
The later models sold for MUCH more than upgraded older models.
>> The extra cost of the current model in this situation is often a more
>> sensible idea.
>
> **Not necessarily, but sometimes.
Doh!
>> Lastly, almost any product can be upgraded by competent technicians in
>> much the same way ME can. I believe you do that very task yourself, as
>> does Patrick Turner, and I'm sure many others. So, this is not really any
>> kind of advantage to ME, I guess the only difference here is that with ME,
>> the upgrade is being done by the manufacture, which really is neither here
>> nor there.
>>
>> In fact, I know Redgum and Electra (and I'm sure plenty others) also offer
>> upgrades to their product, so obviously the smaller boutique manufactures
>> can more easily offer this service. It would be much more difficult for
>> the more mainstream manufactures to offer this, though not impossible. But
>> more importantly it's not in their financial interest.
>>
>> Bottom line is, ME are not unique in this regard.
>
> **COMPARED TO ROTEL, IT MOST CERTAINLY IS! Pay attention. I was using Rotel
> as an example to prove that bassett is wrong. I have never denied that other
> manufacturers offer upgrades.
And Bassets Rotel can be upgraded also, perhaps not by the manufacture, though even
the most basic of techs can replace all the caps and adjust the bias.
Better techs may be able to improve on a few small things if needed.
BTW, I note you're ignoring my mention of your underhanded tactics on the SNA forum.
Why is that?
Haven't you in the past come down on a few people within the audio industry who have
come onto aus.hi-fi under an alias?
Why is it ok for you Trevor?
Sales-speak is bad on a public forum from a commercial interest. It is downright
despicable if the person hasn't declared that interest.
bassett
That's your thinking, not mine, but if that is the case please name the
two or three models that are identicial internally. I.m sure there are
people out there that are interested.
But to quote you Trevor, This thread subject pertains to ME 550 // 550-11
not Rotel.
And for some strange reason you seem to live in a mythical vacuum where
only you and ME co-exist, in a state of utopia, Both somehow supporting
each others ego's. Perhaps that's why your mate went to Coconut County, to
escape your envelope of single mindedness
>>>> But one small question,, If your ME stuff is so bloody wonderful, Why
>>>> does it need your mate with the coconut realestate, to do up-grades, I
>>>> mean if it's perfection personified, how can it be improved. Or does it
>>>> just improve the internal sections of his wallet.
>>>
>>> **Your statement is, presumably, a question. No amplifier is "perfect".
>>> Not even MEs. However, ME amps, like ALL amplifiers, is subject to the
>>> normal issues that need to be addressed periodically. Things like:
>>
>> ++++ So you publicly admit that ME are not perfect. giant steps indeed,
>> People might just take you up on that admission.
>
> **Snipping my comments to eliminatre their meaning is shabby, but
> expected. No amplifier is perfect. Not one.
I,m sure that had I snipped your valued comments, you would have quoted me
"line and verse" All I did was trim earler comments, before this thread
resembled "war and peace" in it's content. Or do you prefer to wander
from post one, through to the last post, reading all your valued offerings
again and again, just in case you contradict yourself. No surely not.
I don't consider the removal of junk wasteful, and if I can flog it off,
so much the better, What you fail to remember is , if you have owned
something for a number of years, and used it day in and day out, it ends up
owing you nothing, Be it a Sewing machine, a car or an amp. {I will not
discuss the subject of Toasters] And the reality is it's cheaper to buy
new, then upgrade something that was designed in the year dot. Simply
because regardless of what you do with it, it's still and old design and
an old model.
On the subject of Porsches, I,ve owned a 928 front engined model, which
has been discribed as the most beautiful model ever made. And it was, but
it was old, full of rust, and worth more for scrap then anything else, And
while it could have been up-graded to the latest spec's it would still have
been the old model.. It simply wasn't a viable proposition, as the costs
involved, where far in excess of what the thing was worth.
There was a bloke on "Top Gear" the other week, had a Russian Lada, They
took it away and installed a racing Cosworth engine, new suspension etc,
etc, The cost was 1000 hours and 100.000 pounds. But regardless of that it
was still a Russian Lada
>> I had a bloke round here the other week, went on about an antique
>> sideboard, So I sold it to him.
>> I only buy things I know I can sall, So please don't insult me about
>> owning thing that require updates.
>
> **Insult you? In what way? Rotel does not offer upgrades to their
> products. They'd rather you think that with a new front panel and a new
> number, that you are buying a new and improved amp. They make more money
> that way.
Which in no differant to other middle of the range products. We live in a
disposable world, just look at some of the stuff coming out of China, or
Korea these days. Trying getting parts for your Hyundai car, The costs of
computer modules is scare'y Try repairing a $35.00 DVD player. You can't
it's cheaper to throw it out and buy a new one. Just look at the life of
your average computer, 2 years IF your lucky. then you update, No-one ever
up-grades what they have, it's simply not viable.
In the bush we have things called a "Rural Transaction Centres" Which
simply put is a couple of compluters one for general use and one for
Centrelink. Where you can log your forms, or apply for benifits. The
government support them for two years, then the village shop is on there
own, as the government simly right them off, as un- economical to support.
>> I hear it all the time about people that have expencive toys, then get
>> hit by a truck, a lot of good there wealth does them.
>> It's a bit like your daily newspaper, whats todays news is tomorrows chip
>> paper
>
> **Rotel may well be like that. ME is not.
Wrong again Trevor, regardless of what we own or don't own, Death waits
for no man, And it doesn't mean shit, what your worth, when they plant
you. Your rellie's will simply piss all your valuables, beloved treasures,
and belongings up the wall.
You may well be happy to discuss Audio, But your sure as hell not
prepaireed to put your name to it..
Why is that Trevor, Why are you so insecure, that it disturbs you if
people know who you are, As for your imformative posts on the SNA nut
house, It doesn't take an Einstein, to pick your writing style. So why
not simply fess up and say, "Yes It Is Me, SO Bloody What". Or like a lot
of us, are you also a banned member. And before you ask. I have the sole
distinction of being a moderated member, they like to read what I have to
say first before the general membership are allowed to view my words of
bull-shit, just in case some of the poor loves get up-set. I even offered
to write a thousand times, "Two Sheds for President" But alas it was
unexceptable.
The sites a bit like that nice Mr ENZ site, they all suffer the same
condition, there all fucked in the head, would you not agree Trevor. And
tell me are you also considering writing words of wisdom over the ditch.
And Yes I,m banned there as well. it's all so bloody boring and
predictable. But at least my computer hasn't run out of ink yet.
bassett
keithr
Probably not, but they could get a professionally built one for considerably
less that a second hand ME
Thats your decision. The first question has to be "Has this ever worked?"
and a quick look inside should sort out whether it is dangerous or not after
all it is just few PCBs not a daggy point to point wired tube amp. I've
seen enough dangers in professional equipment to make me wary of everything
from circuits rewired by ignorant techs who thought that they knew better
than the designers to the sparky who left an unterminated 3 phase cable
under the floor of a computer room and told us it was all clear to power up
(The room lit up blue when I hit the CB, I jumped about 30 feet backward
from a standing start and the copper streak could be seen on the plenum
floor 5 years later). I have seen all sorts of commercial gear "Improved" by
the ignorant, there is no reason that home made stuff is any more dangerous
if approached properly. Whether it makes commercial sense to take on such
tasks is an individual decision, but there are enough that will.
>>> No 1% matched parts either. You could probably afford
>>>> to put in the requisite 450000uF of capacitors and still come out at
>>>> half the price.
>>>
>>> **Yep. What do you think the value of your kit amp will be on the used
>>> market? What do you think the value of an equivalent amp (a Rotel, for
>>> instance) will be?
>>
>> Who cares, if I buy an ME for 6 grand, how much will it depreciate, if it
>> is more that $500 then it is a loser compared to throwing away a $500 amp
>> in the worst case.
>
> **Let me remind you: We're discussing an amp worth 2 grand. We've
> established that the cost of building your SC amp will be around 1 grand.
> Unless, of course, you don't care what it looks like. Cosmetics cost
> money.
No we didn't, we established it to cost about $500 home built and $750
professionally built. I'd knock one together for $250, money for old rope.
As for looks, I expect that a professional looking case will be available,
they are for all the previous similar products.
Mike Coatham
<Snip>
>
> **Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS after it
> was manufactured and I'll take notice. As I was attempting to point out to
> bassett, a recent Rotel experience left me profoundly distressed at the
> direction the company is going. No service data and no parts for a product
> less than 10 years old.
>
always been recognised as being the benchmark.
Mike Coatham
<Snip>
>
> **Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS after it
> was manufactured and I'll take notice. As I was attempting to point out to
> bassett, a recent Rotel experience left me profoundly distressed at the
> direction the company is going. No service data and no parts for a product
> less than 10 years old.
>
Trevor Wilson
"Mike Coatham" <coa...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
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**Good stuff. Now, where can I send a Quad 33 and 303 for upgrading? As you
know, those old clunkers are capacitor coupled and, in the case of the 303,
quasi-complementary symmetry. All the new Quad stuff is full complementary
symmetry and direct coupled. ME offers upgraded technology for all it's
products. I assume Quad does too. Where do we send them? Or can they be done
by a competent tech, with a kit of materials from Quad?
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Trevor Wilson
"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
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**Oh, absolutely. One could buy a Sony, NAD, Rotel, Yamaha, et al, for much
less than an ME. Of course, one can always buy a Hyundai for much less than
a second hand Porsche too.
**OK. Let me remind you once more: We're discussing an ME worth around 2
grand new. Not 6 grand.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Trevor Wilson
"Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12181580...@mx2.pip.com.au...
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> "Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
>>> I have conducted seamless blind testing with a few different types of
>>> speakers, and I know their is next to no difference in sound.
>>
>> **Your opinion is duly noted. The differences between the ME550 and the
>> ME550-II is substantial.
>
>
> Your opinion of an ME salesman is also noted.
> The difference between the 550 and 550II is minimal to nothing according
> to myself and the panel of listeners (all 3 of them) who have been in
> attendance during these tests.
**Fair enough. That has not been my experience, nor the experience of the
vast majority of listeners. That does not make you wrong, just in the
minority.
> Peter has also agreed with me on this point in a few discussions many
> years ago.
**I doubt that.
>
>
>>> In fact using speakers that have a benign load, I could not determine
>>> differences between the bottom model ME (ME200) to the top model ME
>>> (ME1400).
>>
>> **Just a reminder: We're discussing the ME550 and the ME550-II. Your
>> goalpost shift is duly noted.
>
>
> I haven't shifted anything, pay attention (HAH!), I used this last point
> to illustrate the minor to no differences in an even wider range of
> amplification than the two being discussed.
> It simply highlights the closeness of the 2 amps in question.
**Let me remind you: We're discussing the differences between the ME550 and
the ME550-II. The ME200 and the ME1400 use shared technology. The ME550 does
not.
>
>
>>> Peter and I had many discussions regarding this and he always agreed
>>> that they should sound identical if benign speakers are used, as they
>>> all share the same topology.
>>
>> **The ME550 and the ME550-II do not use identical technology.
>
>
> It is essentially the same, you've admitted that yourself many times,
**Cite your proof. The basic TOPOLOGY is similar. That is the end of it. The
ME550-II is a far more advanced product, using more modern components and
exhibits far better measured figures. Distortion is less than half, damping
factor is doubled, frequency response and phase response is superior, etc.
claiming ME
> have used the same topology for over 30 years.
**Yep. However, the ME550 and ME550-II are fundamentally different amps.
Here's a very short list of some of the differences:
ME550 - 4 relatively old technology, matched output devices per channel
ME550-II - 8, modern, high speed, very low distortion, matched output
devices per channel.
ME550 - Simple front end regulation
ME550-II - Sophisticated, low noise, high speed regulation for the front end
(like the ME850, ME1400, et al)
ME550 - Inverted phase on one channel.
ME550-II - No phase inversion.
There are other differences, but the above differences represent the main
reasons why there are sonic differences between the amps.
> In any case, they are virtually sonically identical.
**In your opinion. I accept that.
>
>
>>> And ME had done the very same thing, not as frequently, though they
>>> still did it.
>>> So what?
>>
>> **Peter never hid the fact. Peter offers upgrades for old models. Few
>> other manufacturers do. Most just recycle their technology and bung it in
>> a new case. Then they call it a new model. Let's examine the ME850, for
>> instance. It was released in 1989. It is STILL in production today, with
>> the same model number. Peter could have done what most manufacturers do
>> and called it something different each year. He didn't.
>
>
> But that's neither good or bad.
**In your opinion. Long model runs preserve value for existing owners and do
not allow delusion to creep in when deciding on a new purchase.
> Whether it has a different name or not makes little difference, unless the
> claim is made to the effect that something extraordinary has happened from
> one model to the next, yet hasn't.
**In your opinion.
> Sure this happens, but not in all cases.
**It happens in most cases.
>
>
>>> He said he on-sells the product, where is that being wasteful?
>>
>> **Wasteful is disposing of something, before it has reached the end of
>> it's useful life. It is wasteful, because he loses money (in most cases).
>
>
> Utter tripe.
**Nope. Fact. He loses money.
> By that definition we would all be driving model T fords.
**Nope. Bad analogy. Model T Fords were eclipsed long ago by superior
technology.
> Everyone has a different perception of 'useful life', people are free to
> buy and sell as they choose.
**Sure.
What's wasteful to one is not to another.
**Throwing money away is wasteful. Fact.
> Bassets way is not right or wrong, and neither is your way right or wrong.
**I never said it was. I said it was wasteful.
Different
> people do different things.
**Yep.
>
>
>>> If he tossed it in the
>>> bin, that would be wasteful.
>>
>> **Spending money unwisely is wasteful too.
>
>
> Sure, but who determines what's unwise in bassets case?. Certainly not you
> or I.
**Spending money unwisely is wasteful.
>
>
>>>> Thanks to the superior back up from the manufacturer and the assurance
>>>> that upgrades will be available for all products.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with you on this Trevor. In the 10 or so years we dealt
>>> with ME, the back up was good, though not superior (superior to what
>>> anyway?). The back up is 'average to above average', however it is not
>>> the best we have dealt with.
>>
>> **Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS after
>> it was manufactured and I'll take notice.
>
>
> I'm sure their are a handful around,
**Name them.
Duntech and Krix spring to mind.
**Has either company been around for 30 years? Are all their old models
supported? Will Krix update their 30 year old products with the latest
drivers?
I'm certain
> that Redgum and Electra will do the same when their businesses reach a
> ripe old age.
**Let's see what happens when they hit the 30 year point. Until then, you're
guessing.
> You fail to acknowledge that most hi-fi manufactures have not been around
> that long and the ones that have, have changed owners several times.
**Rotel has. In fact, Rotel has been around a lot longer than 30 years. And
just to remind you: Rotel is the example I placed before bassett.
> I hope I'm around to service my product in 30 years, I'm just past 1/2
> way.
**As you should.
>
> ME had the same owner for it's entire life, Peter mostly did the right
> thing by his customers, and continues to do so.
> That's great, however it's just one aspect of what constitutes good back
> up support.
**Just a reminder. We're discussing how Rotel have deserted their clients
and how bassett has not listened to an ME550-II, but has only heard an
ME550.
>
> Things such as readily available local service agents, workshop manual
> availability, speed of servicing, etc, are all also important.
**Indeed.
> Whilst their are plenty of people totally satisfied with ME support, their
> are also many people who are very very dissatisfied, some frequent this
> newsgroup.
**Sure. Bassett being one. Of course, bassett has never owned an ME amp.
>
>
>> As I was attempting to point out to bassett, a recent Rotel experience
>> left me profoundly distressed at the direction the company is going. No
>> service data and no parts for a product less than 10 years old.
>
>
> Yep, bad. What can I say.
> I can also provide a few examples of ME service problems in the 10 years I
> dealt with them. I won't, and you shouldn't, because we sell other brands
> and can't remain impartial. You're allowing your commercial biases to
> cloud your judgement as any salesman does.
**Again, your opinion. You are entitled to it. I am, however, merely citing
facts at present. Bassett has NOT listened to an ME550-II. He has listened
to an ME550. That is a fact. Rotel do not supply certain service
information, nor spare parts for some of their relatively recent models.
Fact.
>
>
>>> The entire upgrade process is not quite picture you paint it to be
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Firstly, much of the product can't be upgraded to exact current
>>> specification, so you don't quite end up with a current model, although
>>> it is refurbished and has some benefits of the current item.
>>
>> **Wrong. Anything can be done, if the client wishes it.
>
>
> Can you fit a 2.5kva toroidal in a steel case 850 to bring it to current
> spec?
**ANYTHING can be done, if the client wishes it done. It would not be a
particularly cost effective job, but I can update an ME850 is such a way. It
would, of course, require a new chassis.
> Can you fit the current audio modules in an original control pre-amp?
**Easily. I've done so many, many times.
> There's more.
**Yeah, sure.
> Once again, I don't see this as a problem anyway, upgrading is just
> sometimes not practical, though I'm just using these examples to show you
> that some things simply can not be done, contrary to what you believe.
**Examples that are wrong, are not examples.
>
>
>>> Secondly, the cost of some of these upgrades is quite high,
>>
>> **"High" is a relative term. The last preamp upgrade elevated the ME
>> preamps to level where not even products like the Mark Levinson 380S
>> could surpass. For $800.00, that represents stunning value. Looking at it
>> from another perspective, a client spent (say) $1,000.00 on an ME25 in
>> 1983. In 2000, he upgraded that preamp. Cost - $800.00. As an accountant,
>> he figured that the written-down value of the preamp was zero. For less
>> than the cost of his preamp when new, he had a world-class preamp. He is
>> a happy camper. True story.
>
>
> I'm sure it is, I did many of these upgrades myself.
> But you're again using sales-speak to prove your point.
**No. I'm using facts to prove a point.
> My point was merely to show that SOME of these upgrades are quite high in
> price and do not make economical sense.
**Which ones? I note you neglect to mention some of the more modestly priced
upgrades, which provided substantial benefit for very reasonable cost.
>
>
>>> and at the end of the day
>>> you are still left with an old product which has far less value than the
>>> equivalent current model.
>>
>> **"Far less" is a relative term. Somewhat less might be more accurate.
>
>
> Nope, far less, I had the misfortune of having to offload much ME product
> last year.
> The later models sold for MUCH more than upgraded older models.
**Duh.
>
>
>>> The extra cost of the current model in this situation is often a more
>>> sensible idea.
>>
>> **Not necessarily, but sometimes.
>
>
> Doh!
>
>
>>> Lastly, almost any product can be upgraded by competent technicians in
>>> much the same way ME can. I believe you do that very task yourself, as
>>> does Patrick Turner, and I'm sure many others. So, this is not really
>>> any kind of advantage to ME, I guess the only difference here is that
>>> with ME, the upgrade is being done by the manufacture, which really is
>>> neither here nor there.
>>>
>>> In fact, I know Redgum and Electra (and I'm sure plenty others) also
>>> offer upgrades to their product, so obviously the smaller boutique
>>> manufactures can more easily offer this service. It would be much more
>>> difficult for the more mainstream manufactures to offer this, though not
>>> impossible. But more importantly it's not in their financial interest.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is, ME are not unique in this regard.
>>
>> **COMPARED TO ROTEL, IT MOST CERTAINLY IS! Pay attention. I was using
>> Rotel as an example to prove that bassett is wrong. I have never denied
>> that other manufacturers offer upgrades.
>
>
> And Bassets Rotel can be upgraded also,
**The manufacturer offers no such upgrades. The manufacturer expects it's
customers to buy new product. Just like the vast majority of manufacturers.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Rick Stadelmaier
Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> Your opinion of an ME salesman is also noted.
>> The difference between the 550 and 550II is minimal to nothing according
>> to myself and the panel of listeners (all 3 of them) who have been in
>> attendance during these tests.
>
> **Fair enough. That has not been my experience, nor the experience of the
> vast majority of listeners. That does not make you wrong, just in the
> minority.
We'll have agree to disagree on this one Trev, I know and have seen otherwise.
>> Peter has also agreed with me on this point in a few discussions many
>> years ago.
>
> **I doubt that.
I can recall at least 2 conversations maybe 6-7 years ago regarding this topic.
Peter was in agreement with my observations and even stated that the 550 had one or
two technical advantages over the 550II. From memory they were input impedance and
cooling
I don't lie, and my memory ain't gone yet, so doubt what you will.
>> I haven't shifted anything, pay attention (HAH!), I used this last point
>> to illustrate the minor to no differences in an even wider range of
>> amplification than the two being discussed.
>> It simply highlights the closeness of the 2 amps in question.
>
> **Let me remind you: We're discussing the differences between the ME550 and
> the ME550-II. The ME200 and the ME1400 use shared technology. The ME550 does
> not.
Close enough to be not be of any audible difference with 90% of speakers.
And I need to be reminded of nothing, I know exactly what this conversation is about
and I will use whatever examples needed illustrate my point.
>> It is essentially the same, you've admitted that yourself many times,
>
> **Cite your proof. The basic TOPOLOGY is similar. That is the end of it. The
> ME550-II is a far more advanced product, using more modern components and
> exhibits far better measured figures. Distortion is less than half, damping
> factor is doubled, frequency response and phase response is superior, etc.
All measurements which were already well below the threshold of audibility.
<snip a pile of sales stuff>
> There are other differences, but the above differences represent the main
> reasons why there are sonic differences between the amps.
They represent refinement in what is essentially the same amplifier, which is capable
of very slightly superior performance into some speakers, though the same sonic
performance into 90% of speakers.
We'll agree to disagree on this too.
>>>> He said he on-sells the product, where is that being wasteful?
>>> **Wasteful is disposing of something, before it has reached the end of
>>> it's useful life. It is wasteful, because he loses money (in most cases).
>>
>> Utter tripe.
>
> **Nope. Fact. He loses money.
In your opinion. He loses money, however he also has the privilege of owning the
latest. That in it self may be worth it to him.
Once again, not everyone thinks like you.
>> By that definition we would all be driving model T fords.
>
> **Nope. Bad analogy. Model T Fords were eclipsed long ago by superior
> technology.
Yeh, I probably went a little far back with the model T, but I thought you'd have
realised the sarcasm in it. Obviously not.
In any case, when is something at the end of it's useful life, how long is a piece of
string?
Some people throw away lawn mowers when the spark plug is dirty/fouled.
Others throw them away after 25 spark plugs, 3 engines, 4 sets of wheels, and finally
when the chassis breaks in half due to rust.
'End of useful life' has different meanings for different people.
>> Everyone has a different perception of 'useful life', people are free to
>> buy and sell as they choose.
>
> **Sure.
>
> What's wasteful to one is not to another.
>
> **Throwing money away is wasteful. Fact.
Yep, but who determines what exactly is 'throwing money away'?
I know it's not me, and we've just determined that we don't all think alike.
So what exactly is wasteful?
>> Bassets way is not right or wrong, and neither is your way right or wrong.
>
> **I never said it was. I said it was wasteful.
But you don't get to decide what is wasteful for Basset, as it's just your opinion,
only he can decide whether it is or not.
>> Sure, but who determines what's unwise in bassets case?. Certainly not you
>> or I.
>
> **Spending money unwisely is wasteful.
Re-read the question. "Who determines WHAT'S UNWISE in bassets case?".
You and I aren't qualified to answer.
Basset is free to do whatever he feels is wise.
> Duntech and Krix spring to mind.
>
> **Has either company been around for 30 years?
According to the Krix website, it all began in 1974.
I recall Duntech being around at least as far back as 1978.
> Are all their old models
> supported? Will Krix update their 30 year old products with the latest
> drivers?
I don't know, I'm confident they would.
Why don't you ask them, considering you're insinuating that ME are the only company
that does.
> I'm certain
>> that Redgum and Electra will do the same when their businesses reach a
>> ripe old age.
>
> **Let's see what happens when they hit the 30 year point. Until then, you're
> guessing.
Yep, just like you.
Difference is, you like to guess they won't, as it gives you sales leverage.
>> ME had the same owner for it's entire life, Peter mostly did the right
>> thing by his customers, and continues to do so.
>> That's great, however it's just one aspect of what constitutes good back
>> up support.
>
> **Just a reminder. We're discussing how Rotel have deserted their clients
> and how bassett has not listened to an ME550-II, but has only heard an
> ME550.
You are discussing whatever suits your agenda.
>> Whilst their are plenty of people totally satisfied with ME support, their
>> are also many people who are very very dissatisfied, some frequent this
>> newsgroup.
>
> **Sure. Bassett being one. Of course, bassett has never owned an ME amp.
How can Basset be one of them, as you just mentioned he doesn't own one.
I know of at least 8 other people who have used this newsgroup who would not purchase
ME again due to the after sales support.
More than that many again aside from this group had made contact with myself over the
years regarding your after sales support. At least half of them would not purchase ME
again, even after the problems were sorted.
Peter and I had many discussions about this one.
>> Yep, bad. What can I say.
>> I can also provide a few examples of ME service problems in the 10 years I
>> dealt with them. I won't, and you shouldn't, because we sell other brands
>> and can't remain impartial. You're allowing your commercial biases to
>> cloud your judgement as any salesman does.
>
> **Again, your opinion. You are entitled to it.
So you feel it's ok for you, as a commercial interest, to use your technician stance
as an opinion to influence the public, which has the potential to earn you income?
Considering the amount of flak you've absorbed over the years here, I don't think I'm
alone on this.
You have proven in the past to use any angle possible to draw ME into a discussion.
And now you're doing it on a public forum which requires a commercial interest to
declare that interest in the T&C.
> I am, however, merely citing
> facts at present. Bassett has NOT listened to an ME550-II. He has listened
> to an ME550. That is a fact. Rotel do not supply certain service
> information, nor spare parts for some of their relatively recent models.
> Fact.
Facts or not, it's not your position to state them. You're a salesguy using public
forums for income.
>> Can you fit a 2.5kva toroidal in a steel case 850 to bring it to current
>> spec?
>
> **ANYTHING can be done, if the client wishes it done. It would not be a
> particularly cost effective job, but I can update an ME850 is such a way. It
> would, of course, require a new chassis.
In other words, you can't do it.
Re-read my question carefully.
>> Can you fit the current audio modules in an original control pre-amp?
>
> **Easily. I've done so many, many times.
Nope, they don't fit, the chassis isn't deep enough.
>> There's more.
>
> **Yeah, sure.
Why would I lie about it? Peter knows the upgrade limitations, I know the upgrade
limitations, I would have expected you do to.
>> Once again, I don't see this as a problem anyway, upgrading is just
>> sometimes not practical, though I'm just using these examples to show you
>> that some things simply can not be done, contrary to what you believe.
>
> **Examples that are wrong, are not examples.
They're only wrong in your eyes Trevor because they don't fit your agenda.
>> I'm sure it is, I did many of these upgrades myself.
>> But you're again using sales-speak to prove your point.
>
> **No. I'm using facts to prove a point.
No, you're using sales-speak to suit your agenda.
>> My point was merely to show that SOME of these upgrades are quite high in
>> price and do not make economical sense.
>
> **Which ones? I note you neglect to mention some of the more modestly priced
> upgrades, which provided substantial benefit for very reasonable cost.
Why do I need to mention these? I know, and acknowledged that many of the upgrades
are a good thing.
MY point was to show you that not ALL upgrades are sensible and/or economical.
>> And Bassets Rotel can be upgraded also,
>
> **The manufacturer offers no such upgrades. The manufacturer expects it's
> customers to buy new product. Just like the vast majority of manufacturers.
But it doesn't matter what the manufacture wants. What matters is what the customer
wants and what they may be told by a tech.
Most product can be upgraded in much the same manner ME can.
Look Trevor, you and I both know what this is really about. Everyone that has used
this group for the last 10 years knows what this is about.
It's about you using this group as your soapbox to generate income. Nothing more.
This is a public news group, it's use is intended for like minded audiophiles to
discuss audio. It is not intended for commercial interests to blow their trumpets for
potential sales.
I don't have a problem with ME, I would still be dealing with the brand if it weren't
for the falling out Peter and I had in 2006. ME once made fine amplification, I sold
them, and I stood behind them. I still do to a degree.
Naturally my main interests lie elsewhere now, though I still recognise ME's
strengths. I also now more readily recognise the weaknesses. Yep, every brand has them.
But, you need to stop using this newsgroup for your own financial gain, regardless of
how strongly you feel about your views, and whether what you say is fact or not.
At the end of the day, it is still sales talk, and it doesn't belong on a public
forum. It is unethical, and is just downright dirty tactics.
Use your website, use magazine ads, use the telephone, use email, but don't bring it
here or on any other public forum.
Use some basic common decency.
Doug Flynn
You can add SME to that list. I needed a spare part for an ancient 3012
tonearm from the 1960s, and they sent it FREE via airmail from the UK.
Jolly nice chaps.....
bassett
sense, So we all must assume that everything I wrote was correct.
And Yes TW you are correct I have never owned any ME product, but I
know plenty of people that have, and over time I have heard most of the
models, played by happy and frustrated owners alike. The big problem is,
some people invest vast amounts of cash in these products, and there ego
will not allow them to say they have bought
something that does not do the job. So in fear of investing more money on a
sunken ship, the things simply sit in the rack, un'used.
As for upgrades, There simply a licence to make money. Regardless of what
the product is. Over time the things we own, pay for themselves, houses,
cars, Hi-Fi, and to simply spend more cash, makes the things, uneconomical,
to the point where the investmant can't be reclaimed, or the further expence
justified. So it makes economic sence to ether give it away or scrap it.
And start the cycle over again and buy another modern designed product.
It's not wasteful, it's what makes some business's economically viable. I do
know of cases where blokes up-grade there woman, that's called devorce.
And like any upgrade, it's expencive, time consuming, and does not guarantee
a better performing model.
Or we go the other way, and as demonstrated by RS, we develope the
"lawnmower" syndrome, and repair, repair, repair. Throwing good money after
bad.
I also note that TW has still failed to answer the question about his posts
on SNA, and ether ignores the question, or simply sidesteps it by referring
to me and what he KNOWS I've heard, seen, or owned. And the problem is,
while he might consider himself a fast talker, So are a lot of other people.
And it is of constant wonderment what he would talk about, had ME been
non-existant.
bassett,
non-ME-owner
Mike Coatham
Nice try, but shifting the goalposts part way through the discussion isn't
helpful.
You specifically asked for example/s of another manufacturer who supports
their product and you got that. Nowhere did you state that UPGRADES were a
requirement.
However, we all know that a Quad 33 or 303 can easily be brought back to as
new condition by simple refurbishment. Any technician worthy of the name,
using locally sourced bog standard parts, could do this AND the service
data is readily available to enable this to be done.
There are a number of outfits offering 'upgrades' to earlier Quad stuff (a
Google search will find them) but I have no personal experience of these
so can't comment on what the end result is like.
Quad don't offer upgrades per se other than by releasing newer models.
Trevor Wilson
"Mike Coatham" <coa...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> "Mike Coatham" <coa...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:g7h6l9$oqb$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> <Snip>
>>>> **Find another manufacturer who supports their product THIRTY YEARS
>>>> after it was manufactured and I'll take notice. As I was attempting to
>>>> point out to bassett, a recent Rotel experience left me profoundly
>>>> distressed at the direction the company is going. No service data and
>>>> no parts for a product less than 10 years old.
>>>>
>>> That's easy to answer - Quad. The standard for service & support has
>>> always been recognised as being the benchmark.
>>
>> **Good stuff. Now, where can I send a Quad 33 and 303 for upgrading? As
>> you know, those old clunkers are capacitor coupled and, in the case of
>> the 303, quasi-complementary symmetry. All the new Quad stuff is full
>> complementary symmetry and direct coupled. ME offers upgraded technology
>> for all it's products. I assume Quad does too. Where do we send them? Or
>> can they be done by a competent tech, with a kit of materials from Quad?
>
> Nice try, but shifting the goalposts part way through the discussion isn't
> helpful.
**Read the thread. We're discussing ME's philosophy of keeping customers up
to date with their products.
> You specifically asked for example/s of another manufacturer who supports
> their product and you got that. Nowhere did you state that UPGRADES were a
> requirement.
**Upgrades are part of the support. I take it that Quad does not provide
upgrades? They require the owners to purchase new products. BTW: When I
tried to buy a new volume pot for a Quad 33 about 10 years ago, I was told
that it was NLA.
> However, we all know that a Quad 33 or 303 can easily be brought back to
> as new condition by simple refurbishment.
**It's a shame I could not obtain a volume pot from Quad 10 years ago. As
you may know, volume pots are a weak point of any preamp.
Any technician worthy of the name,
> using locally sourced bog standard parts, could do this AND the service
> data is readily available to enable this to be done.
**Indeed. I had to fit a third party pot and a separate switch.
> There are a number of outfits offering 'upgrades' to earlier Quad stuff (a
> Google search will find them) but I have no personal experience of these
> so can't comment on what the end result is like.
> Quad don't offer upgrades per se other than by releasing newer models.
**Of course. Upgrades are not very profitable. They do, however, represent
excellent value for consumers.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Chris Mulhall
'Modular Electronics'.
A lot of the upgrades are completed by simply removing a module, such as a
power supply PCB in a preamp, and replacing it with an updated model.
My neighbour sent Peter Stein a photo of his ME24 pre amp a month ago, Peter
emailed him back a list of upgrades. My neighbour then sent him his pre via
paid post and it was back in his system, two weeks later, sounding better
than ever.
A lot cheaper than buying a whole new pre amp!
Cheers Chris...news:6g7bm6F...@mid.individual.net...
Chris Mulhall
Cheers Chris...
Mike Coatham
Really! Yet I've been buying them (direct from Quad UK) on a regular basis
for the last 20 years - the part number is 33VOLA and is still available
today.The only thing that has changed is the original pot is NLA but they
supply a Piher control of different construction which is a direct
electrical replacement.The replacement control (includes on/off switching)
has been available since 1992. I can e-mail you the Quad Tech. Bulletin
dated 24/4/92 which covers this if you want. The same bulletin is provided
with each & every replacement control sold to ensure whoever buys it gets
the fitting instructions.
>
> Any technician worthy of the name,
>> using locally sourced bog standard parts, could do this AND the service
>> data is readily available to enable this to be done.
>
> **Indeed. I had to fit a third party pot and a separate switch.
Not necessary of course with the Quad supplied replacement.
TT
> The same bulletin is provided with each & every replacement control sold
> to ensure whoever buys it gets the fitting instructions.
In Chinese? :-)) Or is it Chinglish ;-)
Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
Cheers TT
bassett
>I think all the KNOCKERS have missed one big point, it's in the name 'ME"
>ie 'Modular Electronics'.
> A lot of the upgrades are completed by simply removing a module, such as a
> power supply PCB in a preamp, and replacing it with an updated model.
> My neighbour sent Peter Stein a photo of his ME24 pre amp a month ago,
> Peter emailed him back a list of upgrades. My neighbour then sent him his
> pre via paid post and it was back in his system, two weeks later, sounding
> better than ever.
> A lot cheaper than buying a whole new pre amp!
> Cheers Chris...
>
Now add the original cost, plus the upgrade cost, plus the freight costs
all together, and that's what his vintage pre-amp has cost him.
And you still think you got a good deal. I noticed you forgot to inform us
of the cost involved. funny that.
Did he offer a warranty on the up-grade, now we will get TW on here with
more sound [sic] advise, on how much better off your mate is, and how
nothing compares for price and service. that's if he's not to busy writing
highly technical advice for his new little band of disciples on SNA.
bassett
bassett
> The unit is now on Ebay, with pics and a low reserve...
> Cheers Chris...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ME-550II-Hi-Cap-Power-Amplifier-in-excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ230280012357QQihZ013QQcategoryZ109835QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
salesman friend, Wilson informs us there worth about $1600. So we all wait
with baited breath, to see if you attract a bid.
Six days and 14 hours and counting
bassett
bassett
>> **Upgrades are part of the support. I take it that Quad does not provide
>> upgrades? They require the owners to purchase new products. BTW: When I
>> tried to buy a new volume pot for a Quad 33 about 10 years ago, I was
>> told that it was NLA.
>>
>>> However, we all know that a Quad 33 or 303 can easily be brought back to
>>> as new condition by simple refurbishment.
>>
>> **It's a shame I could not obtain a volume pot from Quad 10 years ago. As
>> you may know, volume pots are a weak point of any preamp.
>
> Really! Yet I've been buying them (direct from Quad UK) on a regular
> basis for the last 20 years - the part number is 33VOLA and is still
> available today.The only thing that has changed is the original pot is NLA
> but they supply a Piher control of different construction which is a
> direct electrical replacement.The replacement control (includes on/off
> switching) has been available since 1992. I can e-mail you the Quad Tech.
> Bulletin dated 24/4/92 which covers this if you want. The same bulletin is
> provided with each & every replacement control sold to ensure whoever buys
> it gets the fitting instructions.
>>
>> Any technician worthy of the name,
>>> using locally sourced bog standard parts, could do this AND the service
>>> data is readily available to enable this to be done.
>>
>> **Indeed. I had to fit a third party pot and a separate switch.
>
> Not necessary of course with the Quad supplied replacement.
You probable paid the account on time , unlike Wilson
GD
upgrade cost me $691 total posted there and back . Before the upgrade I
auditioned A NAD Preamp $3500 , Primare preamp also $3500 and doesn't equal
the ME25 now with the upgrade . So I payed $700 for the 2nd hand ME25 and
with the upgrade $1391 . To me that's cheap for the sound quality I'm
getting now .. After all that's what I'm after is the sound quality , not
how pretty it looks or how new it is ... How about recommending a preamp
that you've audition and found it to be better instead ..
Bassett I really don't know why your letting this get to you , if you
don't like the sound of ME why have such a strong view about it. I don't
like many other brands either but I don't knock it down , I just go for what
my ears like .. Everyone has different preferences , what might sound great
to one person might sound like crap to another , that's why we have choices
..
Cheers ..
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson
"Mike Coatham" <coa...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
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**Yes, really. In those days, I relied on the importer to supply parts. They
informed me that the product was no longer supported.
Yet I've been buying them (direct from Quad UK) on a regular basis
> for the last 20 years - the part number is 33VOLA and is still available
> today.The only thing that has changed is the original pot is NLA but they
> supply a Piher control of different construction which is a direct
> electrical replacement.The replacement control (includes on/off switching)
> has been available since 1992. I can e-mail you the Quad Tech. Bulletin
> dated 24/4/92 which covers this if you want. The same bulletin is provided
> with each & every replacement control sold to ensure whoever buys it gets
> the fitting instructions.
**Good to know that Quad is better than their Australian distributors
(were). Thanks for the info. If I get another 33 in for service, I will
bypass the local guys.
>>
>> Any technician worthy of the name,
>>> using locally sourced bog standard parts, could do this AND the service
>>> data is readily available to enable this to be done.
>>
>> **Indeed. I had to fit a third party pot and a separate switch.
>
> Not necessary of course with the Quad supplied replacement.
**Like I said: That was not what I was told by the Australian distributors.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Mike Coatham
>
>
> **Yes, really. In those days, I relied on the importer to supply parts. They
> informed me that the product was no longer supported.
>
> Yet I've been buying them (direct from Quad UK) on a regular basis
>> for the last 20 years - the part number is 33VOLA and is still available
>> today.The only thing that has changed is the original pot is NLA but they
>> supply a Piher control of different construction which is a direct
>> electrical replacement.The replacement control (includes on/off switching)
>> has been available since 1992. I can e-mail you the Quad Tech. Bulletin
>> dated 24/4/92 which covers this if you want. The same bulletin is provided
>> with each & every replacement control sold to ensure whoever buys it gets
>> the fitting instructions.
>
> **Good to know that Quad is better than their Australian distributors
> (were). Thanks for the info. If I get another 33 in for service, I will
> bypass the local guys.
Good idea ....better to deal with the organ grinder, not the monkey :)
33-45
> But, you need to stop using this newsgroup for your own financial gain,
> regardless of how strongly you feel about your views, and whether what
> you say is fact or not.
> At the end of the day, it is still sales talk, and it doesn't belong on
> a public forum. It is unethical, and is just downright dirty tactics.
>
> Use your website, use magazine ads, use the telephone, use email, but
> don't bring it here or on any other public forum.
>
> Use some basic common decency.
>
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
Sydney, Australia
Can anyone else see a touch of hypocrisy in this post........?
bassett
"GD" <NOSPAMga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I guess I can answer that question , the ME25 preamp power supply
> upgrade cost me $691 total posted there and back . Before the upgrade I
> auditioned A NAD Preamp $3500 , Primare preamp also $3500 and doesn't
> equal the ME25 now with the upgrade . So I payed $700 for the 2nd hand
> ME25 and with the upgrade $1391 . To me that's cheap for the sound quality
> I'm getting now .. After all that's what I'm after is the sound quality ,
> not how pretty it looks or how new it is ... How about recommending a
> preamp that you've audition and found it to be better instead ..
>
> Cheers ..
Pre-amp's are not something mysticial and magic. And I,ve yet to see one,
where upgrading the power supply constitutes an improvement in sound.
may-be it does, or may-be you think it does.
As for what's available, What's better, and what's good value. A 5 second
search on the net found me these, Take your pick,
Audio Note Audio Note M2 Line - Tube Linel level Preamp Demonstrator
Stock $3,799.00 $2,499.00
Audiolab Audiolab 8000 Q Demonstrator Stock $1,799.00 $1,099.00
Classe audio Classe Audio CP35 Trade In $1,999.00
Classe Audio Classe Audio CP47.5 Pre- Amplifier Trade In $2699.00
Classé Audio Classse Audio SIX Preamplifier Trade In $4,499.00
Gryphon Gryphon Line Preamp Trade In $2,500.00
Kebschull Kebschull, Pre-Amplifier Trade In $1999.00
Krell Krell KAV-280P Stereo PreAmp Brand New $4995.00 $2,999.00
Myryad Myryad MXP2000 Stereo Pre-Aplifier Brand New $2,499.00
$1199.00
Paragon Paragon Pre-Amplifier Trade In $4999.00
YBA
YBA Passion 400 Pre Amplifier Trade In $4,500.00
> Bassett I really don't know why your letting this get to you , if you
> don't like the sound of ME why have such a strong view about it. I don't
> like many other brands either but I don't knock it down , I just go for
> what my ears like .. Everyone has different preferences , what might sound
> great to one person might sound like crap to another , that's why we have
> choices
Firstly nothing ever gets to me, I don't object to ME, or the way he
distroyed his business, He might be a top grade technician, for all I know,
but it's hardly my fault he's a lousy businessman. The problem is the
parasites that seem to have gathered round him and constantly trade off his
reputation. With there constant promotion, over years I might add, of
mythicial non-existant products, promisees of new lines, new production
runs. When really these fast talking people would be hard pushed running a
used car yard. Have withdrawn there advertising, and have derelict
websites. next thing you know, they will be repairing "toasters" to pay the
rent.
bassett
keithr
I don't know how people have the gall to charge prices like these for a
pre-amp. In a world where you can buy a laptop for $1000 or less or a 100cm+
plasma or LCD TV for less than $2000 how does anybody justify charging so
much for so little?
Keith
APR
> The unit is now on Ebay, with pics and a low reserve...
> Cheers Chris...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ME-550II-Hi-Cap-Power-Amplifier-in-excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ230280012357QQihZ013QQcategoryZ109835QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
sunlight (a cloudy day), if you want to show the item off to it's best. Use
of the flash invariably leads to reflections on the facia and poor visible
detail.
TT
> next thing you know, they will be repairing "toasters" to
> pay the rent.
>
> bassett
BTW
Cheers TT :-))
GD
Mystical . It was a major difference in sound , Bass extension is
farnominal now , midrange sounds more analog then I've ever heard before ..
It's no use going back and fort with you as it's a waste of time . I'm not
trying to convert you to ME but to just say you can have a great sounding
system on the cheap ..
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
news:489fa2e2$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Pre-amp's are not something mysticial and magic. And I,ve yet to see one,
> where upgrading the power supply constitutes an improvement in sound.
> may-be it does, or may-be you think it does.
>
> As for what's available, What's better, and what's good value. A 5
> second search on the net found me these, Take your pick,
> Audio Note Audio Note M2 Line - Tube Linel level Preamp Demonstrator
> Stock $3,799.00 $2,499.00
>
> Audiolab Audiolab 8000 Q Demonstrator Stock $1,799.00 $1,099.00
>
> Classe audio Classe Audio CP35 Trade In $1,999.00
>
> Classe Audio Classe Audio CP47.5 Pre- Amplifier Trade In $2699.00
>
> Classé Audio Classse Audio SIX Preamplifier Trade In $4,499.00
>
> Gryphon Gryphon Line Preamp Trade In $2,500.00
>
> Kebschull Kebschull, Pre-Amplifier Trade In $1999.00
> Krell Krell KAV-280P Stereo PreAmp Brand New $4995.00 $2,999.00
>
>
> Myryad Myryad MXP2000 Stereo Pre-Aplifier Brand New $2,499.00
> $1199.00
> Paragon Paragon Pre-Amplifier Trade In $4999.00
>
> YBA
> YBA Passion 400 Pre Amplifier Trade In $4,500.00
Firstly nothing ever gets to me, I don't object to ME, or the way he
> distroyed his business, He might be a top grade technician, for all I
> know, but it's hardly my fault he's a lousy businessman. The problem is
> the parasites that seem to have gathered round him and constantly trade
> off his reputation. With there constant promotion, over years I might
> add, of mythicial non-existant products, promisees of new lines, new
> production runs. When really these fast talking people would be hard
> pushed running a used car yard. Have withdrawn there advertising, and
> have derelict
> websites. next thing you know, they will be repairing "toasters" to pay
> the rent.
>
> bassett
If it didn't get to you , you wouldn't have such a strong view over nothing
here really . You don't own or want to own anything ME and that's fine ,
your preference is different . Well you know how divorce works , the other
half gets half even though she probably didn't know a thing about the
business except for the cash coming in ...
As long as Peter has a heart beat I'll be keeping my ME gear .. Oh by the
way don't recommended anything if you haven't listen or owned it yourself ,
I doubt the big list you had here you actually auditioned at any great
length .. Anyone can go on the net and produce a list but doesn't help
anyone with a good recommendation ..
GD ...
>
bassett
your pre-amp is wonderful , now you've ha a full service and oil change.
You asked what could be had for the cost of your Pre-amp with a combined
cost of the price you paid plus the up-grade costs. I simply supplied a list
of what was available, I did not state I had
reviewed or heard them. I also did not say I hadn't. But different
combinations of Pre, power, CD or TT and speakers will always give a
different result, and while something might sound OK, with one set of
components it might also sound bloody lousy with another. And that is not
to say it is lousy, just that the balance may not be correct. So to ask
for something, that is equivalent to what you have, as it performs OK with
the rest of your kit. is a complete impossibility.
But I would suggest you say your preyers every night , cos if your mate in
Coconut County, suddenly cark's it, you and everyone else with any ME
gear is up shit creek, when it comes to repairs. That is the problem with
one man bands, loose the drummer and the hole bands fucked.
bassett
bassett
> cost of the price you paid plus the up-grade costs. I simply supplied a
> list of what was available, I did not state I had
> reviewed or heard them. I also did not say I hadn't. But different
> combinations of Pre, power, CD or TT and speakers will always give a
> different result, and while something might sound OK, with one set of
> components it might also sound bloody lousy with another. And that is not
> to say it is lousy, just that the balance may not be correct. So to ask
> for something, that is equivalent to what you have, as it performs OK
> with the rest of your kit. is a complete impossibility.
> But I would suggest you say your preyers every night , cos if your mate
> in Coconut County, suddenly cark's it, you and everyone else with any ME
> gear is up shit creek, when it comes to repairs. That is the problem with
> one man bands, loose the drummer and the hole bands fucked.
>
> bassett
Forgot the thing about Divorce. That can work one of two ways, Her
indoors gets the lot, and you end up
out on your arse with bugger all, or she gets what she can find, and you
get the lions share. I've been there a couple of times and came out with
everything the bloody divorce courts couldn't find.
There's no point in allowing your self to get screwed, and rolling over to
show what a good bloke you are, then waking up and finding you own jack
shit. When you can stash it all away, and find it after the shit fight is
over. I hear it all the time, "we might be divorced, but we're still good
friends" She's living in the lap of luxury, with someone else giving her
one, and your renting a room somewhere, and paying for her pleasure.
And lets face it, if it wasn't for what there sitting on, They would be
stacked ten high at the local tip.
And talking of useless objects where's Wilson fucked off too. or has the
place simply got too hot for him. Sounds about right, devoid of testicular
fortitude. Or he's getting instructions about repairing toasters.
Perhaps we can tempt him out with some "Coon" cheese
bassett
TT
> But I would suggest you say your preyers every night , cos if your mate
> in Coconut County, suddenly cark's it, you and everyone else with any ME
> gear is up shit creek, when it comes to repairs. That is the problem with
> one man bands, loose the drummer and the hole bands fucked.
>
> bassett
>
other owners) have repeatedly asked for a set of schematics and part numbers
for the gear I own. BTW I have of course offered to pay any reasonable cost
involved and to sign any non-disclosure documents if required.
If only to avoid any further freight costs from WA to FNQ :-(
Cheers TT (Happyish ME850/24/RIAA owner)
PS and to top it off I now have on my ME24 a source selector switch starting
to play up that is still under the 5 year warranty :-(
Trevor Wilson
"Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all, see below......
>
>>> Can you fit the current audio modules in an original control pre-amp?
>>
>> **Easily. I've done so many, many times.
>
>
> Nope, they don't fit, the chassis isn't deep enough.
**Incorrect.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
bassett
So that's it, is it a highly technical, thoroughly researched, one word
answer. O' how the mighty fall and crumble, when faced with simply logic
and truth .
Mean while back in the toaster workshop, something stirred into life, as
they compiled a shopping list for WES.
bassett
TT
> stirred into life, as they compiled a shopping list for
> WES.
>
>
> bassett
>
Cheers TT :-))
roughplanet
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"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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>> But I would suggest you say your preyers every night , cos if your mate
>> in Coconut County, suddenly cark's it, you and everyone else with any
>> ME gear is up shit creek, when it comes to repairs. That is the problem
>> with one man bands, loose the drummer and the hole bands fucked.
> Without it seeming like I am flogging a dead horse here that is why I (and
> other owners) have repeatedly asked for a set of schematics and part
> numbers for the gear I own. BTW I have of course offered to pay any
> reasonable cost involved and to sign any non-disclosure documents if
> required.
> If only to avoid any further freight costs from WA to FNQ :-(
>
> Cheers TT (Happyish ME850/24/RIAA owner)
>
> PS and to top it off I now have on my ME24 a source selector switch
> starting to play up that is still under the 5 year warranty :-(
I sit here, shaking my head & reading through the numerous emails in which I
advised you & others NOT to buy ME equipment. Some of them are 6 years old,
but ALL of them list the same, sad reason, vis. you cannot get it repaired
anywhere other than by ME (or, as eventually came to light, Rage Audio in
Sydney), and please TW, don't make a bigger fool of yourself than you
already have by telling people on one hand that all they need to do is to
send the appropriate module to Peter Stein c/- Coconut Villa, Cairns, FNQ
and then in the next sentence, tell how not just anyone can repair these
units due to a veritable barrage of difficulties including the 'matched
item' story, and therefore, if they are that difficult to work on, the
average owner would have little or no hope of identifying the troublesome
module, much less removing it & sending it anywhere!
ME are like any other audio item; whilst they are working properly they are
fine. But when they fail, and they DO fail at least as often as any other
brand, more than some but less than others, they are a PITA.
When you have to send them all the way to Cairns & back for repairs they
become a very expensive PITA, as neither the repair bill (or to use TW's
terminology, 'upgrade') or the freight costs are cheap.
But those of you who know better, go right ahead & hand out your hard-earned
for an item that is almost certainly going to give you trouble somewhere
down the line, and when it does, be prepared for repair & shipping charges
that would make Dick Turpin blush!
ruff
atec77
the tech I wont buy it ( valves I will sort my self)
One has to question why anyone would buy the me when there are heaps of
amps around sounding perfectly fine at a financial advantage
Sorta like buying a pair of Quads I spose..
Trevor Wilson
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
**No problems. Your dealer is responsible for the repair of your preamp.
Alternatively, you can box it up and AUSTRALIA POST the whole thing to Peter
or myself. Preferably in it's original packing box. The cost of using
Australia Post for preamps is low and their reliability is, surprisingly,
high. Just register and insure the product.
The rotary switches rarely fail by themselves, but are susceptible to
knocks. A knock can bend the contact slightly, causing the contact to become
intermittent. When I fix them, I just re-tension the contact, coat the whole
shebang with De-OxitT and it usually gives no further problems. In very rare
instances, I replace the switch. Peter may have a suggested repair person in
the West.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Trevor Wilson
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:6gbt4aF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rick Stadelmaier" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:12182851...@mx2.pip.com.au...
>>> Hi all, see below......
>>>
>>>>> Can you fit the current audio modules in an original control pre-amp?
>>>>
>>>> **Easily. I've done so many, many times.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, they don't fit, the chassis isn't deep enough.
>>
>> **Incorrect.
>>
>> --
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
> So that's it, is it a highly technical, thoroughly researched, one word
> answer.
**It is succinct and to the point. There is no need for me to elaborate.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
atec77
TT
"atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> One has to question why anyone would buy the me when there
> are heaps of amps around sounding perfectly fine at a
> financial advantage
> Sorta like buying a pair of Quads I spose..
Easy answer - my speaker manufacturer recommended it at the
time for the difficult load. I then had to get the ME pre
to match the power amp so it would work properly.
I also believed that these things were constructed from off
the shelf components available Oz wide. In other words,
could be serviced anywhere.
Apart from that we are going over old ground again.
Cheers TT
TT
"roughplanet" <rough...@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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>
> ME are like any other audio item; whilst they are working
> properly they are fine. But when they fail, and they DO
> fail at least as often as any other brand, more than some
> but less than others, they are a PITA.
> When you have to send them all the way to Cairns & back
> for repairs they become a very expensive PITA, as neither
> the repair bill (or to use TW's terminology, 'upgrade') or
> the freight costs are cheap.
>
> But those of you who know better, go right ahead & hand
> out your hard-earned for an item that is almost certainly
> going to give you trouble somewhere down the line, and
> when it does, be prepared for repair & shipping charges
> that would make Dick Turpin blush!
>
> ruff
Cheers TT
atec77
typical
TT
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote
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>
>> and to top it off I now have on my ME24 a source selector
>> switch starting to play up that is still under the 5 year
>> warranty :-(
>
> **No problems. Your dealer is responsible for the repair
> of your preamp. Alternatively, you can box it up and
> AUSTRALIA POST the whole thing to Peter or myself.
> Preferably in it's original packing box. The cost of using
> Australia Post for preamps is low and their reliability
> is, surprisingly, high. Just register and insure the
> product.
>
> The rotary switches rarely fail by themselves, but are
> susceptible to knocks. A knock can bend the contact
> slightly, causing the contact to become intermittent. When
> I fix them, I just re-tension the contact, coat the whole
> shebang with De-OxitT and it usually gives no further
> problems. In very rare instances, I replace the switch.
> Peter may have a suggested repair person in the West.
>
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
How hard is it to do myself? Are the wires push fittings or
soldered? It only plays up once in a blue moon and it is
more like the detent is sticky as I only have to just rock
the switch slightly an it is fine again for weeks.
Cheers Terry
TT
As quite a few here already know the speakers I use are
Equinox Apogees and no, I do not believe Rick lied. He is
the most honest salesman I have come across and quite
rightly always wanted the best for his designs. Plus, add
to that, it can't be a bad idea to use the same type and
model amp that the speakers were designed and tested on?
Cheers TT
Trevor Wilson
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:6gcrntF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>
>>> and to top it off I now have on my ME24 a source selector switch
>>> starting to play up that is still under the 5 year warranty :-(
>>
>> **No problems. Your dealer is responsible for the repair of your preamp.
>> Alternatively, you can box it up and AUSTRALIA POST the whole thing to
>> Peter or myself. Preferably in it's original packing box. The cost of
>> using Australia Post for preamps is low and their reliability is,
>> surprisingly, high. Just register and insure the product.
>>
>> The rotary switches rarely fail by themselves, but are susceptible to
>> knocks. A knock can bend the contact slightly, causing the contact to
>> become intermittent. When I fix them, I just re-tension the contact, coat
>> the whole shebang with De-OxitT and it usually gives no further problems.
>> In very rare instances, I replace the switch. Peter may have a suggested
>> repair person in the West.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.rageaudio.com.au
> How hard is it to do myself?
**Not difficult. You need to be able to work work in a confined space, being
very careful of springs and things. I would guess that the job is
considerably simpler than fixing an automatic gearbox.
Are the wires push fittings or
> soldered?
**You don't need to desolder anything, if you are skilled and very careful.
It only plays up once in a blue moon and it is
> more like the detent is sticky as I only have to just rock the switch
> slightly an it is fine again for weeks.
**I'll talk you though on the 'phone, if you wish. It should take less than
an hour or so. Don't forget to contact your dealer. He/she is responsible
for warranty repairs.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
bassett
"Briefly Expressed" that sounds about right..
bassett
bassett
first place ]]
I'll talk you through the job over the phone, he replies. Shortly after
that the thing falls into a million
bits and the phone line drops out. Then he tells you to contact the
warranty agent. Fuck'in good luck,
with that suggestion.
No address or phone number supplied, for the local agent in your state.
simply because there isn't one. Great, Start saving your penny's for freight
costs "T" And as the sun goes down we all start singing,
"It's moonlight bay, over coconut county. Here , here , here we come, for
an up' up' up-grade".
Next thing , he'll tell you the service department has shifted to Mumbai.
" how will we be helping you this day,
Onourable sir " Are de switch is has become unfixable due to your clumsy
big paws, under the lid. O'dear O'dear I,m saying your warranty has become
cactus, due your screws are being removed, and you let the light in.
O'dear, O'dear
O' to be a fly on the wall when the shit hits the proverbial fan. What a
great indorsement for a product. NOT
bassett
roughplanet
"atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> One has to question why anyone would buy the me when there are heaps of
>>>> amps around sounding perfectly fine at a financial advantage
>>>> Sorta like buying a pair of Quads I spose..
>>> Easy answer - my speaker manufacturer recommended it at the time for the
>>> difficult load. I then had to get the ME pre to match the power amp so
>>> it would work properly.
>>>
>>> I also believed that these things were constructed from off the shelf
>>> components available Oz wide. In other words, could be serviced
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> Apart from that we are going over old ground again.
>> So the sales droid lied for the sale ?
>> typical
> As quite a few here already know the speakers I use are Equinox Apogees
> and no, I do not believe Rick lied. He is the most honest salesman I have
> come across and quite rightly always wanted the best for his designs.
> Plus, add to that, it can't be a bad idea to use the same type and model
> amp that the speakers were designed and tested on?
I couldn't agree with your
atec77
abuse it tend to make one view very jaundiced
Having heard a few me and done comparisons to my amp thanks but no
thanks.. but then I built mine :P
roughplanet
"atec77" <atec77...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> One has to question why anyone would buy the me when there are heaps of
>>>> amps around sounding perfectly fine at a financial advantage
>>>> Sorta like buying a pair of Quads I spose..
>>> Easy answer - my speaker manufacturer recommended it at the time for the
>>> difficult load. I then had to get the ME pre to match the power amp so
>>> it would work properly.
>>>
>>> I also believed that these things were constructed from off the shelf
>>> components available Oz wide. In other words, could be serviced
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> Apart from that we are going over old ground again.
>> So the sales droid lied for the sale ?
>> typical
> As quite a few here already know the speakers I use are Equinox Apogees
> and no, I do not believe Rick lied. He is the most honest salesman I have
> come across and quite rightly always wanted the best for his designs.
> Plus, add to that, it can't be a bad idea to use the same type and model
> amp that the speakers were designed and tested on?
I couldn't agree with you more TT; Rick is honest to the core, but like
quite a few of ME's agents, eventually found the relationship too
challenging and so, to maintain his integrity (and in the case of some
agents, their sanity), he had to to sever the connection & find another
company whose products were compatible with his loudspeakers.
I think his choice was a good one, and no, before anyone accuses me of any
sort of bias, I haven't spoken to Rick in several years, don't own a pair of
his speakers and aren't an agent for any of his products. He's just a damn
nice bloke is all, and honest to boot.
Like several other Australian loudspeaker manufacturers, his products offer
a much better bang for your buck than do imported speakers, which, in the
main, are overpriced, underperforming, and really, just don't cut it when
one looks at their price/performance ratio.
Of course, there are exceptions, and some imported speakers are very well
designed & built, but with speakers manufactured Downunder, you save quite a
bit on shipping, tax, advertsing & agent's commission, not to mention the
cost of shipping if (heaven forbid) they need to be returned to the
manufacturer under warranty.
And there are models to fit everyone's budget and design requirements,
whatever they might be.
But if you have a very unusual speaker in mind, e.g. 4" horn loaded or
ribbon mid/highs with conventional bass drivers that actually match the
ribbons, drop me a line & I'll put you in touch with people who specialise
in the design & building of such specialties, the performance of which you
won't believe until you hear them.
ruff
TT
>you won't believe until you hear them.
>
> ruff
But you're never home when I want to drop around and have a listen ;-)
There's always some excuse that you're off somewhere putting your feet up
for a few days :-)) (I hope you realise this is humour)
Cheers Terry
Trevor Wilson
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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**Read these words CAREFULLY:
"Your dealer is responsible for the repair of your preamp."
And:
"Don't forget to contact your dealer. He/she is responsible for warranty
repairs."
I am pretty certain that Terry managed to read those words. It is a shame
you could not.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
TT
>
>
> "Don't forget to contact your dealer. He/she is responsible for warranty
> repairs."
>
> I am pretty certain that Terry managed to read those words. It is a shame
> you could not.
>
>
very intermittent problem, it has only ever happened on one selector
position and IMHO currently not worth the effort (freight cost) to do
anything.
Although as we both know it is probably not going to get better by itself
:-( Because the source selector spends 99% of it's time in the one
position use may actually may it better perhaps (shrug). I was assuming it
was a slight corrosion problem as it appears to be a time based problem and
so it is very intermittent.
Cheers TT
GD
Have you tried Detoxit if it's possible to spray inside the selector
? I have an old Sansui A-80 intergrated amp which had the problem with all
selections and after using Detoxit , it's working now .. will see how long
it goes for . Pretty good stuff ..
Gavin ..
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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bassett
so well informed on the subject of ME, you should know who to send him to,
for an instant warranty repair. And it can't be that difficult, Even Rotel
have warranty agents in WA
bassett
"GD" <NOSPAMga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi TT
>
> Have you tried Detoxit if it's possible to spray inside the
> selector ? I have an old Sansui A-80 intergrated amp which had the problem
> with all selections and after using Detoxit , it's working now .. will see
> how long it goes for . Pretty good stuff ..
>
> Gavin ..
Yes but if he takes the lid off, it will void the warrenty, will it not.
bassett
bassett
But didn't Equinox give ME the boot ages ago, due to servicing problems,
and besides there in Sydney, and "T" is in WA, So he should contact the
WA warranty agent, I think TW would know who they are, He knows everything
else about ME. just perhaps he might like to supply a phone number on here,
just in case other WA users are also having trouble with ME products, can
also contact there local service agent.
bassett
roughplanet
"roughplanet" <rough...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>>you won't believe until you hear them.
> But you're never home when I want to drop around and have a listen ;-)
> There's always some excuse that you're off somewhere putting your feet up
> for a few days :-)) (I hope you realise this is humour)
Yes TT, I do. And I'll be 'holidaying' again in October, but this time, it's
a biggy; the removal of all the old electronics & their replacement with a
new, wireless, SOTA neuro-whatsimacallit.
I should be able to leap tall cane toads with a single bound or two, and
lift heavyweight paper clips with one hand, after a couple of trial runs
:-).
It will be great to actually have a unit that works once again, and for only
$50,000. What a bargain!
ruff
TT
I haven't sprayed anything on it yet but would have used
some CRC contact cleaner.
Just had a call from my dealer and the switch will be
replaced.
Cheers TT
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EJP
> **It's a shame I could not obtain a volume pot from Quad 10 years ago. As
> you may know, volume pots are a weak point of any preamp.
That's odd, I obtained one this year.
bassett
keithr
> Hi Gavin,
>
> I haven't sprayed anything on it yet but would have used some CRC contact
> cleaner.
>
> Just had a call from my dealer and the switch will be replaced.
>
> Cheers TT
You druggies are all the same.
Trevor Wilson
"TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:6ge5drF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Don't forget to contact your dealer. He/she is responsible for warranty
>> repairs."
>>
>> I am pretty certain that Terry managed to read those words. It is a shame
>> you could not.
>>
>>
> Yes I did thanks Trevor but the ex-dealer is Equinox.
**Makes no difference. Your dealer is responsible for the length of the
warranty period.
As I said it is a
> very intermittent problem, it has only ever happened on one selector
> position and IMHO currently not worth the effort (freight cost) to do
> anything.
**OK.
>
> Although as we both know it is probably not going to get better by itself
> :-( Because the source selector spends 99% of it's time in the one
> position use may actually may it better perhaps (shrug). I was assuming
> it was a slight corrosion problem as it appears to be a time based problem
> and so it is very intermittent.
**It is unlikely to be corrosion, since the contacts are gold plated. It is
possible that a small contaminant has made it's way into the contacts (the
switch is not hermetically sealed), but my money is on weakened contacts.
It's an easy fix. I'll still talk you though it if you wish.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
TT
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@_SPAMBLOCK_rageaudio.com.au> wrote
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switch. He will be performing an upgrade on my Apogees in
the near future and will fit the new switch at the same
time. It is unbelievable (and very pleasing) that I can
have a warranty problem fixed on-site ;-)
Cheers Terry
Chris Mulhall
My B & W speakers have never sounded so GOOD.
Cheers Chris...
To all knocker of ME...bad luck you're just jealous...
"Chris Mulhall" <NOSPAMc...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> I have one ME 550II Hi Cap amplifier for sale. I'm selling it as I have
> finally saved enough to purchase an 850. The unit is the current model
> and is in pristine condition with no marks or scratches. I had it
> serviced by Reg Mills Stereo in October last year and the technican,
> Scott, informed me that it is the best he had seen. I can forward photos
> if requested.
>
> The unit comes with the original box and manual. I'm asking $1600 for the
> unit and will post via registered mail to anywhere in Australia.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Mulhall
> Brisbane
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Chris Mulhall
I have heard McIntosh, Classe, Krell, Levinson, Primare, Quad, Bel Canto,
Perreaux, Nad etc etc....
To me they all pail...
My amplification for life....
Chris...
"Chris Mulhall" <NOSPAMc...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Greg Wormald
"Chris Mulhall" <NOSPAMc...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> Got the 850 today.
>
> My B & W speakers have never sounded so GOOD.
>
> Cheers Chris...
>
> To all knocker of ME...bad luck you're just jealous...
>
Glad to hear it Chris--I've been enjoying my 850 for so long now it's
probably time to see how the capacitors are fairing!
When I first auditioned it, in comparison with some very
highly-thought-of international competition, it was no contest. The ME
made my speakers sound like there was a direct connection between the
source and the speakers, a connection that was 'solid' and drove the
speakers back and forth with precision, and stopped them dead when
required.
BTW--for knockers--that is not a scientific explanation--just my
impression.
Greg
Chris Mulhall
Don't worry about those capacitors. Peter is still up and running, as my
neighbour found out last month with upgrades to his ME gear. He hasn't
stopped raving since he got the pre/power back. How many manufacturers hand
test components on an occilliscope to ensure they're equal, Peter
does....How many manufactures can you pick up the phone, talk to, and
discuss mods from there...knowing that they're as genuinely enthusiastic as
you are..
And why are so many copying his designs, even without the schematics?
Gotta be some Genius there somewhere!!??
Chris..
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Chris Mulhall
Knock yourself out on that Bassett hound...!!
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Trevor Wilson
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**That is excellent news. You'd better don your fireproof suit now. There's
a whole bunch of morons on this group who don't believe in upgrades. They
seem to imagine that no progress has been made in the development of audio
equipment since 1935. Those of us with some intellect know different. Things
are changing all the time. Upgrading a product is often good value for money
(though Rick seems to feel otherwise when it comes to ME equipment).
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
atec77
There's
> a whole bunch of morons on this group who don't believe in upgrades.
misrepresentation and rubbish
They
> seem to imagine that no progress has been made in the development of audio
> equipment since 1935. Those of us with some intellect know different.
you don't know your arse from your elbow , or for that matter decency
as if you had a decent bone in your body the admission you have an
agenda for self gratification and financial advancement propagated by
lies and falsehoods would spill forth from your lips along with some
actual truth and genuine comment ( missing from your posts for many years)
Things
> are changing all the time.
you thunk twevy ? ( opps I slipped in the irony folks)
Upgrading a product is often good value for money
> (though Rick seems to feel otherwise when it comes to ME equipment).
we all do apart from a few poor misguided souls
>
>
Rick Stadelmaier
Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "TT" <TTence...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> Rick has since rung me and has offered to replace the switch. He will be
>> performing an upgrade on my Apogees in the near future and will fit the
>> new switch at the same time. It is unbelievable (and very pleasing) that
>> I can have a warranty problem fixed on-site ;-)
>
> **That is excellent news. You'd better don your fireproof suit now. There's
> a whole bunch of morons on this group who don't believe in upgrades. They
> seem to imagine that no progress has been made in the development of audio
> equipment since 1935. Those of us with some intellect know different. Things
> are changing all the time. Upgrading a product is often good value for money
> (though Rick seems to feel otherwise when it comes to ME equipment).
Do I?
For us bunch of 'morons' that read the posts on this group, here are a few of things
I mentioned in my entire 3 posts - (Mostly direct quotes from my posts)
<start of quotes>
Upgrading is just sometimes not practical
SOME of these upgrades are quite high in price and do not make economical sense.
I know, and acknowledged that many of the upgrades are a good thing.
MY point was to show you that not ALL upgrades are sensible and/or economical.
ME wasn't unique in that regard.
Many other brands can also be upgraded.
<end of quotes>
So Trev, at what point in the above do you think that I 'feel otherwise (regarding
upgrades) when it comes to ME equipment'?
While the rest of us 'morons' will sit back and wait for your next words of wisdom.
BTW, don't you often get your knickers in a real twist when you claim someone has
misquoted you? IIRC, you utter something along the lines of - 'Please do not misquote
me'.
Practise what you preach.
PS - FWIW, I think you're slipping, your arguments are getting weaker by the day,
perhaps a sign of desperate times, I don't know. But you're certainly not doing
yourself (or Peter) any good, that's for certain.
--
Rick Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
Sydney, Australia
keithr
> ME = Power, Fidelity, Speed & Timing...
>
expressed and how do you measure them?
Keith
bassett
"Chris Mulhall" <NOSPAMc...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message ...
> Why did it take me 4 years to find a 2nd hand ME 850??!!
I dunno, But then I'm only a "moron with no bloody idea. Still you rant
and rave about your new vintage antique acquisition. I'm sure I speak for
everyone, including the "morons'' and the seven dwafts for that matter ,
when we all wish you good luck, with your new prized box of bit's.
And as an added Bonus, I expect TW will send you a Christmas card, as your
now one of the Clan.
As for comparing it to McIntosh, Classe, Krell, Levinson, Primare and a few
other brands, I,m sure there are people on here who would disagree with you,
and give scientific reasons why, your total wrong in your thinking.
But far be it for me to criticise your logic, There are many well
qualified Phycologists out there that are simply waiting for you to fall of
your perch, when the thing shits it'self, and you cut your wrists or jump
out of a basement window.
So you be a happy little chappy, with your new 2nd hand Amp, while you wait
in the hope you get a bid for your old redundant 550-11 hi-cap with
whistles and bells to sell. As it doesn't seem to be busting out of the
doors yet, considering how good [according to you] and reliable it is. But
I expect we will get a loud clap of thunder, and as many who-rarrrrrrs as it
takes, should it attract a bid. And you won't be backward in informing
everyone about the fact.
> Knock yourself out on that Bassett hound...!!
No point in doing that "Rosebud" your fully brainwashed by the darkside,
But while you sit in wonder and ore, as your new aquisition , learns to
blow smoke, Just remember, we still have our cash in our pockets, You
don't.
And the lord said unto Moses, "Go Forth" and he came fifth and lost his beer
money.
We expect constant up-dates as to the way your progressing with your new
found friend, and please don't forget to fit the "smoke detecters"
Your affectionate little hound
"Bassett"
bassett
what this newsgroup needs, More positive thinking replies, and helpful
advise. Of cause unfortunately what this news group dosen't need is bloody
wankers like you, coming on here and bullshitting about crap.
Still "Rosebud" we can't have everything, now can we.
Now we will all sing that old campfire song that we sung in our youth. "And
the smokes goes up the Chimney, just the same"
bassett
GD
biggest wanker in here . You have all the answers and opinions and you don't
own a fucking thing . Might have to get your pants back of your misses so
you can buy some real stuff instead of dreaming ... If this group was
moderated , believe me 90% of your pointless messages would be deleted ..
Jagoff ...
...
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com.au> wrote in message
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Chris Mulhall
never had any doubt.
I've got my 850 now, it will stay with me for LIFE...
Cheers Chris...
"GD" <NOSPAMga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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