Rant - why is it so hard?

[Sylvia Else]

My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it showed
that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the guy had
actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not loud enough.

So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.

Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
drivers in mind.

Why is this so hard?

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:

https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2

It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even
comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension
bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really
nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the system:

* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. It
was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy to
leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.

I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly
long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the system
just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and very
well during the day. IR sensitive.

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================

>
> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:
>
> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>
> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.
>

** Is the pic in colour ?

IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.

I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.


..... Phil

[Sylvia Else]

I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:

<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>

and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 2:40 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> ================
>
>>
>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found this:
>>
>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>
>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install.
>>
>
> ** Is the pic in colour ?

**Oh yeah. At night, of course, mono, because it is operating on the
internal IR emitters.

>
> IME somewhat blurry B&W images are near useless at IDing anyone.
>
> I already know an IR illuminated image is even worse.

**Although the picture is a little 'fisheye' quality (which is to be
expected, because it has excellent coverage of my porch and surrounds),
people I know are instantly recognisable.

[Trevor Wilson]

**The advantage of the Ring system is that you don't have to rely on the
idiot pushing the doorbell. Of course your idea is very inexpensive. And
very, very limited.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/09/2021 3:55 pm, noel wrote:

> ring, last time I looked they are only subscription based so I'd avoid,
> unless they've woken up to that flaw
>

**They are subscription based IF you want to save a video recording to
the cloud. I have no interest in that. I paid for the doorbell and there
is nothing else to pay. If I could be bothered, I could probably figure
out how to save video to my computer, or tablet. But I can't. So,
there's that.

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the continued
existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me comfort.

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.

IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.

When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.

[Daniel65]

Sylvia Else wrote on 6/9/21 3:12 pm:

I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for delivery!! ;-P

Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 13 Weeks
--
Daniel

[Colin Earl]

That's only after the 53 in stock (at time of writing) are sold.

Buy today, should have it next week.

[Trevor Wilson]

**Or buy something locally and have it on the doorstep in 24 hours:

https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/push-button-switches/6903255/

I still reckon the Ring product will solve ALL Sylvia's problems. A
button will not.

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

>
> I still reckon the Ring product will solve ALL Sylvia's problems.
>

** You are kidding ?

The Sylvia troll is beyond help.


...... Phil

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:

>
> Buy today, should have it next week.
>

Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
an unexplained delay.

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**Buy the Ring product. It will solve all the problems you mentioned.
Easy to install, everything is included (even, as I said, the cutest
little spirit level), is well made and doesn't have to be connected to
the internet. You can get it today.

[Daniel65]

Colin Earl wrote on 6/9/21 9:28 pm:

AHHH!! That makes sense!! ;-)
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Sylvia Else wrote on 7/9/21 9:17 am:

And didn't I hear, over the week-end or so, the Aust Post delivery vans
have been soooo overloaded with deliveries that they are going on a 'go
slow'!!
--
Daniel

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.

But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

[Sylvia Else]

On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:

* Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
* When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.

You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.

However, that only solves one of the problems.

I provided a perfectly suitable solution to BOTH problems. It provides
additional features that you may or may not find useful.

Why is it not under consideration?

Curious minds want to know.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 8/09/2021 3:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 8/09/2021 9:25 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 08-Sep-21 9:16 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 06-Sep-21 9:28 pm, Colin Earl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy today, should have it next week.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, my recent experience suggests that if I buy it today, it will
>>>> be in Australia within a few days, and then languish indefinitely with
>>>> an unexplained delay.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I had two packages sent via DHL on the 23rd, one from the USA
>>> and the other from Singapore. They both arrived in Melbourne within
>>> the week, the Singapore one a day or two earlier as you'd expect.
>>> On Monday I picked up the USA one at the post office, still waiting
>>> on the Singapore one. You can't apply logic to these things.
>>>
>>> But DHL use Aus Post for the delivery within Australia, the courier
>>> services used by RS and e14 don't (for me).
>>>
>>
>> On the other hand, Toll delivered something to me (from Element14) on
>> Monday, but the tracking still shows it in transit.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> **I'm curious Sylvia. You've stated that you have two problems:
>
> * Delivery guys don't push the doorbell button.
> * When they do press the doorbell button, it sticks.
>
> You're solution is to buy a waterproof, industrial quality push button.

**Duh. Smacks head. Should read: "Your solution.."

[Sylvia Else]

The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
door telling them to use the doorbell.

The WiFi solution is expensive, probably impossible to repair when it
breaks, and my microwave oven is powerful enough to disrupt Wifi when in
use.

I have no use for the video capabilities, since I have a video solution
in place.

I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
All I need is a push-button that will last.

Sylvia.

[Phil Allison]

Sylvia Else wrote:
================

> I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
> All I need is a push-button that will last.

** IME

Micro-switch based push buttons are tops.
Used for launching wing mounted, heat seeking missiles and nuke weapons.

Door bells are a doddle.



..... Phil

[Trevor Wilson]

**I bet that doesn't work. It hasn't for me. Sometimes, the lazy
arseholes just drop packages over the front fence. Fortunately, the
camera detects such activities and alerts me.

>
> The WiFi solution is expensive, probably impossible to repair when it
> breaks, and my microwave oven is powerful enough to disrupt Wifi when in
> use.

**Then you may have far more serious problems to worry about. It would
seem that you may have one or more of the following problems:

* Microwave leakage. This can be a VERY serious problem for your health.
Buy a leakage detector and check.
* The internal SMPS (if it uses one) may require suppression. Perhaps
the manufacturer is lazy, or existing suppression components are faulty.
* Mechanical switches may require suppression.
* Your WIFi is shit.

BTW: The Ring system operates by setting up it's own WiFi system, by
connecting to your existing one.

>
> I have no use for the video capabilities, since I have a video solution
> in place.

**OK.

>
> I already have the chime, the bell transformer and the wiring for it.
> All I need is a push-button that will last.

**OK. Then the one you have selected should do the trick. Buy from
Element14 or RS. We need to support local suppliers, or they will leave
the country forever. They are usually quicker than overeseas suppliers
too. WES is worth trying too.

[Phil Allison]

Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------

> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
> door telling them to use the doorbell.

** ROTFL !

I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
I guess they just don't see it.

BTW

there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door at a previous address would have been invaluable.
On one such it would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
Recommended.


...... Phil

[Trevor Wilson]

On 9/09/2021 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> I guess they just don't see it.

**SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on
the door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which
has this neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to
miss. Yet they still knock.

>
> BTW
>
> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door at a previous address would have been invaluable.
> On one such it would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
> Recommended.

**OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional
video intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me that
he had installed a few Ring devices and found them to work flawlessly.

[Sylvia Else]

On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> I guess they just don't see it.

I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
and closed.

Hmmm....

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**You could do that.

OR, you could install a Ring system, which will detect a caller long
before they knock on the door and alert you.

Just a thought.

[Phil Allison]

Sylvia Else wrote:
================

>
> >> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
> >> door telling them to use the doorbell.
> >
> > ** ROTFL !
> >
> > I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
> > Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
> > I guess they just don't see it.
>
> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding
> to other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened
> and closed.

** A crazy situation exists for many people living in strata blocks:

Most such blocks have an external door bell and intercom system.
Inside each unit is a pretty loud sounder that residents soon get to accustomed treating as their door alarm.
Unique sound, nothing else like it, audible in each room.
Hearing it will get you out of bed in the morning, to see who the heck it is.

But one or two mornings each year, the "fire safety inspector" arrives.
They do not use the external bell system at all, cos they have a key to the main doors of the building.
Instead they tap, tap on each door. Maybe at 7am.

This does not wake anyone or even remind them of anyone being at the door - since that is not the right trigger sound.
In unit blocks, one hears random tapping noises all the time and learns to ignore them.
So your unit gets missed by the inspector and you cop a letter from strata with a nasty threat of a $2000 or more fine.

To avoid such NON EXISTENT fine you are to arrange a call back and pay a cash fee of $150 or more.

This nonsense is entirely as intended by the inspection company.
Backed up by assholes in strata management.

Been going on for almost 20 years so far.


..... Phil

[Daniel65]

noel wrote on 8/9/21 10:36 pm:

> not quite, they are delaying their vans picking up parcels from online
> retailers in syd/melb only, until they clear a massive backlog.
> In Brisbane, I just got a parcel from WA in 3 days, so no go slow there :)
>
Ah, O.K., thanks for clearing that up. ;-P
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Trevor Wilson wrote on 9/9/21 1:13 pm:

Does Sylvia have a fly-wire door?? Fit a normally open switch which
closes as soon as the fly-wire door is opened and rings the bell! Job
done. ;-)
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:

> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.

Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
--
Daniel

[Phil Allison]

Daniel65 puked

> > I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>
> Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
>

** Wot a very interesting question -

from a lying troll, dope that wouldn't know if its stinking arse were on fire.


...... Phil

[Jasen Betts]

You can buy knock sensors, they might work on doors :) or build
something, eg: a normally closed leaf switch with one leaf soldered to nail in the
door and the other soldered to a weight

Door slamming could be perhaps cured by a reed switch with a timeout

Perhaps a fast reed switch and a slow one in series, (a slow reed switch
is a regular reed switch inside a copper block)

--
Jasen.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote

>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.

>> ROTFL !

>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.

> SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on the
> door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which has this
> neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to miss. Yet
> they still knock.

That’s because plenty of the fancy systems don’t
work anymore. Knocking on the door avoids that.

I have in fact done that myself, tho I usually do both.

Certainly that is the big advantage of the movement
detector approach, that works regardless of what the
delivery monkey chooses to do, even just drop the
parcel at the door and not even knock on the door
because that’s the quickest way to do things.

>> BTW

>> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my door
>> at a previous address would have been invaluable. On one such it would
>> have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
>> Recommended.

> OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
> consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional video
> intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me that he had
> installed a few Ring devices and found them to work flawlessly.

Wonder how many get stolen or vandalised ?

[Rod Speed]

Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid> wrote

> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote

>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.

>> ROTFL !

>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>> I guess they just don't see it.

> I might have to design a knock detector. Obvious issues are responding to
> other noises, and in particular responding to the door being opened and
> closed.

Wouldn’t be hard to include a door opening and closing sensor
and have the system include that in the knock detector.

> Hmmm....

Stop humming, it keeps us awake...

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/09/2021 5:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>
>>>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
>>>> the door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
>>> ROTFL  !
>
>>> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>>> Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
>>> I guess they just don't see it.
>
>> SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on
>> the door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which
>> has this neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to
>> miss. Yet they still knock.
>
> That’s because plenty of the fancy systems don’t
> work anymore. Knocking on the door avoids that.
>
> I have in fact done that myself, tho I usually do both.
>
> Certainly that is the big advantage of the movement
> detector approach, that works regardless of what the
> delivery monkey chooses to do, even just drop the
> parcel at the door and not even knock on the door
> because that’s the quickest way to do things.

**Precisely.

>
>>> BTW
>
>>> there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my
>>> door at a previous address would have been invaluable. On one such it
>>> would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
>>> Recommended.
>
>> OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
>> consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional
>> video intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me
>> that he had installed a few Ring devices and found them to work
>> flawlessly.
>
> Wonder how many get stolen or vandalised ?

**Dunno. Around here, such things are extremely unlikely, though, in
other parts of Shitney, it is quite probable. They do supply Torx™ bolts
for installation, which makes removal slightly difficult for a casual
theif. That said, the Ring could be prised from the wall without much
difficulty. I suspect few could be bothered.

[Trevor Wilson]

**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.

Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.

[Jasen Betts]

"R" and "F"

--
Jasen.

[Trevor Wilson]

**LOL! That'll learn me to type messages after just waking up. [Smacks head]

[Sylvia Else]

On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:

> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ------------------------------
>> The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
>
> ** ROTFL !
>
> I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
>

The sign turns out not to be fool-proof.

A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
pointing to. <sigh>

I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**Hey, here's a thought: Buy the Ring system. Foolproof.

[Sylvia Else]

On 06-Sep-21 3:12 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

> I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
>
> <https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
>
>
> and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
>
> Sylvia.
>
>

It comes in various voltages for driving the LED. A resistor is
obviously involved, but it turns out that which voltage you order
determines which value resistor is supplied loose in the plastic bag
containing the switch.

Sylvia.

[Phil Allison]

Sylvia Else wrote:
-------------------------

>
> A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
> So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
> pointing to. <sigh>
>
> I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
>

** Shops often use simple IR beams to detect customers at the entry.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232135538477


.... Phil

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

That Freud fella is pissing himself laughing...

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote

>> A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
>> So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
>> pointing to. <sigh>
>>
>> I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
>>
>

> Shops often use simple IR beams to detect customers at the entry.
>
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232135538477

Camera works much better, you can see if it’s the stupid
joveys or someone else who isn't worth answering the
door for and see if it’s a delivery monkey with a parcel etc.

[Daniel65]

Trevor Wilson wrote on 10/9/21 5:59 am:

Hmm! I was thinking you meant to type "frame" but hit the 'l' in place
of the 'r'!! Would that be same finger but opposite hand or something??
--
Daniel

[keithr0]

On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
>>>> loud enough.
>>>>
>>>> So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
>>>> drivers in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Why is this so hard?
>>>
>>> **It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
>>> found this:
>>>
>>> https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
>>>
>>> It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
>>> about the system:
>>>
>>> * You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
>>> * The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery
>>> guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
>>>
>>> I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
>>> allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
>>>
>>
>> It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
>> access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
>> continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
>> comfort.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> **I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
> it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
>
> IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
> doorbell will work just fine.
>
> When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
> quite nicely constructed.

Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.

It's a good deterrence to burglars too.

[Daniel65]

keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:

Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
company none the less!!
--
Daniel

[keithr0]

Our cocker would let us know if anybody came into the front garden, and
he disrupted a burglary attempt (it was dark and the burglars couldn't
see that it was just a little cocker) but unfortunately he didn't make
it to 15.

[Trevor Wilson]

**All good points. except:

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/are-our-pets-bad-for-the-environment/

And:

https://www.thesprucepets.com/the-cost-of-dog-ownership-1117321

Don't get me wrong: I've owned dogs. Fabulous companion animals. And it
is true that mine alerted me to visitors. However, for _me_, the cost
was too great, so when my last one was put down (at age 15 and it was
the most gut-wrenching thing I've ever done), I decided that I would not
own another.

The Ring is cheaper, 100% reliable. My old girl got to the point where
she could no longer hear the visitors, could barely see them and mostly
couldn't be bothered hopping out of her bed. That was not why I had her
put down BTW. She had Cushings Syndrome and it finally impacted on her
brain. The last couple of days of her life were extremely unpleasant and
very distressing for my partner and me.

As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:

* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).

I had a successful burglary at my last home and a couple of attempted
burglaries. After I installed an alarm (with a nice red LED, that was
visible during the day) and camera system, I never had a problem. I've
done the same here, but, in truth, my suburb is, according to official
stats, the lowest crime suburb in Sydney metro. My neighbour leaves his
garage door unlocked. so we (his immediate neighbours) have easy access
to his extensive and expensive range of tools. I reckon he is nuts, but
he has lived here for something like 40 years and never had a problem.
Hell, until two years ago, he left the key in the front door 24/7!

[Rod Speed]

"keithr0" <us...@account.invalid> wrote in message
news:iq3bml...@mid.individual.net...

The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
dropped the parcel outside the door so you
can retrieve it before someone nicks it.

[Rod Speed]

keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote

Didn’t work very well with my fucking great alsatian. He used to
lie in front of the big patio door which is my front door, looking
over the park/walkway next to the house. Didn’t do anything
about the school kids walking thru the park/walkway unless
they ran thru. But with a couple of individuals would bark
like mad as soon as they were visible around the street
end of the park/walkway. Purely because they were scared
of dogs, not because of anything they had done in the past.

And he used to hurl himself at the other massive great
patio door that was next to the letterbox whenever the
posty used to show up on his motorbike with a letter.

The posty used to worry about him coming right thru
the door and devour him. Never happened because
the doors are armoured glass.

> and he disrupted a burglary attempt (it was dark and the burglars couldn't
> see that it was just a little cocker)

Any burglar with a clue can tell from the bark.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

Fuck the environment.

> And:
>
> https://www.thesprucepets.com/the-cost-of-dog-ownership-1117321
>
> Don't get me wrong: I've owned dogs. Fabulous companion animals. And it is
> true that mine alerted me to visitors. However, for _me_, the cost was too
> great, so when my last one was put down (at age 15 and it was the most
> gut-wrenching thing I've ever done), I decided that I would not own
> another.

I don’t care about the cost even tho the fucking great
alsatian wasn’t that cheap to feed. Now in spades, I will
never spend my vast accumulated wealth before I cark it.

By far the best dog I ever had, and I have had dozens of them.

> The Ring is cheaper, 100% reliable. My old girl got to the point where she
> could no longer hear the visitors,

Yeah, the neighbour's ended up like that.

> could barely see them

Mine went down very fast indeed so never had those
problems and lasted a bit longer than yours.

> and mostly couldn't be bothered hopping out of her bed.

Yeah, an irish deerhound that stayed at my place
when a mate of mine was away was like that. The
bugger didn’t even look up when a small cat that
I had at my place for another mate at the time
quite literally walked over the deerhound.

> That was not why I had her put down BTW. She had Cushings Syndrome and it
> finally impacted on her brain. The last couple of days of her life were
> extremely unpleasant and very distressing for my partner and me.
>
> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
> effective:
>
> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red LED
> mounted on it.
> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
>
> I had a successful burglary at my last home and a couple of attempted
> burglaries. After I installed an alarm (with a nice red LED, that was
> visible during the day) and camera system, I never had a problem.

Didn’t work for my next door neighbour. They have all of that and
still got some burglary attempts. I would always go around and
check it out when the alarm went off when my mates were away.

And it didn’t stop a loon quite literally burning the house next
door to that one to the ground when the stupid cow decided
that the house was infested with demons. She was quite literally
living in the roof of the housing commission house down the
street because she had decided that house was infested with
demons too. She's still at large too, they never did put her in
the loony bin.

[Trevor Wilson]

**AND you can speak to anyone at your front door, from anyplace on the
planet. I've used that facility once. BLD (Before Lock Down).

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

> AND you can speak to anyone at your front door, from anyplace on
> the planet. I've used that facility once. BLD (Before Lock Down).

Yeah, vastly better to be able to tell the delivery monkey
where to leave it more securely if you aren't at home.

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

>
> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:
>
> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
> LED mounted on it.
> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
>

** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.

1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.

2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.


...... Phil

[Trevor Wilson]

**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range. In truth, I didn't buy mine for the
camera. For me, two way communication with the visitor and a reasonable
detection range of people is all I needed. The vision of visitors is
just a bonus.

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------

>
> > ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
> >
> > 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
> >
> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
> >
> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
> >
> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
> before getting into camera range.

** What for?

Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.


...... Phil

[Trevor Wilson]

**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.

[Phil Allison]

** Massive, silly fantasy.

1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.



....... Phil

[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/09/2021 10:21 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>>>>>
>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>
>>> ** What for?
>>>
>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>
> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>
> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.

**Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

**See, I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense. I had one guy who
lived 500m from my home who tried once. The bars on the workshop windows
stopped him. I know who it was, because I saw him run off, when I
arrived home. I confronted him later (I knew him) and told him to never
return, as there would be repercussions.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

**Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
>> effective:

>> * An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
>> LED mounted on it.
>> * An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).

> Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.

Wrong, as always.

> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic

Doesn’t have to be blurry, stupid.

> of a total stranger.

It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
> the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered
and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
> about

So don’t have it visible, stupid.

> - others don't even care.

And will be recognised by the cops.

[Phil Allison]

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:29:16 AM UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/09/2021 10:21 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> > Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
> >>>>>
> >>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
> >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
> >>>> before getting into camera range.
> >>>
> >>> ** What for?
> >>>
> >>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
> >
> >> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
> >> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
> >> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
> >
> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
> >
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> **Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
> the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

** All you will get is a case number for insurance purposes.

> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

> ** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

** You would lose that bet, big time.

My part of Sydney is full of methadone clinics, half way houses for ex convicts and very cheap boarding houses.
PLUS the Rev Bill Cruise refuge center for druggies.
There is a constantly changing flow of clients for all of the above.

Druggies have no regular address.



.... Phil

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> >>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
>> >>> of a total stranger.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as
>> >>> they arrive and it's game over.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>> >>> about - others don't even care.
>> >>>
>> >> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>> >> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>> >> before getting into camera range.
>> >
>> > ** What for?
>> >
>> > Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.

> Massive, silly fantasy.

> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.

That is a pig ignorant lie. They have investigated 4 of mine and my
neighbours' too.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
> police.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

Not only did they investigate the stolen twin cab temporarily dumped
at my place, they lurked inside the house to see if they could catch
the thieves picking it up later, they had it towed away with the thieves
didn’t show up, somehow worked out who had stolen it, maybe from
the fingerprints or something, then went around to the culprits place
and arrested them and got beat up and ended up in hospital and
even showed up on Ray Hadley's program and Media Watch last week.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
>>>>>> of a total stranger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as
>>>>>> they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>>>>>> about - others don't even care.
>>>>>>
>>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>>
>>>> ** What for?
>>>>
>>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>>
>>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>>
>> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>>
>> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>

> Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of the
> loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

Its bullshit, they have done just this year with my neighbour.

>> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> See, I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense.

That’s bullshit too, all mine have been locals.

> I had one guy who lived 500m from my home who tried once. The bars on the
> workshop windows stopped him. I know who it was, because I saw him run
> off, when I arrived home. I confronted him later (I knew him) and told him
> to never return, as there would be repercussions.
>
>> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
>> police.
>

> Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.

Yep, they did with mine. The cop told me was back in jail next day.

[Phil Allison]

Rod Ex-Speed Cop Lying LUNATIC wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------

>

> It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

** ROTFL

>
> The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
> the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

** Rod lives in a small town.

> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
> > the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.

> That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered

** Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.

> and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

** Not so easy at all in reality.
A place Rod has never visited.

> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
> > about
> So don’t have it visible, stupid.

** Not so easy & has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that - areshole.

> And will be recognised by the cops.

** Fat chance.


.... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Rod Ex -Speed Cop MASSIVE LIAR wrote:

==============================

>
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> That is a pig ignorant lie. They have investigated 4 of mine and my
> neighbours' too.

** Rod lives in a country town and lies and lies and lies.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
> > police.
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

** Rod lives in a country town and lies and lies and lies.

> Not only did they investigate the stolen twin cab

** FFS that is NOT a "home burglary".

When I had my credit card stolen from my home once, the burglar left a trail behind.
My ( on-line) card statement revealed each place he used it.
One was nearby, so I spoke with the shop keeper within a few days.

He found a receipt and remembered the transaction.
Told me what the guy looked like and what he bought = designer sunglasses.
Cops did nothing.



..... Phil

[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 12/09/2021 10:21, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
>>>>>
>>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>>>> before getting into camera range.
>>>
>>> ** What for?
>>>
>>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>
>> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
>> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>
> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>
> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.

They still do in Victoria.

> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.

> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.

Some do, some don't.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Phil Allison]

Gary R. Schmidt bullshitted:
======================

> >
> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
> >
> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
> They still do in Victoria.

** Nonsense.

Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??

> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.

> Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.

** Meaningless drivel.

> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
>
> Some do, some don't.

** Not in big cities.


...... Phil

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> Phil Allison wrote
>> > Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>>>> ** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry
>> >>>>> pic of a total stranger.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon
>> >>>>> as they arrive and it's game over.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
>> >>>>> about - others don't even care.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> **The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
>> >>>> before getting into camera range.
>> >>>
>> >>> ** What for?
>> >>>
>> >>> Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
>> >
>> >> **True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
>> >> choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to
>> >> the
>> >> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
>> >
>> > ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>> >
>> > 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>> **Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
>> the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.

> All you will get is a case number for insurance purposes.

Wrong, as always. The cops showed up at my place,
gave them them video, told them the school could
identify him, the school did. The cops told his dad
that they wanted to interview him about the robbery.
His dad frog marched him to my place and made him
flog some of his toys to pay me for what got stolen.

>
>> > 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
>
>> > 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
>> > police.
>
>> ** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.
>

> You would lose that bet, big time.

Nope.

> My part of Sydney is full of methadone clinics, half way
> houses for ex convicts and very cheap boarding houses.

No surprises there given who you are.

> PLUS the Rev Bill Cruise refuge center for druggies.
> There is a constantly changing flow of clients for all of the above.

> Druggies have no regular address.

That’s bullshit too. Mate of mine is one and has a regular address.

It was hilarious to be at a garage sale with him with the cops
ringing him to get him to hand himself in with him completely
out of his fucking tree and abusing the cops on the phone.

He did eventually hand himself in and was off to jail again.

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod wrote

>> It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.

>> The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
>> the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

> Rod lives in a small town.

Its not that small and a mate of mine in sydney
has had the cops show up recently. In Guilford.

>> > 2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
>> > the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
>
>> That’s bullshit too with the footage before its covered
>

> Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.

Nothing like your original bullshit.

>> and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.

> Not so easy at all in reality.

More mindless bullshit. Trivially easy in fact.

>> > 3. Most burglars will cover their face if
>> > there is a visible camera about

>> So don’t have it visible, stupid.

> Not so easy

More mindless bullshit.

> & has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that

Only a terminal fuckwit such as yourself wouldn’t have both, fuckwit.

>> And will be recognised by the cops.

> Fat chance.

More mindless bullshit.

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Gary R. Schmidt wrote

Wrong, as always. Happened with a mate of mine in sydney recently.

[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 12/09/2021 14:22, Phil Allison wrote:
> Gary R. Schmidt bullshitted:
> ======================
>
>>>
>>> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
>>>
>>> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>> They still do in Victoria.
>
> ** Nonsense.
>
> Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
>

A lost laptop, no, but a proper burglary, yes.

>>> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
>
>> Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
>
> ** Meaningless drivel.
>

No, it's how things get done.

>>> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
>>
>> Some do, some don't.
>
> ** Not in big cities.
>

Well, I live in Mentone, a suburb of Melbourne - which even you would
have to acknowledge is a big city - and I know of two coppers who live
within a klick of me who work out of Mordialloc, which covers Mentone.
(It should be Cheltenham, but that's the way it is.)

So, 0 for 3 again.

Keep digging, you'll get to the Azores eventually.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Phil Allison]

Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
========================

> >>>
> >>> ** Massive, silly fantasy.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
>
> >> They still do in Victoria.
> >
> > ** Nonsense.
> >
> > Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
> >
> A lost laptop, no, but a proper burglary, yes.

** I see no answer to my Q - cos there was no investigation.

> >>> 2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
> >
> >> Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
> >
> > ** Meaningless drivel.
> >
> No, it's how things get done.

** Absurd, meaningless drivel & purest bullshit.

> >>> 3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
> >>
> >> Some do, some don't.
> >
> > ** Not in big cities.
> >
> Well, I live in Mentone, a suburb of Melbourne - which even you would
> have to acknowledge is a big city - and I know of two coppers who live
> within a klick of me who work out of Mordialloc, which covers Mentone.

** You live in a Mental Hospital for insane autistics.



....... Phil

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Try harder Phil, seems like you're stealing scripts from Roddles these days.

And he's hardly original.

But, just like him, you're so wrong that you couldn't be wronger if you
wrapped yourself in wrong, poured a jerry-can full of wrong over
yourself, and set yourself on fire.

Actually, why don't you do that with a jerry-can full of petrol, it
would improve the world in so many, many ways.

For a start it would put you out of your misery, and, indeed, out of ours.

Such a massive improvement to the universe from so simple a task, don't
you think?

But then, you don't think, do you?

About time you go back in the kill-file with the other anencephalic lusers.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Daniel65]

Rod Speed wrote on 12/9/21 10:52 am:

<Snip>

> The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
> the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.

"The high school recognised one of my burglars"!!

WOW!! A intelligent Building!! Talk about *HI-TECH* !!
--
Daniel

[Phil Allison]

Gary R. Schmidt Lunatic Retard wrote:
============================

> >
> > ** You live in a Mental Hospital for insane autistics.
> >
>

> But, just like him, you're so wrong that you couldn't be wronger if you
> wrapped yourself in wrong, poured a jerry-can full of wrong over
> yourself, and set yourself on fire.
>
> Actually, why don't you do that with a jerry-can full of petrol, it
> would improve the world in so many, many ways.
>
> For a start it would put you out of your misery, and, indeed, out of ours.
>
> Such a massive improvement to the universe from so simple a task, don't
> you think?
>
> But then, you don't think, do you?
>
> About time you go back in the kill-file with the other anencephalic lusers.
>

** You live in a Mental Hospital for insane autistics.

There is no escape or release.
You will rot to death in there.



..... Phil