Dejavu Altronics
David L. Jones
It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
http://www.altronics.net.au
It's owned by a couple of guys in QLD.
Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
Altronics name...
Dave.
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Phil Allison
"David L. Jones"
>
>I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
>
> It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
>
> http://www.altronics.net.au
>
> It's owned by a couple of guys in QLD.
** Andrew Cormack and Alan Spiers - right ?
Aka " A&A Multimedia" .
Bet they are just the guys who put up the web site and registered the dot
net.
> Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
> Altronics name...
** Absobloominlutely !!!
.... Phil
Don McKenzie
> "David L. Jones"
>> Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
>> Altronics name...
> ** Absobloominlutely !!!
Truth is, Jack can't do anything about it.
There are two Dontronics in the world, myself and one registered to a
South Australian TV repair company.
Google: "dontronics south australia"
I contacted Business registrations (this is way back in 1995) to find
out that each registration is only a state registration. There is no
such thing as an Australian national business registration, so every
state and territory can register the same business name.
At the time, I spoke to the "Don" of Dontronics in S.A., he was also
amazed, however as we didn't see a conflict of interest, we ignored it.
Mind you, if there was, it could have been very different.
Doesn't stop me getting the spam-phishing from China such as, "We have a
customer wishes to register the domains dontronics.com.cn, jp, .co.uk,
etc., etc. and for $75USD each domain, we can register these on your
behalf". :-)
Gee, thanks me old china!
Cheers Don...
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DavidW
You're not wrong, Phil.
Phil Allison
"Don McKenzie"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>> "David L. Jones"
>
>>> Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
>>> Altronics name...
>
>> ** Absobloominlutely !!!
>
> Truth is, Jack can't do anything about it.
** I think he very much can.
> There are two Dontronics in the world, myself and one registered to a
> South Australian TV repair company.
** No conflict - so no issue.
If there was a serious conflict, then one business can be made to change its
name.
In any case, the only " Altronics " registered with ASIC under:
"Altronics Pty Ltd " & " Altronic Distributors Pty Ltd ".
BTW:
This is the guy in Brisbane who put up the site " www.altronics.net.au".
http://www.spiers.net.au/index.html
.... Phil
Don McKenzie
> "Don McKenzie"
> In any case, the only " Altronics " registered with ASIC under:
>
> "Altronics Pty Ltd " & " Altronic Distributors Pty Ltd ".
>
> BTW:
>
> This is the guy in Brisbane who put up the site " www.altronics.net.au".
>
> http://www.spiers.net.au/index.html
Mine is registered as a business under the business names act 1962, not
as a company, so maybe Jack can do something.
And why did he use .net.au?
Will be very... interesting....
I'm sure there is more to come.
Trevor Wilson
"Don McKenzie" <5...@2.5A> wrote in message
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> Phil Allison wrote:
>> "David L. Jones"
>
>>> Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
>>> Altronics name...
>
>> ** Absobloominlutely !!!
>
> Truth is, Jack can't do anything about it.
>
**Truth is, he can and probably will do quite a lot. Lawyers and money can
achieve a great deal in these situations. Mr O'Donnell probably has plenty
of both.
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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
David L. Jones
> Phil Allison wrote:
>> "Don McKenzie"
>
>> In any case, the only " Altronics " registered with ASIC under:
>>
>> "Altronics Pty Ltd " & " Altronic Distributors Pty Ltd ".
>>
>> BTW:
>>
>> This is the guy in Brisbane who put up the site "
>> www.altronics.net.au". http://www.spiers.net.au/index.html
>
> Mine is registered as a business under the business names act 1962,
> not as a company, so maybe Jack can do something.
>
> And why did he use .net.au?
Because .com and .com.au were taken, and they knew it!
If A&A multimedia are just the innocent web designer here, then they should
have at least advised their client that it's probably not kosher to run a
retail business from a .net.au domain, especially given that another
established company already has the same existing domain name.
Also if I was the client I'd question as to why there are Facebook ads
already when the website isn't even finished. Not even basic contact or
"about" details.
Also, A&A have registered the clients domain name entirely in their name. I
don't know if this is normal practice, but I was of the understanding that
it goes in the clients name and you are just listed as the technical
contact.
> Will be very... interesting....
>
> I'm sure there is more to come.
No doubt!
Dave.
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Don McKenzie
> Also, A&A have registered the clients domain name entirely in their name. I
> don't know if this is normal practice, but I was of the understanding that
> it goes in the clients name and you are just listed as the technical
> contact.
I doubt that any business in their right mind, would want the web
designer to have control of the domain name.
Unless of course it was the same person, or the client was very naive in
common sense business practices.
Phil Allison
"David L. Jones"
** If you look at the page on car DVD players - the units offered have
screens attached to a 2-DIN box.
This means they will be visible to a car's driver.
It's illegal in Australia to drive a car with such a screen operating and
visible to the driver.
The ones usually offered for sale here have remote screens that attach to
the back of front seat head rests or else the roof of the car.
What gives ??
.... Phil
Mike Warren
They have a screen disable wire that's /supposed/ to be connected to
the hand brake.
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- Mike
Phil Allison
"Mike Warren"
** So it goes ON only when the brake is engaged ??
Why would anyone *actually* buy one with that massive draw back ??
Are handymen installers likely to wire it up like that ???
Shouldn't the advertising contain that crucial info ??????
...... Phil
Mike Warren
>
>"Mike Warren"
>>Phil Allison wrote:
>>>The ones usually offered for sale here have remote screens that attach to
>>>the back of front seat head rests or else the roof of the car.
>>>
>>>What gives ??
>>
>>
>>They have a screen disable wire that's supposed to be connected to
>>the hand brake.
>
>
>** So it goes ON only when the brake is engaged ??
Yes.
>Why would anyone actually buy one with that massive draw back ??
I don't know. A lot of these units also use the screen to display
normal stereo system info like radio frequency/CD tracks etc. That
still works even with the park brake wire grounded.
>Are handymen installers likely to wire it up like that ???
I very much doubt it. :-)
>Shouldn't the advertising contain that crucial info ??????
That would be nice, wouldn't it? :-)
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- Mike
keithr
the move.
https://shop.1wow.com.au/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=25
DavidW
I'm disappointed that Phil didn't take a bite.
Phil Allison
"DavidW"
** Bite who ??
I'm waiting to see who is lurking behind this scam.
BTW
My info is that the REAL Altronics are, as the famous lady said,
" ... not amused ".
..... Phil
Mike Warren
>BTW
>
>My info is that the REAL Altronics are, as the famous lady said,
>
>" ... not amused ".
Yep.
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- Mike
Phil Allison
"Phil Allison"
> http://www.altronics.net.au
>
>
> ** I'm waiting to see who is lurking behind this scam.
** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site ??
Who woulda thunk......
..... Phil
David L. Jones
> "Phil Allison"
>
>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>>
>>
>> ** I'm waiting to see who is lurking behind this scam.
>
>
> ** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site ??
>
> http://www.chinavasion.com/
It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are probably
dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and stuff for sale.
That's why the altronics.net.au stuff is shipped direct from the main
provider in China. All one needs to do is set up an affiliate website and
watch the bucks roll in, they don't have to lift a finger. But that won't
happen because odds are the real Altronics will get them shut down before
they even get it operational.
Bruce Varley
"David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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customer pulling power that hard to come up with?
Phil Allison
"Bruce Varley"
> "David L. Jones"
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site ??
>>>
>>> http://www.chinavasion.com/
>>
>> It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
>> probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and stuff
>> for sale. That's why the altronics.net.au stuff is shipped direct from
>> the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set up an affiliate
>> website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have to lift a finger.
>> But that won't happen because odds are the real Altronics will get them
>> shut down before they even get it operational.
>>
>>
> customer pulling power that hard to come up with?
** No business name is of ANY value until customers KNOW it !!!
Well known names have enormous value in the world of marketing goods and
services - the owners of such names are usually very keen to protect them
from all trespassers !!
If you can somehow latch onto an already well known name, you get a huge
free advantage over others - especially when Google searches on the name
are used to find your web pages.
.... Phil
Phil Allison
"David I. Jones"
>>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>
> It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
> probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and stuff
> for sale. That's why the atonics.net.au stuff is shipped direct from the
> main provider in China. All one needs to do is set up an affiliate website
> and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have to lift a finger. But that
> won't happen because odds are the real Altronics will get them shut down
> before they even get it operational.
>
** Appears to be operational right now.
If you click on "Add to Cart" and then " Proceed to Checkout" it all looks
like it is working.
Paypal have the trader's name down as being " Altronics ".
The REAL Altronics do not use Paypal.
... Phil
David L. Jones
> "David I. Jones"
>
>>>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>>
>> It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
>> probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and
>> stuff for sale. That's why the atonics.net.au stuff is shipped
>> direct from the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set
>> up an affiliate website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have
>> to lift a finger. But that won't happen because odds are the real
>> Altronics will get them shut down before they even get it
>> operational.
>
> ** Appears to be operational right now.
>
> If you click on "Add to Cart" and then " Proceed to Checkout" it all
> looks like it is working.
So it is, for those products that are actually up.
Still nothing in the "About" or "Contact" tabs though.
> Paypal have the trader's name down as being " Altronics ".
>
> The REAL Altronics do not use Paypal.
I'm assuming the real Altronics are readying their big stick...
David L. Jones
> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RQnMm.34382$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad...
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>> "Phil Allison"
>>>
>>>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** I'm waiting to see who is lurking behind this scam.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Who feels there are same spooky parallels with this Chinese site
>>> ?? http://www.chinavasion.com/
>>
>> It's obviously all just part of some big affiliate thing, there are
>> probably dozens or hundreds of websites with the same content and
>> stuff for sale. That's why the altronics.net.au stuff is shipped
>> direct from the main provider in China. All one needs to do is set
>> up an affiliate website and watch the bucks roll in, they don't have
>> to lift a finger. But that won't happen because odds are the real
>> Altronics will get them shut down before they even get it
>> operational. Dave.
>>
> with customer pulling power that hard to come up with?
Yep, incredibly dumb any way you look at it.
They went to the trouble and expense of putting up ads on Facebook, so in
that case almost any name would have done, no need to try and capitalise on
the real Altronics's name. And by copying a name you are in fact limiting
your potential business, because presumably there is no way they can
register another "Altronics Pty Ltd"
David L. Jones
> I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
> It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
> http://www.altronics.net.au
>
> It's owned by a couple of guys in QLD.
>
> Perhaps old Jack O'Donnell might have something to say about using the
> Altronics name...
>
> Dave.
I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)
So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".
Phil Allison
"David L. Jones"
>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>
> I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)
** Nope - it has just arrived.
> So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
> the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".
** Yep - he is clearly the owner and sole trader involved - the Paypal
account in the name of " Altronics " as I posted yesterday.
But that ABN is a new one, the previous one listed in connection with
the site was " 13 819 939 070 " which was for A & A Multimedia -
a partnership between himself and another fellow.
But the name " Altronics " is owned by the REAL Altronics in Perth
and Spiers has not registered it as a trading name cos he legally cannot.
He is illegally using the name in breach of the business names regulations
and the TPA.
..... Phil
TonyS
> David L. Jones wrote:
>
> I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there before?)
>
> Search:
> http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True
>
> So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the owner, and
> the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".
>
> Dave.
>
I just looked up Altronics at the abr web address and it says "92 009 291 294
ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. cancelled"
On my last receipt from Altronics the ABN is 84 177 396 871, which is listed on
this site as "The Trustee for ALTRONICS UNIT TRUST"
On http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c a search for Altronics says
ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. is registered, the same ABN that's cancelled on the abr website.
Beats me
Tony
David L. Jones
> "David L. Jones"
>
>>> http://www.altronics.net.au
>>
>> I just noticed an ABN number on the front page (was that there
>> before?)
>
> ** Nope - it has just arrived.
>
>
> http://www.abr.business.gov.au/%28xkh5hk45yha12x551lxjjqzo%29/search.aspx?SearchText=33+030+830+846&StartSearch=True
>
>> So Mr Spiers is not just the web designer, he is definitely the
>> owner, and the trading name is indeed listed as "Altronics".
>
>
> ** Yep - he is clearly the owner and sole trader involved - the
> Paypal account in the name of " Altronics " as I posted yesterday.
>
> But that ABN is a new one, the previous one listed in connection with
> the site was " 13 819 939 070 " which was for A & A Multimedia -
> a partnership between himself and another fellow.
>
> But the name " Altronics " is owned by the REAL Altronics in Perth
> and Spiers has not registered it as a trading name cos he legally
> cannot.
Yet he has been able to associate the name Altronics as a "trading name"
under the sole trader ABN according to my link above.
Whether or not that's usable/legal in practice I have no idea.
Phil Allison
"TonyS"
>
> I just looked up Altronics at the abr web address and it says "92 009 291
> 294 ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. cancelled"
** Cancelled in May 2004.
> On my last receipt from Altronics the ABN is 84 177 396 871, which is
> listed on this site as "The Trustee for ALTRONICS UNIT TRUST"
** Looks like they set up a trust to handle GST for both importing and
retail.
> On http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c a search for Altronics
> says ALTRONICS PTY. LTD. is registered, the same ABN that's cancelled on
> the abr website.
** The ASIC data base is not always current.
Likely there is no need to update changes in the ABN number with them.
Remember, ABN numbers are all about GST.
.... Phil
David L. Jones
> I just noticed an ad for Altronics on Facebook
> It's Altronics Jim, but not as we know it!
> http://www.altronics.net.au
"Server not Found"
Either a coincidental glitch in the matrix, or it's GONE!
Dave.
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Nik Rim
Same response here, looks to be still registered - maybe propagation
delay......
Whois response for altronics.net.au:
Domain Name altronics.net.au
Registrar ID PlanetDomain
Registrar Name PlanetDomain
Status ok
Registrant Alan Spiers
Registrant ID ABN 13819939070
Eligibility Type Partnership
Eligibility Name A&A MULTIMEDIA
Registrant Contact ID ID00284458-PR
Registrant Contact Name Alan Spiers
Registrant Contact Email al...@spiers.net.au
Tech Contact ID ID00284458-PR
Tech Contact Name Alan Spiers
Tech Contact Email al...@spiers.net.au
Name Server ns1.planetdomain.com
Name Server ns2.planetdomain.com