MESSAGE TO PHIL ALLISON
nos...@novirus.com.au
You have obvious technical ability. Please stop hiding it beneath
shoals of bad language, and try to keep your temper! Your reply will no
doubt prove my point (how's that for a reverse challenge - now he'll be
all nice!)
Phil Allison
<nos...@novirus.com.au>
>
>
> You have obvious technical ability.
** Obviously anonymous pigs like you have none.
> Please stop hiding it beneath
> shoals of bad language,
** The word is '" colourful" - dickhead.
This is usenet - a place of near total anarchy.
Not some 19th century Methodist church social.
> and try to keep your temper!
** Try to stop making false presumptions !!!!!
And go shove your asinine views where the sun don't shine.
............. Phil
nos...@novirus.com.au
nos...@novirus.com.au
Well, I think you've risen to the bait and proved my point entirely
(although I thought you would be subtly pleasant in reply - I was wrong
about any sublety - it is obviously easier (ie requires no use of the
brain) to respond in your usual way. So now I'll rise to *your* bait.
Yes, as you say, Usenet is a quite different place to a "19th century
Methodist church social". But it does not have to be polluted with
constant foul-mouthed yapping. It is indeed a wonderful medium, where
individuals can express their opinions freely, which I'm doing here.
Mine is that your language is tiresome and offensive and probably
immature. I know many people agree with that as they've also expressed
their likeminded opinions. But unfortunately, some have been goaded to
return your flames in kind, which is probably what you wanted. But you
will not succeed in getting me down to your murky level. Go ahead and
flame all you want - it will not provoke me to similar language beacsue
I prefer to communicate without clutter. I just wish you would use your
undoubted ability to help posters and stop portraying yourself in this
twisted way. I still think you know what you're doing, electronicswise,
so all this garbage is a real pity. As I said, it tends to hide your
ability.
Phil Allison wrote:
> ** Obviously anonymous pigs like you have none.
> ** The word is '" colourful" - dickhead.
> This is usenet - a place of near total anarchy.
> Not some 19th century Methodist church social.
> And go shove your asinine views where the sun don't shine.
> ............. Phil
(quite mild, by his standards, I suppose.)
But wait! There's more! Read on, dear reader, to see if he can muster
a scathing reply actually devoid of gutter language.
Mark Harriss
prevent Phil from being.., well Phil. He seems to be in
hiding over here at the moment, like some kind of zoo
monkey, shitting in it's hand and flinging it through
the bars of it's cage at the crowds.
Phil Allison
nos...@novirus.com.au
respond with suitably withering but clean-languaged reply. Meanwhile,
other threads have been polluted with his verbal graffiti. Come on
Phil. Stop hiding your light under a bushel. It takes no effort and no
intelligence to spout a string of obscenities. Instead, give us the
benefit of your undeniable wisdom (and here I am *not* being
sarcastic). He can do it folks, just give him a chance....
PS: I am not a troll
Phil Allison
<nos...@novirus.com.au.au...
> PS: I am not a troll
** Didn't some former US president say something like that ???
.......... Phil
nos...@novirus.com.au
Absolutely unmentionable!
Franc Zabkar
put finger to keyboard and composed:
This reminds me of the recent Four Corners documentary on US
prisons-cum-mental-asylums.
- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
TT
"Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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POT - KETTLE - BLACK!!!!!!
TT
TT
<nos...@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
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I'm sorry to say you are a slightly wrong here. "Quad Boy"
the "Toaster Repairer" from Summer Hill has successful blown
up 1 set of Quad ESL loud speakers over a week end while
tinkering with them and can put together some Jaycar kit
loudspeakers. Not much of a resume' eh? ;-)
I am a PA expert and have studied this sad little man for a
number of years now and I would strongly suggest you stay
anonymous because once this Troll gets hold of any
information about you he will plaster it all over UseNet and
defame you for ever.
The best policy is to ignore him and advise any potential
poster of the hazards of communicating with this Bipolar
Disorder sufferer. Yes he may even suffer Tourette's
Syndrome as well but I believe he just has a "Potty" mouth
:-) Obviously his Marist Brothers education was of little
help in bashing the nastiness out of him.
BTW you are quite correct in that once you get to know him
you can play him like a musical instrument and get him to
perform his tricks.
Like watch the answer to this. I will be accused of net
stalking, other criminal activities and be called a grease
monkey - amongst other things. So Phil *IF* you read this
save the wear and tear on your keyboard I will take it as
read.
Ciao TT
Michael A. Terrell
>
> BTW you are quite correct in that once you get to know him
> you can play him like a musical instrument and get him to
> perform his tricks.
Pissing on the furniture and trying to cuss like the big boys isn't
much of a trick.
--
Former professional electron wrangler.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
nos...@novirus.com.au
look. There was a long, well-worded post from Phil. about music, with
no swearing and it was actually very interesting, showing real knowlege
("which *%^& you have $%^&ing none of, you $#@#$er," will write Phil a
little sadly). It proves my point I think. he can be a good bloke. I
wonder what's the secret. There have been a couple of quite good posts
here too, so perhaps you're trying Phil. Good luck!
Didn't realise his school background though (in answer to another
post). As a matter of interest, I have formed the image of a lonely 22
year old, with a genuine interest, but possibly an addiction which helps
to make him easily angry most of the time. I wonder if I'm near the
mark.
Mark Harriss
> Hi Mark. I went over to one of the aus music/hifi groups to have a
> look. There was a long, well-worded post from Phil.
If you read a some earlier posts below this You'll find discussion
about his past behaviour and shennanigans and efforts tried by others
to limit his nastiness but in the end the chronic thick hide he has
means it's all a wasted effort. Lately in aus.hi-fi and
rec.audio.tubes he's been making an effort to be useful but it's
already showing signs of slipping.
Regards
Mark
TT
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:42BC4427...@earthlink.net...
Agreed ;-) But then Pavlov started out small to with his
puppy dogs.
Intent being "If you can train him *possibly* you can
eliminate the bad behaviour"
Very altruistic I know but hey your not allowed to shoot him
:-)
Regards TT
PS Cental Florida eh? I spent a week there in Sept. '99 at
Coronado Resort in Orlando and then drove down to Miami and
back up the west coast. You live in a very nice part of the
World - except you can keep Miami and drive on the wrong
side of the road ;-)
TT
<nos...@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi Mark. I went over to one of the aus music/hifi groups
to have a
> look. There was a long, well-worded post from Phil. about
music, with
> no swearing and it was actually very interesting, showing
real knowlege
> ("which *%^& you have $%^&ing none of, you $#@#$er," will
write Phil a
> little sadly). It proves my point I think. he can be a
good bloke. I
> wonder what's the secret. There have been a couple of
quite good posts
> here too, so perhaps you're trying Phil. Good luck!
>
> Didn't realise his school background though (in answer to
another
> post). As a matter of interest, I have formed the image
of a lonely 22
> year old, with a genuine interest, but possibly an
addiction which helps
> to make him easily angry most of the time. I wonder if
I'm near the
> mark.
Since you are interested I will give you a run down and then
you will see *why* he is like he is. This is cobbled
together from stuff that PA has actually posted so it is all
available with a Google.
Philip Martin Allison is nearly 60 yo, went to the Marist
Bros in Melbourne before moving to Sydney in the 60's to
attend Sydney Uni (not sure which one) he did 2 years of a
physics and maths course and then dropped out to work in a
electronics repair business where he learnt how to fix
stuff. He has *NO* formal qualifications and is not
licensed as anything. Several years after that he left
(because the company closed ???) and started fixing stuff at
home. He has a registered hobby business and an ABN, works
from a rented bed-sit in Summer Hill, Sydney supposedly
fixing guitar amps (and toasters).
He has never been married, lives alone, has no friends, does
not have a drivers licence, is walking distance to WES
components up the road and only owns antiquated lo-fi gear.
He also stays at home every Xmas and posts prolifically to
the net looking for anyone to take his angst out on. He
abhors success and successful people especially anyone with
formal qualifications. He hates not knowing information
about people and has even paid to do company searches on
people's businesses and has even accessed someone's criminal
record! Once he has gathered the information the aim is
totally discredit that person and to cause them as much
embarrassment as possible and he will continue to bring up
those points for ever! He has even advertised and offered a
reward for information leading to the identity of an
anonymous poster. If interested I have kept the post
"Wanted Dead or Alive".
As I said all this is on the record from the man himself.
Further it is the "Opinion" (I do stress that!!) of several
people that have training in medicine/psychology that he
suffers from Bipolar Disorder. It can also be seen that his
mood swings coincide with the phases of the Moon. What ever
the actual story is he seriously needs professional help.
The best way to deal with the person is to ignore him. Even
this is giving his ego a boost because it has sopped (again)
another whole group from getting on with life and discussing
OT stuff. The exact same discussion is currently happening
in aus.hi-fi right now.
IMHO PA is just a very sad, little old man with a huge ego
and is a total failure at life.
I hope this helps.
Cheers TT
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Agreed ;-) But then Pavlov started out small to with his
> puppy dogs.
>
> Intent being "If you can train him *possibly* you can
> eliminate the bad behaviour"
>
> Very altruistic I know but hey your not allowed to shoot him
> :-)
We could always use him to QC tasers on, in a production line. ;-)
> Regards TT
>
> PS Cental Florida eh? I spent a week there in Sept. '99 at
> Coronado Resort in Orlando and then drove down to Miami and
> back up the west coast. You live in a very nice part of the
> World - except you can keep Miami and drive on the wrong
> side of the road ;-)
Thanks. I've never been down to Miami, and its the tourist who drive
on the wrong side of the road. :) Actually, I'm a couple hours north of
Orlando now, but I used to live closer and worked there for several
years. My fist job in Florida was at ch 55 TV in Orlando as one of the
two broadcast engineers for a 5 MW ERP TV transmitter site and the 1749
foot tower near Orange City, a three hundred foot tower site in Lisbon
with the original 130 KW ERP, with studios in Leesburg and Orlando.
Terry Given
this helps how?
just ignore his rants and cherry-pick the gold, of which there is
plenty, alas often without enough detail to be as instructive as it
could be - he tends to write down the answer, leaving the working out.
Cheers
Terry
nos...@novirus.com.au
TT wrote:
A very informative screed, including...
Since you are interested I will give you a run down and then you will
see *why* he is like he is.... He has never been married..
Thanks TT.
Oh, I see more clearly now. I guessed he had never been married and was
about to make some remark to the effect that the lack of a fulfilling
relationship might be the problem. I was wrong about the age,
apparently, although I was going to suggest a 20 year old rather
immature for that age (say 17?). But if he's 60 then there sure is
something wrong. I guess now I know a bit more it's only fair to stop
winding him up - it's so easy, and just hope he gets better. As I said,
the occasional post seems quite knowledgeable and useful to me... If
only he would stop the foul-mouthing he might find real companionship on
the net... Good luck to Phil on his "hobby business" anyway - I wonder
if he has a website?
Phil Allison
"TT" = a really monstrous LIAR
>
> Since you are interested I will give you a run down and then
> you will see *why* he is like he is. This is cobbled
> together from stuff that PA has actually posted so it is all
> available with a Google.
>
> Philip Martin Allison is nearly 60 yo,
** Just turned 53.
> went to the Marist
> Bros in Melbourne before moving to Sydney in the 60's to
> attend Sydney Uni (not sure which one)
** There is only one University of Sydney - which I attended in the early
70s.
> he did 2 years of a
> physics and maths course
** I did two years of the Electrical Engineering, honours level course.
> and then dropped out to work in a
> electronics repair business where he learnt how to fix
> stuff.
** I knew how to build and fix "stuff" long before going to or leaving Uni.
> He has *NO* formal qualifications and is not
> licensed as anything.
** There simply are no licences needed to do electronics design or repair
work.
> Several years after that he left
> (because the company closed ???) and started fixing stuff at
> home.
> He has a registered hobby business
** There is no such thing as a " hobby business."
> and an ABN, works
> from a rented bed-sit in Summer Hill,
** It is not a bed-sit, as TT well knows.
> Sydney supposedly
> fixing guitar amps (and toasters).
** All manner of professional sound gear actually.
Plus some lighting and hi-fi gear.
> He has never been married, lives alone, has no friends,
** Funny about all those customers ( inc some famous ones ) and friends of
25 years standing keep dropping in to see me ......
> not have a drivers licence, is walking distance to WES
> components up the road and only owns antiquated lo-fi gear.
** I do not drive, but then neither does the Premier of NSW, Bob Carr.
I have a very fine hi-fi system.
Not a pile of HT crap like TT does.
> He hates not knowing information
> about people and has even paid to do company searches on
> people's businesses...
** Done over the net in seconds, anyone in business needs to check out
other business sometimes.
> and has even accessed someone's criminal record!
** That is an ABSOLUTE LIE !!!!
I have had no access to any criminal records.
> Once he has gathered the information the aim is
> totally discredit that person and to cause them as much
> embarrassment as possible and he will continue to bring up
> those points for ever!
** Bad luck if they have been lying about themselves - eh ???
> He has even advertised and offered a
> reward for information leading to the identity of an
> anonymous poster. If interested I have kept the post
> "Wanted Dead or Alive".
** That offer still stands.
> As I said all this is on the record from the man himself.
** Easy to say - shame it is all utter bullshit.
> Further it is the "Opinion" (I do stress that!!) of several
> people that have training in medicine/psychology that he
> suffers from Bipolar Disorder.
** ROTFL - the opinions of no-one with the tiniest clue or who has ever
met me.
> The best way to deal with the person is to ignore him.
** Funny how TT is doing the DIRECT OPPOSITE of that !!!!!
Maybe that is because Terrance Graham Tencer, a gearbox mechanic of Pelican
Point, Bunbury WA is a obsessive, paranoid schizo.
.......... Phil
nos...@novirus.com.au
You have exercised the right of reply, and have avoided foul language and used
plain language quite effectively. It has convinced me that you in the right
this time! But, the usual diatribes do not.
> ** There is only one University of Sydney
correct. The other in Sydney is the Uni of NSW
> ** There is no such thing as a " hobby business."
Right, although the ATO can treat a person as having a hobby rather than a
business per se, in which case none of the "expenses" (including depreciation)
are deductible from any income. Not sure if the income itself is taxed if
deemed as a hobby...
> ** I do not drive, but then neither does the Premier of NSW, Bob Carr.
True
> I have had no access to any criminal records.
Yes, I wondered about that too
nos...@novirus.com.au
I choose to be anonymous (which you understandably criticised earlier) because,
having once used my true email address on newsgroups, I then got (and still do)
heaps of pesky junk mail and phishing. So, assuming this eamil address is genuine,
how do you cope with that? It would just take too long and be tedious even for you
to flame them all!
TT
<nos...@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
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: Hi Phil
As you see I was not making this up. I really don't have
the time or inclination to document all the stuff about him
as I don't really care that much. Except I wish he would
just go away and leave the human race to get on with life.
The reason why I am responding is to demonstrate one point
here of how PA operates. Note I said "does not have a
drivers licence" to which he responds " do not drive, but
then neither does the Premier of NSW, Bob Carr". Now this
makes him sound very important and the point I made trivial
*BUT* the fact is Bob Carr probably does have a driver's
licence and his job makes it unnecessary where as PA does
not have the licence so therefore *Cannot* drive.
I know this is being pedantic but this is his "Modus
Operandi" in all discussions. He will gloss over a *very*
important fact to disguise his own opinion as the correct
one. Just so everyone is aware when arguing ( sorry when
being insulted) with this person.
As a note of interest ask him to post his "10 debating
cheats", a fine document on how to win arguments and of
course his speciality #10. When he has done this I will
show you where he plagiarised it from. At one stage in
aus.hi-fi we arguing by numbers, it was like a Chinese
take-away on a Friday night :-))
BTW he forgot to add he is also a "Latin Scholar". So to
him "Fac ut vivas."
Regards TT "Furnulum pani nolo"
PS for the rest of you see
http://www.geocities.com/krishna_kunchith/humor/greek-latin.html#codex
Franc Zabkar
to keyboard and composed:
>Didn't realise his school background though (in answer to another
>post). As a matter of interest, I have formed the image of a lonely 22
>year old, ...
Add about 30 years.
Here is Phil's life in Phil's own words:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/aus.electronics/msg/ac88e8305970ee56?dmode=source&hl=en
Phil Allison
"TT"
> : > I have had no access to any criminal records.
> :
> : Yes, I wondered about that too
> :
> As you see I was not making this up.
** You made nearly the whole lot up - you fucking LIAR !!
> I really don't have
> the time or inclination to document all the stuff about him
> as I don't really care that much.
** LIARS are careless.
> The reason why I am responding is to demonstrate one point
> here of how PA operates. Note I said "does not have a
> drivers licence" to which he responds " do not drive, but
> then neither does the Premier of NSW, Bob Carr". Now this
> makes him sound very important and the point I made trivial
> *BUT* the fact is Bob Carr probably does have a driver's
> licence and his job makes it unnecessary where as PA does
> not have the licence so therefore *Cannot* drive.
** Bob Carr has never held a driver's license.
It is not a criticism - just a fact.
> I know this is being pedantic but this is his "Modus
> Operandi" in all discussions.
** You are a fucking, criminal LIAR - Tencer.
> As a note of interest ask him to post his "10 debating
> cheats", a fine document on how to win arguments and of
> course his speciality #10. When he has done this I will
> show you where he plagiarised it from.
** You are a fucking, criminal LIAR - Tencer.
Maybe that is because Terrance Graham Tencer, a gearbox mechanic of Pelican
Point, Bunbury WA is a obsessive, paranoid schizo.
.............. Phil
Phil Allison
"Franc Zabkar"
>
> Here is Phil's life in Phil's own words:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/aus.electronics/msg/ac88e8305970ee56?dmode=source&hl=en
** There is very little about me in that.
Most of it is about an old school mate of mine.
Try to get your facts right - Frank.
Or I might use the "w" word again !!!
.......... Phil
nos...@novirus.com.au
he threw it away with a return to his usual language. Why can't you learn
Phil? You could achieve so much with reasoned coolness.
Phil Allison wrote: (hardly able to contain himself)
> ** You made nearly the whole lot up - you f**&%king LIAR !!
Phil Allison
TT
<nos...@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
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factuality post your full name and your town and you will
see in the coming weeks can happen.
BTW drop by aus.legal and aus.hi-fi to se how well PA goes.
Cheers TT
Here is the 10 debate cheats by Philip Martin Allison as
posted on the net. Read the link at the end to see where it
was plagiarised from.
------------------------------------------------------------
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There are at least ten recognised and popular ways of
cheating in a
discussion or debate - some are so common they seem quite
normal until the
fallacy is pointed out. Here is my list:
1. Argue from the particular to the general.
Reason that if a thing is true in a particular example then
it is true
in general. There may be little similarity between your
example and the
point in debate but your opponent will have to prove this
unless he spots
the fallacy. If he does then feign incomprehension.
2. Argue from the general to the particular.
Reason that if a thing is generally true then it must be
true in the
particular case in question. Refuse to agree that any
special circumstances
apply to the subject in debate. If your opponent points out
the fallacy of
generalisations then complain that he is making a
generalisation.
3. Beg the question.
Make a statement that can only be true if the debate has
already been
resolved in your favour, ie use your opinion to prove your
opinion. Totally
confounds the debate if the fallacy is not spotted by your
opponent. If it
is, state that everyone is entitled to their opinion.
4. Change the subject.
Done nonchalantly so your opponent doesn't notice this will
pull the rug
out from under him. If he realises and complains, pretend
your new subject
is the one under debate.
5. Quote the absent expert.
Declare an absent party to be an expert who supports your
case. He
possibly isn't an expert or wouldn't in fact support you but
your opponent
cannot debate this person or yourself on the point since he
is not
available.
6. Argue from a position of ignorance.
This is a powerful technique that operates on the principle
that
ignorance is knowledge. It works like this, because you
don't know a certain
proposition is false then you are entitled to presume it is
true. Almost
anything you like can be "proved" with this technique.
7. Produce a straw man.
Propose an example or analogy to the debate that has an
obvious outcome
in your favour, ie a "straw man" that can easily be knocked
down. The
analogy can be highly flawed but your opponent may be
trapped into proving
the straw man has no weight.
8. Make opinions into facts.
Claim anything you like is a fact, provide no supporting
evidence or
arguement and pretend that your opponent must disprove it
immediately or
else agree it is true. Also be sure to ignore his facts no
matter how well
supported. This will test his patience sorely and may cause
him to make
errors.
9. Produce a red herring.
Make a statement of known fact that appears to be relevant
and has the
potential to confuse the issue. An effective red herring
relies on your
opponent's failure to realise that it is not relevant to the
debate. If he
does, then accuse him of ignoring the facts.
10. Insult your opponent.
If all else fails, your opponent is calm and rational, spots
your traps
and exposes your fallacies and distractions every time then
resort to using
sneers, derision and personal jibes. Your opponent may lose
his temper and
that means you win!
---------------------------------------------------------
Postscript.
It is possible to combine two or more of the above
techniques for
increased power to prove anything. By combining #1 and #2
you can argue from
the particular to the particular, that is use one example to
prove something
about another unrelated one.
Better still, quote an example only you know about as this
makes you the
expert. If your opponent falls into the trap of asking
questions about the
example then you are in a position to say whatever you like.
A proficient cheat employs all the above techniques in every
debate. He
jumps easily from one fallacy to the next in order to keep
his opponent from
making any headway. He may not convince his opponent of
anything that he is
saying but will have the satisfaction of having done most of
the talking and
kept control over the discussion.
When the opponent becomes annoyed with this "barrage of
bullshit" the
cheat will call the debate off saying that: "we are just
going around in
circles" which is of course not only true but was his real
aim all along.
This is known as having the last word, a form of parting
blow or insult. A
cheat knows that you never lose a debate that YOU finish!
But most of you aready know all this.
Regards, Phil
____________________________________________________________
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see http://www.searchlores.org/schopeng.htm for the original
long version
By the way Phil 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10...... ad
nauseum..................