Phone battery question.

[John_H]

After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
options are nicad or Ni-MH.

Which way should I go?

If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

--
John H

[Xeno]

Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it? Will the in-built charging system
suffice for a Ni-MH battery? I generally replace like for like in those
circumstances and use NiCad to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple
set of those phones and it was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than
bother with a set of 3 batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

--
Xeno


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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Rod Speed]

Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

> John_H wrote

>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>> Which way should I go?
>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

> Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?

You can with most Panasonics.

> Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?

It is with Panasonics that are designed to take either.

> I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad
> to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it
> was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than bother with a set of 3
> batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

I always got cordless phones with standard AA batterys, so that never
happened with those.

[Rod Speed]

John_H <john...@hotmail.com> wrote

> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
> options are nicad or Ni-MH.

> Which way should I go?

Ni-MH.

> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?

About the same time again.

> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsungmobile
> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.

But that is a Li ion battery so quite different.

[Trevor Wilson]

**If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
requirements.


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[John_H]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
>On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>
>> Which way should I go?
>>
>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>
>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>
>
>
>**If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
>you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
>requirements.

It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
unsure as to whether it really matters.

--
John H

[John_H]

Oops, my mistake.

--
John H

[John_H]

Xeno wrote:
>On 31/7/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>
>> Which way should I go?
>>
>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>
>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>
>Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?

Both types are available to fit it. Both have the same plug.

>Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?

Dunno, that's why I'm asking. Both are the same voltage but presumbly
later phones have smart chargers... or so I've been told.

>I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad to replace NiCad.
>That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it was cheaper to buy a new set of
> *phones* than bother with a set of 3 batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.

--

John H

[John_H]

Rod Speed wrote:
>Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> John_H wrote
>
>>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>> Which way should I go?
>>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>
>> Can you use a Ni-MH battery in it?
>
>You can with most Panasonics.

It's an early Telstra Nomad. The last replacement would've come from
Wes who no longer list the model.

>> Will the in-built charging system suffice for a Ni-MH battery?
>
>It is with Panasonics that are designed to take either.
>
>> I generally replace like for like in those circumstances and use NiCad
>> to replace NiCad. That said, I had a triple set of those phones and it
>> was cheaper to buy a new set of *phones* than bother with a set of 3
>> batteries. Yes, they were all on the way out.
>
>I always got cordless phones with standard AA batterys, so that never
>happened with those.

--
John H

[Sylvia Else]

If it predates NiMH, then it's unlikely to be designed to charge them
properly.

Stick with what's known to work.

Sylvia.

[Trevor Wilson]

**It can matter. Use NiCads.

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

> On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
> > Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
> >>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
> >>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
> >>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
> >>>
> >>> Which way should I go?
> >>>
> >>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
> >>>
> >>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
> >>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
> >> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
> >> requirements.
> >
> > It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
> > It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
> > unsure as to whether it really matters.
> >
> **It can matter. Use NiCads.
>

** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.



...... Phil

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> John_H wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote

>>>> John_H wrote

>> >>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> >>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>> >>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>> >>>
>> >>> Which way should I go?
>> >>>
>> >>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>> >>>
>> >>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> >>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is
>> what
>> >> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
>> >> requirements.
>> >
>> > It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
>> > It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
>> > unsure as to whether it really matters.

>> It can matter. Use NiCads.

> Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what
matters.

> Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

> Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

Irrelevant to what John should use.

[Trevor Wilson]

**WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo). CDS cells are
also available from a number of sources in Australia. The EU does some
weird shit, like insisting on insane protection systems on relatively
low powered amplifier speaker terminals. For large amps, it makes some
sense, though I am unaware of anyone who has been killed by contacting
speaker terminations. I suppose it could happen with a 1,000 Watt @ 8
Ohm amplifier and a person with a weak heart and/or a secure connection
to both terminals across the heart. Oh, and with the amplifier being
driven by low frequency sine waves. Music is unlikely to cut it.

[Xeno]

On 1/8/2022 5:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement).  The current
>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>
>> Which way should I go?
>>
>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>
>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>
>
>
> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
> requirements.
>
>

Yes, that was my thought on the topic. Use the same as it had, can't go
wrong.

[Phil Allison]

Rod Speed Fuckwit Idiot wrote:
==========================

> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.
>
> > Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.
>
> Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what
> matters.

** But we do not make them here and few companies make them at all now.
New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!!

> > Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

> Irrelevant to what John should use.

** Massively relevant to finding any.



...... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================

>
> >> **It can matter. Use NiCads.
> >>
> >
> > ** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.
> >
> > Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

> **WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

** So fucking what ?
FYI:

Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all.
Any NiMH AA works just fine.

> CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

** So fucking what ?

> The EU does some weird shit,

** And controls at least half the world's marketplace.


........ Phil

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.

>> > Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
>> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

>> Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what
>> matters.

> But we do not make them here

Irrelevant. The phone it is going into isn't made here either.

> and few companies make them at all now.

Irrelevant. Clearly someone still does.

> New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!!

So is the phone. If John wants to keep using that phone,
a NiCad battery is the only sensible thing to use.

>>> Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

>> Irrelevant to what John should use.

> Massively relevant to finding any.

He doesn't want one.

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote

>> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.

>>> Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

>>> Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

>>> Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

>> WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

> So fucking what ?

So those who need to maintain devices that were designed
to use NiCads can still get some of the best NiCads available.

> FYI:

> Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all.
> Any NiMH AA works just fine.

Irrelevant to what JOHN should use in his phone.

>> CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

> So fucking what ?

So your shit about what the EU has stupidly done is irrelevant.

>> The EU does some weird shit,

> And controls at least half the world's marketplace.

But not ours, so who cares what those fools do.

[John_H]

I failed to mention that the nicad is twice the price but there's also
a possibility they'll no longer be available further down the track.
Nor do I want the hassle of replacing the phone as the cradle is
screwed to the wall.

Consequently I've decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
another 15 years..

Thanks to all who replied.

--
John H

[Rod Speed]

John_H <john...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote

>> John_H wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote

Thanks for the washup, too rare imo.

[Phil Allison]

John_H wrote:
============

>
>
> I failed to mention that the nicad is twice the price

** You never mentioned what size: AA, AAA or button cell pack ?

> but there's also
> a possibility they'll no longer be available further down the track.

** Very few made any more.

> Nor do I want the hassle of replacing the phone as the cradle is
> screwed to the wall.

** Poor diddums.

> Consequently I've decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
> another 15 years..

** Wot an pie eyed optimist.

Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years old.


..... Phil

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John_H wrote:
>> Consequently I've decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
>> another 15 years..
>
> ** Wot an pie eyed optimist.
>
> Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years old.

Does that matter? My experience with rechargables (though I'm not
sure about NiCds in particular) has been that old but never-used
batteries have good performance similar to new.

SLAs may be an exception, my leaving those on a shelf doing nothing
for a few months has often turned out to be a death sentence. Very
annoying given how pricy they are.

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[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote
> John_H wrote

>> I failed to mention that the nicad is twice the price

> ** You never mentioned what size: AA, AAA or button cell pack ?

He did say connector and since its an ancient cordless phone,
it isnt likely to be any of those.

>> but there's also
>> a possibility they'll no longer be available further down the track.

> Very few made any more.

>> Nor do I want the hassle of replacing the phone as the cradle is
>> screwed to the wall.

> Poor diddums.

>> Consequently I've decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
>> another 15 years..

> Wot an pie eyed optimist.

Nope, thats what the previous batterys delivered.

[John_H]

Phil Allison wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>============
>>
>>
>> I failed to mention that the nicad is twice the price
>
>** You never mentioned what size: AA, AAA or button cell pack ?

Call pack. 2/3AA.

>> but there's also
>> a possibility they'll no longer be available further down the track.
>
>** Very few made any more.
>
>> Nor do I want the hassle of replacing the phone as the cradle is
>> screwed to the wall.
>
>** Poor diddums.

Yep, holes to plug but painting is the worst part. The colours never
match and I certainly don't wish to repaint a room.

>> Consequently I've decided to stick with nicad and hope it lasts
>> another 15 years..
>
>** Wot an pie eyed optimist.

The previous two did. :)

>Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years old.

Dunno about that, Wes still list Japanese nicad cells (Sanyo or
Panasonic) although that may cease at any time in the future.

Not sure that age matters much either as they seem to last forever
until the first charge.

Which raises yet another. Current model Sennheiser cordless
headphones use nicads as do the cordless headphones from Wes. I
certainly don't want to throw the Sennheisers away. :(

--
John H

[Phil Allison]

John_H wrote:
============

>
> >Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years old.
> Dunno about that, Wes still list Japanese nicad cells (Sanyo or
> Panasonic) although that may cease at any time in the future.
>
> Not sure that age matters much either as they seem to last forever
> until the first charge.

** Absurd crap.

NiCds do not usually have a long shelf life.
They corrode and leak if allowed to go flat.
Just like Alkaline cells do.



..... Phil

[John_H]

Why don't the 10 year old ones leak?

--
John H

[Phil Allison]

** They fucking do !!
I have seen may items destroyed by leaking NiCds, including some of my own.


FYI I do electronics repair for a living.

.... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Phil Allison wrote:
==============

> >
> > Why don't the 10 year old ones leak?
> ** They fucking do !!
> I have seen may items destroyed by leaking NiCds, including some of my own.
>

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NiCd_VARTA_battery_leakage_on_circuit_board_%28IMG_3313%29.jpg


..... Phil

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 09:51:07 +1000, Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> John_H wrote:
> ============
>>>>
>> >> >Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years
>> old.
>> >> Dunno about that, Wes still list Japanese nicad cells (Sanyo or
>> >> Panasonic) although that may cease at any time in the future.
>> >>
>> >> Not sure that age matters much either as they seem to last forever
>> >> until the first charge.
>> >
>> >** Absurd crap.
>> >
>> > NiCds do not usually have a long shelf life.
>> >They corrode and leak if allowed to go flat.
>> >Just like Alkaline cells do.
>>
>> Why don't the 10 year old ones leak?

> They fucking do !!

He clearly knows that his previous ones didn't.

> I have seen may items destroyed by leaking NiCds, including some of my
> own.

Irrelevant to whether better designed ones don't.

> FYI I do electronics repair for a living.

In fact you are a dole bludger.

[Clocky]

On 31/07/2022 8:12 am, John_H wrote:
> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>
> Which way should I go?
>
> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>
> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>

Go like for like. It will probably outlast the phone.

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