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Neosapienis

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Jan 16, 2010, 3:21:12 PM1/16/10
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Hi all,

Last week after a 2 week break out in the bush, I logged into Skinbook
only to find that I had been banned from the site. No explanation,
and no response from the site's admin when I emailed them to ask why.
This was quite irritating, but it got me thinking just who exactly is
in charge of that network?

Since its inception in late 2008, many members have been suspended or
banned with no prior warning or reason and a number of forum posts
deleted without warning, other than the fact that some of the sites
moderators did not like the way they were going when they became
divisive.

Apparently one of the main admins is not even a practicing nudist, and
another one is a bully who would even personally attack some of the
forum members when he disagreed with their opinion.

Is this the kind of image that the naturist and nudist movement really
wants to be projected on the broader world? If so, then I'm sorry to
see it going that way.

For those who use the Ning networks, I have since started up a new one
based on honesty, openness, integrity and common sense at:

http;//internationalnaturistsandnudists.ning.com

Check out the rules and regulations on the forum before you sign up to
join it. :)


Dario Western

Marc

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Jan 16, 2010, 3:50:00 PM1/16/10
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On 16/01/2010 20:21, Neosapienis wrote:

>
> Check out the rules and regulations on the forum before you sign up to
> join it. :)
>

Poorly thought out, sexist and homphobic rules. :-(

Neosapienis

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Jan 17, 2010, 8:52:38 AM1/17/10
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Bullshit! You don't know what you're talking about. I am neither a
sexist nor a homophobe, and in fact one gay friend of mine has joined
the group. Kindly show us which rules are sexist and homophobic.

Zee

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Jan 17, 2010, 9:06:53 AM1/17/10
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see how you are Dario...you been in and out of just about every nekkid
group on the web an finally you figured out that they all come and go
but the ol rec nude has taught you a lesson...the honesty and rawness
of rec nude last forever...jz

Marc

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Jan 17, 2010, 1:13:47 PM1/17/10
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On 17/01/2010 13:52, Neosapienis wrote:
> On Jan 17, 6:50 am, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>> On 16/01/2010 20:21, Neosapienis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Check out the rules and regulations on the forum before you sign up to
>>> join it. :)
>>
>> Poorly thought out, sexist and homphobic rules. :-(
>
> Bullshit! You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm glad to see that your veneer of goodwill has been shown to be false
so quickly. Is this the way you will deal with all those who point out
faults in your managment?

I am neither a
> sexist nor a homophobe,


I didn't say that you were.

and in fact one gay friend of mine has joined
the group.


Tokenism doesn't alter cases.


> Kindly show us which rules are sexist

Pictures of women are protected from comments but not men's

>and homophobic.


Pictures of couple can only be of M&F

Anything else you need explaining?

I note you didn't query the poorly thought out bit!

Zee

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Jan 17, 2010, 1:44:54 PM1/17/10
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uh huh....lanes sock puppet militant wanting to venture into the world
of illegal social nudity when they have had their same sex nudity
legal for thousands of years.....miltancy has no bounderies....jz

Pete Knight

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Jan 17, 2010, 4:13:08 PM1/17/10
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On 16 Jan, 20:21, Neosapienis <westernor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last week after a 2 week break out in the bush, I logged into Skinbook
> only to find that I had been banned from the site.  No explanation,
> and no response from the site's admin when I emailed them to ask why.
> This was quite irritating, but it got me thinking just who exactly is
> in charge of that network?
>
> Since its inception in late 2008, many members have been suspended or
> banned with no prior warning or reason and a number of forum posts
> deleted without warning, other than the fact that some of the sites
> moderators did not like the way they were going when they became
> divisive.
>
They don't seem to like anyone standing up to them, I've just been
suspended too, with Cheri Alexander on the list of Skinbook exiles I
feel I'm in good company.

My dispute was over a comment by an admin just before locking the
thread on Steve Gough, his comments were potentially libelous and
unwarranted. Fortunately I saved the page where the libelous comment
was made, so deletion of that won't help them.

Happy days!

Pete

Seymour Cox

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Jan 18, 2010, 4:10:12 AM1/18/10
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On 17 Jan, 21:13, Pete Knight <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote:

{snip}

> They don't seem to like anyone standing up to them, I've just been
> suspended too, with Cheri Alexander on the list of Skinbook exiles I
> feel I'm in good company.
>
> My dispute was over a comment by an admin just before locking the
> thread on Steve Gough, his comments were potentially libelous and
> unwarranted. Fortunately I saved the page where the libelous comment
> was made, so deletion of that won't help them.
>
> Happy days!
>
> Pete

CCBN don't seem to like anyone standing up to them either, because
they've wiped quite a few people out of their members forum over the
last few years too. The truth, they say, often hurts and the only way
people of limited intellect can deal with unpleasant truths is to
shoot the messenger. They lack the intellectual skills necessary to
rebut them with well reasoned counter argument. That is exactly what
CCBN and Skinbook are doing.

Zee

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Jan 18, 2010, 7:03:11 AM1/18/10
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bawahahahehe.....soooo 100 years ago they say folks sit and laughed
about what people said about things and others....and the nudist came
along and said hey look at us....we even go so far as walking around
with our dicks hanging out and showing em to little kids....cuz we
want the kids to be open and accepting of all of the human
being....and now the way the nudist behave is even worse.....maybe you
guys need to cover up for a 100 years and then start all over
again.....and get it right next time.....he he......jz

Zee

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Jan 18, 2010, 7:19:50 AM1/18/10
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On Jan 16, 2:21 pm, Neosapienis <westernor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dario...i have not read your rules.....but it would be interesting to
see what a discussion group on nudity would be like if the only
moderation was eliminating all the posters that stated they were going
to kill file another poster.....it would be ok to killfile but just
dont tell anyone....like....dont ask dont tell.......regards...jz

Neosapienis

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Jan 19, 2010, 6:57:38 AM1/19/10
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> dont tell anyone....like....dont ask dont tell.......regards...jz- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You've summed up SB in a nutshell there Jonzeee. ;-)

Marc

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Jan 19, 2010, 1:56:14 PM1/19/10
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On 19/01/2010 11:57, Neosapienis wrote:

>>
>>> Check out the rules and regulations on the forum before you sign up to
>>> join it. :)
>>
>>> Dario Western
>>
>> Dario...i have not read your rules.....but it would be interesting to
>> see what a discussion group on nudity would be like if the only
>> moderation was eliminating all the posters that stated they were going
>> to kill file another poster.....it would be ok to killfile but just
>> dont tell anyone....like....dont ask dont tell.......regards...jz- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You've summed up SB in a nutshell there Jonzeee. ;-)

Apart from not summing anything up you mean?


Now then , about your flawed and bigoted rules, thought any more about them?

Neosapienis

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Jan 19, 2010, 11:32:51 PM1/19/10
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Hi Marc,

> Apart from not summing anything up you mean?
>
> Now then , about your flawed and bigoted rules, thought any more about them?

I tried to respond to you yesterday but my computer froze up and lost
the whole message. Grrrr!!

Anyway, with assertions that the rules are sexist and anti-gay, here
is my take on them: Just because you observe the differences in the
ways the sexes interact it does not mean that you are sexist. I do
not prevent anybody from posting comments on profiles, especially when
commenting on photos.

What I am against is some of these COGs (Creepy Old Guys), and some
CYGs who sign up to nudist websites and networks not because they are
interested in nudist activities but because they get a kick out of
hassling and tormenting the female members. And sadly there are some
females who quit nudist and naturist activities because of the actions
of a few thoughtless individuals who are male more often than not. I
agree with what SB says on their disclaimer "Being hassled by idiots?
Don't you leave, make THEM leave!"

As for anti-gay rules, well it's a bit more difficult to explain but
here goes. On many network sites there are individual users who post
up photos of themselves with a member of the same sex as their avatar
photo. For people who do not know them it's confusing to work out
which one is them. If they are a male/female couple and post as being
a couples account then it's easier. Then again the South East
Queensland nudists group had a husband and wife couple on it a few
years ago called Kim & Ros.

After reading a few reader's posts addressed to them on the group it
turned out that the husband's name was Kim and his wife's name was Ros
(short for Rosalind). ;-)

Hope that explains it.


Dario

Neosapienis

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Jan 19, 2010, 11:36:48 PM1/19/10
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For Jonzeee's benefit (and that of other group members), here are the
rules of the I.N.N site which I've cut and pasted:

Profile:

1) Your profile must contain a current headshot of yourself, or a full
body shot if you so desire. Anonymous photos, closeups of buttocks,
genitalia and breasts, photos with other people (unless you are a m/f
couple), and photos nicked from other sites are not acceptable.

2) It is preferred that you use your real name on your profile or a
handle that is pertinent to naturism. For example 'NatureBoy1973' is
acceptable, 'WickedNekkidGangbangKing' is not.

3) Do not post sleazy or negative comments onto other member's
profiles. Treat others the way you you want to be treated. If there is
something you wouldn't say to another person in real life, then don't
do it on here either. Anyone who disobeys this rule will get a two
strike warning followed by banning.

4) State whom you want to meet, and respect other member's decisions
to do likewise. For instance, if you are a single guy and you see a
couple's profile which states they are only interested in meeting
other couples then don't send them a friend request, move onto
somebody else.

5) Do not post any information on your profile that you would not
otherwise want to share with others in real life. If your profile
contains unsavory, illegal or illicit interests you will be reported
to Ning.

PHOTOS

1) Photos posted on your profile must be your own. Make sure they are
marked and copyrighted as your own. No hardcore or explicit imagery
will be allowed - any nude photos must be tastefully composed.

2) Use JPG, GIF or PNG files as imagery as they are the most
convenient photo files.

FORUM

1) Post threads in the appropriate categories. Any threads or posts in
the wrong categories will be moved.

2) When posting news stories, it is best to use the site http://www.tinyurl.com
as the link as some links can be quite cumbersome and don't show in
their entirety.

3) Whilst debating and having difference of opinion on many things is
healthy, refrain from name-calling. In short if you can't agree with
another member on a certain topic then agree to disagree agreeably.

4) Do not bump threads up which are over a year old.

5) Use a spell-checker to review your posts before broadcasting them
so that they can be easily read and understood, especially if English
is not your first language.

BANS AND SUSPENSIONS

*Unlike Skinbook, INN will not ban or suspend anybody without prior
warning*. You will only be banned if:

1) You post pornographic imagery or sexually compromising photos of
yourself on your profile.
2) You leave defamatory or sleazy comments on member's pages,
especially female members.
3) You post a member's private details on the forum
4) You post spam on the forum such as money making opportunities,
pyramid selling, links to porn sites or online pharmacies

GROUPS

1) Only one group dedicated to a certain facet of naturism is allowed.
For instance if there is a group already dedicated to interests like
photography, exercise, massage, single guys, gay and lesbian people
then don't start another one with the same agenda. Duplicate groups
will result in the newer one being deleted.

VIDEOS

1) Videos must be your property on your profile. If you wish to share
a video from another site, then simply post the URL to it.

EVENTS

1) You are welcome to post events on this network whether it be your
own or one with a group or club that you are a member of.

2) If reporting about an event, be factual about it and refrain from
hyperbole.

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:01:28 AM1/20/10
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> years ago called Kim& Ros.

>
> After reading a few reader's posts addressed to them on the group it
> turned out that the husband's name was Kim and his wife's name was Ros
> (short for Rosalind). ;-)
>
> Hope that explains it.

It does, the rules are sexist and homophobic, I'm glad you cleared that
up.

Neosapienis

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:37:11 AM1/20/10
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Marc,

> It does, the rules are sexist and homophobic, I'm glad you cleared  that

> up.- Hide quoted text -


>
> - Show quoted text -

Why not do some study in logic and reasoning before making sweeping
statements? I do not condone homophobia (literally a fear of
homosexual people) or sexism (showing favouritism of one gender over
the other).

The reality is that on sites where women post nude imagery of
themselves for others to see they are more vulnerable to getting
inappropriate and sleazy comments than guys are, plus they react to
them differently. Do I have to explain everything to you, or are you
simply trying to bait me?

Hamish

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Jan 20, 2010, 5:35:07 AM1/20/10
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Marc is very good at baiting people, some say he is a master
baiter. Hamish

Duncan Heenan

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Jan 20, 2010, 6:09:31 AM1/20/10
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"Hamish" <ast...@supanet.com> wrote in message
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-----------------------------
Glad you tossed that in.

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:10:57 PM1/20/10
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You pair have obviously got the situation in hand , and are beating
your brains out.

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:17:11 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 06:37, Neosapienis wrote:
> Marc,
>
>> It does, the rules are sexist and homophobic, I'm glad you cleared that
>> up.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Why not do some study in logic and reasoning before making sweeping
> statements?


See below!


I do not condone homophobia (literally a fear of
> homosexual people) or sexism (showing favouritism of one gender over
> the other).

But do make rules that allow both?


>
> The reality is that on sites where women post nude imagery of
> themselves for others to see they are more vulnerable to getting
> inappropriate and sleazy comments than guys are,

Awwwwww is the nasty man ( me) having a go at you because you are trying
to protect the poor vulnerable Sheilas? In addition to sexist you just
added patronising to the description of your rules.

plus they react to
> them differently.

All of them, every single woman, reacts differently to every single man,
there is no common ground at all? What was that you were saying about
logic and sweeping statements?

Do I have to explain everything to you,


You don't have to explain anything to me, I can see why your new venture
is doomed to failure already.

or are you
> simply trying to bait me?

I just call em as I see em, I'm not bothered about your reaction.

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 2:06:53 PM1/20/10
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marc..i still think you are a sock puppet but you do have a great
perspective on things....try to see it this way.....Dario knows rec
nude is the ultimate source of truth but you cant make a lonely hearts
club out of rec nude....maybe netnude....so let those lonely ol girls
and guys have their place in the sun and of course let all the
political correctness of their kind be in place without
fanfare.....geesh....have a heart.....we all know that homos are not
interested in hetero social nudity so one or two here and there does
not hurt anything...and of course women of the lonely type seem fond
of overwhelming security when joining a bunch of guys and they being
the extreme minority....let the boys have some fun.....it will not
last long and it will end in disgust.....sooooo now you get my
drift......jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 2:09:55 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 19:06, Zee wrote:
> sooooo now you get my
> drift......jz


Nope, as usual your post is a jumble of disjointed garbage that is not
worth taking the time to try and decipher .

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 2:15:09 PM1/20/10
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well you queers sure are fast....i just pushed the send button....i
represent the truth here and everyone responds as they have no problem
understanding what i say...but you being a queer....lanes sock
puppet..... has no problem lying....so rave on heathen...i can handle
it.......jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 2:31:07 PM1/20/10
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You think I'm gay and a sock puppet, (Or at least I think that's what
you think, you aren't the clearest of communicators) Oh you ARE funny!

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 2:58:23 PM1/20/10
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look why be an idiot too....here you come to rec nude where the worlds
greatest offenders of social order is located and start talkin bout
political correctness.....only an idiot would find that to have
credibility among such social outcast.....talkin bout funny ....that
is very out of line among nudist that claim nudity is not sexual while
children are jackin off in nude environment....even Dario knows these
things and does not deny it....but an idiot like you preachin gay
rights and female protectionism ...anything is expected....jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:11:30 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 19:58, Zee wrote:
> On Jan 20, 1:31 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>> On 20/01/2010 19:15, Zee wrote:> On Jan 20, 1:09 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20/01/2010 19:06, Zee wrote:
>>
>>>>> sooooo now you get my
>>>>> drift......jz
>>
>>>> Nope, as usual your post is a jumble of disjointed garbage that is not
>>>> worth taking the time to try and decipher .
>>
>>> well you queers sure are fast....i just pushed the send button....i
>>> represent the truth here and everyone responds as they have no problem
>>> understanding what i say...but you being a queer....lanes sock
>>> puppet..... has no problem lying....so rave on heathen...i can handle
>>> it.......jz
>>
>> You think I'm gay and a sock puppet, (Or at least I think that's what
>> you think, you aren't the clearest of communicators) Oh you ARE funny!
>
> look why be an idiot too....here you come to rec nude

I understood that bit, well done . Unfortunately you are making
yourself look even more foolish( if that's possible) by failing to
notice that this thread is Xposted to two ( that's 2!,ie 1 and another
one) other NGS apart from the swamp that is rec.nud


where the worlds
> greatest offenders of social order is located and start talkin bout
> political correctness.....only an idiot would find that to have
> credibility among such social outcast.....talkin bout funny ....that
> is very out of line among nudist that claim nudity is not sexual while
> children are jackin off in nude environment....even Dario knows these
> things and does not deny it....but an idiot like you preachin gay
> rights and female protectionism ...anything is expected....jz


The you started babbling again and I gave up wasting time trying to
dredge corrupted syntax from mangled grammar , fanciful spelling and out
and out weird punctuation.

Lane

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:19:44 PM1/20/10
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Marc <initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in
news:Zc6dnVwFS41mxMrW...@bt.com:

It is amusing that he things you're my sock puppet. Apparently, there is
only one person in the world that would defend gay rights and anyone
else is a sockpuppet.

For what it's worth, I don't quite get your campaign against Dario. You
made a decent point about perceptions, but it doesn't seem to me that
there is anything really pernicious going on.

--
Lane

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:22:04 PM1/20/10
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> and out weird punctuation.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

wow....so aside from being an idiot ..now the ol 10 year ol spelling
bee contender is bitchin bout punct..and sentence structure....hey
what a cop out and plea for lenency....i know when i speak in rec
nude it bleeds out all over the depraved internet as i do occasionally
check em out and sure enough ...there ol cheri Dario and pete knight
talkin bout kids jackin off and sure enough they insert what i said in
rec nude and of course you are probably one of those cross posters
too....and i just snicker a little even when they impose some elses
lies and claim i said it....hell when we are talkin bout the epic
center of depravity on planet earth....who gives a fuck....jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:41:46 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 20:19, Lane wrote:
> Marc<initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in
> news:Zc6dnVwFS41mxMrW...@bt.com:
>
>> On 20/01/2010 19:15, Zee wrote:
>>> On Jan 20, 1:09 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20/01/2010 19:06, Zee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sooooo now you get my
>>>>> drift......jz
>>>>
>>>> Nope, as usual your post is a jumble of disjointed garbage that is
>>>> not worth taking the time to try and decipher .
>>>
>>> well you queers sure are fast....i just pushed the send button....i
>>> represent the truth here and everyone responds as they have no
>>> problem understanding what i say...but you being a queer....lanes
>>> sock puppet..... has no problem lying....so rave on heathen...i can
>>> handle it.......jz
>> You think I'm gay and a sock puppet, (Or at least I think that's
>> what
>> you think, you aren't the clearest of communicators) Oh you ARE
>> funny!
>>
>
> It is amusing that he things you're my sock puppet.

To many words's He's amusing" would have done, and I can't see any other
use for him, for the amount of effort he puts into his posts it's all
wasted because he can't make his message understood.

Apparently, there is
> only one person in the world that would defend gay rights and anyone
> else is a sockpuppet.


This isn't about "gay" right or "female" rights this is about my rights
, gay , female, straight, black, disabled all are only a few steps from
me even if they don't include me, yet. Pastor Niem�ller was right.


>
> For what it's worth, I don't quite get your campaign against Dario.

I haven't got a campaign against Dario, he came into my "local" moaning
about a ( competing)private club that he had been thrown out of( and
it's rules) and how he had set up a club of his own. This club of his
has some rules which were ill thought out and others that put Gay people
at a disadvantage and patronised women at the expense of men. I pointed
that out and he started trying to first defend his restricted
perspective and limited worldview and then started to wibble on about
"logic" when it was obvious that he wouldn't know what logic was if it
bit him on the bum!


You
> made a decent point about perceptions, but it doesn't seem to me that
> there is anything really pernicious going on.
>

I suppose the only two pernicious things are Dario trying to parasite
off Usenet to pump up his own club and him not being able to see that
he's as hypocritical and potentially randomly despotic as the club he
was whinging about.

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:45:14 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 20:22, Zee wrote:
> who gives a fuck....jz

I understood that bit.

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:48:09 PM1/20/10
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i know...those black haitian three years old did too....jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 3:51:45 PM1/20/10
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Was that meant to read...

"I know, those black Haitian three year olds did too"?

It still didn't make sense, I wonder why you bother. The object of
communication is to communicate, if you are trying to make a point you
fail, time and time again.

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 4:01:08 PM1/20/10
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you are obviously an idiot for asking such a question.....you can lose
your 10 year ol personna by limiting your whiny kindergarten
spewing....and take it like a man.....jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 4:05:15 PM1/20/10
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Nope , failed again, no idea what your talking about.

Zee

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Jan 20, 2010, 4:19:50 PM1/20/10
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> Nope , failed again, no idea what your talking about.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -
just read the words and forget all other punctation....can you drive a
car without fenders on it.....can you drive a car without hub caps on
the wheels....can you drive a car without a/c...can you drive a car
with a radio....well i can tell ya i can...if you say you did not
understand these words between the dots....then you prove what my ol
lady is sayin to me.....honey these guys are all pathological liars
from birth and some are even queers.....jz

Marc

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Jan 20, 2010, 4:27:20 PM1/20/10
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On 20/01/2010 21:19, Zee wrote:
> On Jan 20, 3:05 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>> On 20/01/2010 21:01, Zee wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2:51 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20/01/2010 20:48, Zee wrote:> On Jan 20, 2:45 pm, Marc<initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/01/2010 20:22, Zee wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> who gives a fuck....jz
>>
>>>>>> I understood that bit.
>>
>>>>> i know...those black haitian three years old did too....jz
>>
>>>> Was that meant to read...
>>
>>>> "I know, those black Haitian three year olds did too"?
>>
>>>> It still didn't make sense, I wonder why you bother. The object of
>>>> communication is to communicate, if you are trying to make a point you
>>>> fail, time and time again.
>>
>>> you are obviously an idiot for asking such a question.....you can lose
>>> your 10 year ol personna by limiting your whiny kindergarten
>>> spewing....and take it like a man.....jz
>>
>> Nope , failed again, no idea what your talking about.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> just read the words and forget all other punctation

Nope,English requires punctuation,otherwise it's gibberish, and there is
no point going any further into the gibberish. It's your choice, you can
try and communicate in the same format that others use, or you can be a
gibbering buffoon who's message gets ignored or laughed at, if read at
all. Can someone let me know if he ever starts trying to communicate
instead of just corrupting white space?

Zee

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> instead of just corrupting white space?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

yeah buddy....so when someone communicates with you they have to write
it down with punctuation....you must be deaf....is that true....the
spoken word has no punctuation....and i would say that a kid of mine
that was ten years of age or older that acts like you do....with
contempt for folks that do not write with punctuation....i would write
a sentence and tell him to explain what i said verbally....and if he
failed i would bust his ass with my belt....and then write another
sentence and ask him to explain it...and if he did not he would get
his ass busted again.....and i bet 10.000 dollars to a dollar he would
be able to explain it.....so hey you friken idiot punk....who are you
kidding and you are the one that doth not have a brain or moral....so
fuck off from rec nude....you and lane are the only queers that have
been in rec nude for the 10 years i have been here...and you are
nothing but hate freaks and sickos....so fuck off or explain what your
interest is in hetero nakedness....to fuck some ladies man in the
ass....tell us you fuckin sicko freak why you are here......jz

Roger L Hale

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In article <9ce34ac2-9059-4fc2...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,

Neosapienis <wester...@gmail.com> wrote:
>For Jonzeee's benefit (and that of other group members), here are the
>rules of the I.N.N site which I've cut and pasted:
>
>Profile:
>
>1) Your profile must contain a current headshot of yourself, or a full
>body shot if you so desire. ... photos with other people (unless you are a m/f
>couple) ... are not acceptable.

As you indicate the reason for this rule is to prevent confusion, perhaps
this could be improved:

... photos with other people (unless you identify yourself among them) ...

This would avoid needless discrimination and the perception of same, as well as
confusion by ambiguous names (such as Kim and Ros, or Jules and Jim).

>BANS AND SUSPENSIONS
>
>*Unlike Skinbook, INN will not ban or suspend anybody without prior
>warning*. You will only be banned if:
>

...


>2) You leave defamatory or sleazy comments on member's pages,
>especially female members.

Here, too, if you drop the needless language 'especially female members',
it will be a better rule all around. In principle, defamatory or sleazy
comments are offensive whereever they appear, regardless of who you expect
are more likely targets of them, or who you expect will be more upset by
them.

With best regards,
spinclad

Neosapienis

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Hi Roger,

> >2) You leave defamatory or sleazy comments on member's pages,
> >especially female members.
>
> Here, too, if you drop the needless language 'especially female members',
> it will be a better rule all around.  In principle, defamatory or sleazy
> comments are offensive whereever they appear, regardless of who you expect
> are more likely targets of them, or who you expect will be more upset by
> them.

The rule is set in reality. Women usually get more sleazy comments
over nude photos of themselves on the web than the guys do. SB
recognised this as well, they're not naive.

When I placed ads for a nudist youth group in the paper in the early
90's, everyone was polite and civil when I answered the phone. When I
was out of the house and my younger sister or mum answered the phone
the callers (who were all guys) started trying to talk dirty to them.


Dario

David Looser

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"Neosapienis" <wester...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Roger,


> The rule is set in reality. Women usually get more sleazy comments
> over nude photos of themselves on the web than the guys do. SB
> recognised this as well, they're not naive.

So what? You are missing the point. The fact that women get more sleazy
comments than men does emphatically *not* require you to put a mention of
that in a rule. The rule applies to everyone, period.

Likewise there was no need, absolutely no need at all, to provide a specific
exemption for mixed-sex couples from the rule about photos. All you've
acheived by doing so is to create a rod for other people to beat you with.

Try using a bit of thought in future!

David.


Marc

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Jan 25, 2010, 1:13:34 PM1/25/10
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On 25/01/2010 10:32, Neosapienis wrote:
> Hi Roger,
>
>>> 2) You leave defamatory or sleazy comments on member's pages,
>>> especially female members.
>>
>> Here, too, if you drop the needless language 'especially female members',
>> it will be a better rule all around. In principle, defamatory or sleazy
>> comments are offensive whereever they appear, regardless of who you expect
>> are more likely targets of them, or who you expect will be more upset by
>> them.
>
> The rule is set in reality.

It might well be set in aspic , it would still be discrimatory.

Women usually get more sleazy comments
> over nude photos of themselves on the web than the guys do. SB
> recognised this as well, they're not naive.

You are mixing up quantity and quality and seem to be saying that it's
OK to make sleazy comments about men or even make them about women as
long as you don't make more about women than men! You really are
confused about how to write workable rules, aren't you?


>
> When I placed ads for a nudist youth group in the paper in the early
> 90's, everyone was polite and civil when I answered the phone. When I
> was out of the house and my younger sister or mum answered the phone
> the callers (who were all guys) started trying to talk dirty to them.

So it's not acceptable to "talk dirty" to women but it is to men?

Zee

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Jan 25, 2010, 2:02:45 PM1/25/10
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only a queer would pose that question.....Dario you are doing it right
as your site should be for male and female relations only....way to
go.....jz

Marc

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Jan 25, 2010, 2:08:07 PM1/25/10
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It seems not.

Zee

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> It seems not.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

look idiot....you are on the job trying to train yourself to be a
troll.....the art of being a top notch troll in the game of sex for a
male...is to impress most of the males and swoon and subdue most of
the females....females nature is to tease and conceive....and the
males job is to practice the act of causing conception as many times
as he desires successfully....strange about females as they love the
guy that has it down to a science.....sorry you are obviously a
failure in all respects.....but it is not expected of a queer of
course......jz

Marc

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Jan 25, 2010, 2:45:34 PM1/25/10
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Nope, writing in bollocks mode again, so was ignored. Do you ever get
fed up of failing to get your point across?

Zee

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> fed up of failing to get your point across?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

of course being a chronic liar from the beginning makes you the
original poster boy loser....jz

Cheri Alexander

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Jan 27, 2010, 9:33:38 AM1/27/10
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You're in good company,Dario.

There are other ning communities I like including http://FreeRangeNudist.ning.com

:) Cheri
www.travelites.info

Cheri Alexander

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On Jan 16, 3:50 pm, Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
> On 16/01/2010 20:21, Neosapienis wrote:
>
>
>
> > Check out the rules and regulations on the forum before you sign up to
> > join it.  :)
>
> Poorly thought out, sexist  and homphobic rules. :-(

I was removed as not only as a moderator but as a member when the
admins were sent the message that mods could not longer remove members
for gross inappropriate activity. We could only approve photos or not
and if a photo was not nudist, we could only write the perpetrator a
message and not remove him/her.

I alerted the masses what was going on and subsequently was removed.
When my sister posted where I could be found and some Travelites'
events, she was removed. I just think the site owners are young,
have no idea how to market nudism./naturism and don't think about what
repercussions might be to their actions.

Regards, Cheri
www.travelites.info

Dario Western

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Jan 28, 2010, 2:29:26 PM1/28/10
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So you think that the stick is more effective than the carrot regarding a
child's learning abilities? I used to get beaten both physically and
verbally by teachers when I was little over my slow learning and it did
nothing to make me a better student. When I was in high school, my guidance
counsellour did some tests on me and said that I was dyslexic, not in the
sense that I couldn't read or write (which I could), but that I had a
processing problem with being able to understand and assimilate information,
particularly if it was very lengthy.

For many years it was considered abnormal until the whole ADD and finally
ADHD epidemic came about. These days the majority of kids and teens have
the same problem that I had when I was younger, especially when it comes to
using internet groups and forums.

Beating them up in order to make them better students will not solve the
problem. Read the old fable from Aesop about the sun, the wind and the
traveller and learn something from it. :)

--

Best wishes,

Dario Western

"In order to be what you want to be you've got to learn to be everything
you're not" - Alicia Moore (aka P!nk)
(07) 3267-6789
(0437) 428-859

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Zee

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Jan 28, 2010, 5:00:18 PM1/28/10
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On Jan 28, 1:29 pm, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:

> So you think that the stick is more effective than the carrot regarding a
> child's learning abilities?  I used to get beaten both physically and
> verbally by teachers when I was little over my slow learning and it did
> nothing to make me a better student.  When I was in high school, my guidance
> counsellour did some tests on me and said that I was dyslexic, not in the
> sense that I couldn't read or write (which I could), but that I had a
> processing problem with being able to understand and assimilate information,
> particularly if it was very lengthy.
>
> For many years it was considered abnormal until the whole ADD and finally
> ADHD epidemic came about.  These days the majority of kids and teens have
> the same problem that I had when I was younger, especially when it comes to
> using internet groups and forums.
>
> Beating them up in order to make them better students will not solve the
> problem.  Read the old fable from Aesop about the sun, the wind and the
> traveller and learn something from it.   :)
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> "In order to be what you want to be you've got to learn to be everything
> you're not" - Alicia Moore (aka P!nk)
> (07) 3267-6789
> (0437) 428-859
>
> http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­---------------------------------------------------------------------------­---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--------------------"Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> ass....tell us you fuckin sicko freak why you are here......jz- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Dario....the belt incident was an illustration of a totally normal
child being sullen and rebelling...this is normal for children at some
ages..... do you have a problem seeing the difference when reading
ngs.....of course there is not enough space in the internet and enough
time left before the next big bang to endure all the arguments about
corporal punishment that the world can think of ......so please try to
understand especially when you write your book...jz

Marc

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Jan 28, 2010, 5:20:59 PM1/28/10
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On 28/01/2010 22:00, Zee wrote:

>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Dario....the belt incident was an illustration of a totally normal
> child being sullen and rebelling...this is normal for children at some
> ages.....


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bored now, another chance to communicate wasted.

Pete Knight

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Jan 29, 2010, 10:24:55 AM1/29/10
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On 28 Jan, 19:29, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:

>
> yeah buddy....so when someone communicates with you they have to write
> it down with punctuation....you must be deaf....is that true....the

> spoken word has no punctuation....> yeah buddy....so when someone communicates with you they have to write


> it down with punctuation....you must be deaf....is that true....the
> spoken word has no punctuation...

The spoken word has inflection, which written grammatical punctuation
is intended to convey, so although you're technically right, it's
clear that you have absolutely no idea why. I, like Marc, have given
up trying to read your jottings, the words are meaningless the way you
arrange them, and requires more effort to interpret than it proves to
be worth.

Speaking in monotone, without pause or drawing breath would be the
spoken equivalent of your illiterate jottings, that is to say,
unintelligible and boring.

Pete

Zee

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Jan 29, 2010, 11:45:31 AM1/29/10
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petey boy.....i wish i could say i believe you but since folks like
you that post in little kiddie masturbation and incestuous nudist
family ngs.....i think you are so inflamed about my pointing you out
that you are fabricating a lie as folks like you are so inclined.....jz

Marc

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On 29/01/2010 16:45, Zee wrote:

>
> petey boy.....i wish i could say i believe you but since folks like
> you that post in little kiddie masturbation and incestuous nudist
> family ngs.....i think you are so inflamed about my pointing you out
> that you are fabricating a lie as folks like you are so inclined.....jz

Gobbleydegook, complete bollocks , like the verbal spewings of a 3 yr
old. I'm reminded of Eric Morecambe's retort to Andre Previn, "I'm
playing all the RIGHT notes, but not neccessarily in the right order!"
Each of the words of Zee's text is English but the sum of the parts is
far less than the whole and results in something that is completely
unintelligable. I'm sure that he probably means it to be insulting, but
the effect is totally lost by the meaning being obscured due to the
oddity of his communication "style" . I wonder what persuades someone
to waste their own time in posting something which so many people tell
him they won't read, and what makes him so determined to keep doing it?

Duncan Heenan

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"Marc" <initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in message
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> On 29/01/2010 16:45, Zee wrote:
>> petey boy.....i wish i could say i believe you but since folks like
>> you that post in little kiddie masturbation and incestuous nudist
>> family ngs.....i think you are so inflamed about my pointing you out
>> that you are fabricating a lie as folks like you are so inclined.....jz
>
>SNIP< I wonder what persuades someone to waste their own time in posting
>something which so many people tell him they won't read, and what makes
>him so determined to keep doing it?

And I wonder why you waste your time posting about it. Clearly he isn't
going to learn or go away as a result. All you do is show him that someone
IS actually reading the rubbish he amuses himself with. Surely to ignore it
totally would be more appropriate? Or does it amuse you to slate other
people just for the sake of doing that?
--
Duncan Heenan

Marc

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Jan 30, 2010, 4:50:42 AM1/30/10
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On 30/01/2010 08:58, Duncan Heenan wrote:
> "Marc" <initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in message
> news:8JidnVfLBv7Uhv7W...@bt.com...
>> On 29/01/2010 16:45, Zee wrote:
>>> petey boy.....i wish i could say i believe you but since folks like
>>> you that post in little kiddie masturbation and incestuous nudist
>>> family ngs.....i think you are so inflamed about my pointing you out
>>> that you are fabricating a lie as folks like you are so inclined.....jz
>>
>> SNIP< I wonder what persuades someone to waste their own time in
>> posting something which so many people tell him they won't read, and
>> what makes him so determined to keep doing it?
>
> And I wonder why you waste your time posting about it.

Boredom at random times.

Dario Western

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Jan 31, 2010, 11:07:20 PM1/31/10
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Hey Pete,

That's hilarious, are you trying to turn me into JonZeee? ;-)

--

Best wishes,

Dario Western

"Political correctness is the delusion that it's possible to pick up a piece
of shit by the clean end"
(07) 3267-6789
(0437) 428-859

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