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*LittleChinaGirl*

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May 8, 2001, 5:17:43 AM5/8/01
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...is the most important to you?

I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
for thought.

Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

The most important sense to me would undoubtably be sight. I would
really rather die first than lose my sight. So many of the things
which make up my life is dependent on it- art, film, theatre, reading,
imagery in general. Despite the fact that I'm stuck in this law
degree, I still consider myself to be an artist/thespian/writer at
heart- and losing my sight would greatly debilitate those pasttimes.

My own memories are based primarily on images- what people look like,
expressions, surroundings, details, colours, tone etc. Colour and
light and images are so heartbreakingly important to me.

Following at a close second is hearing. Music is very important to me,
although art and literature have always taken precedent. Not being
able to hear violin and piano, or my favourite melody, or dance to the
rhythm of my favourite song would suck pretty badly.

Not being able to taste things would kind of piss me off too, but I'd
live. Food isn't all that important to me anyway, in terms of quality
of life.

Touch...that's a difficult one. I'd miss feeling the touch of others,
but it's something which I haven't really considered.

Smell...while there are certains smells I'd miss (perfume, the smell
of rain, the smell of different cities), I'd live without it.
Certainly more happily than if I'd lost my sight.

What is your favourite sense?

*LittleChinaGirl*
(who, ironically, is short-sighted)

Lilith

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May 8, 2001, 5:42:33 AM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* <h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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> ...is the most important to you?
>
> I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
> for thought.
>
> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

Tough call!

First - Sight - the colours of the sky just before a storm, then the rainbow
afterwards, the look on your lover's face at *that* moment...

Second - Hearing - I couldn't imagine a world without music or laughter, for
many years I've been losing my mid-range due to early exposure to loud music
without ear plugs and call centre work and this worries me

Third - Touch - cats' fur, velvet, skin, hair - I'm a very tactile person

Fourth - Smell - rain, sweat, perfume, pheromones - a particular scent can
trigger a memory, whether pleasant, bad or bittersweet.

So that leaves Taste - I love food and drink, and to use my tongue, but I
would sacrifice Taste to keep the other senses.

Liz


Spyinthesky

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May 8, 2001, 6:01:37 AM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* <h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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> ...is the most important to you?
>
> I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
> for thought.
>
> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

Sight would be mine. I often wonder how they hell I'd manage if I went blind
all of a sudden. I don't think I would. I'd be one of those people who turn
into a bitter, nasty soul after they've had a serious accident or illness.
Then hearing. I would hate not being able to listen to my favourite bands or
have a conversation with someone.
Then....Probably touch. Actually, put touch and hearing about the same.
Touch is very important to me mainly in a relationship sense-hugs are good.
(And all the rest)
Smell I could live without. I have a sensitive nose so I'd probably be
better off.
Taste I could live without, though not as easily as I do love my food.
Although having no sense of taste would make it easier to eat better-you'd
probably end up healthier!

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george-seinfeld.

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Cam

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May 8, 2001, 8:25:53 AM5/8/01
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On Tue, 08 May 2001 09:17:43 GMT, h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
(*LittleChinaGirl*) wrote:
>...is the most important to you?

Sight, without a doubt. Seems most people go for that one. Dunno what
I'd do were I struck blind.


Cam
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Kitsune

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May 8, 2001, 8:38:55 AM5/8/01
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On Tue, 08 May 2001 09:17:43 GMT, h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au (*LittleChinaGirl*)
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>...is the most important to you?
>
>I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
>for thought.
>
>Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
>most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?
>

<snippage>

I think I could live being blind, or deaf.

However, as I've experienced the sights and sounds that we normally take for
granted, there is way to much that I'd miss.

I think if anything I would sacrifice my smell.

Reasoning for this is.
- I like to see things... eye candy is important to me.
- I like to hear things... knowing what something sounds like as well as looks
like can be good. (specially in the dark)
- touch is an all important...specially when we live in a world of textures
(like velvet, satin, skin)
- taste, though I can live without, I'd rather keep (imagine a life without
being able to tell the diff types of coffee just by taste)
- losing the sense of smell means not being able to smell some really irritating
scents (and hopefully it also means my allergies would go)


Kitsune, it brings to mind an old bedtime story...

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Maccad

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May 8, 2001, 10:00:17 AM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote:

> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

1. Sight. I love to read.I would never be able to read another Platinum
Grit, or Clive Barker novel, or chocolate bar wrapper, ever again. I
wouldn't be able to pick the flaws in any animated movies made by
companies less wealthy than Disney. I wouldn't be able to draw without
sight (well, I could, but it would be rather abstract) I think if I had to
choose between my life and sight, I'd be six feet under. It's *that*
important to me.

2. Hearing. My God, what a world it would be like to never again be able
to hear another drunken round of "Danny Boy" Oh Danny Boy, the pipes the
pipes are caaaalling . . . but you can't hear them 'cause you're bloody
well deaf!

3. Taste. I'm all about the food. No more hungry jacks grilled chicken
burgers? ARGH! But you can't really taste that well without your sense of
smell, can you? Aren't the two related? In any case, next up would be

4. Smell. That metallic, smoky, foul smell that means I'm in the city, but
yet is a good smell as it also likely means I'm out and about for a good
time. Certain smells can send me crazy. Mostly those attached to spunky
others who . . . oh, never mind.

5. Touch. I don't like being touched. Contact with other things is just
unsettling. if i concentrate on the sensation of my fingers typing on this
keyboard it feels clumsy and unsettling. The tactile can go. Shoo. Shoo.
Touch is good, but I wouldn't miss it too much in comparison.

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Slave Angel

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May 8, 2001, 9:50:47 AM5/8/01
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"*LittleChinaGirl*" <h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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> ...is the most important to you?
>
> I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
> for thought.
>
> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

hmmm tough.
I'd probally lose the sense of smell if i really really had a choice and it
was inevitable. maybe next would be sight. I could live with being blind I'm
sure.

i couldn't lose touch though.. that would have to be the most important
sense.

A*
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old man tapping out 'little spanish flea' on a boiled egg, whilst wearing
suspenders, board shorts and one of those hats that says 'boob
inspector'.~Dead Seraph.


Alistair W Smith

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May 8, 2001, 6:09:36 PM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote:
>
> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

It's a pain that it has to be one of those...

I would sacrafice my smell. In fact it would be better if I didn't have
a smell.

Trayce

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May 8, 2001, 6:29:19 PM5/8/01
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On Tue, 08 May 2001 09:17:43 GMT, h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
(*LittleChinaGirl*) wrote:

>...is the most important to you?

I'm going to go against the grain somewhat, and say that a tie for
most important for me is sight and smell. I wouldnt want to lose my
sight simply because I don't think I'd deal with not being able to see
(I hate it that my eyesight is bad as it is).

Smell, to me, is so important. It is the unconcious means by which we
sense other people, it has its basis in ancient parts of our brain and
instinct that we are not aware of most of the time. If I couldnt smell
good food or coffee, or the familiar, warm smell of a lover, or those
sudden snatches of an old, forgotten scent that suddenly floods a
long-forgotten memory into you.. I'd die if that was gone.

Touch goes along with this, as everything tactile is so good =)

Taste... well, if you lose smell you lose taste right? Ive never
understood why those two senses are separated, but anyway...

And hearing I could lose. I really think I could, if I truly had to,
live in the world of the deaf. For starters, I have such a vivid aural
memory that I'd not really be in silence, I could just sit submerged
in mental sounds. And I know sign language, so I'd do ok communicating
;)

I love my music, and I wouldnt want to have no hearing *and* no memory
of what I've heard up til now, but as long as theres a universe of
memory in the mind it'd be dealable.

Trayce (sensurround!)
--
"Sight, scent, sense, sound touch, taste, you" (Throwing Muses, "A
Feeling")
trace @ connect.net.au

Alistair W Smith

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May 8, 2001, 6:34:35 PM5/8/01
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Trayce wrote:
>
> Taste... well, if you lose smell you lose taste right? Ive never
> understood why those two senses are separated, but anyway...

Hate to annoyingly butt in here... different parts of the tongue can
sense different things like sweet/sour/whatever, but you're right that
when people say taste they mostly mean smell, plus the physical feeling
of food, which is sense.

Al.

Alistair W Smith

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May 8, 2001, 6:36:05 PM5/8/01
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Trayce wrote:
>
> Taste... well, if you lose smell you lose taste right? Ive never
> understood why those two senses are separated, but anyway...

Hate to annoyingly butt in here... different parts of the tongue can
sense different things like sweet/sour/whatever, so that's taste. But


you're right that when people say taste they mostly mean smell, plus the

physical feeling of food, which is touch.

Al.

Morgan Jaffit

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May 8, 2001, 7:26:47 PM5/8/01
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In article <3af7b651...@news.bigpond.com>, *LittleChinaGirl* wrote:
>...is the most important to you?
>
>I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
>for thought.
>
>Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
>most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

Sight first. Stop me reading and I will die. Without literature, I cannot
idle. I'm entirely incapable of pushing my mind into "relax" without a
boox/magazine/brochure/sports pages. If I happen to get on public
transport without reading material, I will read anything that is there.

Repetatively. Obsessively.

The concept of being unable to read terrifies me beyond all else.

Everything else, take it or leave it. If I had to throw one, I'd be smell
- I suffer from hayfever, and barely have a sense of smell anyways.

entrippy (read that!)

Tim Hamilton

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May 8, 2001, 9:11:52 PM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote:
> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

I'd probably value touch the most, I'd hate losing any of the other
four, but losing my sense of touch means I go numb for the rest of my
life. I'd probably go nuts without that feedback after an hour or two.

> What is your favourite sense?

Hearing. I am more connected emotionally to my hearing than any other
sense. Sight is marvellous and my senses of taste, touch and smell have
actually improved over recent years, but I love the sound of someone
reading poetry when they are really into it. Or the voices of those I
care about. The sound of thunder, it's all good.

Tim

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing" - Edmund Burke

Hobbes

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May 8, 2001, 9:44:35 PM5/8/01
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>*LittleChinaGirl* <h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
>news:3af7b651...@news.bigpond.com...
>> ...is the most important to you?
>>
>> I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
>> for thought.
>>
>> Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
>> most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?
>
Sight - if I couldn't read or write I'd go insane. I'd at least have
to be able to read.

Touch - I have a green fuzzy blanket thats my best friend - it also keeps
me sane.

I've always had pretty crap hearing - Industrial deafness caused by listening
to to much industiral music goes the joke - but the reality is that
when there is any level of back ground noise I find it incredibly
difficult to hear anything. Thats why I tend to be quiet in pubs and
clubs - because I can't hold a conversation without lots and lots of
effort.

I lost my hearing completely last year - I experieinced sudden sensory
nueral hearing loss. What this was was 100% hearing loss in one ear and
about 80% hearing loss in the other ear. It was absolutely fucking
terrifying. It was probably caused by some of the arthiritis drugs I was on
at the time. I spent two weeks with my world being a silent buzzy place - from
incessant tinnitis in my head. And most of the nights crying. I couldn't
hardly hear people talking too me, I notice the phone was ringing but pick
it up and not hear the person on the other end. And the heavy drugs
they put me on to try and bring it back were like being only really bad
jittery speed for two weeks.

It was absolutely terrifing - and I'm lucky I'm not deaf...my hearing is
steadily getting worse tho.

I'm tending towards keeping the sub-titles on movies and stuff while watching
dvd's these days.

I could learn to cope without sound - I wouldn't enjoy it - but I'd learn,
it also entails ppl around me learning.

Taste...hmmmI've spent most of my life hating food - and am just learning
to enjoy it..i'd be sorry to miss it.

Smell - take it or leave it.

Loosing site would kill me. Touch is also very important - the other three
hhmmmma less important but still hate to loose any off them.

Hobbes

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Lilith

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May 8, 2001, 10:57:56 PM5/8/01
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"Hobbes" <hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote in message
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> I've always had pretty crap hearing - Industrial deafness caused
by listening
> to to much industiral music goes the joke - but the reality is
that
> when there is any level of back ground noise I find it incredibly
> difficult to hear anything. Thats why I tend to be quiet in pubs
and
> clubs - because I can't hold a conversation without lots and lots
of
> effort.

You too? I hate having to say "pardon"? I feel that people think
I'm not really listening and will lose interest :-(

Liz (speak up!)


Sandro

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May 8, 2001, 10:57:15 PM5/8/01
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h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au (*LittleChinaGirl*) wrote:
>....is the most important to you?

>I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so
>here's one for thought.

>Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you
>value the most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

<snippage>

Well.

Losing Sight: that would be hard, but I think I could live as a
blind person, especially if I could learn to type in braille form
, whilst my eyesight is perfect, my grasp on reality has always
been tenuous, so I rarely trust what I see.

Losing Smell, Taste: I pretty much lost these years ago, which
I don't really miss.

Losing Touch: This would mean I would not be able to physically
perceive the external world. It also means I'd never be able to
have sex again since the body can't feel physical stimuli. I
think I could live without it.

Losing Hearing: I usually have tunes et al floating around in my
head even when I'm listening to music, so the memory would remain
even if the faculty were lost.

Thus, the senses I could do without the most are all of them,
rendering me an insensate brain floating in a jar, as long as I
could still think. Most valued would probably be hearing.

Sandro - ask any smoker, it's the same story re: smell / taste

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Thorfinn

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In aus.culture.gothic, on 8 May 2001 23:26:47 GMT

*grin* We really do run the same brainOS, don't we. :)

Need sight. Very large chunks of my brain are tied to seeing and
seeing related things [0]. I think I'd cope without, but it would
take a really massive amount of readjustment. Reading and such is
necessary to occupy my brain. Also, I generally read and speak fluent
human body-language... this is somewhat difficult to do without sight.

Hearing comes about second, I think, because it ties into the motion
tracking systems, and also into so much of human communication,
whether it's speech or music, or whatever.

Touch comes next, because, well, it's so critical to me. Mind you,
this divides up into subcategories for me here... there's sensory
touch stuff, which I would miss somewhat, and there's kinesthetics[1]
and proprioception[2], which I would *really* miss if they went away.

After all, I'm a martial artist. I have *serious* levels of
proprioception, to the point of being capable of (I don't *use* this
all the time, because it takes a silly amount of brain processor
time...) sensing and controlling, 2-3 degree angle changes in all
components of my body as I'm moving them. I get *very* weirded out
when I can't do this... it's one of the major reasons I don't drink
alcohol very often.

Alcohol fucks with proprioception, a *lot*, and my brain doesn't cope
well with that.

Taste, yeah, I like tastes... Tastes are fun. The major tastes going
missing would hurt, because my sense of smell is so *crap* generally
anyway...

Smell, well, yeah. I do like smells... but I'm partially allergic to
a whole *bunch* of stuff... which means that I generally can't smell
anything anyway, unless I get up close and personal with it. I'd miss
it for reasons of food (food in mouth being "tasted" is generally
being "smelt" not tasted...) suddenly tasting really crap without
it...

But it's probably the least important day-to-day sensation to me. I
could put up with food being crap, but a very very vast proportion of
"what I do" is vision related... It's not all vision *necessary* (I
could learn braille, get speaking computers, etc)... but it would
make life a *lot* more difficult without it.

Ook,

Thorf

[0] I do a *lot* of motion tracking as a below-conscious process - I
know where everything that moves in my nearby vicinity is, and is
likely to be, generally. Not so good for static objects, but very
good with anything that moves.
[1] From WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn]: kinesthetics
n : the ability to feel movements of the limbs and body [syn: {kinesthesis},
{kinaesthesis}, {kinesthesia}, {kinaesthesia}, {muscle
sense}, {sense of movement}]
[2] From WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn]: proprioception
n : the ability to sense the position and location and
orientation and movement of the body and its parts

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stranger..

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May 8, 2001, 11:24:25 PM5/8/01
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Tim Hamilton wrote

:I'd probably value touch the most, I'd hate losing any of the other


:four, but losing my sense of touch means I go numb for the rest of my
:life. I'd probably go nuts without that feedback after an hour or two.


One of my teachers at high school told us that one of the worst effects of
leprousy was losing your sense of touch and pain, so that everyday cuts and
scratches went unnoticed, got infected, turned gangrenous and ultimately led
to bits falling off and even death.

Don't know if that's accurate or not, but it's one way touch could be very
important.

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stranger..

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May 8, 2001, 11:27:50 PM5/8/01
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Sandro wrote

:Losing Touch: This would mean I would not be able to physically


:perceive the external world. It also means I'd never be able to
:have sex again since the body can't feel physical stimuli.

i wonder.

Theoretically, you would be able to have sex with no sense of touch. Mental
stimulation is enough to bring arousal and even orgasm (eg in a wet dream),
but in reality i wonder if the knowledge of not being able to feel anything
would put a damper on the mental arousal.

--
stranger..
(not wishing to find out)

Trayce

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On 9 May 2001 03:10:46 GMT, thor...@tertius.net.au (Thorfinn) wrote:

>In aus.culture.gothic, on 8 May 2001 23:26:47 GMT
>Morgan Jaffit <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
>> Sight first. Stop me reading and I will die. Without literature, I cannot
>> idle. I'm entirely incapable of pushing my mind into "relax" without a
>> boox/magazine/brochure/sports pages. If I happen to get on public
>> transport without reading material, I will read anything that is there.
>>
>> Repetatively. Obsessively.
>>
>> The concept of being unable to read terrifies me beyond all else.

<snip>

>*grin* We really do run the same brainOS, don't we. :)

Me three! ;)

I read rather obsessively too - but its not so much an urge to read
whole books - just that I feel like my eyes always have to be scanning
words, its weird. So I'll find myself reading the back of cereal boxes
and ads on trams if there is nowt else to read.

Kinda strange.

Trayce (wordy)

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T.Y. Watson

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May 8, 2001, 11:58:50 PM5/8/01
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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote:

> Sense?

Sight is my favourite sense it allows me to comprehend the world, but
touch i couldn't get by without -- think hard...harder, we know deaf
people, blind people, no smell/taste...anybody know someone with absolutly
no sense of touch, none. You wouldn't be able to function, its not that
hard to work out, sense of self??? oh hang on i smell something...oh i've
shit my self again and so it goes on.

T.Y.

We are all stars now in the dope show. all of us, you, me, everybody.

'Beep, beep, i will shoot you with my magic dungeons and drageons gun'

Sandro

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"stranger.." <dar...@gordontech.com.au> wrote:
>Sandro wrote

>:Losing Touch: This would mean I would not be able to physically
>:perceive the external world. It also means I'd never be able to
>:have sex again since the body can't feel physical stimuli.

>i wonder.

>Theoretically, you would be able to have sex with no sense of
>touch. Mental stimulation is enough to bring arousal and even
>orgasm (eg in a wet dream), but in reality i wonder if the
>knowledge of not being able to feel anything would put a damper
>on the mental arousal.

Yeah. But.

I didn't say a person couldn't have an orgasm ever again if they
lost all touch sensation. I deliberately made the distinction,
since premature ejaculators, quadraplegics with medical
assistance, certain drugs which trigger orgasms when people yawn
or sneeze, that case a few months ago where they tried to do
back surgery on a woman's spine, and instead found the nerve that
goes straight to her unmentionables, and of course Old Faithful
(wet dreams etc.) mean that people can still come. Just not
during actual sex, I don't think :)

>stranger..
>(not wishing to find out)

Then don't piss me off ever again

Sandro - I just donated blood, and boy do I feel vague

Thorfinn

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Trayce <tra...@somethingorother.com> wrote:
> On 9 May 2001 03:10:46 GMT, thor...@tertius.net.au (Thorfinn) wrote:
> >In aus.culture.gothic, on 8 May 2001 23:26:47 GMT
> >Morgan Jaffit <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
> >> Repetatively. Obsessively.
> >> The concept of being unable to read terrifies me beyond all else.
> >*grin* We really do run the same brainOS, don't we. :)
> Me three! ;)
> I read rather obsessively too - but its not so much an urge to read
> whole books - just that I feel like my eyes always have to be scanning
> words, its weird. So I'll find myself reading the back of cereal boxes
> and ads on trams if there is nowt else to read.

And the back of every bathroom product within reach of the toilet
seat, assuming I haven't taken a book in with me...

Ook,

Thorf

"Looks like the pink Duracell bunny and the robo-flapping butterfly will have
to have a calm-and-soothe-a-thon." "Windows will shatter and buildings will
crumble... all you need to do is add the furbie to the mix and instant WW3!"
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stranger..

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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote

:Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the


:most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?


While i'd hate to lose *any* of those senses, i'd have to agree with most
others that sight is one i probably rely on most and would be lost without.

As well as the practical aspects, my thoughts are quite visually oriented as
well, and i tend to relate most ideas back to visual imagery. Sounds tend
to me to have shapes, and even smells tend to have colours (though i can't
always pinpoint exactly what colour). On a more conscious level, music for
instance will generally evoke a visual picture of some sort, eg a nice bit
of gothic heavy metal conjuring images of ruined castles and windswept
coastlines, until a horrid guitar solo shatters it with a picture of guys in
spandex with Farrah Fawcett hair. That has its drawbacks as well (Mozart's
'Ein Kleine Nachtmusic' will probably always be accompanied in my mind by
clips of luxury cars on winding roads) but that's just how i relate to
things.

As for what sense i could do without, i'd probably give up taste because (as
a few people have already pointed out) it's the sense of smell that does
most of the 'tasting' of food and drink, so the loss of the taste buds would
have only a partial impact on that (as long as it didn't entail losing the
whole tongue as well).

Of course, i'd rather not do without any of them.

--
stranger..
(the blind leading the naked)

Morgan Jaffit

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In article <slrn9fhd9b....@tertius.net.au>, Thorfinn wrote:
>In aus.culture.gothic, on 8 May 2001 23:26:47 GMT
>Morgan Jaffit <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
>> Everything else, take it or leave it. If I had to throw one, I'd be smell
>> - I suffer from hayfever, and barely have a sense of smell anyways.
>
>*grin* We really do run the same brainOS, don't we. :)

Ya, but we knew that :)

>Need sight. Very large chunks of my brain are tied to seeing and
>seeing related things [0]. I think I'd cope without, but it would
>take a really massive amount of readjustment. Reading and such is
>necessary to occupy my brain. Also, I generally read and speak fluent
>human body-language... this is somewhat difficult to do without sight.
>
>Hearing comes about second, I think, because it ties into the motion
>tracking systems, and also into so much of human communication,
>whether it's speech or music, or whatever.

Yeah, I need hearing because it's so directly related to talking, which is
where my main comm's stuff is. And cos I like to talk.

A lot :)

Pretty much ditto on most of the other stuff Thorf said - I was considering
the whole proprioreception issue earlier, and eventually came to the
conclusion that even with it thrown in, touch was only second on my list.

entrippy (pink and blue)

Morgan Jaffit

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In article <slrn9fhi1s....@tertius.net.au>, Thorfinn wrote:
>
>And the back of every bathroom product within reach of the toilet
>seat, assuming I haven't taken a book in with me...

I don't do that anymore (or vary rarely, anyways) because I remember to run
round the room with my legs crossed looking for reading material before
going *every* damn time now.

And yes, even if I'm only going to urinate.

And even if I'm *really* really desperate.

With the exception of at pubs, where I'll make do with a urinal...

But in any case, it's been a while since I've had the "no book for toilet"
issue :)

entrippy (trained!)

Thorfinn

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In aus.culture.gothic, on 9 May 2001 04:51:45 GMT

*grin* We *really* *really* run the same brainOS. :) I do that too.
I've always got at least one book on the go, and I know *exactly*
where it is, so I can grab it.

And these days, I've usually got my palmpilot (which now has a couple
of Mb of Lovecraft, plus several other documents) on it, with stuff I
can read...

Ook,

Thorf

Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers.
-- Leonard Brandwein

solitaire

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On 9 May 2001 05:06:53 GMT, Thorfinn

<thor...@tertius.net.au> wrote:
>In aus.culture.gothic, on 9 May 2001 04:51:45 GMT
>Morgan Jaffit <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
>> In article <slrn9fhi1s....@tertius.net.au>, Thorfinn wrote:
>> >And the back of every bathroom product within reach of the toilet
>> >seat, assuming I haven't taken a book in with me...
>> I don't do that anymore (or vary rarely, anyways) because I remember to run
>> round the room with my legs crossed looking for reading material before
>> going *every* damn time now.
>> And yes, even if I'm only going to urinate.
>> And even if I'm *really* really desperate.
>> With the exception of at pubs, where I'll make do with a urinal...
>> But in any case, it's been a while since I've had the "no book for toilet"
>> issue :)
>> entrippy (trained!)
>
>*grin* We *really* *really* run the same brainOS. :) I do that too.
>I've always got at least one book on the go, and I know *exactly*
>where it is, so I can grab it.
>
>And these days, I've usually got my palmpilot (which now has a couple
>of Mb of Lovecraft, plus several other documents) on it, with stuff I
>can read...
>
And _Wired_ Magazine and various Calvin and Hobbes on a table by the
toilet for when you
really, really can't find a book. Then you can just flip through them
with no loss of continuity.

sol.
.

Morgan Jaffit

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solitaire wrote:
>And _Wired_ Magazine and various Calvin and Hobbes on a table by the
>toilet for when you
>really, really can't find a book. Then you can just flip through them
>with no loss of continuity.

Bizarre and New Scientist, but otherwise, yah!

entrippy (cult of read)

Neef

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On 9 May 2001 05:14:49 GMT, mor...@extro.vurt.net (Morgan Jaffit)
appeared in the Weekly World News headlines claiming :

I miss having a Gor book in the toilet..
Just for sheer tack value...
Of course the bathroom in the new house is nowhere near as spacious...


Nowdays its only *approved reading* :)

Which means I have the melbourne times...or whatever I take in with
me...

Neef (you will be watered!)
--
You know, maybe it was the syphilis talking, But some of
that actually made sense.
neef @ vurt . net

solitaire

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On 9 May 2001 05:14:49 GMT, Morgan Jaffit

<mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
>
>Bizarre and New Scientist, but otherwise, yah!
>

The modern Bizarre?
I was stunned when I saw it. HEresy of the highest order.

_Bizarre_ to me will always be John Willie. No two ways about it.

Of course, if you have the Taschen boxed re-issue of the original;
_Bizarre_ by your toilet, that's ok. Weird, but ok.

sol.
.

Madi

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>
>And these days, I've usually got my palmpilot (which now has a couple
>of Mb of Lovecraft, plus several other documents) on it, with stuff I
>can read...

You read Lovecraft on the loo?

That's, well...indescribable.

-Madi

--
I'm a thousand years young, I've got a bod made for high-speed sinning
and there's a whole universe out there that hasn't met me yet.
-Durham Red

solitaire

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On 9 May 2001 05:23:57 GMT, Madi

<ma...@vurt.net> wrote:
>thor...@tertius.net.au: Chapter 3, verses 9-16
>>
>>And these days, I've usually got my palmpilot (which now has a couple
>>of Mb of Lovecraft, plus several other documents) on it, with stuff I
>>can read...
>
>You read Lovecraft on the loo?
>
>That's, well...indescribable.
>
No, that's CthuLoo

sol.
.

Hobbes

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On 9 May 2001 04:51:45 GMT, Morgan Jaffit <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote:
>In article <slrn9fhi1s....@tertius.net.au>, Thorfinn wrote:
>>
>>And the back of every bathroom product within reach of the toilet
>>seat, assuming I haven't taken a book in with me...
>
>I don't do that anymore (or vary rarely, anyways) because I remember to run
>round the room with my legs crossed looking for reading material before
>going *every* damn time now.
>
Isn';t this the reason everyone should keep a collection of reading
material in the toilets anyway.

At my old houses it was on the walls. Although I hear Rev Doc removed it

In my current house its calvin and hobbes books, user-friendly books
and the drug pamhlet from the govt, plus a very old 'streetwize' comic
about AIDS and safe sex.

POLL - what have ppl got in there toilet?

Hobbes (this could get ugly)

Hobbes

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On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:23:17 +1000, Neef <ne...@sloth.vurt.net> wrote:
>
>Neef (you will be watered!)

Please don;t water me....

I don;t want to be watered...

Hobbes

Neef

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On 9 May 2001 05:45:31 GMT, hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au (Hobbes)

appeared in the Weekly World News headlines claiming :

>POLL - what have ppl got in there toilet?
>

What hasss it gots in itss toiletss my presciousss?
What has it got!!???


String! Or nothing!!! (which was cheating really, as it was getting in
two guesses at once)

Neef (smeagol!)

solitaire

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On 9 May 2001 05:45:31 GMT, Hobbes

<hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote:
>
>POLL - what have ppl got in there toilet?
>

OH for crying out fucking loud.

Or, you could simply have a *discussion* with people as several of us
have already done.

Why the fuck does everything have to be the Next Great ACG Poll, for
fucks sake?

People who want to share will share, people who don't can read the
thread without being turned off by the whole "Oooh, another poll"
bullshit of it all.

They used to be called "conversations", you know.

sol (over it).
.

Thorfinn

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In aus.culture.gothic, on 9 May 2001 05:26:31 GMT

Argh. No, it's an eldritch and unspeakeable horror...

Ook,

Thorf

"I've got this thing called a zip drive and I don't know what it does.
It's under my bed!"
-- Di James

Lilith

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Hobbes <hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote in message
news:slrn9fhmd8...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au...

> On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:23:17 +1000, Neef <ne...@sloth.vurt.net> wrote:
> >
> >Neef (you will be watered!)
>
> Please don;t water me....
>
> I don;t want to be watered...

grrrrr, I miss that from the Gore St loo (madcowmoo took them all with her)

Liz


Kitsune

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On 9 May 2001 05:45:31 GMT, hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au (Hobbes) tippy-tapped:


>POLL - what have ppl got in there toilet?
>

I thought all toilets contained the same stuff.... water... either in the bowl
or tank (except for neefs, which he states used to contain some fishies and now
string)


Kitsune, you're in a 3'x3' room , there's a ceramic seat in the middle...
--
-Quis Hanc Felem Exhaurit-

Hobbes

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On 9 May 2001 06:15:54 GMT, solitaire <soli...@lioness.tygger.net> wrote:
>On 9 May 2001 05:45:31 GMT, Hobbes
> <hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote:
>>
>>POLL - what have ppl got in there toilet?
>>
>
>OH for crying out fucking loud.
>
>Or, you could simply have a *discussion* with people as several of us
>have already done.
>
>Why the fuck does everything have to be the Next Great ACG Poll, for
>fucks sake?
>
whoah - calm down solitaire - take a valium or something.

It was posted as a joke. And if you must know - as a jooke before
I read the rest of the thread detailing stuff like the fact you have wired
mags in your loo. Admittedly I prolly wouldn't have posted it if
I had of read the rest of the thread first - but hey, it happens, and
sometimes you are doomed to repeat what someone else has already said.

And aside from that - if you don't like poll's - don't answer them, as
you can see - this thread is already labeled poll - hell its as
valid as the whats around your desk question. I can imagine my answer
if I still lived in york st.

I figure some ppl still do like polls after all as you say - there seems
to be enought of them.

deal really. I still think it could be amusing

Hobbes (the cthuloo joke on the other hand..)

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"Sandro" <cein...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au (*LittleChinaGirl*) wrote:
> >....is the most important to you?

> <snippage>
> Sandro - ask any smoker, it's the same story re: smell / taste

after giving up smoking (1) I found that I could smell loads of things that
I didn't realise had a particular scent, or i had forgotten what they really
smelled/tasted like.
that was really nice :]

A*
(1) only smoke a few ciggs at clubs now ( I owe Spark a few from this past
few weeks) as opposed to 20+ a day.
godamn cravings won't go away though even though i now hate the smell/taste.
:\
--
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/andricongirl ICQ: 61102750
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fearing to attempt.' Shakespeare

Morgan Jaffit

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In article <3af8...@news01.one.net.au>, Slave Angel wrote:
>(1) only smoke a few ciggs at clubs now ( I owe Spark a few from this past
>few weeks) as opposed to 20+ a day.
>godamn cravings won't go away though even though i now hate the smell/taste.
>:\

About three months from a 'dead stop' (ie, no cigs, ever) to the cravings
going, I've found.

And I still get them occasionally.

entrippy (ex)

Madi

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thor...@tertius.net.au: Chapter 3, verses 9-16
>In aus.culture.gothic, on 9 May 2001 05:26:31 GMT
>solitaire <soli...@lioness.tygger.net> wrote:
>> On 9 May 2001 05:23:57 GMT, Madi
>> <ma...@vurt.net> wrote:
>> >You read Lovecraft on the loo?
>> >That's, well...indescribable.
>> No, that's CthuLoo
>
>Argh. No, it's an eldritch and unspeakeable horror...

Its a coprocephalic entity.

Nicky

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*LittleChinaGirl* wrote in message <3af7b651...@news.bigpond.com>...

>Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
>most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?
>

i'm a very visual person, so doing without sight is the obvious one: would
be very hard. but i could cope

taste is definately the disposable sense. first one i'd volunteer to ditch

hearing i would miss lots too, but again. yeah, cope.

smell i love. i've realised it's the big factor in who i like, especially
who i'm attracted to. it's the thing i remember most about people,
especially lovers, and i've tended to borrow clothes off friends and lovers
for that reason: being surrounded by someone's smell is very sexy,
comforting and reassuring all at the same time.

but touch? now that one i could never live without. i imagine without it,
you would feel like you were in some sort of unreal cocoon, protected and
isolated from everything. sort of like living in a volvo.....or just
watching everything on tv.....to not feel pain or pleasure would be equally
unbearable

nicky


Spark

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"*LittleChinaGirl*" <h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
news:3af7b651...@news.bigpond.com...

: Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the


: most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

As young Sandro pointed out, my sense of taste has been repeatedly napalmed
by dosages of cigarettes and coffee, and frankly, I can't say I miss it
overly much.

I think I could do without my sight. My vision has got me into more trouble
then not [0] and the only thing I would really miss about it is the ability
to drive. Reading I love, but I also enjoy (and can subsist on) being read
to, which brings me to ...

Hearing I couldn't do without, I think. For better or worse, I have the same
problem as Hobbes (cilia on the inner ear is dying because of too much punk
rock) and I have trouble distinguishing foreground/background noise. This
doesn't actually reduce my hearing (I'm told), but makes conversation in
noisy places difficult, and evesdropping much easier. Music is possibly
_the_ most important abstract in my life and I'm really not sure what I'd do
without it. Tones and timbre in people's voices are much better indications
of mood and less likely to be controlled then body language and the nuances
can be more elaborate and subtle - obviously a personal opinion. My
particular sense of hearing also makes me very sensitive to pressure changes
(shorter then average tubes, I'm told) and having that is also kinda cool -
in a similar way I can accurately track motion from pressure in a darkened
area, although that requires a much higher then normal concentration (and
I'm out of practice). In short, more positive experiances have come from my
sense of hearing then any other, and I'd lead a rather grey life without it.


L. (Listen! Do you smell something?)

[0] Saucy bint! Saucy bint! Preen! Preen! PREEN!!!
--
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"I've always wanted to .sig file myself ..."
-Spark


Neef

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Sol,
Email me you fucker I have Music for you,
None of the adresses I have for you are working.
:)

Neef (there is no law)

Lev Lafayette

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On Wed, 9 May 2001, Nicky tchriinged!:

> *LittleChinaGirl* wrote in message <3af7b651...@news.bigpond.com>...
>
> >Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
> >most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

Erm. Aren't taste/smell more or less the same sense?

> >
(rm)


>
> but touch? now that one i could never live without. i imagine without it,
> you would feel like you were in some sort of unreal cocoon, protected and
> isolated from everything. sort of like living in a volvo.....or just
> watching everything on tv.....to not feel pain or pleasure would be equally
> unbearable

Reality would have this other-worldy quality - like the narrator in
Sartre's 'Nausea', who found it disgusting that animate and inanimate
objects both responded to the sense of touch. He felt that the latter
should not respond to the sense of the touch and could be moved around as
abstract parts of a jigsaw world. I concur with his sentiments.

No sense of touch would probably mean that one's sex-life would become
pretty abstract. I suppose once that the interest isn't there one
wouldn't necessarily miss it. Having no sense of touch would probably
become quite fearless as well. Well, as long as you check yourself for
injuries afterwards. Fine motor skills would be annoyingly difficult.
Hopefully that wouldn't be too much of a problem.

Yeah, I'll go for touch. Not because I have any great desire to lose the
sense, but I think one could have the most weird perspective on the world
without it.


Lev Lafayette.
l...@student.unimelb.edu.au http://www.student.unimelb.edu.au/~lev

Belegdel

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On Tue, 08 May 2001 09:17:43 GMT, h....@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
(*LittleChinaGirl*) wrote:

>...is the most important to you?
>

>I thought it was time we had a deep-and-meaningful poll, so here's one
>for thought.


>
>Out of sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell, which do you value the
>most? If you had to sacrifice one, which would it be?

Oooh, good poll.

I've actually thought about this a bit and in order of importance:

Hearing
Touch
Sight
Taste
Smell

Touch, ooh, couldn't live without touch. Deep emotional needs
involved here, I'd go balmy in no time. I'm constantly aware of what
things feel like and there is _no_ way I could stay sane if I couldn't
feel the wind. I'd be a psychopathic stressball inside a week.
Mind you, the idea of only being able to feel, just the sensation of
the wind, no sound or vision or smell or taste, _that's_ erotic
*gurgle*

I'd find it hard without hearing. I love Music too much and I love
the subtleties of sound.

Sight. Appearance has never really meant much too me, though
unfortunately vision is the key element in my work and all of my
hobbies. But I could adjust. I _like_ not being able to see - it
forces my brain to pay attention to the senses I like more.
I frequently find myself closing my eyes to shut the pictures out.

It's funny actually, I've spent some time in so-called sensory
deprivation tanks and the only sense they really deprive you of is
sight. You can still hear, feel, taste, smell - even if only
yourself. Humans need some bio-luminescence :)

Taste. Mmmmm. like food :) But I think I could do without. Give
the need I can eat the most bland stuff over and over and it doesn't
bother me.

Smell. Bah. Annoying sense. Without smell I could stand next to
smokers and not feel like throwing them off a building but be incable
becasue I'm busy hacking up a lung.
I could sure do without smelling every congregation of more that 10
ants at something like 3 metres. Ants stink - if you can't smell them
be glad.
Lacewings are a million times worse. At least two nights a year I
have what borders on a psychotic episode thanks to these annoying,
reeking little buggers.
And walking into department stores! Gag!! Trying to see the path to
fresh air through my tears and fingertips as my breathing goes all
screwy. Grrr! Hate perfume. Hatehatehate. Except the stuff that
smells like vanilla marshmallows. That's good.

The funny thing is, the only sense of mine every really imperilled was
my hearing. Lots of ear infections and a nasty water-skiing accident
almost cost me an eardrum. *shudder*
--
Belegdel | "...Making an experience...
| "...Wounded little silly heart...
| "...All regrets are meaningless
| "Childhood cruel." - Wolfsheim

jojo

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I gotta say i never noticed when i lost my sense of smell the first time, but
when it came back i almost went loopy from the ecstacy of certain smells. I
might qualify that by saying that aromas have always been terribly evocative to
me. Aromatic organic compounds however all of a sudden became so attractive, I
would stand at the petrol station (next to my gorgeous gas guzzler) and INHALE
the fumes... certain perfumes became almost painfully exquisite. I would
breathe in until I thought my lungs would burst.

From knowing people who have been hearing and visually impaired (note the PC
language) it's generally more socially isolating to be deaf than blind. But
perhaps no more than not being fluent in the dominant language of your
country/town.

I think i'd do without sight better than anything else. Touch is so important,
I'm with you on this one Nicky!

I seem to have lost my nasal senses again (please do return if you trip over
them in the tram...) and really miss those sensations. Hopefully they'll come
back again.

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