Re: Big Cheese

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 5/04/2015 3:21 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 4/04/2015 7:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/04/2015 5:02 PM, HD wrote:
>>>>> On 4/4/2015 3:26 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>>>> HD <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since WW2 we have a large Jewish population in Australia who can buy
>>>>>>> kosher food at selected stores. Why can't the Muslim community do the
>>>>>>> same?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can and they do but Kosher and vegetarian cheese is available at
>>>>>> supermarkets in exactly the same way that Halal cheese is.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we pay for Halal certification and for Kosher certification?
>>>>
>>>> How did you reach that stupid conclusion?
>>>>
>>>> Kosher-certified meat is slaughtered according to a different process,
>>>> even crueller than halal. If I don't want it, I don't have to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> Halal is applied across the board. With some brands and foodstuffs, I
>>>> have no choice.
>>>
>>> How did you reach the stupid conclusion that there is a fundamental
>>> difference between Halal and Kosher certification?
>>
>> How is that 'stupid'?
>>
>> I am not aware of any 'Jewish Brotherhood' funding terrorism. AFAIK
>> kosher certification is simply a check to see whether it conforms with
>> kosher. And there are no scams, such as requiring registration of
>> 'scaled fish' or brewer's yeast or the like.
>
> Tassal salmon <http://www.tassal.com.au/food-quality-and-safety/> and

You are being stupid.

The title of that page is 'Food quality and safety'.

The Islamic rule that is being applied is this:
"Eat any fish that has scales, and do not eat what does not have scales"

Explain the scientific principle linking a causal effect from 'scales'
with food safety.

In any case, since Halal certification is *never* required for Salmon,
can you explain why it needs to be certified?


> Vegemite <https://www.vegemite.com.au/en-AU/FAQ.aspx> (Q5 & Q6) have
> Kosher and Halal certification. Although Jews are permitted to drink
> alcohol it has to be Kosher alcohol and not all beers are Kosher.

Let's talk about Vegemite. Vegemite is made from brewer's yeast.

"Brewer yeast is a single celled bacteria. In food products especially
for meaty flavors or strong flavors, only brewer's yeast extract from
beer making is used. According to ulema it is *Haram* ingredients
because alcohol, beer flavor compounds are leached inside the yeast cell
and is not subjected to any change".

I assume you know that 'Haram' means 'forbidden' or IOW, *not* Halal.

SO BREWER'S YEAST, OR ANYTHING MADE FROM IT, LIKE VEGEMITE OR MARMITE
CAN *NEVER* BE HALAL.

It follows that you are a mark, i.e. an idiot.

>>
>> Seems to me you're being pretty stupid about this.

Seems to me you're being pretty stupid about this.

>
> That is because you have NFI about the dietary rules for Jews or
> Muslims.

See above.

>>
...
> Halal and Kosher rules are very similar and for widely available,

Q. Is Kosher meat Halal?
A. It is not Halal.

This one is even better:

"The writing (on the package) has no value at all. If the producer is a
Muslim or it was produced in a place where Muslim are in the *majority*
and it is not known that the producer is a non-Muslim then it is
permissible to eat it".

> processed foods other than alcohol it makes economic sense to get
> both. Try it yourself
> <http://www.gs1au.org/services/goscan/gs1-goscan-app-benefits.asp>.
>

Here in civilisation, we call that 'restraint of trade' and 'unfair use
of market power'.

Starting to get a picture of what an idiot you are?


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Tax Receipts, Costello: 2003-07: 982,341
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Difference: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE BILLION DOLLARS
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ALP ineptitude = $20b opening balance + $280b closing balance + $191b
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Whyalla on life support, a decimated aluminium industry, doubled
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cancellation of the "$500b investment pipeline", another stolen
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cheats
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two fraud artists - an MP and an ALP national president, one paedophile
- convicted, that is, one former rape suspect, one lazy Victorian police
force, insufficient evidence, lost evidence, destruction of evidence and
half a trillion dollars of debt, one squandered mining boom
(http://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2009/jan/images/lvl-dist-mining-graph3.gif),
one (um) jumped-up twit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To),
one minus one democracy (http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=4905) and
last but not least ... the first fat arsed PM in Australian history
(http://tinyurl.com/Gillard4Sale).

#auspol #ausdebate

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
news:coc26v...@mid.individual.net...

same reason that beef does

[Gordon Levi]

You are obliged to keep repeating that I am an idiot because it is the
only way you can deny the evidence that is staring you in the face.
Tassal salmon products and Vegemite _are_ certified Halal and both
manufacturers hand over money for it. I am a idiot. Tassal are idiots.
Mondelez International with annual revenues of 34 billion are idiots.
All their Muslim and Jewish customers are idiots. Only you are
intelligent enough to know True Islam.

[Abusive Liar Party]

Because you are one.

> Tassal salmon products and Vegemite _are_ certified Halal and both
> manufacturers hand over money for it. I am a idiot. Tassal are idiots.
> Mondelez International with annual revenues of 34 billion are idiots.
> All their Muslim and Jewish customers are idiots. Only you are
> intelligent enough to know True Islam.
>

That's a great argument there, Gordon, sweep aside all of the facts -
i.e. that Brewer's yeast is not and can *never* be Halal, and point to
the 'evidence' of a major corporation paying the fees.

Why bother debating at all? Just get those sharp lawyers from the
Electronic Intifada to make your case for you - much easier!

[dechucka]

snip

> That's a great argument there, Gordon, sweep aside all of the facts - i.e.
> that Brewer's yeast is not and can *never* be Halal, and point to the
> 'evidence' of a major corporation paying the fees.

all yeast can produce alcohol so products that are fermentated contain
minute amounts of alcohol. The Moslems believe that alcohol is not
inherently a problem but it's intoxicatinf effects are. As the amount in
bread, vegimite etc is so small and is only a by-product it is not a
problem. All explained now so you'll have to start another inane whisper
campaign to further your bigotted pov

>
> Why bother debating at all? Just get those sharp lawyers from the
> Electronic Intifada to make your case for you - much easier!

this is not a debate he is pointing out you are wrong

[Gordon Levi]

You claim exactly two. Salmon has scales therefore it doesn't need
certification which is true. You repeatedly ignore the fact that if
the salmon is processed, say smoked, the _process_ may require
certification. The second of "all of the facts" is the ridiculous
claim that

>i.e. that Brewer's yeast is not and can *never* be Halal,

If brewers yeast can never be Halal how can it be Halal certified?
What makes Abusive Liars certification superior to every other Halal
certification? In fact, Muslims are allowed to consume alcohol
provided they don't risk intoxication. If they were not they would not
be permitted to eat any very ripe fruit or use products containing
vinegar.

> and point to
>the 'evidence' of a major corporation paying the fees.

Mondelez International has a list of Halal products that are Halal
certified
<http://isithalalinaustralia.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/kraft-foods.html>.

>
>Why bother debating at all? Just get those sharp lawyers from the
>Electronic Intifada to make your case for you - much easier!

Your technique is better. Claim that you know all the facts and, if
anybody disagrees, call them a moron. That now includes Halal
certifiers, Muslims that shop for Halal certified products and
manufacturers that obtain Halal certification.

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 7/04/2015 12:48 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 5/04/2015 11:54 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/04/2015 3:21 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

...

>>
>>
>>> Tassal salmon products and Vegemite _are_ certified Halal and both
>>> manufacturers hand over money for it. I am a idiot. Tassal are idiots.
>>> Mondelez International with annual revenues of 34 billion are idiots.
>>> All their Muslim and Jewish customers are idiots. Only you are
>>> intelligent enough to know True Islam.
>>>
>>
>> That's a great argument there, Gordon, sweep aside all of the facts -
>
> You claim exactly two. Salmon has scales therefore it doesn't need
> certification which is true. You repeatedly ignore the fact that if
> the salmon is processed, say smoked, the _process_ may require
> certification.

You're an idiot. Why not ask whether "pig-fat dressed Salmon" is Halal?

Fresh or frozen Salmon doesn't need to be certified because Salmon is a
fish with scales.

Smoking doesn't change that in any way. Smoking involves neither
pig-fat, nor alcohol nor any kind of meat. Smoking "does no harm" and
has absolutely nothing to do with halal rules.

There are now over 37 organisations purporting to be qualified to
perform halal certification and they are extorting money from ignorant
food manufacturers.

Leftist idiots such as you are defending this sheer stupidity. Worse, at
least one of these organisations has been shown to be sending money to
the Muslim Brotherhood and another has been proven to be misusing
Federal school funds.

> The second of "all of the facts" is the ridiculous
> claim that
>> i.e. that Brewer's yeast is not and can *never* be Halal,
>
> If brewers yeast can never be Halal how can it be Halal certified?

Exactly, Gordon, exactly! Gee, you get smarter every minute!

37 organisations (at least), purporting to be qualified to decide
whether or not foodstuffs are acceptable to Muslims. Half of them are
merely shysters looking for a quick buck.

Of course *no-one* but no-one is gonna muscle in on dis bizniz wiffout
dah say-so of dah capo del tutti capo so dey all pay a cut.

Jeez, you are thick! Defending this lot!

> What makes Abusive Liars certification superior to every other Halal
> certification?

Superior?
1. It costs nothing
2. It conforms with Muslim religious requirements

Will there be anything else?

Idiot.

> In fact, Muslims are allowed to consume alcohol
> provided they don't risk intoxication. If they were not they would not
> be permitted to eat any very ripe fruit or use products containing
> vinegar.
>> and point to
>> the 'evidence' of a major corporation paying the fees.
>
> Mondelez International has a list of Halal products that are Halal
> certified
> <http://isithalalinaustralia.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/kraft-foods.html>.
>>
>> Why bother debating at all? Just get those sharp lawyers from the
>> Electronic Intifada to make your case for you - much easier!
>
> Your technique is better. Claim that you know all the facts and, if
> anybody disagrees, call them a moron.

I posted evidence that Salmon are always and forever halal and that
certification is *never* required.

I posted evidence that Vegemite can *never* be certified, because it
uses Brewer's yeast.

Q. If we don't have facts and argument, what *do* we have?
A. Leftist morons.

> That now includes Halal
> certifiers, Muslims that shop for Halal certified products and
> manufacturers that obtain Halal certification.
>

Halal certifiers are no morons. They are cleverly exploiting your
propensity to be politically correct.

Because they are leveraging criminality off a different culture, that
makes them invulnerable to any logical analysis or thought by leftist
morons.

Who certifies the certifiers, Gordon?

If you have a brain, start using it.