SSD in Win7 PC

[Mighty Mouse]

I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more so
than the ones I put in my win10 pc's

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[Petzl]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 11:47:55 +1100, Mighty Mouse
<"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

>
>I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more so
>than the ones I put in my win10 pc's
>

To speed up WIN10 try writing DISK in bottom left search bar
Will show Disk Clean Op
At top
run as administrator
Then click, it's often slow in showing dialogue box, just wait and
click OK when required.
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"When you let people into your country that hate everything about you and your heritage,
there's a good chance they will kill you."

[Rod Speed]

Mighty Mouse <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote

> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference,much more so

> than the ones I put in my win10 pc's

How much physical ram in that PC and what do you do on that PC ?

[Mighty Mouse]

Rod Speed wrote:
> Mighty Mouse <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote
>

>> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more

>> so  than the ones I put in my win10 pc's
>
> How much physical ram in that PC

8 Gb.

> and what do you do on that PC ?

 just the usual stuff.. email, social media, youtube, web surfing, Open
Office, etc., nothing special. Boot time into win7 reduced significantly
with the SSD.

[Rod Speed]

On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 17:30:31 +1100, Mighty Mouse
<squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote
>>
>>> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more so
>>> than the ones I put in my win10 pc's
>>
>> How much physical ram in that PC
>
> 8 Gb.
>
>> and what do you do on that PC ?
>
> just the usual stuff.. email, social media, youtube, web surfing, Open
> Office, etc., nothing special.

But presumably you close those when not using them.

What is the detail of the Win10 system ?

> Boot time into win7 reduced significantly with the SSD.

That's not surprising, but why don't you get that with the Win10 system
too ?

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>

> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more so
> than the ones I put in my win10 pc's

I guess you did the Win7 installation much longer ago, so it's had
longer to bog down the way Windows always seems to after many years
of updates, accumulated registry junk from installed software, and
background processes. Since the Win10 PCs haven't got that bogged
down yet, there's less room for improvement via the SSD.

Also of course it depends on the particular SSDs and computer
hardware (particularly whether you usually have free RAM left).

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[Mighty Mouse]

Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 17:30:31 +1100, Mighty Mouse
> <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Mighty Mouse <squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more
>>>> so  than the ones I put in my win10 pc's
>>>
>>> How much physical ram in that PC
>>
>> 8 Gb.

https://auslink.info/pics/win7.png

>>
>>> and what do you do on that PC ?
>>
>>   just the usual stuff.. email, social media, youtube, web surfing,
>> Open Office, etc., nothing special.
>
> But presumably you close those when not using them.

yes

>
> What is the detail of the Win10 system ?

https://auslink.info/pics/speccy1.jpg

>
>> Boot time into win7 reduced significantly with the SSD.
>
> That's not surprising, but why don't you get that with the Win10
> system too ?

I do get that. It's just that there's more noticeable improvement in the
boot time and functionality of the win7 PC

[Mighty Mouse]

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>> I put a SSD in my win7 PC and it made a huge difference, much more so
>> than the ones I put in my win10 pc's
> I guess you did the Win7 installation much longer ago,

yep

> so it's had
> longer to bog down the way Windows always seems to after many years
> of updates, accumulated registry junk from installed software, and
> background processes. Since the Win10 PCs haven't got that bogged
> down yet, there's less room for improvement via the SSD.

I guess so

>
> Also of course it depends on the particular SSDs and computer
> hardware (particularly whether you usually have free RAM left).
>


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Have a nice day!..

[Max]

Win 10 has faster boot time than Win 7 anyway.

[Petzl]

Pays to have USB drives turned off (if possible, my multiple ports
have on off buttons, get one with Au plug DC power supply)

Mines 10 USB ports each with on/off button no sold out
Temu page postage included in price. but make sure for electric DC.
you use a Au IP not VPN, or confuses the Chinese BOT which overrides
you postal address? Hate using travel adaptors.
https://t.ly/c-t7D
This is only 7 port but DC powered, look or wait for a 10 port is my
preference.
--
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The problem with socialism is that you
eventually run out of other people's money.

[Rod Speed]

Makes more sense to get some multi plug type plug boards

[Petzl]

You have link? Don't know what you refer to?
I'm sure it's a good idea though.

[Max]

Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.

[Rod Speed]

Ebay doesnt show purchases old enough
to show the one I bought half a dozen of.

There are some on Temu if you search on power
strip or power board. Not as good as mine tho.

> Don't know what you refer to?

Normal plug board that you plug power cables
or wall warts into, but which take all of Oz, US
and UK plugs. The temu ones only take Oz and US.

> I'm sure it's a good idea though.

Yeah very handy and mine actually grip the plug
much better than mine that only take Oz plugs.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 13:14:45 +1100, Max <m...@invalid.address> wrote:

>> Pays to have USB drives turned off (if possible, my multiple ports
>> have on off buttons, get one with Au plug DC power supply)
>>
>> Mines 10 USB ports each with on/off button no sold out
>> Temu page postage included in price. but make sure for electric DC.
>> you use a Au IP not VPN, or confuses the Chinese BOT which overrides
>> you postal address? Hate using travel adaptors.
>> https://t.ly/c-t7D
>> This is only 7 port but DC powered, look or wait for a 10 port is my
>> preference.
>
>Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>

Difference is cost
External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
drives will die a horrible expensive death
>
From Temu
https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
***AU$51.49***
>
Australia, still probably made in China though
https://t.ly/SB7QV
10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
Part No. 43370
**$209.00**

[Petzl]

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 14:14:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"

Tried lookig on Ebay and Temu to no avail, but will tray again later
With External USB drives I've found at cost the power supply has to be
good and stable or they permanantly crash in a short while
>
So far all my compture stuff has come with a Au plug which fit into
multi power boards.
Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
AU$38.23
>
>>>> Mines 10 USB ports each with on/off button now sold out

>>>> Temu page postage included in price. but make sure for electric DC.
>>>> you use a Au IP not VPN, or confuses the Chinese BOT which overrides
>>>> you postal address? Hate using travel adaptors.
>>>> https://t.ly/c-t7D
>>>> This is only 7 port but DC powered, look or wait for a 10 port is my
>>>> preference.

--
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Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

[Rod Speed]

Use the search term <power board universal> on ebay

> With External USB drives I've found at cost the power supply hasto be

> good and stable or they permanantly crash in a short while

Mine, all seagate have always come with one

> So far all my compture stuff has come witha Au plug which fit into

> multi power boards.

> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
> AU$38.23

I do it the other way, using one of these and only need to
charge one thing at a time. I have another in the bedroom
if I need to charge more than one, but so far I have never
needed to do that.
https://share.temu.com/k1FJA5odp9A

[Petzl]

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 17:09:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"

OK got it, lowest price/postage on Ebay
https://t.ly/6U-r_

>
>> With External USB drives I've found at cost the power supply hasto be
>> good and stable or they permanantly crash in a short while
>
>Mine, all seagate have always come with one
>

Used to but haven't now for years AFAIN?
When External USB some time ago, they came with power supply they were
very reliable, but around 500 MB

>
>> So far all my compture stuff has come witha Au plug which fit into
>> multi power boards.
>
>> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>> AU$38.23
>
>I do it the other way, using one of these and only need to
>charge one thing at a time. I have another in the bedroom
>if I need to charge more than one, but so far I have never
>needed to do that.
>https://share.temu.com/k1FJA5odp9A
>

Don't like a phone in bedroom so just have it connected to my computer
for data access and charging.
looked at them some time ago, because some of my USB gadgets need hard
to fit micro usb connections, like electric stove lighter,
https://t.ly/OLvoY shop around
Eye water bottle that fogs water for eyes (very good cheaper than
eye drops). And a number of others

[Rod Speed]

Wrong.

> When External USB some time ago, they came with power supply they were
> very reliable, but around 500 MB

Mine have been multi TB for years now.

>>> So far all my compture stuff has come witha Au plug which fit into
>>> multi power boards.
>>
>>> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>> AU$38.23
>>
>> I do it the other way, using one of these and only need to
>> charge one thing at a time. I have another in the bedroom
>> if I need to charge more than one, but so far I have never
>> needed to do that.
>> https://share.temu.com/k1FJA5odp9A

> Don't like a phone in bedroom

I do, so I can use it before I get up, particularly in the winter.

> so just have it connected to my computer
> for data access and charging.

I use what I listed for charging and hardly ever
use it for data access except for backup of the
phone and even then use wifi.

> looked at them some time ago, because some of my USB gadgets need hard
> to fit micro usb connections, like electric stove lighter,
> https://t.ly/OLvoY shop around
> Eye water bottle that fogs water for eyes (very good cheaper than
> eye drops). And a number of others

The only one I do is the hair clipper trimmer.

The main hair clippers have their own chargers

[Petzl]

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 19:50:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> With External USB drives I've found at cost the power supply hasto be
>>>> good and stable or they permanantly crash in a short while
>>>
>>> Mine, all seagate have always come with one
>
>> Used to but haven't now for years AFAIN?
>
>Wrong.

>> When External USB some time ago, they came with power supply they were
>> very reliable, but around 500 MB
>
>Mine have been multi TB for years now.
>

OK will check but have a number of multi TB USB drives for my video
WiFi network WDTV which works with WIN10

>
>>>> So far all my compture stuff has come witha Au plug which fit into
>>>> multi power boards.
>>>
>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>> AU$38.23
>>>
>>> I do it the other way, using one of these and only need to
>>> charge one thing at a time. I have another in the bedroom
>>> if I need to charge more than one, but so far I have never
>>> needed to do that.
>>> https://share.temu.com/k1FJA5odp9A
>
>> Don't like a phone in bedroom
>
>I do, so I can use it before I get up, particularly in the winter.
>

Just like watching movies and TV shows in bed before dropping off
Bought a 10 inch Tablet from TEMU which does the job tried buying
bluetooth earphone 1st was broken, 2nd worked then broke neither had
great sound quality
(just Chinese broken crap TEAC - Total East Asian Crap),
TEMU give free post back to Australian depot they send you a
pre-filled form to stick on parcel. Full refund. but a nuisance.

>
>> so just have it connected to my computer
>> for data access and charging.
>
>I use what I listed for charging and hardly ever
>use it for data access except for backup of the
>phone and even then use wifi.
>

Don't do much data just the odd photo, Found it easer to share to
Gmail and download to PC from there.

>
>> looked at them some time ago, because some of my USB gadgets need hard
>> to fit micro usb connections, like electric stove lighter,
>> https://t.ly/OLvoY shop around
>> Eye water bottle that fogs water for eyes (very good cheaper than
>> eye drops). And a number of others
>
>The only one I do is the hair clipper trimmer.
>
>The main hair clippers have their own chargers
>

Mine just plug into power but getting dated.
Just scanning my PC now it don't like browser on while doing it after
Malware with SpyHunter.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> With External USB drives I've found at cost the power supply hasto be
>>>>> good and stable or they permanantly crash in a short while
>>>>
>>>> Mine, all seagate have always come with one
>>
>>> Used to but haven't now for years AFAIN?
>>
>> Wrong.
>
>>> When External USB some time ago, they came with power supply they were
>>> very reliable, but around 500 MB
>>
>> Mine have been multi TB for years now.
>>
> OK will check but have a number of multi TB USB drives for my video
> WiFi network WDTV which works with WIN10
>>
>>>>> So far all my compture stuff has come witha Au plug which fit into
>>>>> multi power boards.
>>>>
>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>> AU$38.23

Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
you have lost all your USB powered devices.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:36:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>> AU$38.23
>
>Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>

That is just a 20 port charging device,
NOT connected to my computer
--
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With the exception of emergency aid for disasters such as floods and earthquakes,
most foreign aid is best described as taking money from poor people in rich countries
and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
Corruption is endemic.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Bought this on Temu which is veryhandy save power point usb chargers

>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>> AU$38.23

>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.

> That is just a 20 port charging device,
> NOT connected to my computer

But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 16:30:19 +1100, "Rod Speed"

Not that I see how, seems well made had it for a few months it's
reliable
No more than any USB charging device I suppose
Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>> AU$38.23

>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.

>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>> NOT connected to my computer

>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.

> Not that I see how,

Watch Big Clive's utubes

> seems well made

Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.

> had it for a few months it's reliable

A few months proves nothing.

> No more than any USB charging device I suppose

Watch Big Clive's utubes

[Petzl]

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>> AU$38.23
>
>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>
>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>
>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>
>> Not that I see how,
>
>Watch Big Clive's utubes
>
>> seems well made
>
>Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.
>

No circuit diagram with it

>
>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>
>A few months proves nothing.
>

It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
magnetic field
goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
(unit micro Tesla)
to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>
>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e

>
>Watch Big Clive's utubes
>

Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
https://t.ly/hnkx9

>
>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>

Why I shut everything down long before bed

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 20:13:34 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:13:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Bought this on Temu which is very
>>>>>>> handy save power point usb chargers
>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/bNNmdVB
>>>>>>> 100W/20A 20-Ports USB Charging Station, Multi Ports USB Charger For
>>>>>>> IPhone For Android Smartphones, Tablets, And Other USB Devices
>>>>>>> AU$38.23
>>
>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that if it dies badly,
>>>>>> you have lost all your USB powered devices.
>>
>>>>> That is just a 20 port charging device,
>>>>> NOT connected to my computer
>>
>>>> But will kill all your USB powered devices that are plugged into it.
>>
>>> Not that I see how,
>>
>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>
>>> seems well made
>>
>> Irrelevant to the circuit diagram.

> No circuit diagram with it

So you have no way to know if it is well designed
so that it fails safe and won't kill what its charging.

Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.

>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>
>> A few months proves nothing.

> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
> magnetic field
> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
> (unit micro Tesla)
> to 70 when I read it a inch away?

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e

>> Watch Big Clive's utubes

> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
> https://t.ly/hnkx9

He also tears down the expensive stuff
and shows how its designed to fail safe.

>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though

> Why I shut everything down long before bed

Wont help when it fails during the day.

[Petzl]

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:37:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"

I can see it is well made and unlikely to do harm,
You often have panic attacks

>
>Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>
>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>
>>> A few months proves nothing.
>
>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>> magnetic field
>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>> (unit micro Tesla)
>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?
>
>All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.
>

I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59

Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but only within a
6 inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, no more than room
temperature. it has ample vent holes,

>
>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>
>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>
>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>
>He also tears down the expensive stuff
>and shows how its designed to fail safe.
>

Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.
My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.

>
>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>
>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>
>Wont help when it fails during the day.
>

it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.

[Rod Speed]

You can't know that without drawing the circuit diagram.

>> Big Clive tears them down and works out the circuit
>> diagram and knows how that needs to be done to
>> fail safe and avoid killing what is being charged.
>>
>>>>> had it for a few months it's reliable
>>>>
>>>> A few months proves nothing.
>>
>>> It's right beside me no temperature always room temp, no smells,
>>> magnetic field
>>> goes from 35 12 inch away normal when computer running
>>> (unit micro Tesla)
>>> to 70 when I read it a inch away?

>> All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

> I use on my Android "Ultimate EMF Detector Pro" $1.59

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

> Gives me a idea of it's EMF emission, it does go up but onlywithin a 6
> inch field parameter so it's about 100watts, nomore than room

> temperature. it has ample vent holes,

All irrelevant to whether it will fail safe when it fails.

>>>>> No more than any USB charging device I suppos.e
>>
>>>> Watch Big Clive's utubes
>>
>>> Watched one interesting but seems he buys cheap crap.
>>> https://t.ly/hnkx9
>>
>> He also tears down the expensive stuff
>> and shows how its designed to fail safe.

> Yes very interesting, but he knows how to put them back together.

Not even possible when its potted and the best
of them are so that even a floor isnt a problem.

The Philips Hue stuff is potted.

> My plug in board will trip before any over load or power spike.

Irrelevant if it ends up with a short between the
110-240V input and the USB output internally. The
plug bosrd internal breaker won't help with tthat.

>>>>> Only have cheap gadgets plugged into it though
>>
>>> Why I shut everything down long before bed
>>
>> Wont help when it fails during the day.

> it won't. no more than my fridge will I'm certain.

You have no basis for that certainty.

[Petzl]

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 12:58:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"

The shit I have plugged into it is inexpensive at best.
The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger which you believe is a
worry?
My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
https://t.ly/-bq5G
The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
USB charger to me?
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

[Rod Speed]

Still better to not kill it.

> The dearest thing there is the USB $30 charger

So how do you charge your phone ?

> which you believe is a worry?

Of course it is with a decent phone.

> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
> https://t.ly/-bq5G

So how do you charge your phone ?

> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
> USB charger to me?

So how do you charge your phone ?

[Petzl]

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 20:04:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"

on my computer it backs up my phone to Gmail

>
>> which you believe is a worry?
>
>Of course it is with a decent phone.
>

Motorola mobiles have the best voice transmission/receiving range of
all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest Iphone.
Very pleased with mine thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP

I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction ($200 snipe) for a
Kiwi friend of mine who lives in the bush on the West Coast near
Greymouth.
His reaction to me asking if any problems
"Nah she's perfect"
Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearer voice
than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones) who are
impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).

>
>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>
>So how do you charge your phone ?
>
>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>> USB charger to me?
>
>So how do you charge your phone ?
>

on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up, had a virus from a
google play App reset to default and magically after connecting to
WiFi and Gmail a second later my phone back to where I had left it.

Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android
>
--
Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
摘verything that defines us is now an enemy,
so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
I can稚 define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
when I no longer have an identity or roots,
then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
: - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

[Rod Speed]

What do you mean by that ?

> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
> Iphone.

Who decided that.

> Very pleased with mine

So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.

> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP

> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.

> His reaction to me asking if any problems
> "Nah she's perfect"

And he doesnt even need to wear gum boots when fucking it.

> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice

> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are

> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).

So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

>>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>>
>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>
>>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>>> USB charger to me?
>>
>> So how do you charge your phone ?

> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail

Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.

> If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,

Any half way decent phone can do that.

> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I had

[Petzl]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:10:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"

Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly

>
>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>> Iphone.
>
>Who decided that.
>

Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
"Moto g 5G plus"

>
>> Very pleased with mine
>
>So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>
>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>
>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>> "Nah she's perfect"
>
>And he doesnt even need to wear gum boots when fucking it.
>

I won't go that far?

>
>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>
>So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>

Any charger can maybe do that, but never yet had a USB charger do so.

>
>>>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>>>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>>>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>>>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>>>
>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>>
>>>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>>>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20 Port
>>>> USB charger to me?
>>>
>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>
>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>
>Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>

? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.

>
>> If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>
>Any half way decent phone can do that.
>

Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable

>
>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I had
>> left it.
>
>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android

--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

[Rod Speed]

I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.

>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>> Iphone.

>> Who decided that.

> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe

Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.

And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.

> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
> "Moto g 5G plus"

What phone band.

>>> Very pleased with mine
>>
>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>
>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>
>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>
>> And he doesnt even need to wear gum boots when fucking it.

> I won't go that far?

So he now fucks them both.

>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>
>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

> Any charger can maybe do that,

Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
a proper optical isolator.

> but never yet had a USB charger do so.

Others have. You are what is technically known
as a pathetically inadequate sample.

>>>>> My Cold water eye steamer is my favorite cost $13, replaces eye drops
>>>>> ($20) with tap water (I add a "ear" cotton bud dip of lavender oil to
>>>>> it's desertspoon reservoir of water)
>>>>> https://t.ly/-bq5G
>>>>
>>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>>>
>>>>> The gas stove electric lighter 2 for $10, my neck fan $10, my air
>>>>> antibacterial purifier $15 and so on, look more dodgy than the 20
>>>>> Port
>>>>> USB charger to me?
>>>>
>>>> So how do you charge your phone ?
>>
>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>
>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.

> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.

Which Samsung ?

>>> If J reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,

>> Any half way decent phone can do that.

> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable

That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.

[Petzl]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> What do you mean by that ?
>
>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>
>I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>

Those doing advertisements for them might!

But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
Samsung are more interested in providing fluff like reality glasses,
photo's and such.
My Moto photo's are adequate
https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)

>
>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>> Iphone.
>
>>> Who decided that.
>
>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>
>Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>

Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
Choice magazine once did a check on cat food, they found at the time
the best was the Aldi and the cheapest.
The others were slowly killing them.
That did not go down well at all.

>
>And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>

You always believe what your ouija board tells you not fact.

>
>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>
>What phone band.
>

mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap

>
>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>
>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>
>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>
>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a Kiwi
>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near Greymouth.
>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>

Snip for the kiddies

>
>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>
>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
>Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>a proper optical isolator.
>

Why would this one be?
Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging but you didn't
believe that either?

>
>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>
>Others have. You are what is technically known
>as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>

You though are a adequate sample?
Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>
SNIP

>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>
>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>
>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>
>Which Samsung ?
>

Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>
>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,

>
>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>
>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>
>That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>

Yes
But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
versa?
My Windows phone would not!

>
>>>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically after
>>>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I
>>>> had left it.
>>>
>>>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>>>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android

--
Petzl
Churches and schools are under attack by forces that seek to demonize
traditional values by conflating them with bigotry and oppression.
Progressive teachers and church leaders promote LGBT ideologies that,
left unchecked, would destroy the traditional family — the foundation
of Western civilization.
https://youtu.be/FCh6auCKYS0?t=93
Laura Aboli “Transhumanism: The End Game”

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>
>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>
>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.

> Those doing advertisements for them might!

Who cares ?

> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.

That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
you said. No point in repeating all that.

> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
> photo's and such.

More bullshit.

> My Moto photo's are adequate
> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)

I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
I do prefer the much higher quality videos.

>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>> Iphone.
>>
>>>> Who decided that.
>>
>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>
>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.

> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
> Choice magazine

We aren't discussing Choice, we are
discussing the UK equivalent, Which.

> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the

> Aldi and the cheapest.
> The others were slowly killing them.
> That did not go down well at all.

>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>

>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>
>> What phone band.

> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap

I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.

>>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>>
>>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>>
>>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>>
>>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a
>>>>> Kiwi
>>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near
>>>>> Greymouth.
>>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>>
> Snip for the kiddies
>>
>>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>>
>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>
>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>
>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>> a proper optical isolator.

> Why would this one be?

So the charger doesnt kill what
is being charged if it dies.

> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.

Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.

> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging

The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

> but you didn't believe that either?

Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.

>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>
>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.

> You though are a adequate sample?

Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.

> Have a lot of tech savvy mates

But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.

> SNIP
>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>
>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>
>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>
>> Which Samsung ?
>>
> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>
>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>
>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>
>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>
>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>
> Yes
> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
> versa?
> My Windows phone would not!

Your Moto doesnt do iphones.

[Petzl]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:07:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>>
>>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>>
>>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>
>> Those doing advertisements for them might!
>
>Who cares ?
>

Those who PSYOP peoples thinking like yours Rod!

>
>> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
>> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
>> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
>
>That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
>you said. No point in repeating all that.
>

In reality I can get signal when others can't Rod why is that you
think?

>
>> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
>> photo's and such.
>
>More bullshit.
>

Bought 1 Samsung never again. Their present adverts are promoting,
gaming, photo's and videos, not signal reception.
My Kiwi mate confirms this and he is much more tech savvy than even
you Rod and he don't "bullshit" ever.

>
>> My Moto photo's are adequate
>> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
>> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)
>
>I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
>I do prefer the much higher quality videos.
>

As a photographer I admit I stink nut not seen a better photo than my
Moto takes, this was without flash full depth of field, no dark spots
https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3

>
>>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>>> Iphone.
>>>
>>>>> Who decided that.
>>>
>>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>>
>>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>
>> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
>> Choice magazine
>
>We aren't discussing Choice, we are
>discussing the UK equivalent, Which.
>

Not sure, Choice I believe, don't see why the UK equivalent would be
different?

>
>> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the
>> Aldi and the cheapest.
>> The others were slowly killing them.
>> That did not go down well at all.
>
>>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>>
>>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>>
>>> What phone band.
>
>> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap
>
>I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.
>

Sent you a link in last message

Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>

>>>>>> Very pleased with mine
>>>>>
>>>>> So its not a great idea if your charger kills it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks to "Jonz" https://t.ly/BdPKP
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a new "Moto g 5G plus" on Ebay auction($200 snipe) for a
>>>>>> Kiwi
>>>>>> friend of mine who livesin the bush on the West Coast near
>>>>>> Greymouth.
>>>>>> His reaction to me asking if any problems
>>>>>> "Nah she's perfect"
>>>>>
>> Snip for the kiddies
>>>
>>>>>> Also he can pickup and send (hear and speak) better with clearervoice
>>>>>> than anyone else nearby (mostly Farmers with new Iphones)who are
>>>>>> impressed by it the area mobile towers are few and far).
>>>>>
>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>> a proper optical isolator.
>
>> Why would this one be?
>
>So the charger doesnt kill what
>is being charged if it dies.
>

NEVER had that happen ever?
Don't believe it will happen with my 30 port USB charger

>
>> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
>> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
>
>Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.
>

NEVER had that happen ever?

>
>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>
>The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>to get from the charger to the device, stupid.
>

Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

>> but you didn't believe that either?
>
>Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.
>

Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

>
>>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>>
>>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>
>> You though are a adequate sample?
>
>Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
>that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.
>
>> Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>
>But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.
>

Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

>
>> SNIP
>>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>>
>>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>>
>>> Which Samsung ?
>>>
>> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>>
>>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>>
>>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>>
>>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>>
>>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>>
>> Yes
>> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
>> versa?
>> My Windows phone would not!
>
>Your Moto doesnt do iphones.
>

Probably not, do iphones dp Android?

>
>>>>>> had a virus from a google play App reset to defaultand magically
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> connecting to WiFi and Gmaila second later my phone back to where I
>>>>>> had left it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since bought Bitdefender recomeded by SpyHunter
>>>>>> https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android

--
Petzl
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
- Soren Kierkegaard

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:50:00 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:07:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:09:53 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>>>
>>>>> Where say a Samsung can't get a signal Moto can and clearly
>>>>
>>>> I just don't believe that that phone is the best android.
>>
>>> Those doing advertisements for them might!
>>
>> Who cares ?
>>

>>> But I never said that, what I said was it is the top *Android* for
>>> receiving calls, hearing them and transmitting calls, other party
>>> hearing you, you hearing them clearly.
>>
>> That's bullshit and I just abbreviated what
>> you said. No point in repeating all that.
>>
> In reality I can get signal when others can't Rod why is that you
> think?

Don't believe that you are the only one to get a signal.

>>> Samsung are more interested in providingfluff like reality glasses,
>>> photo's and such.
>>
>> More bullshit.

> Bought 1 Samsung never again.

That one did catch fire, but that's a different issue.

> Their present adverts are promoting, gaming,photo's and videos, not
> signal reception.

Irrelevant to how well their phones perform signal reception wise.
Mate of mine works as a council truck driver well west of me and
knows how they perform in the fringe areas because that is where
he spends most of his work time and he is always easy to understand.

> My Kiwi mate confirms this and he is muchmore tech savvy than even you
> Rod

Bullshit.

>>> My Moto photo's are adequate
>>> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3
>>> Local Golf club after lunch yesterday and a few beers (no flash)

>> I used to think that, but now that I am using tiktok
>> I do prefer the much higher quality videos.

> As a photographer I admit I stink nut not seen a better photo than my
> Moto takes, this was without flash full depth of field, no dark spots
> https://ibb.co/KyNJrv3

Plenty on tiktok leave that for dead.

>>>>>>> of all Android phones, the only one found 2% better is the latest
>>>>>>> Iphone.
>>>>
>>>>>> Who decided that.
>>>>
>>>>> Can't now find it, was a overseas Choice type magazine UK I believe
>>>>
>>>> Which, which has a pathetic reputation for getting anything right.
>>
>>> Not according to those manufacturers who don't like the truth
>>> Choice magazine
>>
>> We aren't discussing Choice, we are
>> discussing the UK equivalent, Which.

> Not sure, Choice I believe,

That's not what you said, previously, its still there in the quoting.

> don't see why the UK equivalent would be different?

It is anyway.

>>> once did a check on cat food, they found at thetime the best was the
>>> Aldi and the cheapest.
>>> The others were slowly killing them.
>>> That did not go down well at all.
>>
>>>> And I just don't believe that its true of all phone bands either.
>>>>
>>>>> But seems confirmable here My neighbour with his Iphone often has to
>>>>> go outside for Telstra reception (I couldn't with my Samsung on
>>>>> Telstra but could with MyAmasim not well) No troubles with my 2021
>>>>> "Moto g 5G plus"
>>>>
>>>> What phone band.
>>
>>> mine? Samsung N7100 expensive crap
>>
>> I was talking about the phone BAND, not BRAND.

> Sent you a link in last message
> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php

That's not the PHONE BAND you and your neighbour are USING.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically indaequate sample'

> Don't believe it will happen with my 30 port USB charger

You have no basis for that belief.

>>> Been using chargers for age's, The only ones that played up were for
>>> AA/AAA batteries but never caused fires or smoke.
>>
>> Doesnt matter if those kill the battery if they fail, stupid.
>>
> NEVER had that happen ever?

The technical term for that is 'pathetically indaequate sample'

>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>>
>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

Bullshit and that won't save the device when the
failed charger fails and puts 240V on the device.

>>> but you didn't believe that either?
>>
>> Because you don't have a clue about how USB chargers work.
>>
> Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

Using them says nothing about HOW THEY WORK, stupid.

>>>>> but never yet had a USB charger do so.
>>>>
>>>> Others have. You are what is technically known
>>>> as a pathetically inadequate sample.
>>
>>> You though are a adequate sample?
>>
>> Never said that. I wasnt the one silly enough to claim
>> that what I personaly have seen proves a damned thing.
>>
>>> Have a lot of tech savvy mates
>>
>> But don't have a fucking clue about how USB chargers work.
>>
> Yes I do been using them snce the first were made.

Using them says nothing about HOW THEY WORK, stupid.

>>> SNIP
>>>>>>> on my computer, it backs up my phone all contacts to Gmail
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes a lot more sense to backup everything using wifi.
>>>>
>>>>> ? mine does it automatically, the Samsung didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Which Samsung ?
>>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy Note II N7100
>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
>>>>
>>>>>>> If I reset it comes back exactly as I set it up,
>>>>
>>>>>> Any half way decent phone can do that.
>>>>
>>>>> Well this one does perfectly with other Android mobiles
>>>>> Don't know if Android and Iphone are compatable
>>>>
>>>> That has nothing to do with compatability, it happens over wifi.
>>>>
>>> Yes
>>> But would Iphone saved data also configure to a Android phone and vice
>>> versa?
>>> My Windows phone would not!
>>
>> Your Moto doesnt do iphones.
>>
> Probably not, do iphones dp Android?

Irrelevant. What you said you can do if your phone dies or
get stolen is just as true of all decent modern smartphones.

[Petzl]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 08:15:15 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging
>>>
>>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.
>
>> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.
>
>Bullshit and that won't save the device when the
>failed charger fails and puts 240V on the device.
>

That has only happened once in the history of Australia.
Very confident it can't and won't happen with my 20 port USB charger!
<https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faulty-usb-phone-charger-blamed-for-sheryl-aldeguers-death-20140627-zsoc8.html>
https://t.ly/by5wX
Faulty USB phone charger blamed for Sheryl Aldeguer's death
Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found dead while wearing
headphones inside an East Gosford home with burns on her ears and
chest after a faulty charger sent a high current through her body,
according to Fair Trading NSW.
Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found dead while wearing
headphones inside an East Gosford home with burns on her ears and
chest after a faulty charger sent a high current through her body,
according to Fair Trading NSW.
--
Petzl
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heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

[keithr0]

On 10/02/2024 2:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:55:03 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>
>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>
> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
> a proper optical isolator.

How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?

[Rod Speed]

keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.

>>> Any charger can maybe do that,

>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>> a proper optical isolator.

> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?

By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.

Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Any how My charging/data cable stops any over charging

>>>> The cable does nothing except allows the electricity
>>>> to get from the charger to the device, stupid.

>>> Mine has a current regulator going into phones USB C charging port.

>> Bullshit and that won't save the device whenthe charger fails and puts

>> 240V on the device.

> That has only happened once in the history of Australia.

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> Very confident it can't and won't happen with my 20 port USB charger!
> <https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/faulty-usb-phone-charger-blamed-for-sheryl-aldeguers-death-20140627-zsoc8.html>
> https://t.ly/by5wX

That's just a human death, stupid.

> Faulty USB phone charger blamed for Sheryl Aldeguer'sdeath

> Mother-of-two Sheryl Anne Aldeguer was found deadwhile wearing
> headphones inside an East Gosford home withburns on her ears and chest
> after a faulty charger sent a highcurrent through her body, according
> to Fair Trading NSW.

[keithr0]

So the opto-isolator completely isolates the USB socket from the mains plug?

[Rod Speed]

> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the mains
> plug?

With one that is designed properly, yep.

[keithr0]

Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

[Xeno]

Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
*blocking current* from one device to another.

>
> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Rod Speed]

Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the USB
side

[Rod Speed]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:20:46 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 12/2/2024 8:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>> safe?
>>>
>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the
>>>> mains plug?
>>>
>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.

> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*whilst
> *blocking current* from one device to another.

You always 'thought' wrong, as always,

>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

Look at the big clive circuit.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:20:46 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 12/2/2024 8:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>>
>>>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>>>> mains  plug?
>>>
>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.
>
>Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>*blocking current* from one device to another.
>

Well a cheap one is over US$100 rely on optical data conection waithg
for smoke, or Sydney air!
<https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
https://t.ly/anmGm
OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
PORT-POWERED)

Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
No other USB port charger has one either!

More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
The melting plastic sticking to your skin
But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry

>>
>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
>Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!
--

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> keithr0 wrote

>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>>
>>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>>> safe?
>>>>
>>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>>
>>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe USB socket from the
>>>>> mains plug?
>>>>
>>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.
>>
>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>> *blocking current* from one device to another.

> Well a cheap one is over US$100

Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

> rely on optical data conection waithg for smoke, or Sydney air!
> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
> https://t.ly/anmGm
> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
> PORT-POWERED)

Different animal entirely.

> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.

> No other USB port charger has one either!

Wrong, as always.

> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!

That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.

> The melting plastic sticking to your skin

Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.

> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry

You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:12:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>

I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
It's something no one would ask for
>
>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!

>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>> PORT-POWERED)
>
>Different animal entirely.
>

Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!

>
>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.
>
>> No other USB port charger has one either!
>
>Wrong, as always.
>

So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?

>
>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>
>That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>
>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>
>Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>
>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry
>
>You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.
>

It gets hot and humid here sometimes

>
>>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
>>> Eagerly awaiting Rod's answer!

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.

>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100

>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant.

> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.

Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.

> It's something no one would ask for

How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.

>>> rely on optical data conection waiting for smoke, or Sydney air!
>>> <https://www.commfront.com/products/industrial-opto-isolated-usb-to-rs232-rs485-rs422-converter?variant=9075644099>
>>> https://t.ly/anmGm
>>> OPTO-ISOLATED USB TO RS232 / RS485 / RS422 CONVERTER (INDUSTRIAL /
>>> PORT-POWERED)

>> Different animal entirely.

> Maybe a overkill but that is what you are implying!

Nope, dope.

>>> Don't know if my 20 port USB charger has one or not.

>>> No other USB port charger has one either!

>> Wrong, as always.

> So if I tell you it's got one you would accept it?

You are completely irrelevant. What
matters is whether it has one or not.

>>> More worried about my cool polyester Hawaiian shirt catching fire!
>>
>> That's the risk you take when you run around with your arse on fire.
>>
>>> The melting plastic sticking to your skin
>>
>> Just what you deserve when you disturb the peace running
>> around with your arse on fire stinking the place out.
>>
>>> But cotton Hawaiian shirts soak-up sweat and don't have a cooling
>>> action like a synthetic one does, also cheap easy to wash quick to dry
>>
>> You aren't in Hawaii, stupid.

> It gets hot and humid here sometimes

You problem, you sweaty pig.

[Xeno]

On 7/2/2024 2:20 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 13:14:45 +1100, Max <m...@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>>> Pays to have USB drives turned off (if possible, my multiple ports
>>> have on off buttons, get one with Au plug DC power supply)
>>>
>>> Mines 10 USB ports each with on/off button no sold out
>>> Temu page postage included in price. but make sure for electric DC.
>>> you use a Au IP not VPN, or confuses the Chinese BOT which overrides
>>> you postal address? Hate using travel adaptors.
>>> https://t.ly/c-t7D
>>> This is only 7 port but DC powered, look or wait for a 10 port is my
>>> preference.
>>
>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>>
> Difference is cost
> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>
> From Temu
> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
> ***AU$51.49***
>>
> Australia, still probably made in China though
> https://t.ly/SB7QV
> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
> Part No. 43370
> **$209.00**
>>
When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
the eye.
Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.

Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
her iPhone while it was charging. This seems technically plausible to me
if she were using a cheap or counterfeit charger like I describe below.
There's 340 volts DC inside the charger, which is enough to kill. In a
cheap charger, there can be less than a millimeter separating this
voltage from the output, a fraction of the recommended safe distance.
These charger sometimes short out (picture), which could send lethal
voltage through the USB cable. If the user closes the circuit by
standing on a damp floor or touching a grounded metal surface,
electrocution is a possibility. If moisture condenses in the charger
(e.g. in a humid bathroom), shorting becomes even more likely. Genuine
Apple chargers (and other brand-name chargers) follow strict safety
regulations (teardown) so I would be surprised if this electrocution
happened with a name-brand charger. Since counterfeits look just like
real chargers, I'll wait for an expert to determine if a genuine Apple
charger was involved or not. I've read suggestions that the house wiring
might have been to blame, but since chargers are typically ungrounded I
don't see how faulty house wiring would play a role. I should point out
that since there are few details at this point, this is all speculation;
it's possible the phone and charger weren't involved at all.

The above was from the link below.

http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html

To which I was led from this link here;

http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html

All I can say is; compare the pair!

[Petzl]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:58:04 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> Those sorts of devices may be available locally from places like Umart.
>>>
>> Difference is cost
>> External reliable DC plug power supply important or your USB Terabyte
>> drives will die a horrible expensive death
>>>
>> From Temu
>> https://ibb.co/gR4Y0Xd
>> High Function And High Power 10-port HUB, This Device Can Solve The
>> Home Computer To Expand The USB Interface Is Not Enough Trouble Office
>> Business Game Finance And Other Occasions To Use, But Also Equipped
>> With 12V High Power Supply, Some Business Game Finance And Other
>> External Large Capacity Hard Disk Box
>> ***AU$51.49***
>>>
>> Australia, still probably made in China though
>> https://t.ly/SB7QV
>> 10 Port USB 3.0 Hub With On/Off Switches
>> Part No. 43370
>> **$209.00**
>>>
>When it comes to *USB chargers*, there's a lot more to them than meets
>the eye.
>Firstly - on the death of a woman by charger.
>
>Thoughts on the death of Ma Ailun
>According to reports, a woman in China was tragically electrocuted using
>her iPhone while it was charging.

>The above was from the link below.
>
>http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>
>To which I was led from this link here;
>
>http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>
>All I can say is; compare the pair!
>

Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO

I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
Which I bought in Australia,
A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
adequately Photo/video/Skype
For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
<https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>

Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
It is safe.
Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
Works well, it runs cool current steady
https://t.ly/CaHf-
(I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
.
My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
https://t.ly/EDtIY
Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:59:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals* whilst
>>>>> *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>
>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
>
>You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>irrelevant.
>
>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
>
>Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.
>

It won't and can't

>
>> It's something no one would ask for
>
>How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.
>

Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
well.

--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

You're a fool.

> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
> It is safe.

You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.

>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100

>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.

>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;

>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>> irrelevant.

>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.

>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.

> It won't and can't

Wrong, as always.

>>> It's something no one would ask for

>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.

> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
> well.

What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.

[Petzl]

It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
instance, killing someone!

>
>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>> It is safe.
>
>You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.
>

You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
Iphone ranting.
This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.
<https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176019875805?chn=ps&_ul=AU&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1VJCLnR6NQ0-1m3pfPnWvDA55&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=176019875805&targetid=2202690667187&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071858&poi=&campaignid=19901947154&mkgroupid=149149151722&rlsatarget=pla-2202690667187&abcId=9308308&merchantid=118968743&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAw6yuBhDrARIsACf94RUPj9DyGv6CYL-09W37Oq6WICrkLbikM_d3xqaoex6NxhkGw9MJkksaAqCJEALw_wcB>
https://t.ly/q5Pt_
AU Plug)100W USB Charging Station 20 Port USB Charger Hub USB Charger
Multi

>
>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
> .
>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

Nope, it was a non apple charger that did that, fool.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:45:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Odd, I always thought opto-isolators were for *passing signals*
>>>>>>> whilst *blocking current* from one device to another.
>
>>>>>> Well a cheap one is over US$100
>
>>>>> Wrong, as always. Even the Apple ones
>>>>> don't cost that and neither do the Ankers.
>
>>>> I'm not using it to charge Mobiles, Laptops or ear phones;
>
>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>>> irrelevant.
>
>>>> Just don't see the need for this 20 port USB charger to have one.
>
>>> Its there so that if it dies badly, what is
>>> being charged doesnt get 240V, stupid.
>
>> It won't and can't
>
>Wrong, as always.
>
>>>> It's something no one would ask for
>
>>> How odd that Apple and Anker and countless others include it.
>
>> Anker is a Chinese company, Apple have their devices made in China as
>> well.
>
>What matters is the DESIGN, fuckwit.
>

This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
general very safe to use.
Amazon this tome but no post price.
<https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
https://t.ly/A4CXM
About this item
[Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
is safe and efficient.
[Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
effectively reduce battery consumption.
[Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
[100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
[Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
at home, and more.
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord, one thousand, eight hundred and eighty-three.
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**
Cultural Marxism aims
1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration and multiculturalism to destroy a countries identity.
6. The promotion of drug taking (while pretending it is bad)
7. Emptying of churches
(Only the Christian churches as the underlying basis of our society is Judaeo Christian) Other religions are to be promoted and protected.
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime (Soft sentencing, revolving doors, more concern for the welfare of criminals than victims)
9. Creating dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family by:
(a) Attack the authority of the father.
(b) deny the specific roles of father and mother.
(c) Wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
(d) Abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
(e) Abolish all forms of male dominance
(f) Declare women to be an 'oppressed class' and men as 'oppressors'

[Rod Speed]

But unless someone does a teardown and draws
up the circuit, you have no idea if it will always
fail safe and can never kill what its charging.

> Certified USB devices are in general very safe to use.

Wrong, as always when they fail.

> Amazon this tome but no post price.
> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
> https://t.ly/A4CXM
> About this item
> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports

> charging 20 mobile phones or digital productsat the same time, which is
> safe and efficient.

Just because the seller claims something...

> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smartidentification

> chip, real time current control, to achievefast charging and
> effectively reduce battery consumption.

That last makes no sense.

> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC andABS
> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant
< to high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
> at home, and more.

And says nothing about whether it FAILS SAFE.

[Peter Jason]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 10:43:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"

I have a 10-port (with chargers) powered hub to replace those hideous
SATA plugs & sockets on the average motherboard. I wasted a lot of
time in the past with a tower computer, with those HDD slots, always
pointing the wrong way and impossible to negotiate.
I saw the light and bought a NUC computer from which all accessories
are external, even the CCTV system with a good monitor.
In fact, the new setup is faster than the old!

[Xeno]

I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
chargers can be equally dangerous to use.

>
> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
> Which I bought in Australia,

That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.

> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best

That is not the point I am making.

> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
> adequately Photo/video/Skype
> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>
> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
> It is safe.
> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
> Works well, it runs cool current steady
> https://t.ly/CaHf-
> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
> .
> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
> https://t.ly/EDtIY
> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--

[Xeno]

The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.

>>
>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>> It is safe.
>>
>> You have no fucking idea if its safe for the devices being charged or not.
>>
> You don't either, or you saying you pull you USB charging devices
> apart to look at some micro part that can't be seen.
> The device is sold in Australia twice for what I paid TEMU.
> It's passed Australian electrical safety standards, just not your
> Iphone ranting.
> This is it get one Rod, it's a good one.
> <https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176019875805?chn=ps&_ul=AU&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1VJCLnR6NQ0-1m3pfPnWvDA55&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=176019875805&targetid=2202690667187&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071858&poi=&campaignid=19901947154&mkgroupid=149149151722&rlsatarget=pla-2202690667187&abcId=9308308&merchantid=118968743&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAw6yuBhDrARIsACf94RUPj9DyGv6CYL-09W37Oq6WICrkLbikM_d3xqaoex6NxhkGw9MJkksaAqCJEALw_wcB>
> https://t.ly/q5Pt_
> AU Plug)100W USB Charging Station 20 Port USB Charger Hub USB Charger
> Multi
>>
>>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>> .
>>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--

[Xeno]

Where's the Aussie certification??

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:24:37 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>> This one is well designed flame proof, Certified USB devices are in
>> general very safe to use.
>> Amazon this tome but no post price.
>> <https://www.amazon.com.au/Charging-Station-100-240V-Adaptive-Intelligent/dp/B0CHQW149S?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A17KPCJ25NSBQE&th=1>
>> https://t.ly/A4CXM
>> About this item
>> [Multi Ports Design] The 20 port USB 5V 20A smart fastsupports
>> charging 20 mobile phones or digital products at the same time, which
>> is safe and efficient.
>> [Smart Chip] Each USB port is equipped with a new smart identification
>> chip, real time current control, to achieve fast charging and
>> effectively reduce battery consumption.
>> [Flame Retardant And Durable] The product uses high quality PC and ABS
>> fire retardant and flame retardant material, which are resistant to
>> high temperature. Sponge footpad at the bottom for more stability.
>> [100-240V Wide Voltage] Using 100-240V wide voltage design, highly
>> adaptable to different levels of voltage, with a 50 degree intelligent
>> cooling fan, can charge equipment from all over the world.
>> [Widely Compatible] This multi port USBis convenient for the whole
>> family to charge their smart phones and tablets at airports, hotels,
>> at home, and more.
>
>Where's the Aussie certification??
>

Can't be sold in Australia without one
A number of electronic companies sell them.
--
Petzl
Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:15:32 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>>
>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>> instance, killing someone!
>
>The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>

Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
they sold with it at the time.
Apple are full of twist and spin.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:09:54 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>
>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>
>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>
>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>
>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>
>I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>
>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>> Which I bought in Australia,
>
>That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>

Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
Not dead yet?

>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>
>That is not the point I am making.
>

But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
charger with the Iphone they then sold?

>
>> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
>> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
>> adequately Photo/video/Skype
>> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
>> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>>
>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>> It is safe.
>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>> .
>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.
--

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>> instance, killing someone!

Bare faced lie.

>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.

> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
> they sold with it at the time.

Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

> Apple are full of twist and spin.

You have never had a fucking clue.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>> chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>
>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>
>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>
> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
> Not dead yet?
>
>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>
>> That is not the point I am making.

> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphonestarted coming with a safer
> charger,

THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.

> rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did notput that charger with

> the Iphone they then sold?

Nothing was reworded.

THE CHARGER USED WAS NOT MADE BY APPLE, FUCKWIT.

[Petzl]

Never said it was!

It came with the 2013 Apple phone bought from a Apple store
<https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
https://t.ly/8zqgJ
According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
charge it.

[Xeno]

Yeah, right!

> A number of electronic companies sell them.

Have you seen the news of late, the Chinese are even faking the fakes
and selling them overseas.

[Xeno]

On 14/2/2024 3:40 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:15:32 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>> instance, killing someone!
>>
>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>>
> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
> they sold with it at the time.

The charging devices are made to Apple spec, the clone chargers will not be.

> Apple are full of twist and spin.

Chargers are the first thing that gets lost. Ask me how I know!

I go out and buy the OEM originals, others, especially the Chinese, are
tempted to by the much cheaper knock off units.

[Xeno]

On 14/2/2024 3:51 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:09:54 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
>>>>
>>>> To which I was led from this link here;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is; compare the pair!
>>>>
>>> Lucky I don't use a Iphone then.
>>> This is just fear mongering to push Apple products IMO
>>
>> I very much doubt that. The article shows how, and why, the cheap
>> Chinese charger isn't standards compliant and dangerous to use. Good
>> quality non-iPhone chargers can well be compliant. Cheap non-OEM Samsung
>> chargers can be equally dangerous to use.
>>>
>>> I use a Motorola moto g 5G plus which comes with its own charger.
>>> Which I bought in Australia,
>>
>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>
> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address

A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.

> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
> Not dead yet?

Due!

>
>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>
>> That is not the point I am making.
>>
> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that

Who is doing the rewording?

> charger with the Iphone they then sold?

Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
was *not* an Apple unit.

>>
>>> available for this in Android phones. Iphones are slightly better.
>>> Does everything else a good Mobile smart phone does more than
>>> adequately Photo/video/Skype
>>> For android you need a good Malware detector, recommend Bitdefender
>>> <https://www.bitdefender.com.au/solutions/mobile-security-android>
>>>
>>> Not worried using this 20 USB port charger.
>>> It is safe.
>>> Only used for charging the many USB charged devices I have.
>>> Works well, it runs cool current steady
>>> https://t.ly/CaHf-
>>> (I have a Watt meter where my computer and accessories plug into wall)
>>> .
>>> My home power supply has a "earth leakage circuit breaker" for all 240
>>> volt outlets, which has never tripped, my neihbour is a sparky and he
>>> can't find anything wrong with all devices in home.
>>> https://t.ly/EDtIY
>>> Frequently Asked Questions - Earth Leakage.

--

[Xeno]

On 14/2/2024 4:37 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>>> instance, killing someone!
>
> Bare faced lie.

Well, no proof it was an Apple charger.

>
>>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>
>> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
>> they sold with it at the time.
>
> Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

Yep, every Apple device I have comes with an Apple certified charger.

>
>> Apple are full of twist and spin.
>
> You have never had a fucking clue.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

Everyone can see that you did.

> It came with the 2013 Apple phone bought from a Apple store

BULLSHIT.

> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
> charge it.

Just because some fuckwit claims something...

[Rod Speed]

Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> It was a Apple Iphone USB charging device that failed in this
>>>>> instance, killing someone!

>> Bare faced lie.

> Well, no proof it was an Apple charger.

In fact we know that it wasnt,

>>>> The jury is out on that. I have USB charging devices here that are non
>>>> OEM Apple that I use to charge iPhones. It was one instance and the
>>>> charger may have been non compliant as well as being non-OEM Apple.
>>
>>> Apple were selling Iphones made by them, but not the charging device
>>> they sold with it at the time.

>> Wrong, as always. At the time all iphones can with an Apple charger.

> Yep, every Apple device I have comes with an Apple certified charger.

They have just recently stopped doithat.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>
>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>
>A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>

Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
it.
Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.

>
>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>> Not dead yet?
>
>Due!
>>
>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>
>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>
>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>
>Who is doing the rewording?
>

Read it

<https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
https://t.ly/8zqgJ
According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

[Xeno]

On 14/2/2024 9:22 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>
>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>
>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>
> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.

Fakes of paper certification are made too.

> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
> it.
> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.

EBay, says it all.

Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
be most affected when globalisation shuts down - and that process has
already begun. That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring and
friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim Cooke
has *finally* woken up.

>>
>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>> Not dead yet?
>>
>> Due!
>>>
>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>
>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>
>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>
>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>
> Read it

I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!

> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>
>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>
>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>> was *not* an Apple unit.

[Rod Speed]

Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

[Rod Speed]

Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Petzl wrote

>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>
>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>
>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>
>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>
> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>
>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>> it.
>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>
> EBay, says it all.
>
> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
> by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
> China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
> fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
> be most affected when globalisation shuts down

Globalisation will never shut down.

> - and that process has already begun.

Bullshit.

> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring

That isnt happening.

> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim
> Cooke has *finally* woken up.

Fantasy.

[keithr0]

Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
doesn't like.....

[Rod Speed]

Nothing to do with what I like, fuckwit.

What matters is the FACT that it was not an apple charger.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 07:44:31 +1000, keithr0 <us...@account.invalid>
wrote:

>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>       https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>
>Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>doesn't like.....
>>

many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.
Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
<https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
https://t.ly/a8tah
"We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

*Apple declined to comment on details, such as whether this was an
isolated case.*

Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
a message that went viral on the site.

>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:08:40 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 14/2/2024 9:22 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:47:08 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>
>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>
>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>
>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>
>Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>

Who reads them even if realm which they mainly are?

>
>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>> it.
>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>
>EBay, says it all.
>

Most big retailers are on there, bought a fan from Harvey Norman a
month ago, a lot cheaper than their store/
My Moto was bought from a large Ebay retailer also

>
>Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in China)
>by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may occur in
>China, very few components in those products are manufactured there. In
>fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised - and will
>be most affected when globalisation shuts down - and that process has
>already begun. That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring and
>friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim Cooke
>has *finally* woken up.
>

Just make sure it's not answered while charging unless you use this
Petzl one.
https://t.ly/A4CXM

Apple declined to comment on details, such as whether this was an
isolated case.
>>>

>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>
>>> Due!
>>>>
>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>
>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>
>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>
>> Read it
>
>I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!
>

Told me she bought the Iphone and charger from a Apple shop.
You are like Rod Psyop'ed by ads. "It's to do with the vibe"
IMO Iphones are the best mobiles on the market just expensive.

>
>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>
>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>> was *not* an Apple unit.
--

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote

>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>> safer
>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that

>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?

>>>> Read it
>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to

>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...

>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>> doesn't like.....

> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,

Wrong, as always.

> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.

Wrong, as always.

> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.

You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.

> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
> https://t.ly/a8tah
> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

Doesnt mean that it was there charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.

> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
> isolated case.*

We know it was, fuckwit.

> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
> a message that went viral on the site.

Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

That phone CAME WITH A CHARGER, you pig ignorant clown.

> You are like Rod Psyop'ed by ads. "It's to do with the vibe"

Nothing to do with any ad, fuckwit.

[Xeno]

On 15/2/2024 5:48 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>
>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>
>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>
>> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>>
>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>> it.
>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>
>> EBay, says it all.
>>
>> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in
>> China) by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may
>> occur in China, very few components in those products are manufactured
>> there. In fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised
>> - and will be most affected when globalisation shuts down
>
> Globalisation will never shut down.

The Ukraine war has already precipitated the move.

>
>> - and that process has  already begun.
>
> Bullshit.

Nope, Covid began the thinking, others are well into the transition away
from China. Apple has way too much sunk cost to do an early and easy
move - but it is in the works and recent CCP initiatives re Apple have
ensured it.

>
>> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring
>
> That isnt happening.

You are reading the wrong news sources

>
>> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the party but at least Tim
>> Cooke has *finally* woken up.
>
> Fantasy.

Hardly!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-production-of-apple-iphones-has-been-moving-from-china-to-india#

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-28/apple-suppliers-are-racing-to-exit-china-airpods-maker-says?embedded-checkout=true

https://bestdiplomats.org/apple-shifting-from-china-to-india/#:~:text=Over%20reliance%20on%20China%20has,trade%20tensions%20or%20natural%20disasters.

>
>>>>> But did not keep, bought it in 2021.
>>>>> Not dead yet?
>>>>
>>>> Due!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A VERY adequate phone for receiving/transmitting it is the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not the point I am making.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a safer
>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>>>
>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>>>
>>> Read it
>>
>> I did. Tells me nothing, takes me nowhere!
>
>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>        https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>>
>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>
>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined, and
>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in question
>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

[Rod Speed]

Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>>> Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>>>> That will be AU standards compliant and will be thusly labelled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well it came with a micro-warranty, with a address
>>>>>
>>>>> A micro warranty is *not* a compliance certification.
>>>>>
>>>> Well in the box it came was a small bit of paper to small for me to
>>>> read. so I didn't, on 24 hours a day.
>>>
>>> Fakes of paper certification are made too.
>>>
>>>> Although I plug it into my computer sometimes to download Videos off
>>>> it.
>>>> Bought it of a biggish mobile retailer in Australia on Ebay.
>>>
>>> EBay, says it all.
>>>
>>> Just looking at my iPhone chargers - they're made (assembled? in
>>> China) by Flextronics. Like all Apple products, whilst assembly may
>>> occur in China, very few components in those products are manufactured
>>> there. In fact, Apple products are one of the world's most globalised
>>> - and will be most affected when globalisation shuts down

>> Globalisation will never shut down.

> The Ukraine war has already precipitated the move.

Bullshit is has.

>>> - and that process has already begun.

>> Bullshit.

> Nope, Covid began the thinking,

Bullshit.

> others are well into the transition away from China.

Bullshit.

> Apple has way too much sunk cost to do anearly and easy move - but it
> is in the works andrecent CCP initiatives re Apple have ensured it.

Bullshit.

>>> That is why Apple is now re-shoring, on-shoring

>> That isnt happening.

> You are reading the wrong news sources

Have fun listing any useful news sources that say anything like that.

>>> and friend-shoring. They're a bit late to the partybut at least Tim

>>> Cooke has *finally* woken up.

>> Fantasy.

> Hardly!

Fraid so.

> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-production-of-apple-iphones-has-been-moving-from-china-to-india#

Bullshit.

> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-28/apple-suppliers-are-racing-to-exit-china-airpods-maker-says?embedded-checkout=true

Bloomberg is just stock pumping, as always.

> https://bestdiplomats.org/apple-shifting-from-china-to-india/#:~:text=Over%20reliance%20on%20China%20has,trade%20tensions%20or%20natural%20disasters.

That steaming turd has never had a fucking clue.

[keithr0]

On 13/02/2024 2:06 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 20:34:59 +1100, keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2024 6:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote

>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>

>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>
>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail safe?
>>>
>>>>>  By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>  Look at the Big Clive site on utube.
>>>
>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolatesthe  USB socket from the
>>>> mains  plug?
>>>  With one that is designed properly, yep.
>>
>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?
>
> Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

Well speed, the only question is whether you're losing your marbles or
just never knew anything about electronics.

The "Opto" cannot supply power to the USB socket because it is an
opto-ISOLATOR, ie it ISOLATES one part of a circuit from an other so
that no current can pass.

The power, as anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject
knows, is passed through the transformer. The charger rectifies the
incoming AC and powers a circuit on the primary (high voltage) side
which feeds the transformer primary with high frequency AC. The
transformer being a step down, the secondary's rectified output gives 5
volts to the output socket. The transformer, if well made, is the main
isolator between the high voltage side and the low voltage side.

A well made charger will have physical isolation between the two sides,
the dangerous ones don't. Here's your mate Clive telling us how safe
this one is because of the physical separation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJbxhA0E3E

You'll note that although is is safe, it doesn't have an opto-isolator,
that's because it doesn't take the regulation feedback from the the
secondary side, although, as Clive demonstrates, the regulation is just
fine.

The Apple charger takes it's feedback from the secondary, and thus needs
an isolator in the feedback loop.Theoretically this is a better way of
regulating the output voltage, but in practice it makes bugger all
difference here, it's just Apple gold plating it's stuff as usual so
they can claim a "Superior product" and charge more for it, and it gives
something for the fanbois to boast about.

USB-C, the standard that Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming
into, is different, it can supply different voltages depending on what
the load can take, and thus needs a secondary to primary connection.

> Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the
> USB side

[Rod Speed]

keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> So its not a great idea to use a charger that can
>>>>>>>>>> kill it because it hasnt been designed properly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any charger can maybe do that,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. The best designs are designed to fail safe,
>>>>>>>> never deliver more voltage than the phone needs
>>>>>>>> no matter how the charger fails. They do that with
>>>>>>>> a proper optical isolator.
>>>>
>>>>>>> How is an opto-isolator going to make a charger completely fail
>>>>>>> safe?
>>>>
>>>>>> By ensuring that the 240V can't get on the USB lead, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the Big Clive site on utube.

>>>>> So the opto-isolator completely isolates

>>>>> the USB socket from the mains plug?

>>>> With one that is designed properly, yep.

>>> Then how does the power get from the mains to charge the USB device?

>> Via the opto, stupid. Look at the circuit that big clive has.

> Well speed, the only question is whether you're losing yourmarbles or

> just never knew anything about electronics.

> The "Opto" cannot supply power to the USB socket because it is an
> opto-ISOLATOR, ie it ISOLATES one part of a circuit from an other so
> that no current can pass.

Never said that current goes thru that, fuckwit.

> The power, as anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject
> knows, is passed through the transformer. The charger rectifies the
> incoming AC and powers a circuit on the primary (high voltage) side
> which feeds the transformer primary with high frequency AC. The
> transformer being a step down, the secondary's rectified output gives 5
> volts to the output socket. The transformer, if well made, is the main
> isolator between the high voltage side and the low voltage side.

Duh.

> A well made charger will have physical isolation between the two sides,

And that involves the opto, fuckwit.

> the dangerous ones don't. Here's your mate Clive telling ushow safe

> this one is because of the physical separation

And he points out that the opto does that, fuckwit.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJbxhA0E3E

> You'll note that although is is safe, it doesn't have an opto-isolator,

The Apple chargers do, fuckwit.

> that's because it doesn't take the regulation feedback from the the
> secondary side, although, as Clive demonstrates, the regulation is just
> fine.

> The Apple charger takes it's feedback from the secondary, and thus needs
> an isolator in the feedback loop.Theoretically this is a better way of
> regulating the output voltage, but in practice it makes bugger all
> difference here,

Bullshit.

> it's just Apple gold plating it's stuff as usual so they can claim a
> "Superior product" and charge more for it, and it gives something for
> the fanbois to boast about.

More bullshit.

> USB-C, the standard that Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming
> into, is different, it can supply different voltages depending on what
> the load can take, and thus needs a secondary to primary connection.

And an opto to do that safely, fuckwit.

>> Same as any other smps but with an opto between the mains side and the
>> USB side

So much for you stupid claim that there is no opto involved.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:18:40 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>>> safer
>>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>
>>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>
>>>>> Read it
>>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang region
>>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the iPhone
>>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>
>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>
>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>>> doesn't like.....
>
>> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
>
>Wrong, as always.
>

Well China has become the leading world economy.

>
>> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.
>
>Wrong, as always.
>

You go with your Ouija board every time Rod
<https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/>
https://t.ly/YsCAK
iPhones No Longer Come With a Charger or Headphones. Here’s What to
Get If You Need Them.
UPDATED SEPTEMBER 12, 2023
Apple has announced the new iPhone 15 series, which replaces the
company's longstanding Lightning connector with USB-C for the first
time. We'll update this guide soon to reflect this development.

>
>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>
>You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>

Motorola are shit? Your Ouija board tell you that.
My moto is not their top model but very good if you pay for a top
model it is better than an I phone, and comes with a charger.

Motorola invented the Mobile phone
On April 3, 1973, Motorola publicly demonstrated the world's first
portable cellular telephone and system. The first public calls using
Motorola DynaTAC (DYNamic Adaptive Total Area Coverage) technology
occurred in New York City.

>
>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
>> https://t.ly/a8tah
>> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
>> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
>> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.
>
>Doesnt mean that it was there charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.
>
>> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
>> isolated case.*
>
>We know it was, fuckwit.
>

Who is "we" white man.
If there are no reported "Fuck that was close" reports why not say so?

>
>> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
>> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
>> a message that went viral on the site.
>
>Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.
>

Thats the spin given, it was a charger supplied for the iPhone though,
through there store, in the same box.

>
>>>>>>> charger with the Iphone they then sold?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the issue, one would suspect there would need to be a systemic
>>>>>> problem. Since the charger in question was seemingly not examined,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> it was but one instance, it is more likely that the charger in
>>>>>> question
>>>>>> was *not* an Apple unit.

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:41:20 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:18:40 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> But after a death of a Iphone user, Iphone started coming with a
>>>>>>>> safer
>>>>>>>> charger, rewording the tragedy as to suggest they did not put that
>>
>>>>>>> Who is doing the rewording?
>>
>>>>>> Read it
>>>>>> <https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-probes-alleged-deadly-iphone-electrocution/story?id=19669136#.UeSkTtKnp7c>
>>>>>> https://t.ly/8zqgJ
>>>>>> According to Xinhaunet, Ma Ailun, from China's western Xinjiang
>>>>>> region
>>>>>> and a flight attendant with China Southern Airlines, bought the
>>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>> in December at an Apple store and was using the original charger to
>>
>>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something...
>>
>>>> Just because some fuckwit journo stupidly claims something that speed
>>>> doesn't like.....
>>
>>> many stories out there don't look good for Apple,
>>
>> Wrong, as always.

> Well China has become the leading world economy.

Bullshit it has. Nothing even remotely like that with
the military, aircraft or even cars or shipping.

>>> now they don't supply USB Chargers or headphones.

>> Wrong, as always.

> You go with your Ouija board every time Rod

We'll see...

> <https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/>
> https://t.ly/YsCAK
> iPhones No Longer Come With a Charger or Headphones.

But they still supply them if you want one, fuckwit.

> Here’s What to Get If You Need Them.
> UPDATED SEPTEMBER 12, 2023
> Apple has announced the new iPhone 15 series, which replaces the
> company's longstanding Lightning connector with USB-C for the first
> time. We'll update this guide soon to reflect this development.

Don't bother.

>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.

>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.

> Motorola are shit?

Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.

>>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-china-idUSL4N0FL1Y520130715/>
>>> https://t.ly/a8tah
>>> "We are deeply saddened to learn of this tragic incident and offer our
>>> condolences to the Ma family. We will fully investigate and cooperate
>>> with authorities in this matter," Apple said in an e-mail.

>> Doesnt mean that it was their charger, and it wasnt, fuckwit.

>>> *Apple declined to comment on details,such as whether this was an
>>> isolated case.*

>> We know it was, fuckwit.

> Who is "we" white man.

Anyone with even half a clue, fake coon.

> If there are no reported "Fuck that was close" reports why not say so?

Because there was nothing like that, fake coon.

>>> Ma's sister tweeted on Sina's microblog saying that Ma collapsed and
>>> died after using her charging iPhone 5 and urged users to be careful,
>>> a message that went viral on the site.

>> Doesnt mean it was an APPLE charger, fuckwit.

> Thats the spin given,

That's the fact, fake coon.

> it was a charger supplied for the iPhone though,

That's not what you claimed previosly, fake coon.

> through there store, in the same box.

That's not what you claimed previosly, fake coon.

It isnt even known that it was the charger that killed her, fake coon.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>
>>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>
>> Motorola are shit?
>
>Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.
>

Looking at this one now Rod
<https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
https://t.ly/kgelt
Brand Motorola
Model Name Motorola Edge 40 Pro
Wireless Carrier Unlocked for All Carriers
Operating System Android 13.0
Cellular Technology 5G
Memory Storage Capacity 12 GB
Connectivity Technology Wi-Fi
Color Blue
Screen Size 6.67 Inches
Wireless network technology Wi-Fi
--
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Great lawyers know the judge

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel
High Court reveals every current judge is a
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over
the sacking of 1700 workers.

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Rod believes his Ouija board before anything that rebukes his bull.
>>
>>>> You are the fuckwit that buys any shit that suits you.
>>
>>> Motorola are shit?
>>
>> Nope, the MEDIA shit you buy, fuckwit.
>>
> Looking at this one now Rod
> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
> https://t.ly/kgelt
> Brand Motorola
> Model Name Motorola Edge 40 Pro
> Wireless Carrier Unlocked for All Carriers
> Operating System Android 13.0
> Cellular Technology 5G
> Memory Storage Capacity 12 GB
> Connectivity Technology Wi-Fi
> Color Blue
> Screen Size 6.67 Inches
> Wireless network technology Wi-Fi

What's wrong with the current one ?

You need to check that it does our bands.

[Petzl]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Looking at this one now Rod
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>> https://t.ly/kgelt

>What's wrong with the current one ?
>

Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
price collapses, when/after their new model appears.

>
>You need to check that it does our bands.
>

Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia

My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
best,
Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
often has to go outside to listen to calls.
A lot of hills and trees?

The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
the kiwi bush.

A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
<https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
https://t.ly/iFeBC

Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
which also does all 3 bands.
<https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
https://t.ly/MGHqP

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>
> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>
>> You need to check that it does our bands.

> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia

There is more than one band used for those in Oz.

> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
> best,

> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
> often has to go outside to listen to calls.

> A lot of hills and trees?

Nothing to do with that.

> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
> the kiwi bush.

No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.

> A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
> Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
> etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
> https://t.ly/iFeBC

> Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
> which also does all 3 bands.

There aren't just 3 bands. Each of the Gs has more than one band.

> <https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
> https://t.ly/MGHqP

[Petzl]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:27:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>>
>> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
>> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>>
>>> You need to check that it does our bands.
>
>> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia
>
>There is more than one band used for those in Oz.
>

This link shows the bands it will work with in Au
<https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
https://t.ly/MGHqP
can't copy and past?

>
>> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
>> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
>> best,
>
>> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
>> often has to go outside to listen to calls.
>
>> A lot of hills and trees?
>
>Nothing to do with that.
>

Well reception goes up on other side of hill when on bus.
But goes past recent towers
The home Mobile transmitter is on top of water tower, but been there
for decades.

>
>> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
>> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
>> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
>> the kiwi bush.
>
>No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.
>

Well I did look and from what I then read was Motorola Mobiles
make/made the best Android recive/transmion mobiles, Iphone was rated
a bit beter than them. proved true to me,

>> A windows phone (on Amaysim) was good but stropped being made.
>> Not compatible for the Q-code Covid entry APP into stores, hotels,
>> etc. So "Johnz" pointed me to a Moto, turned out good advice.
>> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
>> https://t.ly/iFeBC
>
>> Not sold in Australia yet this is a older model sold in Australia
>> which also does all 3 bands.
>
>There aren't just 3 bands. Each of the Gs has more than one band.
>
>>

This link shows the bands it covers
<https://www.mobileciti.com.au/motorola-edge-40-5g-eclipse-black?gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJPrnhPx3XLziXKHgr0-vsktrBGBO-af3-iPlK78WPMOFlBkq6PdrHxoC-NcQAvD_BwE&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=00_Smart+Shopping+campaign&utm_term=&utm_source=adwords&hsa_src=x&hsa_acc=4638778441&hsa_mt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_tgt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&hsa_cam=1578143160&hsa_kw=&gad_source=1>
https://t.ly/MGHqP
can't copy and past?
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:45:36 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:27:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:14:21 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:54:24 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:29:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at this one now Rod
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Dual-SIM-Storage-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0BZ447PVD?ref_=ast_sto_dp>
>>>>> https://t.ly/kgelt
>>>> What's wrong with the current one ?
>>>>
>>> Nothing yet (it's perfect), but like to wait till the latest model
>>> price collapses, when/after their new model appears.
>>>>
>>>> You need to check that it does our bands.
>>
>>> Says it will do 5G, 4G, 3G in Australia
>>
>> There is more than one band used for those in Oz.
>>
> This link shows the bands it will work with in Au
> <https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/AU/motorola-edge-40-pro>
> https://t.ly/MGHqP

Which says that 1 of the 5G bands is missing.

> can't copy and past?

>>> My problem is with mobile reception, the Moto is clear in receiving
>>> and talking. the Moto signal strength APP, ranges from poor to fair at
>>> best,
>>
>>> Telstra is worse. Neighbours company Iphone (on telstra) very poor he
>>> often has to go outside to listen to calls.
>>
>>> A lot of hills and trees?
>>
>> Nothing to do with that.

> Well reception goes up on other side of hill when on bus.

Because you are closer to the tower you are using.

> But goes past recent towers

But you don't know whose towers they are.

> The home Mobile transmitter is on top ofwater tower, but been there for
> decades.

So is unlikely to be the problem with hills and trees.

And mobile towers aren't all omnidirectional.

>>> The Moto was a major improvement over the expensive Samsung, Amaysim
>>> worked with Samsung but bad reception, the Moto perfect reception.
>>> This Reception ability, was confirmed as amazing by my Kiwi mate in
>>> the kiwi bush.

>> No reason to believe that this new one would be any better.

> Well I did look and from what I then read was Motorola Mobiles
> make/made the best Android recive/transmion mobiles,

And yet it doesnt work well at your place.

> Iphone was rated a bit beter than them. proved true to me,

But still isnt very satisfactory and you have no idea
which band was used in that very poor test in Which.