Re: Hillary Clinton speaks on Climate Change

[Mighty Mouse]

Peter Jason wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>
>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>
>> I'm sure she's right..
> Or maybe she's barking frothing mad?

I was being sarcastic. it's a fake video of course. AI can reproduce voices.

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[Trevor Wilson]

**Were you joking when you claimed:

"just making fun of the climate change hoax"

To which, I asked:

Do tell.

In your response, address the following:

* Cite your climate science credentials, that we may accept your
hypothesis as valid.
* Cite your climate change hypothesis that explains the reasons behind
the present warming trend.
* Cite your climate change hypothesis that proves Arrhenius' theory on
human induced climate change is wrong. A theory, BTW, that was presented
back in 1899 and has NEVER been successfully challenged. NOT ONCE.

So, will you continue to avoid responding? Or will you admit that you
are either an idiot, or joking?

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[Mighty Mouse]

neither. it's a hoax in the sense that we are being lied to, to make us
do things here in Australia that wont make a scrap of difference to
global warming. examples.. reduce farming because cow farts supposedly
cause global warming. ride bikes, don't drive cars, because car exhausts
cause global warming. install stupid visually polluting wind turbines,
the manufacture, upkeep, and replacement of which is environmentally
polluting, and pay higher electricity prices for the privilege. use
electric cars when their production is also environmentally polluting,
etc., etc., but having said that, I have no great interest in the
debate. I'm too old to care anymore. I just object to stupid decisions
based on an agenda, that have no benefit to us and are detrimental to
our lifestyle or finances.

I saw an interesting video showing how many supposedly disastrous
climate predictions have not come true, but I haven't been able to find
it again. so I question how much about the current scenario is fact or
fiction. the latest nonsense I just saw is that humans breathing is
causing climate change. guess we have to kill a billion or so ppl to fix
that!

[Xeno]

Odd. Climate predictions made in the early 80s have certainly come true.
True though, getting rid of a billion or so humans will have a
noticeable effect and, between covid and recent wars, we might soon
approach that number. Unfortunately those events hinder the world's
efforts in growing food. Might be a problem down the track.


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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Trevor Wilson]

On 30/12/2023 4:45 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:

**Who is lying to us?
What are they lying about?

to make us
> do things here in Australia that wont make a scrap of difference to
> global warming. examples.. reduce farming because cow farts supposedly
> cause global warming.

**The vast majority of methane from ruminants is emitted from their
mouths. So, it's not cow farts that are the problem. Here's the thing:
Methane is around TWENTY TIMES more potent as a GHG (GreenHouse Gas)
than CO2. Reducing the amount of methane from ruminants would be very
significant.

ride bikes, don't drive cars, because car exhausts
> cause global warming.

**Burning ANY fossil fuel is causing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere
to rise and is thus causing global warming to accelerate.

install stupid visually polluting wind turbines,

**"Visually polluting wind turbines"?

Have you SEEN the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/an-open-cast-or-drift-coal-mine-in-the-hunter-royalty-free-image/578842426?adppopup=true

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/coal-mining-royalty-free-image/1279738823?adppopup=true

You need to get out more.

> the manufacture, upkeep, and replacement of which is environmentally
> polluting,

**EVERYTHING humans do is polluting. The trick is to REDUCE the amount
of pollution (notably CO2 and other GHGs) whilst doing things.

and pay higher electricity prices for the privilege.

**Coal is already a more expensive method of generating electricity than
renewables. You're paying more, because of privatisation. Mostly of
poles and wires. Blame the arseholes who sold off public assets to
private corporations.

use
> electric cars when their production is also environmentally polluting,

**Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst their operating those
ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other noxious chemicals.

> etc., etc., but having said that, I have no great interest in the
> debate.

**[Translation] YOU don't understand squat about the issue.

I'm too old to care anymore. I just object to stupid decisions
> based on an agenda, that have no benefit to us and are detrimental to
> our lifestyle or finances.

**Your lifestyle is already being affected by global warming and it's
getting worse.

>
> I saw an interesting video showing how many supposedly disastrous
> climate predictions have not come true,

**No, you did not. Arrhenius' predictions have been remarkably accurate.
Then there's this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

The facts are simple enough: CLIMATE SCIENTISTS have been warning us
about human induced global warming for more than 120 years.

but I haven't been able to find
> it again.

**Duh. What a surprise.

so I question how much about the current scenario is fact or
> fiction.

**You may question whatever you wish, but as long as you fail miserably
to study the science, you will remain ever ignorant.

the latest nonsense I just saw is that humans breathing is
> causing climate change.

**Well, it's pretty bloody obvious that humans are causing climate
change. We are the ones burning fossil fuels.

guess we have to kill a billion or so ppl to fix
> that!

**I hate to burst your bubble, but reliable estimates of the number of
humans that this planet can support in a lifestyle similar to the
average Aussie, run to around 500 million. That's it. Anymore and we
begin to eat into irreplaceable resources.

[Mighty Mouse]

this is the sort of bullshit I'm talking about! now they want us to stop
eating meat!..

https://auslink.info/video/food.mp4

[Mighty Mouse]

the necessity to do the sort of things I've mentioned

>
>
>>  to make us do things here in Australia that wont make a scrap of
>> difference to global warming. examples.. reduce farming because cow
>> farts supposedly cause global warming.
>
> **The vast majority of methane from ruminants is emitted from their
> mouths. So, it's not cow farts that are the problem. Here's the thing:
> Methane is around TWENTY TIMES more potent as a GHG (GreenHouse Gas)
> than CO2. Reducing the amount of methane from ruminants would be very
> significant.
>
>
>>  ride bikes, don't drive cars, because car exhausts cause global
>> warming.
>
> **Burning ANY fossil fuel is causing the amount of CO2 in the
> atmosphere to rise and is thus causing global warming to accelerate.
>
>  install stupid visually polluting wind turbines,
>
> **"Visually polluting wind turbines"?

yes.
https://www.greenorbits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Do-wind-turbines-cause-visual-pollution.jpg

>
> Have you SEEN the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?
>
> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/an-open-cast-or-drift-coal-mine-in-the-hunter-royalty-free-image/578842426?adppopup=true
>
>
> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/coal-mining-royalty-free-image/1279738823?adppopup=true
>

one or two coal mines. big deal. bloody wind turbines are popping up
everywhere!

>
> You need to get out more.

I know

>
>> the manufacture, upkeep, and replacement of which is environmentally
>> polluting,
>
> **EVERYTHING humans do is polluting. The trick is to REDUCE the amount
> of pollution (notably CO2 and other GHGs) whilst doing things.

I would suggest the best course of action is to implement measures to
offset the effects of what's causing the problem, so we don't have to
change things/our lifestyle. and before you say "like what?'" that's for
the scientists and engineers to discover.

>
>  and pay higher electricity prices for the privilege.
>
> **Coal is already a more expensive method of generating electricity
> than renewables. You're paying more, because of privatisation. Mostly
> of poles and wires. Blame the arseholes who sold off public assets to
> private corporations.

I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary

>
>
>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>> polluting,
>

> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're operating

> those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other noxious chemicals.

how do they emit those?

>
>> etc., etc., but having said that, I have no great interest in the
>> debate.
>
> **[Translation] YOU don't understand squat about the issue.

I've never studied the issue, like you obviously have. as I've said, I
just object to being told I have to do this or that, or not do this or
that, to 'save the planet' when what we're told won't make any
difference. it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared
overnight, it would have absolutely no effect on global warming. it's
the big polluters, India, China, and the USA who need to take severe
measures, since they can make a difference, not us.

>
>>
>>  I'm too old to care anymore. I just object to stupid decisions based
>> on an agenda, that have no benefit to us and are detrimental to our
>> lifestyle or finances.
>
> **Your lifestyle is already being affected by global warming and it's
> getting worse.
>
>>
>> I saw an interesting video showing how many supposedly disastrous
>> climate predictions have not come true,
>
> **No, you did not.

yes I did.

> Arrhenius' predictions have been remarkably accurate. Then there's this:
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
>
>
> The facts are simple enough: CLIMATE SCIENTISTS have been warning us
> about human induced global warming for more than 120 years.
>
>
>>  but I haven't been able to find it again.
>
> **Duh. What a surprise.

you're welcome to help me look

>
>
>>  so I question how much about the current scenario is fact or fiction.
>
> **You may question whatever you wish, but as long as you fail
> miserably to study the science, you will remain ever ignorant.
>
>
>>  the latest nonsense I just saw is that humans breathing is causing
>> climate change.
>
> **Well, it's pretty bloody obvious that humans are causing climate
> change. We are the ones burning fossil fuels.

but this is going further, saying our mere existence is a problem.

>
>
>>  guess we have to kill a billion or so ppl to fix that!
>
> **I hate to burst your bubble, but reliable estimates of the number of
> humans that this planet can support in a lifestyle similar to the
> average Aussie, run to around 500 million. That's it. Anymore and we
> begin to eat into irreplaceable resources.
>
>

that's hard to believe. looks like it's time to colonise other planets then

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:43:17 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 30/12/2023 3:17 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
>>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure she's right..
>>> Or maybe she's barking frothing mad?
>> I was being sarcastic. it's a fake video of course. AI can reproduce
>> voices.

> Were you joking when you claimed:

> "just making fun of the climate change hoax"

> To which, I asked:

> Do tell.

> In your response, address the following:

Take your demands and shove them where the sun don't shine.

> * Cite your climate science credentials,

Something you have none of.

> that we may accept your hypothesis as valid.

You fools are the ones claiming climate change.

YOU get to do that.

> * Cite your climate change hypothesis

Dont need one.

You fools are the ones claiming climate change.

YOU get to do that.

> that explains the reasons behind the present warming trend.

Natural variation that we know has happened for millions of years.

> * Cite your climate change hypothesis that proves Arrhenius' theory on
> human induced climate change is wrong.

Dont need one. ALL we need is to show that his formula doesnt come
even close to what change in global temperatures we have actually ssen.

THATS how science works.

> A theory, BTW, that was presented back in 1899 andhas NEVER been
> successfully challenged. NOT ONCE.

Repeating that bare faced lie changes nothing.

His formula doesnt even come close to predicting the change
in temperature that we have actually seen given the change in
atmospheric CO2 we have actually seen. His formula is WRONG.

> So, will you continue to avoid responding?Or will you admit that you

> are either an idiot, or joking?

Pot, kettle, black.

[Rod Speed]

Bullshit they have.

> True though, getting rid of a billion or so humans will have a
> noticeable effect and, between covid and recent wars, we might soon
> approach that number.

Not a chance. Only 7M killed by covid. Nothing
even remotely like that by recent wars.

> Unfortunately those events hinder the world's efforts in growing food.

BULLSHIT.

> Might be a problem down the track.

Not a chance.

[Rod Speed]

> Who is lying to us?

Fools like you.

> What are they lying about?

That Arrhenius' formula has accurately predicted the change
in global temperatues we have actually seen given the change
in atmospheric CO2 levels we have measured.

And that anything this country does will have
any measurable effect on world temperatures.

And that EVERYONE has to do something.

>> to make us
>> do things here in Australia that wont make a scrap of difference to
>> global warming. examples.. reduce farming because cow farts supposedly
>> cause global warming.

> The vast majority of methane from ruminants is emitted from their
> mouths. So, it's not cow farts that are the problem. Here's the thing:
> Methane is around TWENTY TIMES more potent as a GHG (GreenHouse Gas)
> than CO2. Reducing the amount of methane from ruminants would be very
> significant.

How odd that we have in fact seen sweet fuck all change
in global temperatures now that we produce FAR more
meat from ruminants than we ever did in the past.

>> ride bikes, don't drive cars, because car exhausts
>> cause global warming.

> Burning ANY fossil fuel is causing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere
> to rise and is thus causing global warming to accelerate.

Have fun explaining why did didnt so recently.

>> install stupid visually polluting wind turbines,

> Visually polluting wind turbines"?

Yep.

> Have you SEEN the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

SEEN lots of visually polluting wind turbines.

> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/an-open-cast-or-drift-coal-mine-in-the-hunter-royalty-free-image/578842426?adppopup=true

> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/coal-mining-royalty-free-image/1279738823?adppopup=true

> You need to get out more.

You in spades.

>> the manufacture, upkeep, and replacement of which is environmentally
>> polluting,

> EVERYTHING humans do is polluting.

That mindless bullshit too.

> The trick is to REDUCE the amount of pollution(notably CO2 and other
> GHGs) whilst doing things.

No point in this country doing that given that even
if we stopped all of that completely, and killed all
the humans and animals, THAT WOULD HAVE NO
MEASURABLE EFFECT WHAT SO EVER ON THE
WORLD TEMPERATURE.

>> and pay higher electricity prices for the privilege.

> Coal is already a more expensive methodof generating electricity than
> renewables.

Another bare faced lie.

> You're paying more, because of privatisation.

Another bare faced lie.

> Mostly of poles and wires.

Another bare faced lie.

> Blame the arseholes who sold off public assets to private corporations.

Another bare faced lie.

>> use
>> electric cars when their production is also environmentally polluting,

> Production of ICE cars is polluting.

Production of EV cars and their batterys is polluting.

> AND whilst their operating those ICE cars emitvast amounts of CO2 and
> other noxious chemicals.

Another bare faced lie with that last.

>> etc., etc., but having said that, I have no great interest in the
>> debate.

> [Translation] YOU don't understand squat about the issue.

Another bare faced lie.

>> I'm too old to care anymore. I just object to stupid decisions
>> based on an agenda, that have no benefit to us and are detrimental to
>> our lifestyle or finances.

> Your lifestyle is already being affected by global warming

Bullshit it is.

> and it's getting worse.

Bullshit it is.

>> I saw an interesting video showing how many supposedly disastrous
>> climate predictions have not come true,

> No, you did not. Arrhenius' predictions have been remarkably accurate.

Another bare faced lie.

> Then there's this:

> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

> The facts are simple enough: CLIMATE SCIENTISTS have been warning us
> about human induced global warming for more than 120 years.

And we have in fact seen sweet fuck all actual climate change.

>> but I haven't been able to find
>> it again.

> Duh. What a surprise.

Yep, you fuckers had it cancelled.

>> so I question how much about the current scenario is fact or
>> fiction.

> You may question whatever you wish, but as long as you fail miserably to
> study the science, you will remain ever ignorant.

You in spades with your bare faced lie that
Arrhenius' formula is remarkably accurate.

>> the latest nonsense I just saw is that humans breathing is
>> causing climate change.

> Well, it's pretty bloody obvious that humans are causing climate change.
> We are the ones burning fossil fuels.

Pity that we have in fact seen sweet fuck all climate change.

>> guess we have to kill a billion or so ppl to fix
>> that!

> I hate to burst your bubble, but reliable estimates of the number of
> humans that this planet can support in a lifestyle similar to the
> average Aussie, run to around 500 million.

Yet another completely stupid claim.

> That's it. Anymore and we begin to eat into irreplaceable resources.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

[Trevor Wilson]

**OK, I'll ask once more:

WHO is lying to us?
What (specifically) are they lying about?

>
>>
>>
>>>  to make us do things here in Australia that wont make a scrap of
>>> difference to global warming. examples.. reduce farming because cow
>>> farts supposedly cause global warming.
>>
>> **The vast majority of methane from ruminants is emitted from their
>> mouths. So, it's not cow farts that are the problem. Here's the thing:
>> Methane is around TWENTY TIMES more potent as a GHG (GreenHouse Gas)
>> than CO2. Reducing the amount of methane from ruminants would be very
>> significant.
>>
>>
>>>  ride bikes, don't drive cars, because car exhausts cause global
>>> warming.
>>
>> **Burning ANY fossil fuel is causing the amount of CO2 in the
>> atmosphere to rise and is thus causing global warming to accelerate.
>>
>>  install stupid visually polluting wind turbines,
>>
>> **"Visually polluting wind turbines"?
>
> yes.
> https://www.greenorbits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Do-wind-turbines-cause-visual-pollution.jpg

**Have you seen the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

>
>>
>> Have you SEEN the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?
>>
>> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/an-open-cast-or-drift-coal-mine-in-the-hunter-royalty-free-image/578842426?adppopup=true
>>
>> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/coal-mining-royalty-free-image/1279738823?adppopup=true
>
> one or two coal mines. big deal. bloody wind turbines are popping up
> everywhere!

**Sure. Have you seen the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

>
>>
>> You need to get out more.
>
> I know

**Well do so, before you demonstrate yet more of your ignorance.

>
>>
>>> the manufacture, upkeep, and replacement of which is environmentally
>>> polluting,
>>
>> **EVERYTHING humans do is polluting. The trick is to REDUCE the amount
>> of pollution (notably CO2 and other GHGs) whilst doing things.
>
> I would suggest the best course of action is to implement measures to
> offset the effects of what's causing the problem, so we don't have to
> change things/our lifestyle. and before you say "like what?'" that's for
> the scientists and engineers to discover.

**Points and questions:

* We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
* We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
* We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.

>
>>
>>  and pay higher electricity prices for the privilege.
>>
>> **Coal is already a more expensive method of generating electricity
>> than renewables. You're paying more, because of privatisation. Mostly
>> of poles and wires. Blame the arseholes who sold off public assets to
>> private corporations.
>
> I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary

**It was never necessary. POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.

>
>>
>>
>>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>>> polluting,
>>
>> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're operating
>> those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other noxious chemicals.
>
> how do they emit those?

**By burning fossil fuels.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/gasoline-and-the-environment.php

"Gasoline is a toxic and highly flammable liquid. The vapors given off
when gasoline evaporates and the substances produced when gasoline is
burned (carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, particulate matter, and
unburned hydrocarbons) contribute to air pollution. Burning gasoline
also produces carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas."

And:

https://www.epa.gov/dera/learn-about-impacts-diesel-exhaust-and-diesel-emissions-reduction-act-dera

>
>>
>>> etc., etc., but having said that, I have no great interest in the
>>> debate.
>>
>> **[Translation] YOU don't understand squat about the issue.
>
> I've never studied the issue, like you obviously have.

**Then why do you make idiotic claims like this?:

"just making fun of the climate change hoax"

You just admitted that you know nothing about the subject that you
previously claimed was a hoax.

as I've said, I
> just object to being told I have to do this or that, or not do this or
> that, to 'save the planet' when what we're told won't make any
> difference.

**Huh? First you tell us it is a hoax. Then, you admit you know nothing
about the subject. Now you tell us that what humans do cannot affect
global warming anyway.

YIKES!

Do you have a brain injury?

it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared
> overnight, it would have absolutely no effect on global warming.

**Well, clearly, that is bullshit. Think logically, if you can. If
Australia's CO2 emissions fell to zero tomorrow, there would be an
effect on CO2 levels. That is just plain common sense and logic. Would
the effect be small? Yes, but there would be an effect.

Here's the thing: All of us (8.1 billion) are causing the problem. That
means we all need to act to reduce CO2 emissions. That applies doubly so
to those people in wealthy nations that have caused and are causing most
of the problem.

it's
> the big polluters, India, China, and the USA who need to take severe
> measures, since they can make a difference, not us.

**WE ALL NEED TO ACT. NO exceptions. NO excuses.

>>
>>>
>>>  I'm too old to care anymore. I just object to stupid decisions based
>>> on an agenda, that have no benefit to us and are detrimental to our
>>> lifestyle or finances.
>>
>> **Your lifestyle is already being affected by global warming and it's
>> getting worse.
>>
>>>
>>> I saw an interesting video showing how many supposedly disastrous
>>> climate predictions have not come true,
>>
>> **No, you did not.
>
> yes I did.

**No, you did not. At least you did not see one that was properly
researched and produced by proper scientists.

>
>> Arrhenius' predictions have been remarkably accurate. Then there's this:
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
>>
>> The facts are simple enough: CLIMATE SCIENTISTS have been warning us
>> about human induced global warming for more than 120 years.
>>
>>
>>>  but I haven't been able to find it again.
>>
>> **Duh. What a surprise.
>
> you're welcome to help me look

**I'm not wasting my valuable time searching for a non-existent thing.

>
>>
>>
>>>  so I question how much about the current scenario is fact or fiction.
>>
>> **You may question whatever you wish, but as long as you fail
>> miserably to study the science, you will remain ever ignorant.
>>
>>
>>>  the latest nonsense I just saw is that humans breathing is causing
>>> climate change.
>>
>> **Well, it's pretty bloody obvious that humans are causing climate
>> change. We are the ones burning fossil fuels.
>
> but this is going further, saying our mere existence is a problem.

**Well, that's been obvious for quite some time.

>
>>
>>
>>>  guess we have to kill a billion or so ppl to fix that!
>>
>> **I hate to burst your bubble, but reliable estimates of the number of
>> humans that this planet can support in a lifestyle similar to the
>> average Aussie, run to around 500 million. That's it. Anymore and we
>> begin to eat into irreplaceable resources.
>>
>>
>
> that's hard to believe. looks like it's time to colonise other planets then

**Great idea. Which planets do you have in mind?

Venus? Average daytime (and night time) temperature is 464 degrees C.
Mars? Average daytime temperature is 35 degrees C Average night time
temperature is -60 degrees C. Oh yeah, bugger all atmosphere too.

BTW: How do you propose to send large numbers of people to other planets?

Let's do some rough maths:

The only US built vehicle to visit another body in our Solar system was
the mighty Saturn V rocket. It was able to carry 3 people to the Moon.
At launch, the Saturn V burned 20 Tonnes of fossil fuel every SECOND. At
launch, the Saturn V weighed around 3,000 Tonnes. Approximately half
that mass was fuel, which was either fossil fuel (kerosene) or hydrogen.

FOR THREE PEOPLE!

Got any other ideas?

[Mighty Mouse]

yes

[Mighty Mouse]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 30/12/2023 9:41 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2023 4:45 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 30/12/2023 3:17 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
>>>>>>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>

> **Points and questions:
>
> * We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
> release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
> * We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
> * We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.
>

>> I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary
>
> **It was never necessary.

bullshit. the Cain/Kirner labor fiasco of a government had bankrupted
Victoria. we even lost our State Bank that had existed since 1842.

> POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.

Kennett had no choice. we were broke. he had to get money somehow. he
even imposed a State deficit levy of $100 per household to help fix the
problem.

>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>>>> polluting,
>>>
>>> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're operating
>>> those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other noxious chemicals.
>>
>> how do they emit those?
>
> **By burning fossil fuels.

sorry, I misread. thought you were still talking about electric cars

>
>
>>  it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared overnight,
>> it would have absolutely no effect on global warming.
>
> **Well, clearly, that is bullshit. Think logically, if you can.

I was

> If Australia's CO2 emissions fell to zero tomorrow, there would be an
> effect on CO2 levels. That is just plain common sense and logic. Would
> the effect be small? Yes, but there would be an effect.

the effect would be so small it would make no difference. that is the point

[Trevor Wilson]

On 31/12/2023 11:22 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 30/12/2023 9:41 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 30/12/2023 4:45 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/12/2023 3:17 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
>>>>>>>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> **Points and questions:
>>
>> * We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
>> release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
>> * We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
>> * We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.
>>
>>> I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary
>>
>> **It was never necessary.
>
> bullshit. the Cain/Kirner labor fiasco of a government had bankrupted
> Victoria. we even lost our State Bank that had existed since 1842.

**Let's say you're a farmer with milking cows. Are you going to sell
your cows to pay the bills, or find another way? Selling off assets that
generate a healthy income is stupid. Governments that do such things are
stupid.

>
>> POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.
>
> Kennett had no choice.

**Bullshit. There are always other choices.

we were broke. he had to get money somehow. he
> even imposed a State deficit levy of $100 per household to help fix the
> problem.

**That's one way. There are others, but selling money making enterprises
is dumb.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>>>>> polluting,
>>>>
>>>> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're operating
>>>> those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other noxious chemicals.
>>>
>>> how do they emit those?
>>
>> **By burning fossil fuels.
>
> sorry, I misread. thought you were still talking about electric cars

**You asked about ICE cars.

>
>>
>>
>>>  it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared overnight,
>>> it would have absolutely no effect on global warming.
>>
>> **Well, clearly, that is bullshit. Think logically, if you can.
>
> I was

**No, you were not. EVERY SINGLE extra molecule of CO2 emitted is a
problem. Australia emits lots of CO2 molecules.

>
>> If Australia's CO2 emissions fell to zero tomorrow, there would be an
>> effect on CO2 levels. That is just plain common sense and logic. Would
>> the effect be small? Yes, but there would be an effect.
>
> the effect would be so small it would make no difference.

**Yes, it would be small, but what is your point? What makes Australians
so special that we don't have to make the same sacrifices that everyone
else does?


that is the point
>
**And it is a thoughtless, greedy, self-centred one.

**OK, I'll ask once more:

WHO is lying to us?
What (specifically) are they lying about?

**Have you seen the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

**Points and questions:

* We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
* We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
* We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.

**Then why do you make idiotic claims like this?:

"just making fun of the climate change hoax"

You just admitted that you know nothing about the subject that you
previously claimed was a hoax.

**Huh? First you tell us it is a hoax. Then, you admit you know nothing
about the subject. Now you tell us that what humans do cannot affect
global warming anyway.

YIKES!

Do you have a brain injury?

[Mighty Mouse]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 31/12/2023 11:22 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2023 9:41 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 30/12/2023 4:45 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/12/2023 3:17 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
>>>>>>>>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> **Points and questions:
>>>
>>> * We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
>>> release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
>>> * We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
>>> * We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.
>>>
>>>> I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary
>>>
>>> **It was never necessary.
>>
>> bullshit. the Cain/Kirner labor fiasco of a government had bankrupted
>> Victoria. we even lost our State Bank that had existed since 1842.
>
> **Let's say you're a farmer with milking cows. Are you going to sell
> your cows to pay the bills, or find another way? Selling off assets
> that generate a healthy income is stupid.

of course it is

> Governments that do such things are stupid.

except when there is little else they can do. what would you have
suggested? as I said, the situation was so bad they even had to tax
households $100 pa for two years, but that's not all..

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/one-year-kennett-and-pain-increases

why would any sane government do those things except for necessity?

>
>>
>>> POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.
>>
>> Kennett had no choice.
>
> **Bullshit. There are always other choices.

he did everything he could. (see above)

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>>>>>> polluting,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're
>>>>> operating those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other
>>>>> noxious chemicals.
>>>>
>>>> how do they emit those?
>>>
>>> **By burning fossil fuels.
>>
>> sorry, I misread. thought you were still talking about electric cars
>
> **You asked about ICE cars.

we were talking about electric cars. my comment was following on. as I
said I misread

>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared
>>>> overnight, it would have absolutely no effect on global warming.
>>>
>>> **Well, clearly, that is bullshit. Think logically, if you can.
>>
>> I was
>
> **No, you were not. EVERY SINGLE extra molecule of CO2 emitted is a
> problem. Australia emits lots of CO2 molecules.

1% of global emissions. so 99% of the problem is caused by other
nations, or not caused by us iow

>
>>
>>> If Australia's CO2 emissions fell to zero tomorrow, there would be
>>> an effect on CO2 levels. That is just plain common sense and logic.
>>> Would the effect be small? Yes, but there would be an effect.
>>
>> the effect would be so small it would make no difference.
>
> **Yes, it would be small, but what is your point?

that is my point!

[Trevor Wilson]

**They do it for short term gain and long term pain. IOW: Gross stupidity.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.
>>>
>>> Kennett had no choice.
>>
>> **Bullshit. There are always other choices.
>
> he did everything he could. (see above)

**UTTER BULLSHIT. He, like many state governments in Australia, took the
easy, relatively painless (for the time) action. He just pushed the
problem down the road and now we are all paying WAY more for the
stupidity of state governments in the past.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  use electric cars when their production is also environmentally
>>>>>>> polluting,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Production of ICE cars is polluting. AND whilst they're
>>>>>> operating those ICE cars emit vast amounts of CO2 and other
>>>>>> noxious chemicals.
>>>>>
>>>>> how do they emit those?
>>>>
>>>> **By burning fossil fuels.
>>>
>>> sorry, I misread. thought you were still talking about electric cars
>>
>> **You asked about ICE cars.
>
> we were talking about electric cars. my comment was following on. as I
> said I misread

**OK, but you did ask about ICE cars. They produce pollution during
production and for the entire life of the vehicle. Claiming that
building EVs pollute is just stupid, as ALL car construction pollutes.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  it's been said that if every car in Australia disappeared
>>>>> overnight, it would have absolutely no effect on global warming.
>>>>
>>>> **Well, clearly, that is bullshit. Think logically, if you can.
>>>
>>> I was
>>
>> **No, you were not. EVERY SINGLE extra molecule of CO2 emitted is a
>> problem. Australia emits lots of CO2 molecules.
>
> 1% of global emissions. so 99% of the problem is caused by other
> nations, or not caused by us iow

**Again: That is a self-centred, greedy, ignorant claim. The average
Chinese citizen emits half the CO2 pollution of the average Australian.
The average Brazillian emits roughly 1/3rd the CO2 of the average
Australian. The average Indian emits way less than that.

You babble on about nations. L:et me remind you: We are all (8.1 billion
of us) living on the same damned rock. What we do affects everyone else
in the same way that what they do affects us. We are all in this
together. We ALL need to act to reduce CO2 pollution.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> If Australia's CO2 emissions fell to zero tomorrow, there would be
>>>> an effect on CO2 levels. That is just plain common sense and logic.
>>>> Would the effect be small? Yes, but there would be an effect.
>>>
>>> the effect would be so small it would make no difference.
>>
>> **Yes, it would be small, but what is your point?
>
> that is my point!

**Again: We are all on the same planet. We ALL need to act.

**OK, I'll ask once more:

WHO is lying to us?
What (specifically) are they lying about?


**Have you seen the once beautiful Hunter Valley recently?

**Points and questions:

* We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
* We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
* We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:36:20 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 31/12/2023 11:22 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2023 9:41 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 30/12/2023 4:45 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/12/2023 3:17 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:52:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse
>>>>>>>>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/hillary.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> **Points and questions:
>>>
>>> * We know EXACTLY what is causing the problem. We are causing the
>>> release of excessive amounts of GHGs.
>>> * We must reduce the amount of GHGs entering the atmosphere.
>>> * We already know exactly how to reduce GHGs.
>>>
>>>> I'll blame the arseholes who made the sale of public assets necessary
>>>
>>> **It was never necessary.
>> bullshit. the Cain/Kirner labor fiasco of a government had bankrupted
>> Victoria. we even lost our State Bank that had existed since 1842.

> Let's say you're a farmer with milking cows.Are you going to sell your

> cows to pay the bills,

Nothing even remotely like a state budget, fuckwit.

> or find another way?

There was no other way available, fuckwit.

> Selling off assets that generate a healthy income is stupid.

There was no other way available, fuckwit.

> Governments that do such things are stupid.

There was no other way available, fuckwit.

>>> POLITICIANS decided that it was a good idea.

>> Kennett had no choice.

> Bullshit. There are always other choices.

Then you won't have any difficulty spelling out what else he could have
done.

>> we were broke. he had to get money somehow. he
>> even imposed a State deficit levy of $100 per household to help fix the
>> problem.

> That's one way.

It wasnt enough, fuckwit.

> There are others,

Then you won't have any difficulty spelling out what else he could have
done.

> but selling money making enterprises is dumb.

There was no alternative, fuckwit.

[Petzl]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:47:40 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

Well has sort of changed from CO2 emissions to be verbalized to
climate change. Which has been recorded happening since Noah's time
My favorite satire is 2013 "Yes Prime minister", which was pulled off
BBC because it contradicted POTUS Obama push for climate taxes as
explained here
Part 1
<https://vimeo.com/124391891>
Don't forget part 2
<https://vimeo.com/124392955>
--
Petzl
Only the Irish Leprignomes have remained aloof and their family
heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

[Petzl]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 16:45:22 +1100, Mighty Mouse

We are getting like septic's, our heads are filled with so much media
crap, so we now know nothing but what we are told!
>
The list of Climate sceptic experts are banned with a media blacklist.
<https://saltbushclub.com/2019/08/18/black-list-of-climate-sceptics/>

My favorite satire is 2013 "Yes Prime minister", which was pulled off
BBC because it contradicted POTUS Obama push for climate taxes as
explained here
Part 1
<https://vimeo.com/124391891>
Don't forget part 2
<https://vimeo.com/124392955>
--
Petzl

"What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth.
The real danger is that if we hear enough lies,
then we no longer recognize the truth at all."

[Mighty Mouse]

very good! and here's the links mentioned on those pages..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO08Hhjes_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzpPXuASY8

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24690821-human-caused-global-warming

so what's happened to the scientific community sceptics on global
warming? only two possibilities, they've been silenced or converted.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 11:59:22 +1100, Mighty Mouse

Excellent have book marked the others to view later

>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzpPXuASY8
>
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24690821-human-caused-global-warming
>
>so what's happened to the scientific community sceptics on global
>warming? only two possibilities, they've been silenced or converted.
>

The are put on a media blacklist, so people don't hear of them or the
truth!!!
This URL has a link to one.
<https://saltbushclub.com/2019/08/18/black-list-of-climate-sceptics/>

[Rod Speed]

There never was any Noah.

> My favorite satire is 2013 "Yes Prime minister", which was pulled off
> BBC because it contradicted POTUS Obama push for climate taxes as
> explained here

Bullshit.

[Rod Speed]

You certainly are, but we arent.

> The list of Climate sceptic experts are banned with a media blacklist.

Bullshit.

[Keithr0]

On 2/01/2024 10:59 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:

> so what's happened to the scientific community sceptics on global
> warming? only two possibilities, they've been silenced or converted.
>

Neither, they just saw the error of their ways.

[Trevor Wilson]

**"Silenced"? By whom and how?

You're still regurgitating nonsense and ignorance about global warming.
You have not been silenced.

Here's the thing: Even the most ardent deniers have realised that the
game is up. The facts are in and there is no denying the truth. Even the
Exxon scientists were telling their bosses 47 years ago stuff they
didn't want to hear:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

[Mighty Mouse]

I've put the yes PM videos together. here's the link ..
https://auslink.info/video/yesPM.mp4

[Mighty Mouse]

which means they've been converted. duh!

[Mighty Mouse]

https://ncse.ngo/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

>
>> My favorite satire is 2013 "Yes Prime minister", which was pulled off
>> BBC because it contradicted POTUS Obama push for climate taxes as
>> explained here
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> Part 1
>> <https://vimeo.com/124391891>
>> Don't forget part 2
>> <https://vimeo.com/124392955>

[Petzl]

Perfect thanks

[Keithr0]

Don't be so stupid, you get converted by someone else, you see the error
of your ways yourself. Duh!

[Keithr0]

Petzl and felix together - what a team, add their IQs together and you
might get double figures.

[Mighty Mouse]

they've been converted from their former climate change denial position
to their current climate change supportive position by the relevant
arguments/evidence. that could have happened with or without the
involvement of others. duh!

[Mighty Mouse]

if we were half as smart as you think you are we'd be twice as smart as
you really are

[Keithr0]

Try thinking up your own comebacks, or, at least, try thinking.

[Mighty Mouse]

I probably should to rectify the imbalance due you your lack thereof

[Keithr0]

You already have corrected the imbalance, it needed someone on the left
side of the bell curve to do so, and you stepped and fulfilled the need.
Thank you.

[Mighty Mouse]

nothing would correct the imbalance of your overblown ego, slimey limey
stalker

[Mighty Mouse]

I'm sorry you're so jealous of others

[Petzl]

You definitly are in fear of us!
You having petty penis problems and vaginal concerns?
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within

[Keithr0]

ROTFL, you can't even spell definitely

> You having petty penis problems and vaginal concerns?

My only concern in that regard is getting mine into hers as often as
possible, but thank you for asking.

[Mighty Mouse]

yes, lol. he wouldn't spend so much effort trying to put others down if
they didn't present some threat to him. he must be very insecure.

> You having petty penis problems and vaginal concerns?


--

Have a nice day!..

[Mighty Mouse]

obviously you're not very successful in that or you wouldn't need to
mention it in public

[Trevor Wilson]

**It was the idiot, Petzl, who dragged the conversation into the sexual
area.

[Petzl]

Just a accurate psychological diagnosis
You want yours?
You smidgeon of puffed up blowfish shit.

[Keithr0]

You couldn't make aN accurate psychological diagnosis even if your
pathetic life depended on it, although, over the years, quite a few have
been made about you, none complementary.

[Mighty Mouse]

Keithr0 wrote:

> Your stupid mate asked a rhetorical question, I gave him a rhetorical
> answer, you seem to totally lack any understanding of cynicism. You
> just had to jump in feet first commenting on something that you
> understand absolutely nothing about.
>
> That's well up to scratch for you, just go back to watching deal or no
> deal, I expect you're getting all hot and bothered about MAFS coming
> back on soon.

what's it to you what I do, numbnuts? (and that's not a rhetorical question)

[Mighty Mouse]

> You couldn't make an accurate psychological diagnosis  even if your

> pathetic life depended on it, although, over the years, quite a few
> have been made about you, none complementary.
>
>

keefy has psychological issues, petzl. he's obviously not a happy person.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:34:29 +1000, Keithr0

Not in Aus computers, most who write in user groups are deranged
lonely religious lefties, with mental issues like you and Trevor
Completly outside the sane world of reason!
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!

[Petzl]

On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 23:07:20 +1100, Mighty Mouse

There are a lot in these groups who have there own fanatical "I'm
right you are wrong" nut religion.
I like this sig because they think it refers to God, In actual fact I
plagiarized from questions scientists have about string theory.
Makes them berko/nuts if they believe I might be a Christian?