Naked DSL

[Damian]

Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no complaints?!
Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any phone
connection either.
I was with iinet naked dsl over couple of years ago and it was crap.
I'm not sure about the quality of the Naked DSL now, so I thought I might
ask the fellas here.
Thanks

[Rod Speed]

Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote

> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no complaints?!
> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.

No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to
plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.

> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
> phone connection either.

Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

> I was with iinet naked dsl over couple of years ago and it was crap.

But you ran the same line about voip too.

Everything you touch turns to dog shit.

> I'm not sure about the quality of the Naked DSL now, so I thought I might
> ask the fellas here.

There's nothing special about naked DSL quality
wise, there's just no phone service with it.

[Petzl]

Copper wire is the problem *in my experience*
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http://tinyurl.com/d4ase82
*IF* you have a CLEAN connection, wired right, no more than 30 minute
walk from exchange (closer the better) should work well.
If you have a Telstra connection speak to your "Customer Service
Manager" to organise his select team to check your connection.
"Faults" just send some know nothing drone who hasent a clue,
IF you get a NBN connection your "phone" will be VOIP with no problems

--
Petzl
I started with nothing and I am proud to say I still have most of it left

[felix_unger]

my Telstra Bigpong cable keeps disconnecting (the online light in the
modem goes off) every so often for 30 sec to 2 mins or so. Very annoying
if I'm on VOIP or Skype. Any idea what the prob could be? It can't be
anything to do with my setup since that doesn't control the modem
connection to the server, and I haven't changed anything. I'm dreading
the thought of having to ring tech support, although they weren't too
bad the last time I rang, but I will still have to speak to someone with
a foreign accent who's difficult to understand.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
"If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question!"

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:55:02 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

No experience with BigPond Broadband, this a optic Fibre type? Or
Coaxial?
They have a FAQ
https://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/list/kw/cable+modem/search/1

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:12:31 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> *IF* you have a CLEAN connection, wired right, no more than 30 minute
>>> walk from exchange (closer the better) should work well.
>>> If you have a Telstra connection speak to your "Customer Service
>>> Manager" to organise his select team to check your connection.
>>> "Faults" just send some know nothing drone who hasent a clue,
>>> IF you get a NBN connection your "phone" will be VOIP with no problems
>>>
>>
>>my Telstra Bigpong cable keeps disconnecting (the online light in the
>>modem goes off) every so often for 30 sec to 2 mins or so. Very annoying
>>if I'm on VOIP or Skype. Any idea what the prob could be? It can't be
>>anything to do with my setup since that doesn't control the modem
>>connection to the server, and I haven't changed anything. I'm dreading
>>the thought of having to ring tech support, although they weren't too
>>bad the last time I rang, but I will still have to speak to someone with
>>a foreign accent who's difficult to understand.
>
>No experience with BigPond Broadband, this a optic Fibre type? Or
>Coaxial?
>They have a FAQ
>https://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/list/kw/cable+modem/search/1

Seem to be a lot of dropout complaints
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/?action=threads_search&f=14&fg=1&q=DROPOUT

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes. NBN should be great. Apparently it's not available around here yet. So
much for getting Super fast internet fast. :). I'm gona hav to wait.

[Damian]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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Hey mate, First of all, try not to hijack my thread, ok?! ;)
And secondly, I dicovered when you reply them with a phony accent difficult
to understand, they seem to get better over the phone. Or you can try
another trick, just keep repeating to them that you can't understand a word
they speak and you need to speak to a local representative. somthing happens
after that, usually.

Now, any comments about my original post?!!!

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>
>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no complaints?!
>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>

> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.
>

Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
internet+landline, does it?
Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.

> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>

That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc. I know , I
can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap one yet. Most
of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless of
whether I send faxes or not. Then I'm also worried about security of
sending sensitive material faxes over the internet.

But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down. No point for me
getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active landline DSL+landline.
My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently, rather
to a fax machine.
For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.

The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
future in the end and also would love to dump Telstra. And of course, I
would like to save few dollars as well.

>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>> phone connection either.
>

> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.
>

It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to make an
emergency phone call. It happened to me over four years ago, when I got
iinet Naked DSL. I had to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't
complain about it anybody other than iinet themselves. I had two problems,
one was there DSL drop outs, the other was there 'free' voip phone not
working even when the internet was on(not ringing on incoming calls,
outgoing calls not connecting, etc)

>> I was with iinet naked dsl over couple of years ago and it was crap.
>
> But you ran the same line about voip too.
>
> Everything you touch turns to dog shit.
>

I should correct my timing. It was five years ago, when Naked DSL was just
released. Around this time in 2008.
I am not the only one complained about iinet Naked DSL. Complaints are still
on the internet.

[felix_unger]

> Hey mate, First of all, try not to hijack my thread, ok?! ;)

firstly I'm not your 'mate', secondly you don't 'own' the thread, and
thirdly I wasn't talking to you anyway.
FYI this is a public forum, and anyone can reply to anything that's
posted with whatever comment they want to make.
I hope that clears things up for you.

> And secondly, I dicovered when you reply them with a phony accent difficult
> to understand, they seem to get better over the phone. Or you can try
> another trick, just keep repeating to them that you can't understand a word
> they speak and you need to speak to a local representative. somthing happens
> after that, usually.
>
> Now, any comments about my original post?!!!

No


--
rgds,

[felix_unger]

Thanks for that. I'll check out those Whirlpool posts. also just checked
the NBN rollout.. they don't even have this area scheduled in yet :(
What are the costs like for the a NBN service, do you know? just watched
one of their videos too.. there's a lot of junk you have to have
installed in your house.

[Damian]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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That was meant as a joke you stupid person.
There's nothing for you to be offended unless you got hemorrhoids.
If you can't make a useful contribution or don't have a sense of humor for
own stupidity,
just go and spend your time on Monday market.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:08:57 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

Those that have the NBN presently pay less than for ASDL "Broadband"
The simple fix for your modem is often just turning it off for around
30 minutes?

[felix_unger]

guess I'll have to wait about five years to see

> The simple fix for your modem is often just turning it off for around
> 30 minutes?

I don't see how that would do anything, but I'll try it anyway

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It works fine a lot further away than that.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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You've got a fault.

[Rod Speed]

Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote

>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no complaints?!
>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.

>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
> internet+landline, does it?

Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
service that you don�t ever use because you use your
mobile for calls.

> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!

That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans
now so those calls are quite literally free and with the
best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any
more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
and that does not include any free calls at all at the
best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.

> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.

Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.

>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.

> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.

Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.

> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap
> one yet.

Then you need to get out more.

> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless of
> whether I send faxes or not.

Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of them.

> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material faxes
> over the internet.

Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.

> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.

Bullshit.

> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active landline
> DSL+landline.

It doesn�t.

> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently, rather
> to a fax machine.

Dinosaur stuff.

> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.

> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
> future in the end

Corse it is.

> and also would love to dump Telstra.

You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.

You'll save heaps.

>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>> phone connection either.

>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to make an
> emergency phone call.

The obvious approach there is to make
sure you always do have a mobile.

> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I had
> to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it anybody
> other than iinet themselves.

The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.

> I had two problems, one was there DSL drop outs, the other was there
> 'free' voip phone not working even when the internet was on
> (not ringing on incoming calls, outgoing calls not connecting, etc)

Why does everything you touch turn to dog shit ?

>>> I was with iinet naked dsl over couple of years ago and it was crap.

>> But you ran the same line about voip too.

>> Everything you touch turns to dog shit.

> I should correct my timing. It was five years ago, when Naked DSL was
> just released. Around this time in 2008.
> I am not the only one complained about iinet Naked DSL. Complaints are
> still on the internet.

There are always complaints about anything.

If it rained little gold bars, fools would complain
about the dents they made in their cars.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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Varys with the speed you want. Can be as cheap as $30/month.

http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/?action=search&state=nsw&class=0&type=res&pre=10000&cost=0&speed=0&upspeed=0&ip=1&contract=99&upfront=999999&needhw=yes&conntype=9&sort=2

> just watched one of their videos too.. there's a lot of junk you have to
> have installed in your house.

But that's included in what you pay.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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It can see the system reset its data on what it
decides is the best speed to use for your line.

[Petzl]

Mine is 7 km of copper wire but exchange is closer around 4 km.
I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.

And how is your Iphone 5 (Welcome to the world of knowledge and modern
civilization). Still think a good accessory for it is a cover
http://tinyurl.com/m7lw2tf
The synthetic are probably the better as easy to wipe clean

>> If you have a Telstra connection speak to your "Customer Service
>> Manager" to organise his select team to check your connection.
>> "Faults" just send some know nothing drone who hasent a clue,
>> IF you get a NBN connection your "phone" will be VOIP with no problems
>

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...

> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>> complaints?!
>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>

>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>> internet+landline, does it?
>

> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

> mobile for calls.
>
>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>

> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>
>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>
> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>

>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>
>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>
> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>
>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap
>> one yet.
>
> Then you need to get out more.
>
>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless
>> of whether I send faxes or not.
>
> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of them.
>
>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material faxes
>> over the internet.
>
> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>
>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active landline
>> DSL+landline.
>

> It doesn�t.

>
>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>> rather to a fax machine.
>
> Dinosaur stuff.
>
>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>
>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
>> future in the end
>
> Corse it is.
>
>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>

> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>
>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>
> You'll save heaps.
>
>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>>> phone connection either.
>

>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>
>> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to make
>> an emergency phone call.
>
> The obvious approach there is to make
> sure you always do have a mobile.
>
>> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I had
>> to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it anybody
>> other than iinet themselves.
>
> The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
> deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.
>

Crap. Why didn't I know that before?!!
I could've kicked the arse of the bastards for their poor service.
I was too stupid to do anything. That's achievement of doing two jobs.
I couldn't be bothered and had to pay the $150 to disconnect after their
service was shitting on me continuously.

I'm guessing fiberoptic NBN will be more reliable!
But, does that mean, I get NBN fibreoptics all the way to the premise or
does it still involve copper line?!!!

>> I had two problems, one was there DSL drop outs, the other was there
>> 'free' voip phone not working even when the internet was on
>> (not ringing on incoming calls, outgoing calls not connecting, etc)
>
> Why does everything you touch turn to dog shit ?
>

Seriously man. It was crap.
But, I don't know whether it's good now or not.
I will do lot of homework before I make the same mistake. :)

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Mine is about 15MBit/sec 1.8 MBit/sec downstream.
I 've never got the 24Mbit they promised me though.
But, the above speed I get only during non-busy times.
In the morning, midday, earl afternoon, it's much slower.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 23:44:33 +1000, "Damian"
<damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:

>>>> *IF* you have a CLEAN connection, wired right, no more than 30 minute
>>>> walk from exchange (closer the better) should work well.
>>>
>>>It works fine a lot further away than that.
>>>
>> Mine is 7 km of copper wire but exchange is closer around 4 km.
>> I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.
>>
>
>Mine is about 15MBit/sec 1.8 MBit/sec downstream.
>I 've never got the 24Mbit they promised me though.
>But, the above speed I get only during non-busy times.
>In the morning, midday, earl afternoon, it's much slower.

VOIP should work no trouble?
Go to
www.speedtest.net
And show
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2719959989.png

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Which is a lot more than a 30 mins walk.

> I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.

> And how is your Iphone 5

Lovely, no complaints at all except for the lack of a
few things like google voice in Australia that applys
to every other phone too.

> (Welcome to the world of knowledge and modern civilization).

Yeah, some stuff is very elegantly done indeed,
like auto breaking up phone numbers with spaces
when you enter a new one into the phone manually.

And its very convenient indeed to be able to look
at a contacts entry which has a street address in it,
just tap the address and have it pop up the map
and route you from where you are to that place.

Nokia Drive is marginally better in the sense that
you can download the maps into the phone while
you still have access to wifi. Both the apple mapping
and google maps does allow you to start the trip
where you have wifi access and it works fine to the
destination that doesn't have wifi access, but you
cant do another without using the cellular data
when you are at the destination without wifi.

> Still think a good accessory for it is a cover
> http://tinyurl.com/m7lw2tf

I hate covers, they just make the use of the phone more hassle.

> The synthetic are probably the better as easy to wipe clean

I don't bother to wipe clean my wallet, even in the 40 years
I have been using the current one that I am retiring today.

The class and metal case of the iphone is very easy to clean
and air gestures should see them stay clean anyway.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>

>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>
>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>

>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>> mobile for calls.
>>
>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>

>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>
>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>
>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>

>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>
>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>
>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>
>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap
>>> one yet.
>>
>> Then you need to get out more.
>>
>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless
>>> of whether I send faxes or not.
>>
>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of them.
>>
>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material faxes
>>> over the internet.
>>
>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>
>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active landline
>>> DSL+landline.
>>

>> It doesn�t.

>>
>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>
>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>
>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>
>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
>>> future in the end
>>
>> Corse it is.
>>
>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>

>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>
>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>
>> You'll save heaps.
>>
>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>>>> phone connection either.
>>

>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>
>>> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to make
>>> an emergency phone call.
>>
>> The obvious approach there is to make
>> sure you always do have a mobile.
>>
>>> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I had
>>> to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it
>>> anybody other than iinet themselves.
>>
>> The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
>> deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.

> Crap. Why didn't I know that before?!!

Because everything you touch turns to dog
shit, even working out what the CSG is about.

> I could've kicked the arse of the bastards for their poor service.
> I was too stupid to do anything. That's achievement of doing two jobs. I
> couldn't be bothered and had to pay the $150 to disconnect after their
> service was shitting on me continuously.

You should have understood the most basic consumer law.

If they can't deliver the service you paid for, you are entitled to
a full refund of what they charged you, less the usage charges
for what use you have made of the inadequate service.

> I'm guessing fiberoptic NBN will be more reliable!

The DSL services that I have had installed have all been perfectly reliable.

> But, does that mean, I get NBN fibreoptics all the way to the premise

With what Labor is doing, yes.

> or does it still involve copper line?!!!

With what Turdbull is proposing, yes.

It remains to be seen if that will happen tho, there are
some very real legal problems with doing it that way.

>>> I had two problems, one was there DSL drop outs, the other was there
>>> 'free' voip phone not working even when the internet was on
>>> (not ringing on incoming calls, outgoing calls not connecting, etc)

>> Why does everything you touch turn to dog shit ?

> Seriously man. It was crap.

Sure, there will always be some that get fucked up.

The Pretzel had one too.

> But, I don't know whether it's good now or not.

Yeah, its fine.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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That�s not the physical connection, that�s the link behind the DSLAM.

[felix_unger]

So how often should i do that? I normally just sleep the PC and never
turn the modem off. (It doesn't have a on/off switch anyway)

>
>> but I'll try it anyway
>
>

[felix_unger]

but it's very messy to have in your home

[felix_unger]

why would it not be a Telstra issue?

>
>> It can't be anything to do with my setup since that doesn't control
>> the modem connection to the server, and I haven't changed anything.
>> I'm dreading the thought of having to ring tech support, although
>> they weren't too bad the last time I rang, but I will still have to
>> speak to someone with a foreign accent who's difficult to understand.
>
>
>

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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Only if the speed is much lower than it should be.

> I normally just sleep the PC

I don't even sleep the PC.

> and never turn the modem off.

Yeah, me neither.

> (It doesn't have a on/off switch anyway)

Mine does, but I only ever use it to reboot the router.

It does sometimes need that, particularly after torrents.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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I wouldn't even notice it. I have a massive great pile of
technotoys and it wouldn't make any difference to that.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message

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It can be, but if it is, its still a fault, at their end.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:35:07 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>>
>>> I don't see how that would do anything,
>>
>> It can see the system reset its data on what it
>> decides is the best speed to use for your line.
>
>So how often should i do that? I normally just sleep the PC and never
>turn the modem off. (It doesn't have a on/off switch anyway)
>
>>
>>> but I'll try it anyway
>>
>>

Did it work?
With my ASDL2+ modem I behave the same as you
But after some months it goes "off" turning it of and on again seems
to fix. I also think your IP assigned to your modem may be static not
dynamic and you Turning it off and on (I guessed for 30 minutes
probably get away with less like 10?) resets all the data at your
provider

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:4bglp8lqg343bfp4o...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:35:07 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> I don't see how that would do anything,
>>>
>>> It can see the system reset its data on what it
>>> decides is the best speed to use for your line.
>>
>>So how often should i do that? I normally just sleep the PC and never
>>turn the modem off. (It doesn't have a on/off switch anyway)
>>
>>>
>>>> but I'll try it anyway

> Did it work?
> With my ASDL2+ modem I behave the same as you
> But after some months it goes "off" turning it of and on again seems to
> fix.

But you only need to turn it off for a couple of minutes to get that fix.

> I also think your IP assigned to your modem may be static not dynamic
> and you Turning it off and on (I guessed for 30 minutes probably get
> away with less like 10?) resets all the data at your provider

No it does not.

What can happen is that the modem decides for itself what
speed it should run the line at, and it can get confused about
that, and turning it off for 30 mins can see THAT data reset,
but its in the modem, not the data your provider has.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 10:53:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4bglp8lqg343bfp4o...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:35:07 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see how that would do anything,
>>>>
>>>> It can see the system reset its data on what it
>>>> decides is the best speed to use for your line.
>>>
>>>So how often should i do that? I normally just sleep the PC and never
>>>turn the modem off. (It doesn't have a on/off switch anyway)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but I'll try it anyway
>
>> Did it work?
>> With my ASDL2+ modem I behave the same as you
>> But after some months it goes "off" turning it of and on again seems to
>> fix.
>
>But you only need to turn it off for a couple of minutes to get that fix.
>

In my case yes

>> I also think your IP assigned to your modem may be static not dynamic
>> and you Turning it off and on (I guessed for 30 minutes probably get
>> away with less like 10?) resets all the data at your provider
>
>No it does not.
>
>What can happen is that the modem decides for itself what
>speed it should run the line at, and it can get confused about
>that, and turning it off for 30 mins can see THAT data reset,
>but its in the modem, not the data your provider has.

OK got the idea that a coaxial modem needs to "re-map" itself and
requires a bit more time to do it not sure what the server looks at or
for

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...

>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>

>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>
>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>

>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>> mobile for calls.
>>>
>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>

>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>
>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>
>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>

>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>
>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>
>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>
>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap
>>>> one yet.
>>>
>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>
>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless
>>>> of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>
>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of them.
>>>
>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>
>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>
>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>

>>> It doesn�t.

>>>
>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>
>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>
>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>
>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
>>>> future in the end
>>>
>>> Corse it is.
>>>
>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>

>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>
>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>
>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>
>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>>>>> phone connection either.
>>>

>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>>
>>>> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to make
>>>> an emergency phone call.
>>>
>>> The obvious approach there is to make
>>> sure you always do have a mobile.
>>>
>>>> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I
>>>> had to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it
>>>> anybody other than iinet themselves.
>>>
>>> The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
>>> deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.
>
>> Crap. Why didn't I know that before?!!
>
> Because everything you touch turns to dog
> shit, even working out what the CSG is about.
>

You are right about that. But it wasn't my touch, it's rather my sleep
deprived zombie brain.
It's not easy to think straight, when doing two jobs, eh?!

Nowadays, everthing I touch turn into Gold............so they say!!!

>> I could've kicked the arse of the bastards for their poor service.
>> I was too stupid to do anything. That's achievement of doing two jobs. I
>> couldn't be bothered and had to pay the $150 to disconnect after their
>> service was shitting on me continuously.
>
> You should have understood the most basic consumer law.
>
> If they can't deliver the service you paid for, you are entitled to
> a full refund of what they charged you, less the usage charges
> for what use you have made of the inadequate service.
>

Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't have
time to chase up the bastards.
But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85 x12
(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
didn't work half of the time.
It won't happen again.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>

>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>
>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>

>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>> mobile for calls.
>>>
>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>

>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>
>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>
>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>

>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>
>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>
>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>
>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt cheap
>>>> one yet.
>>>
>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>
>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month, regardless
>>>> of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>
>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of them.
>>>
>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>
>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>
>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>

>>> It doesn�t.

>>>
>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>
>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>
>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>
>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be the
>>>> future in the end
>>>
>>> Corse it is.
>>>
>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>

>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>
>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>
>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>
>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>>>>> phone connection either.
>>>

>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

His proposal is that copper wire is still good and we should keep it as an
interim medium while rolling over fibreopticss everwhere in the long term,
right?
He thinks total transformation to fibreoptics is too expensive and
unncesessary at this stage, right?

> It remains to be seen if that will happen tho, there are
> some very real legal problems with doing it that way.
>

Turnball comes from a legal backgroud. If he becomes the communications
minister(which is bound to happen if Coaltion wins), he will find a way to
get around the legal issus.
What are the legal issues that gets in the way of his proposal?!

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:25:54 +1000, "Damian"
<damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:

>
>Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't have
>time to chase up the bastards.
>But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85 x12
>(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
>Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
>didn't work half of the time.
>It won't happen again.

Still would like to see a speedtest
www.speedtest.net

If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
to your Testra service manager to upgrade it (fix your line)

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5ohlp81ngdr3t4kas...@4ax.com...

It isnt a coaxial modem with DSL.

> needs to "re-map" itself

It isnt doing that either. JUST resetting what its erroneously
decided is that best speed that can be obtained with that
physical phone line its running on.

> and requires a bit more time to do it

No, more time to decide that its appropriate to drop
the setting its decided is appropriate for that line.

Its done like that so it starts again when moved
to a different physical line and doesn't use the
speed its decided is best for the line it had been
previously used on.

> not sure what the server looks at or for

The server has nothing to do with it with that particular reset.

It does with the turn off for 2 mins. It can decided that the
modem is having a massive brain fart and is trying to log in
repeatedly. The 2 min reset resets the lockout it applys to
modems that its decided are having a brain fart.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>

>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>

>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>
>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>

>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>
>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>
>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>

>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>
>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>
>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>
>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>
>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>

>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>
>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>
>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>
>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>
>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>
>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>
>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>

>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>
>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>
>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>
>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>>>
>>>>> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to
>>>>> make an emergency phone call.
>>>>
>>>> The obvious approach there is to make
>>>> sure you always do have a mobile.
>>>>
>>>>> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I
>>>>> had to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it
>>>>> anybody other than iinet themselves.
>>>>
>>>> The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
>>>> deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.
>>
>>> Crap. Why didn't I know that before?!!
>>
>> Because everything you touch turns to dog
>> shit, even working out what the CSG is about.

> You are right about that. But it wasn't my touch, it's rather my sleep
> deprived zombie brain.
> It's not easy to think straight, when doing two jobs, eh?!

I did that for decades, often 3 jobs.

> Nowadays, everthing I touch turn into Gold............so they say!!!

Have a look at the gold price sometime.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>

>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>

>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>
>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>

>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>
>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>
>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>

>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>
>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>
>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>
>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>
>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>

>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>
>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>
>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>
>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>
>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>
>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>
>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>

>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>
>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>
>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>
>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

No, he wants fiber to the node, not the premises,
with copper from the node to the premises.

> He thinks total transformation to fibreoptics is too expensive and
> unncesessary at this stage, right?

No, he thinks fiber to the node is good enough and the
much higher cost of fiber to the premises isnt warranted.

>> It remains to be seen if that will happen tho, there are
>> some very real legal problems with doing it that way.

> Turnball comes from a legal backgroud.

He's also been extensively involved in communications.

He was one of the owners of Ozemail.

> If he becomes the communications minister (which is bound to happen if
> Coaltion wins),

Yes.

> he will find a way to get around the legal issus.

Not even possible when Telstra owns the copper.

> What are the legal issues that gets in the way of his proposal?!

Telstra owns the copper and if the federal govt wants to take
it away from Telstra, they have to pay fair compensation for it.

When it�s the only copper around, so they have
a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:pkqlp8d2tfd49nuif...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:25:54 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't
>>have
>>time to chase up the bastards.
>>But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85 x12
>>(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
>>Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
>>didn't work half of the time.
>>It won't happen again.
>
> Still would like to see a speedtest
> www.speedtest.net

> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP

That's bullshit. It works fine at even 512Kb

[Petzl]

Didn't work for me.
Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about the
piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a email
contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected tech's come
to check line, turned out to be wired wrong! Over the years 5 or more
I had them coming like Mormons to check the line. I found the best
check for was dial one number and listen or noise. These "tech's" that
came often repaired wires (green ooze came out) this stopped noise for
maybe a month.
My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost watch movies
(can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).

Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.
In New Zealand they have it and NO ONE gets even near "Mister
Broadbands" speeds the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2, so rather
nothing at all is the best option until, if ever it can be done right

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:j99mp8t8rkup17mk6...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:27:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:pkqlp8d2tfd49nuif...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:25:54 +1000, "Damian"
>>> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't
>>>>have
>>>>time to chase up the bastards.
>>>>But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85
>>>>x12
>>>>(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
>>>>Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
>>>>didn't work half of the time.
>>>>It won't happen again.
>>>
>>> Still would like to see a speedtest
>>> www.speedtest.net
>>
>>> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP
>>
>>That's bullshit. It works fine at even 512Kb
>>
>>> and need to speak to your Testra service manager to upgrade it (fix your
>>> line)

> Didn't work for me.

Because some clown had fucked up and had a spur on your copper pair.

> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!

So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.

> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.

But the problem was actually a spur.

> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).

> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.

Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.

> In New Zealand they have it

No they don't.

> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds

They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.

> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,

That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.

> so rather nothing at all is the best option
> until, if ever it can be done right

It will be FTTP eventually.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:36:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Don't know what a "spur" is? The story was something to do with a
"pair" though and don't know what even that is or why it took over 5
years to find it and correct it?

>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!
>
>So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.
>

Maybe all I know I in best moments got 512 up was fuck all useless and
VOIP was useless but fixed when the wrong connection was righted and
got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up

>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.
>
>But the problem was actually a spur.
>

No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it as none of
their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?

>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).
>
>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.
>
>Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.
>
>> In New Zealand they have it
>
>No they don't.
>

Go to NZ often all my friends there have it
Google comes up with this hype
http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney

>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds
>
>They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.
>

You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn

>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,
>
>That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.
>

Not fast enough for me Rod
Always been faster is better.
A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view
point at everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial
sides and so-on). Still enough speed for his kids to watch there
computers

>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>> until, if ever it can be done right
>
>It will be FTTP eventually.
>

Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.
We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.
In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which I know for a
fact is near useless for demands of the day.
If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/Abbotts-NBN-Plan
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

[keithr]

According to my modem I am getting 1020kbps up and 21329 kbps down.
About 7Km from the exchange.

[keithr]

Just hitting the reset button (or pulling the line connection for a few
seconds) should cause it to re-train to the current line conditions.

[Frank Slootweg]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:25:54 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't have
> >time to chase up the bastards.
> >But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85 x12
> >(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
> >Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
> >didn't work half of the time.
> >It won't happen again.
>
> Still would like to see a speedtest
> www.speedtest.net
>
> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
> to your Testra service manager to upgrade it (fix your line)

Nonsense! No way VOIP needs/uses 2Mbps My SP has a phone-only VOIP
product, i.e. no normal/broadband Internet, and that's 64/64kbps. If
VOIP needed 2Mbps, no-one would use it on their smart phones, because at
that speed the per minute data cost would be way too high.

[Petzl]

On 21 May 2013 12:30:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

All I know is that I had 5 down but suspect problem was up speed which
not even 64 the weakest link.
I have no trouble using VOIP on my Samsung Note 2 out of interest
The OP has problems with VOIP I would like to see his speedtest result

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:b016se...@mid.individual.net...

I just meant that the variation in speed he sees with time
of day is due to the inadequate link behind the DSLAM,
not the speed between the DSLAM and his modem.

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

news:b017c7...@mid.individual.net...

Not necessarily, that varys with the modem. Some of them don't do
that with just a simple reset or unplug, because so many do that for
other reasons and the designer has decided that it doesn't make any
sense to throw away what is supposed to be the best speed that can
be achieved on that line that's been found over months.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ntmmp8hs38vulg7u0...@4ax.com...

Basically a pair off the pair you are using that goes nowhere.

> The story was something to do with a "pair" though

Yep.

> and don't know what even that is

You have a pair of copper wires from your house
back to the exchange. It should be just a continuous
run of copper from your house to the exchange.

You had another pair off that at one of the pits,
which had been used to provide a service to
someone else, but which is no longer being used.

> or why it took over 5 years to find it and correct it?

Its not obvious to the most stupid techs and isnt that
easy to find unless you know what you are doing.

>>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!

>> So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.

> Maybe

No maybe about it.

> all I know I in best moments got 512 up
> was fuck all useless and VOIP was useless

Because of that spur.

> but fixed when the wrong connection was
> righted and got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up

That says nothing useful about what speed is needed for voip.

>>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.

>> But the problem was actually a spur.

> No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it

Nope.

> as none of their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?

They just tried harder/sent someone with a clue when you
reconnected to Telstra.

>>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).

>>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.

>> Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.

>>> In New Zealand they have it

>> No they don't.

> Go to NZ often all my friends there have it

No they don't with what Turdbull is planning to have here.

> Google comes up with this hype
> http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
> They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney

That's bullshit too.

>>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds

>> They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.

> You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn

Nope, only ever driven thru it.

>>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,

>>That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.

> Not fast enough for me Rod
> Always been faster is better.

That's bullshit.

> A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
> on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view point at
> everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial sides and
> so-on).
> Still enough speed for his kids to watch there computers

Yes, fiber optic is better, but it makes no sense to be pissing
anything like $50B against the wall so fools can watch stupid
games like that like that. And you don't need fiber optic to
do that anyway.

>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>> until, if ever it can be done right

>> It will be FTTP eventually.

> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.

That last isnt right.

> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.

That's wrong too.

> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.

That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.

> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit

All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can ever
do.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 03:12:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The story was something to do with a "pair" though
>
>Yep.
>
>> and don't know what even that is
>
>You have a pair of copper wires from your house
>back to the exchange. It should be just a continuous
>run of copper from your house to the exchange.
>
>You had another pair off that at one of the pits,
>which had been used to provide a service to
>someone else, but which is no longer being used.
>

Thanks

>> or why it took over 5 years to find it and correct it?
>
>Its not obvious to the most stupid techs and isnt that
>easy to find unless you know what you are doing.
>

There were a fucken lot of "tech's" that didn't find it?

>>>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>>>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>>>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>>>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!
>
>>> So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.
>
>> Maybe
>
>No maybe about it.
>

I used VOIP with 33 modem not that clearly though
Even were able to video call using Windows 95 on it
But not clearly. With ADSL although my line was shot misconfigured
Since the "Service Manager" had my line set-up right and getting
2Mb/s+ down and 0.5Mb/s up no trouble as clear as using any phone.
I have been around Sydney and find most with poor connectivity finding
VOIP useless.
Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?

>> all I know I in best moments got 512 up
>> was fuck all useless and VOIP was useless
>
>Because of that spur.
>

Bastewards

>> but fixed when the wrong connection was
>> righted and got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up
>
>That says nothing useful about what speed is needed for voip.
>

Most certainly didn't work for me. Got as good with a 33K modem

>>>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>>>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>>>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>>>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.
>
>>> But the problem was actually a spur.
>
>> No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it
>
>Nope.

Just find it hard to believe over 5 years perhaps a 1000 "tech's" not
finding something that was found in less than 10 minutes by the
"service managers" team first visit been "sound" now for two years

>
>> as none of their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?
>
>They just tried harder/sent someone with a clue when you
>reconnected to Telstra.
>

The "Service Manager" did most certainly have a clue

>>>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>>>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).
>
>>>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.
>
>>> Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.
>
>>>> In New Zealand they have it
>
>>> No they don't.
>
>> Go to NZ often all my friends there have it
>
>No they don't with what Turdbull is planning to have here.
>

VDSL2 NZ supposedly has VDSL3 the latest (only in certain centres) but
all hype no difference

>> Google comes up with this hype
>> http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
>> They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney
>
>That's bullshit too.

Best I've seen in Sydney is 4Mb/s down 1Mb/s up
You get a lot of "artists" (Damian) who claim better but can't/wont
show the speedtest to confirm

>
>>>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds
>
>>> They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.
>
>> You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn
>
>Nope, only ever driven thru it.
>
>>>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,
>
>>>That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.
>
>> Not fast enough for me Rod
>> Always been faster is better.
>
>That's bullshit.
>
>> A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
>> on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view point at
>> everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial sides and
>> so-on).
>> Still enough speed for his kids to watch there computers
>
>Yes, fiber optic is better, but it makes no sense to be pissing
>anything like $50B against the wall so fools can watch stupid
>games like that like that. And you don't need fiber optic to
>do that anyway.
>

That's just part of it at home use level.
Very impressed

>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>> until, if ever it can be done right
>
>>> It will be FTTP eventually.
>
>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.
>
>That last isnt right.
>

Power supplied cabinets for every 50 homes? Then to be chucked away
for the inevitable FTTP/H? Sounds Turdbull to me

>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.
>
>That's wrong too.
>

A lot of billions already been spent to date
Like all those roads to nowhere in Sydney stopped for over a decade
because of politcal whim

>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.
>
>That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.
>

Still goning to be axed/upgraded at ery least to VDSL2/3

>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit
>
>All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can ever
>do.

yep BOTH sides of politcs are too bent to be straight.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> The story was something to do with a "pair" though

>> Yep.

>>> and don't know what even that is

>> You have a pair of copper wires from your house
>> back to the exchange. It should be just a continuous
>> run of copper from your house to the exchange.

>> You had another pair off that at one of the pits,
>> which had been used to provide a service to
>> someone else, but which is no longer being used.

> Thanks

>>> or why it took over 5 years to find it and correct it?

>> Its not obvious to the most stupid techs and isnt that
>> easy to find unless you know what you are doing.

> There were a fucken lot of "tech's" that didn't find it?

Because they don't matter a damn for a phone
service and are only a problem with a DSL service.

>>>>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>>>>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>>>>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>>>>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!

>>>> So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.

>>> Maybe

>> No maybe about it.

> I used VOIP with 33 modem

Yeah, its quite possible with the right codec.

> not that clearly though
> Even were able to video call using Windows 95 on it
> But not clearly. With ADSL although my line was shot misconfigured
> Since the "Service Manager" had my line set-up right and getting
> 2Mb/s+ down and 0.5Mb/s up no trouble as clear as using any phone.

And you would have got that with a 512Kb service too.

> I have been around Sydney and find most
> with poor connectivity finding VOIP useless.

FAR more find skype works fine.

> Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?

An ATA doesn't even use that.

>>> all I know I in best moments got 512 up
>>> was fuck all useless and VOIP was useless

>> Because of that spur.

> Bastewards

>>> but fixed when the wrong connection was
>>> righted and got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up

>> That says nothing useful about what speed is needed for voip.

> Most certainly didn't work for me.

Because of that spur fucking up your DSL service.

> Got as good with a 33K modem

>>>>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>>>>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>>>>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>>>>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.

>>>> But the problem was actually a spur.

>>> No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it

>> Nope.

> Just find it hard to believe over 5 years perhaps a 1000 "tech's" not
> finding something that was found in less than 10 minutes by the
> "service managers" team first visit been "sound" now for two years

That's because spurs don't matter a damn with a voice
service and that all those clowns know anything about.

When my line card back in the exchange had a short
circuit between the ears, the tech showed up here and
had an instant meldown between the ears when he
realised I had a DSL service.

I told him to just ignore that and carry on regardless.

He did, and replaced the line card within
minutes of getting back to the exchange.

>>> as none of their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?

>> They just tried harder/sent someone with
>> a clue when you reconnected to Telstra.

> The "Service Manager" did most certainly have a clue

And understood that spurs can be a problem with DSL.

>>>>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>>>>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).

>>>>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.

>>>> Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.

>>>>> In New Zealand they have it

>>>> No they don't.

>>> Go to NZ often all my friends there have it

>> No they don't with what Turdbull is planning to have here.

> VDSL2 NZ supposedly has VDSL3 the latest (only
> in certain centres) but all hype no difference

And Turdbull isnt proposing we have either of those here.

>>> Google comes up with this hype
>>> http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
>>> They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney

>> That's bullshit too.

> Best I've seen in Sydney is 4Mb/s down 1Mb/s up

Then you need to get out more. Plenty get much better
than that and you can see that on Whirlfool and TPG
that has its users report what speeds that get.

> You get a lot of "artists" (Damian) who claim better
> but can't/wont show the speedtest to confirm

speedtest is a lousy measure of the real speed.

>>>>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds

>>>> They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.

>>> You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn

>> Nope, only ever driven thru it.

Did land there for a refuel of the plane one time.

>>>>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,

>>>> That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.

>>> Not fast enough for me Rod
>>> Always been faster is better.

>> That's bullshit.

>>> A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
>>> on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view point
>>> at
>>> everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial sides and
>>> so-on). Still enough speed for his kids to watch there computers

>> Yes, fiber optic is better, but it makes no sense to be pissing
>> anything like $50B against the wall so fools can watch stupid
>> games like that like that. And you don't need fiber optic to
>> do that anyway.

> That's just part of it at home use level.
> Very impressed

You don't need FTTP for that.

>>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>>> until, if ever it can be done right

>>>> It will be FTTP eventually.

>>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.

>> That last isnt right.

> Power supplied cabinets for every 50 homes?

Nope, that number is straight from someone's arse.

> Then to be chucked away for the inevitable
> FTTP/H? Sounds Turdbull to me

Nothing like it in fact.

>>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.

>> That's wrong too.

> A lot of billions already been spent to date

They won't rip out what FTTP there is and replace it with FTTN.

> Like all those roads to nowhere in Sydney stopped
> for over a decade because of politcal whim

There are fuck all roads like that.

>>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.

>> That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.

> Still goning to be axed/upgraded at ery least to VDSL2/3

Turdbull isnt talking about VDSL2/3

>>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit

>> All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can
>> ever do.

> yep BOTH sides of politcs are too bent to be straight.

The other 'sides' are even worse.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:52:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> The story was something to do with a "pair" though
>
>>> Yep.
>
>>>> and don't know what even that is
>
>>> You have a pair of copper wires from your house
>>> back to the exchange. It should be just a continuous
>>> run of copper from your house to the exchange.
>
>>> You had another pair off that at one of the pits,
>>> which had been used to provide a service to
>>> someone else, but which is no longer being used.
>
>> Thanks
>
>>>> or why it took over 5 years to find it and correct it?
>
>>> Its not obvious to the most stupid techs and isnt that
>>> easy to find unless you know what you are doing.
>
>> There were a fucken lot of "tech's" that didn't find it?
>
>Because they don't matter a damn for a phone
>service and are only a problem with a DSL service.
>

That's what I specially told them I were having troubles with

>>>>>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>>>>>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>>>>>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>>>>>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!
>
>>>>> So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.
>
>>>> Maybe
>
>>> No maybe about it.
>
>> I used VOIP with 33 modem
>
>Yeah, its quite possible with the right codec.
>
>> not that clearly though
>> Even were able to video call using Windows 95 on it
>> But not clearly. With ADSL although my line was shot misconfigured
>> Since the "Service Manager" had my line set-up right and getting
>> 2Mb/s+ down and 0.5Mb/s up no trouble as clear as using any phone.
>
>And you would have got that with a 512Kb service too.
>

Only real rubbish intermittent speech and the other end who what say
again. Didn't sound like working to me

>> I have been around Sydney and find most
>> with poor connectivity finding VOIP useless.
>
>FAR more find skype works fine.
>

Not a trouble anymore

>> Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?
>
>An ATA doesn't even use that.
>

That's the port VOIP uses

>>>> all I know I in best moments got 512 up
>>>> was fuck all useless and VOIP was useless
>
>>> Because of that spur.
>
>> Bastewards
>
>>>> but fixed when the wrong connection was
>>>> righted and got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up
>
>>> That says nothing useful about what speed is needed for voip.
>
>> Most certainly didn't work for me.
>
>Because of that spur fucking up your DSL service.
>

Seems to be, but also seems a very common symptom all over Sydney

>> Got as good with a 33K modem
>
>>>>>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>>>>>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>>>>>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>>>>>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.
>
>>>>> But the problem was actually a spur.
>
>>>> No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it
>
>>> Nope.
>
>> Just find it hard to believe over 5 years perhaps a 1000 "tech's" not
>> finding something that was found in less than 10 minutes by the
>> "service managers" team first visit been "sound" now for two years
>
>That's because spurs don't matter a damn with a voice
>service and that all those clowns know anything about.
>
>When my line card back in the exchange had a short
>circuit between the ears, the tech showed up here and
>had an instant meldown between the ears when he
>realised I had a DSL service.
>
>I told him to just ignore that and carry on regardless.
>
>He did, and replaced the line card within
>minutes of getting back to the exchange.
>

For me I've never even found a plumber who can dig a hole without
falling in it. Seems that standards of competency are now set to low
for qualifications. The only people I have repair my car are Arabs
they do do what they say and far better than any new car "service"
places I avoid. Found them dangerous and incompetent

>>>> as none of their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?
>
>>> They just tried harder/sent someone with
>>> a clue when you reconnected to Telstra.
>
>> The "Service Manager" did most certainly have a clue
>
>And understood that spurs can be a problem with DSL.
>

Seems to me the "texhs" were told what was wrong as it was known all
the time? They simply drove straight to the street coonnections and
did whatever it was took less than ten minutes. Sounds like a set-up

>>>>>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>>>>>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).
>
>>>>>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly mistake.
>
>>>>> Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.
>
>>>>>> In New Zealand they have it
>
>>>>> No they don't.
>
>>>> Go to NZ often all my friends there have it
>
>>> No they don't with what Turdbull is planning to have here.
>
>> VDSL2 NZ supposedly has VDSL3 the latest (only
>> in certain centres) but all hype no difference
>
>And Turdbull isnt proposing we have either of those here.
>

OK what is he proposing. The ABC suggests I'm correct?

>>>> Google comes up with this hype
>>>> http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
>>>> They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney
>
>>> That's bullshit too.
>
>> Best I've seen in Sydney is 4Mb/s down 1Mb/s up
>
>Then you need to get out more. Plenty get much better
>than that and you can see that on Whirlfool and TPG
>that has its users report what speeds that get.
>

Been to a lot of places all over Sydney usually asked tox
Straight away looking at the state of the copper wire in street never
impressed me,

>> You get a lot of "artists" (Damian) who claim better
>> but can't/wont show the speedtest to confirm
>
>speedtest is a lousy measure of the real speed.
>

Accurate enough and gives a picture to show all, not txt results

>>>>>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds
>
>>>>> They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.
>
>>>> You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn
>
>>> Nope, only ever driven thru it.
>
>Did land there for a refuel of the plane one time.
>

Always refuel there on way to Canberra

>>>>>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,
>
>>>>> That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.
>
>>>> Not fast enough for me Rod
>>>> Always been faster is better.
>
>>> That's bullshit.
>
>>>> A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
>>>> on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view point
>>>> at
>>>> everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial sides and
>>>> so-on). Still enough speed for his kids to watch there computers
>
>>> Yes, fiber optic is better, but it makes no sense to be pissing
>>> anything like $50B against the wall so fools can watch stupid
>>> games like that like that. And you don't need fiber optic to
>>> do that anyway.
>
>> That's just part of it at home use level.
>> Very impressed
>
>You don't need FTTP for that.
>

You do for a whole package

>>>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>>>> until, if ever it can be done right
>
>>>>> It will be FTTP eventually.
>
>>>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.
>
>>> That last isnt right.
>
>> Power supplied cabinets for every 50 homes?
>
>Nope, that number is straight from someone's arse.
>

Turnbull said it somewhere? Every Street

>> Then to be chucked away for the inevitable
>> FTTP/H? Sounds Turdbull to me
>
>Nothing like it in fact.
>

FTTN is a temp move why KRudd went for the whole pack

>>>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.
>
>>> That's wrong too.
>
>> A lot of billions already been spent to date
>
>They won't rip out what FTTP there is and replace it with FTTN.
>
>> Like all those roads to nowhere in Sydney stopped
>> for over a decade because of politcal whim
>
>There are fuck all roads like that.
>

There were in 1970's to late 90's motorways to nowhere

>>>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>>>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.
>
>>> That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.
>
>> Still goning to be axed/upgraded at ery least to VDSL2/3
>
>Turdbull isnt talking about VDSL2/3
>
>>>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit
>
>>> All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can
>>> ever do.
>
>> yep BOTH sides of politcs are too bent to be straight.
>
>The other 'sides' are even worse.

Yes if they look like a chance the get taken over by those with
strange agendas

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> The story was something to do with a "pair" though

>>>> Yep.

>>>>> and don't know what even that is

>>>> You have a pair of copper wires from your house
>>>> back to the exchange. It should be just a continuous
>>>> run of copper from your house to the exchange.

>>>> You had another pair off that at one of the pits,
>>>> which had been used to provide a service to
>>>> someone else, but which is no longer being used.

>>> Thanks

>>>>> or why it took over 5 years to find it and correct it?

>>>> Its not obvious to the most stupid techs and isnt that
>>>> easy to find unless you know what you are doing.

>>> There were a fucken lot of "tech's" that didn't find it?

>> Because they don't matter a damn for a phone
>> service and are only a problem with a DSL service.

> That's what I specially told them I were having troubles with

Sure, but when they aren't even providing the DSL service,
and the absolute vast bulk of faults are just a bad joint etc,
and you did have noise you could hear when you stop the
dial tone by dialing one digit on the handset, its not very
surprising that they only send an ape that doesn't know
a damned thing about obscure DSL faults.

>>>>>>> Did when a LOT of people started complaining to local paper about
>>>>>>> the piss poor speeds in our neighborhood. Telstra then advertised a
>>>>>>> email contact (service manager). He had some "proper" selected
>>>>>>> tech's come to check line, turned out to be wired wrong!

>>>>>> So you are just plain wrong about the speed that's need for voip.

>>>>> Maybe

>>>> No maybe about it.

>>> I used VOIP with 33 modem

>>Yeah, its quite possible with the right codec.

>>> not that clearly though
>>> Even were able to video call using Windows 95 on it
>>> But not clearly. With ADSL although my line was shot misconfigured
>>> Since the "Service Manager" had my line set-up right and getting
>>> 2Mb/s+ down and 0.5Mb/s up no trouble as clear as using any phone.

>> And you would have got that with a 512Kb service too.

> Only real rubbish intermittent speech and the other end who what say
> again.

Nope, its indistinguishable from a POTS call.

> Didn't sound like working to me

It is anyway.

>>> I have been around Sydney and find most
>>> with poor connectivity finding VOIP useless.

>> FAR more find skype works fine.

> Not a trouble anymore

>>> Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?

>> An ATA doesn't even use that.

> That's the port VOIP uses

Not with an ATA.

>>>>> all I know I in best moments got 512 up
>>>>> was fuck all useless and VOIP was useless

>>>> Because of that spur.

>>> Bastewards

>>>>> but fixed when the wrong connection was
>>>>> righted and got 2Mb/s down 0.5 up

>>>> That says nothing useful about what speed is needed for voip.

>>> Most certainly didn't work for me.

>> Because of that spur fucking up your DSL service.

> Seems to be, but also seems a very common symptom all over Sydney

Nope.

>>> Got as good with a 33K modem

>>>>>>> Over the years 5 or more I had them coming like Mormons to check
>>>>>>> the line. I found the best check for was dial one number and listen
>>>>>>> or noise. These "tech's" that came often repaired wires (green ooze
>>>>>>> came out) this stopped noise for maybe a month.

>>>>>> But the problem was actually a spur.

>>>>> No doubt you are right, I believe Telstra sabotaged it

>>>> Nope.

>>> Just find it hard to believe over 5 years perhaps a 1000 "tech's" not
>>> finding something that was found in less than 10 minutes by the
>>> "service managers" team first visit been "sound" now for two years

>> That's because spurs don't matter a damn with a voice
>> service and that all those clowns know anything about.

>> When my line card back in the exchange had a short
>> circuit between the ears, the tech showed up here and
>> had an instant meldown between the ears when he
>> realised I had a DSL service.

>> I told him to just ignore that and carry on regardless.

>> He did, and replaced the line card within
>> minutes of getting back to the exchange.

> For me I've never even found a plumber
> who can dig a hole without falling in it.

Mine didn't. And the main sewer line is a fucking long way down.

The only real complaint I had with them is that they had a
hell of a capacity for showing up, tipping the entire contents
of the toolbox out on the ground, deciding what they needed
was still back at that shed and fucking off back to get it.

Just a nuisance tho, they'd already quoted for the job.

> Seems that standards of competency are now set to low for
> qualifications. The only people I have repair my car are Arabs
> they do do what they say and far better than any new car "service"
> places I avoid. Found them dangerous and incompetent

Mine was fine with the only one I got them to do because it was free.

>>>>> as none of their "repairmen" fixed it till I reconnected to Telstra?

>>>> They just tried harder/sent someone with
>>>> a clue when you reconnected to Telstra.

>>> The "Service Manager" did most certainly have a clue

>> And understood that spurs can be a problem with DSL.

> Seems to me the "texhs" were told what
> was wrong as it was known all the time?

Nope. Someone looked up the cable records and saw the
record of the spur on the pair you were on and told them
where it was and they went out and cut it off.

> They simply drove straight to the street coonnections
> and did whatever it was took less than ten minutes.

Yeah, takes more time to get the cover off and put
the metal frame thing up than to cut off the spur.

> Sounds like a set-up

Nope, just like with everything else, if you know where
the problem is, doesn't take long to fix unless the entire
multicore cable has been fried by a lightning strike etc.

Same with what they call an HR joint. Once
you know where it is, takes no time to fix.

>>>>>>> My speed now is still crappy but I can VOIP and almost
>>>>>>> watch movies (can't from BigPond Movies now streaming).

>>>>>>> Still don't want "Fiber to the Node" FTTN no point and costly
>>>>>>> mistake.

>>>>>> Turdbull doesn't give a damn what you want.

>>>>>>> In New Zealand they have it

>>>>>> No they don't.

>>>>> Go to NZ often all my friends there have it

>>>> No they don't with what Turdbull is planning to have here.

>>> VDSL2 NZ supposedly has VDSL3 the latest (only
>>> in certain centres) but all hype no difference

>> And Turdbull isnt proposing we have either of those here.

> OK what is he proposing.

FTTN, but not VDSL2/3

> The ABC suggests I'm correct?

Journos haven't got a fucking clue about the basics.

>>>>> Google comes up with this hype
>>>>> http://corporatereview.telecom.co.nz/fromtheceo
>>>>> They most certainly have better speeds than anywhere in Sydney

>>>> That's bullshit too.

>>> Best I've seen in Sydney is 4Mb/s down 1Mb/s up

>> Then you need to get out more. Plenty get much better
>> than that and you can see that on Whirlfool and TPG
>> that has its users report what speeds that get.

> Been to a lot of places all over Sydney usually asked tox
> Straight away looking at the state of the copper wire in
> street never impressed me,

Nothing to do with what speed it can do.

>>> You get a lot of "artists" (Damian) who claim better
>>> but can't/wont show the speedtest to confirm

>> speedtest is a lousy measure of the real speed.

> Accurate enough

Bullshit, its hopeless.

> and gives a picture to show all, not txt results

You don't need a picture, just the speed.

>>>>>>> and NO ONE gets even near "Mister Broadbands" speeds

>>>>>> They don't need them to watch sheep fucking videos.

>>>>> You missing out are you Rod, thought you grew up in Goulburn

>>>> Nope, only ever driven thru it.

>> Did land there for a refuel of the plane one time.

> Always refuel there on way to Canberra

Not in a plane. No need to refuel between Canberra Sydney.

No need to refuel between my place and Sydney either.

Do need on stop between my place and BrizVegas the long way round.

>>>>>>> the do get DOWN about 8, up about 2,

>>>>>> That's all they need to watch sheep fucking videos.

>>>>> Not fast enough for me Rod
>>>>> Always been faster is better.

>>>> That's bullshit.

>>>>> A pommy mate in Manchester has optic and his TV is hooked into it mad
>>>>> on Soccer, the tv has pictures within pictures all in 1 game view
>>>>> point at
>>>>> everywhere at a click of remote (through Goal posts, arial sides and
>>>>> so-on). Still enough speed for his kids to watch there computers

>>>> Yes, fiber optic is better, but it makes no sense to be pissing
>>>> anything like $50B against the wall so fools can watch stupid
>>>> games like that like that. And you don't need fiber optic to
>>>> do that anyway.

>>> That's just part of it at home use level.
>>> Very impressed

>> You don't need FTTP for that.

> You do for a whole package

Nope.

>>>>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>>>>> until, if ever it can be done right

>>>>>> It will be FTTP eventually.

>>>>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.

>>>> That last isnt right.

>>> Power supplied cabinets for every 50 homes?

>> Nope, that number is straight from someone's arse.

> Turnbull said it somewhere?

Nope.

> Every Street

He's just plain wrong.

>>> Then to be chucked away for the inevitable
>>> FTTP/H? Sounds Turdbull to me

>> Nothing like it in fact.

> FTTN is a temp move

Yes, but you don't chuck it all always with FTTP.

> why KRudd went for the whole pack

Nope, he did that because no one was
silly enough to tender for his stupid FTTN.

>>>>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.

>>>> That's wrong too.

>>> A lot of billions already been spent to date

>> They won't rip out what FTTP there is and replace it with FTTN.

>>> Like all those roads to nowhere in Sydney stopped
>>> for over a decade because of politcal whim

>> There are fuck all roads like that.

> There were in 1970's to late 90's motorways to nowhere

Bullshit.

>>>>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>>>>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.

>>>> That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.

>>> Still goning to be axed/upgraded at ery least to VDSL2/3

>> Turdbull isnt talking about VDSL2/3

>>>>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit

>>>> All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can
>>>> ever do.

>>> yep BOTH sides of politcs are too bent to be straight.

>> The other 'sides' are even worse.

> Yes if they look like a chance the get taken
> over by those with strange agendas

Like those that hate moslems.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Yes. That's true. If we get NBN everywhere, that should be for a better
reason than that.
I wonder whether they are going to lay fibre optics along Sturt Hwy, etc. so
the rural areas can get better medical and educational services.
E.g. Wouldn't it be nice to consult a GP or specialist in Adelaide via HD
video, etc from Coober Pedy to get any medical help?!
Also would be good for the alcoholics and bums in Coober Pedy to get some
tertiary education via NBN facilities?!

>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>> until, if ever it can be done right
>
>>> It will be FTTP eventually.
>
>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.
>
> That last isnt right.
>
>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.
>
> That's wrong too.
>
>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.
>
> That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.
>
>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit
>
> All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can
> ever do.

Does Tony the Abbot fall into the same category?!

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:25:54 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Yes. That's why have to admit my stupidity. It was time as well, didn't
>>have
>>time to chase up the bastards.
>>But, lousy excuse in the end of the day. I was ripped off for good $85 x12
>>(a years worth hopeless bare arse DSL that didn't work well)
>>Cost me more on mobile phone calls, since their 'free' voip connection
>>didn't work half of the time.
>>It won't happen again.
>
> Still would like to see a speedtest
> www.speedtest.net
>
> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
>>

That can't be right. I've managed to get decent voip connection with
256K/bit when it was shaped by the ISP.
Voip is not a bandwidth hog. And the beauty of it.

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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That's plain wrong. You've never asked me to substantiate it.

. I just did the test 1:44 pm EST, and here the result

Line speed : 14.28 Mbps
Download Speed: 1.74 MB/s

And now I have to take back the drivel I made about the slowing down in
early afternoon, etc.
It's still good.

If you've got ADSL2+, and you never get anywhere near the claimed speed,
then you've given shitty line or multiplexed line,
or you are too far from the exchange.(or you gota shitty router or it's
badly configured). If you muck around with ADSL settings in the router to
tweak for better speeds, you better have an ADSL manual, in addition to
router configuration manual.
That's all I can think of, I'm no telecom expert. Rod might be able shed
more light on that.

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I've never said about a VOIP problem that's to do with speed here. It was
more about Naked DSL and it's practicality.
I've posted my speed test results already. When I had problems with VOIP
back then, that wasn't related to ADSL speed, rather ADSL downtime, and
other voip related issues that are not due to lack of bandwidth.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knep9o$cro$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>

>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>

>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>

>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>
>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>>
>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>

>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>>>>
>>>>>> It would really matter, if you don't have a mobile and you need to
>>>>>> make an emergency phone call.
>>>>>
>>>>> The obvious approach there is to make
>>>>> sure you always do have a mobile.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It happened to me over four years ago, when I got iinet Naked DSL. I
>>>>>> had to waive the CSG to get the deal, so I couldn't complain about it
>>>>>> anybody other than iinet themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CSG waiver only applys to the time it takes to
>>>>> deliver the service, not to whether it works or not.
>>>
>>>> Crap. Why didn't I know that before?!!
>>>
>>> Because everything you touch turns to dog
>>> shit, even working out what the CSG is about.
>
>> You are right about that. But it wasn't my touch, it's rather my sleep
>> deprived zombie brain.
>> It's not easy to think straight, when doing two jobs, eh?!
>
> I did that for decades, often 3 jobs.
>

Your generation were able to do that. It's rapidly diminshing nowadays.
When I said two jobs, I meant over 65 hours a week.
And one of them was fairly physical. That was a real back breaker.

>> Nowadays, everthing I touch turn into Gold............so they say!!!
>
> Have a look at the gold price sometime.
>

Yeah, some idiots lost millions because of recent slump.
My lady did the same couple of years ago(Silver, not gold though).
And ten grand worth silver worth less now. Stupid investment.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>

>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>

>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>

>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>
>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>>
>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>

>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

> When it�s the only copper around, so they have

> a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.
>

Wonder why the Libs privatised most of Telstra when they want to control it.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:38:40 +1000, "Damian"
<damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Still would like to see a speedtest
>> www.speedtest.net
>>
>> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
>>>
>
>That can't be right. I've managed to get decent voip connection with
>256K/bit when it was shaped by the ISP.
>Voip is not a bandwidth hog. And the beauty of it.

Agreed but to see the speedtest picture tells a lot.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2723623590.png
You were sayng that you have problem with voip
I had problems but were fixed when my line was

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 23:44:33 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> *IF* you have a CLEAN connection, wired right, no more than 30 minute
>>>>> walk from exchange (closer the better) should work well.
>>>>
>>>>It works fine a lot further away than that.
>>>>
>>> Mine is 7 km of copper wire but exchange is closer around 4 km.
>>> I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.
>>>
>>
>>Mine is about 15MBit/sec 1.8 MBit/sec downstream.
>>I 've never got the 24Mbit they promised me though.
>>But, the above speed I get only during non-busy times.
>>In the morning, midday, earl afternoon, it's much slower.
>

> VOIP should work no trouble?

My VOIP is fine. I didn't complaint about in this occasion.
Rod was referring to a previous compalint with MNF.

> Go to
> www.speedtest.net
> And show
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2719959989.png

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

> news:knd95j$cul$1...@dont-email.me...

>>
>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ss2kp85q76e379mdk...@4ax.com...

>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 20:18:47 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:9crip8l5ncsbfffob...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 03:43:25 +1000, "Damian"

>>>>> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>complaints?!
>>>>>>Basically you need a voip service to go with it.

>>>>>>But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be any
>>>>>>phone
>>>>>>connection either.

>>>>>>I was with iinet naked dsl over couple of years ago and it was crap.

>>>>>>I'm not sure about the quality of the Naked DSL now, so I thought I
>>>>>>might
>>>>>>ask the fellas here.

>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>> Copper wire is the problem *in my experience*
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/c7n7v7o
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d4gtltv
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d8jvkpr
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/csgjgkx
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cmu7s66
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d2oqzn5
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cgkuvyy
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/bwtwfcc
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cnyy7zh
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cydcq96
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/c9pmw65
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d6nawrx
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/bvo69xu
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d4ase82

>>>>> *IF* you have a CLEAN connection, wired right, no more than 30 minute
>>>>> walk from exchange (closer the better) should work well.
>>>>
>>>>It works fine a lot further away than that.
>>>>
>>> Mine is 7 km of copper wire but exchange is closer around 4 km.
>>> I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.
>>>
>>
>> Mine is about 15MBit/sec 1.8 MBit/sec downstream.
>> I 've never got the 24Mbit they promised me though.
>> But, the above speed I get only during non-busy times.
>> In the morning, midday, earl afternoon, it's much slower.
>

> That�s not the physical connection, that�s the link behind the DSLAM.
>

You mean 24Mbps speed they say the line has, right?

>>> And how is your Iphone 5 (Welcome to the world of knowledge and modern
>>> civilization). Still think a good accessory for it is a cover
>>> http://tinyurl.com/m7lw2tf
>>> The synthetic are probably the better as easy to wipe clean
>>>
>>>>> If you have a Telstra connection speak to your "Customer Service
>>>>> Manager" to organise his select team to check your connection.
>>>>> "Faults" just send some know nothing drone who hasent a clue,
>>>>> IF you get a NBN connection your "phone" will be VOIP with no problems
>
>

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Which is a lot more than a 30 mins walk.

>
>> I get around 2.4Mbits/sec down 0.74 up.
>

>> And how is your Iphone 5
>

> Lovely, no complaints at all except for the lack of a
> few things like google voice in Australia that applys
> to every other phone too.

>
>> (Welcome to the world of knowledge and modern civilization).
>

> Yeah, some stuff is very elegantly done indeed,
> like auto breaking up phone numbers with spaces
> when you enter a new one into the phone manually.
>
> And its very convenient indeed to be able to look
> at a contacts entry which has a street address in it,
> just tap the address and have it pop up the map
> and route you from where you are to that place.
>
> Nokia Drive is marginally better in the sense that
> you can download the maps into the phone while
> you still have access to wifi. Both the apple mapping
> and google maps does allow you to start the trip
> where you have wifi access and it works fine to the
> destination that doesn't have wifi access, but you
> cant do another without using the cellular data
> when you are at the destination without wifi.

>
>> Still think a good accessory for it is a cover
>> http://tinyurl.com/m7lw2tf
>

> I hate covers, they just make the use of the phone more hassle.

>
>> The synthetic are probably the better as easy to wipe clean
>

> I don't bother to wipe clean my wallet, even in the 40 years
> I have been using the current one that I am retiring today.
>

Are you saying your wallet is 40 years old?!
You are bullshitting, aren't you?!
What is it made of?!
Crocodile butt?! ;)


> The class and metal case of the iphone is very easy to clean
> and air gestures should see them stay clean anyway.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Does the port(s) used by an ATA need to be fixed(certain port only)?!

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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It already goes there.

> so the rural areas can get better medical and educational services.
> E.g. Wouldn't it be nice to consult a GP or specialist in Adelaide via HD
> video, etc from Coober Pedy to get any medical help?!

That already happens without FTTP to 93% of houses.

> Also would be good for the alcoholics and bums in Coober Pedy to get some
> tertiary education via NBN facilities?!

That already happens with schools etc without FTTP to 93% of houses.

>>>>> so rather nothing at all is the best option
>>>>> until, if ever it can be done right
>>
>>>> It will be FTTP eventually.
>>
>>> Don't bother in meantime, will be just duplicating costs.
>>
>> That last isnt right.
>>
>>> We are now at a point where little is to be saved by going FTTN.
>>
>> That's wrong too.
>>
>>> In fact it will now be dearer to go down this path which
>>> I know for a fact is near useless for demands of the day.
>>
>> That is complete and utter drivel. DSL works fine.
>>
>>> If the plug needs to be pulled Mr Broadband should do it not bullshit
>>
>> All he can do is bullshit. That's all any politician/legal parasite can
>> ever do.

> Does Tony the Abbot fall into the same category?!

All pollys do, even the failed roman catholic priests.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b00lub...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>>

>>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>> When it�s the only copper around, so they have

>> a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.

> Wonder why the Libs privatised most of Telstra when they want to control
> it.

They didn�t realise that they would want to do that then.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>> That�s not the physical connection, that�s the link behind the DSLAM.

> You mean 24Mbps speed they say the line has, right?

No, the fiber optic out of the exchange into the rest of the country.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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Yep.

> You are bullshitting, aren't you?!

Nope.

> What is it made of?!

Leather.

> Crocodile butt?! ;)

Nope, presumably a bullock's arse.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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Nope.

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:38:40 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Still would like to see a speedtest
>>> www.speedtest.net
>>>
>>> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
>>>>
>>
>>That can't be right. I've managed to get decent voip connection with
>>256K/bit when it was shaped by the ISP.
>>Voip is not a bandwidth hog. And the beauty of it.
>
> Agreed but to see the speedtest picture tells a lot.
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2723623590.png
> You were sayng that you have problem with voip
> I had problems but were fixed when my line was
> --

If my voip problems with iinet was due to line problems, that had everthing
to do with getting Naked DSL from iinet.
Naked DSL line itself was dropping time to time, that was the reason for
their voip not working for the most part.
Then the incoming calls not ringing, outgoing calls not connecting, etc, may
or may not their problem. It could've been my ATA as well.
But, I'm using the same five year old ATA now. Seems to be working fine.

When I dumped them(naked dsl), and switched back to Telstra active landline
DSL, line quality problems were fixed instantly.
So, I have no doubts, iinet Naked DSL back then was absolute crap.
Not sure about it nowadays though, I'm working on it.

Your voip connection problems may have caused by DSL line problems, but it
can't be the bandwidth, rather the line quality, constant drops, line noice,
etc.
I think Rod's explanation must be the reason.

[Petzl]

I'm still sus about Telstra
Same seems to be your case go away drom Telstra instantly no internet
Go gack instantly you have internet?
Most in my suburb have dumped their land line
I hate the phone and phone "service" and the way your number is given
to scammers worldwide.
--

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:31:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>> Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?
>>>
>>> An ATA doesn't even use that.
>
>> Does the port(s) used by an ATA need to be fixed(certain port only)?!
>
>Nope.

Get a copy of TCPView for XP it shows you what ports are used
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/sysinternals/bb897437.aspx
extract to a folder
I don't use a analog telephony adapter (ATA)
VOIP software usually uses port 5060

[keithr]

On 22/05/2013 2:47 PM, Damian wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:avvdcv...@mid.individual.net...
>>

>> I don't bother to wipe clean my wallet, even in the 40 years
>> I have been using the current one that I am retiring today.
>>
>
> Are you saying your wallet is 40 years old?!
> You are bullshitting, aren't you?!
> What is it made of?!
> Crocodile butt?! ;)

He just doesn't open it very often.

[keithr]

Nope, it is the maximum theoretical download rate of an ADSL2+ connection.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3liop8t2h8av40php...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:38:40 +1000, "Damian"
>> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Still would like to see a speedtest
>>>> www.speedtest.net
>>>>
>>>> If your speed is less than 2Mb/s it no good for VOIP and need to speak
>>>>>
>>>
>>>That can't be right. I've managed to get decent voip connection with
>>>256K/bit when it was shaped by the ISP.
>>>Voip is not a bandwidth hog. And the beauty of it.
>>
>> Agreed but to see the speedtest picture tells a lot.
>> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2723623590.png
>> You were sayng that you have problem with voip
>> I had problems but were fixed when my line was
>> --

> If my voip problems with iinet was due to line problems, that had
> everthing to do with getting Naked DSL from iinet.

No, just getting DSL on that phone line from anyone.

> Naked DSL line itself was dropping time to time, that was the reason for
> their voip not working for the most part.
> Then the incoming calls not ringing, outgoing calls not connecting, etc,
> may or may not their problem. It could've been my ATA as well.
> But, I'm using the same five year old ATA now. Seems to be working fine.

But its not necessarily configured the same way as it was then.

> When I dumped them(naked dsl), and switched back to Telstra active
> landline DSL, line quality problems were fixed instantly.

That may just be because you got a different DSLAM port.

> So, I have no doubts, iinet Naked DSL back then was absolute crap.

The data you have does not allow you to say that.

> Not sure about it nowadays though, I'm working on it.

Works fine for almost everyone.

> Your voip connection problems may have caused by DSL line problems,

And that�s what the evidence shows, that the problem
with the voip went away when they fixed the line.

> but it can't be the bandwidth, rather the line quality, constant drops,
> line noice, etc.

> I think Rod's explanation must be the reason.

So do I.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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But don't have a shred of evidence to substantiate that.

> Same seems to be your case go away drom Telstra instantly no internet

Didn't happen to me. I haven't used Telstra more more than a decade
now and have never had a problem with the DSL other than just a few
faults that got fixed in hours.

> Go gack instantly you have internet?

Didn't need to and didn't need to with any of the DSLs I have setup either.

And one of my close neighbours keeps having a hell of a problem with
their Telstra DSL over and over again. They keep using Telstra because
they want one bill for all their phone and net services.

> Most in my suburb have dumped their land line

Just because mobiles can be much better value.

> I hate the phone and phone "service"

Mine has worked fine for 40+ years now
with just a couple of faults in that time.

I keep it because no one does naked DSL here.

> and the way your number is given to scammers worldwide.

Nothing to stop you not even having a phone plugged into the line.

The most recent DSL I did doesn't, because I'm the only
one that ever calls them on their POTS line. Everyone
else calls their mobiles.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:31:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> Always wondered if port 5060 perhaps blocked or tampered with?
>>>>
>>>> An ATA doesn't even use that.
>>
>>> Does the port(s) used by an ATA need to be fixed(certain port only)?!
>>
>>Nope.
>
> Get a copy of TCPView for XP it shows you what ports are used
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/sysinternals/bb897437.aspx

Not by the ATA it doesn't.

> extract to a folder
> I don't use a analog telephony adapter (ATA)

That's half your problem.

> VOIP software usually uses port 5060

And the ATA doesn't.

And the iphone over wifi doesn't either.

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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That time of day effect I was talking about isnt.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I think, by that you meant it doesn't use that port by default. You should
be able to change the port, if you felt it's being used for attacks.

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Good for you. I would stay that way.

> Same seems to be your case go away drom Telstra instantly no internet
> Go gack instantly you have internet?

If you meant, when I went back to active landline from inactive(Naked)
landline, then the answer is yes.

> Most in my suburb have dumped their land line

If you have NBN or decent Naked DSL, then yes, that may be the way to go.
In my case, I'm still sceptical. .

> I hate the phone and phone "service" and the way your number is given
> to scammers worldwide.
> --

You need to get an unlisted and silent number. That's what I have. It's
worth the extra $2.50 a month. silent number is free,
but they charge for unlisted number, which is bullshit, it should be the
other way around.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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There are better deals than Telstra Retail DSL. Their suffering is self
inflicted.

TPG and few other companies offer their own landline(but no fax service).
It's active landline, but no fax service with it.
Do you know why?!

[Damian]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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The other thing is that you don't need to use that landline anyway. Mine is
only for ADSL. It's not plugged into the phone at all.
I got two 'landlines' with Skype and MNF. So, who cares about Tesltra
phone?!
Scammers can ring day and nite, I ain't picking up or hearing it.

[keithr]

It was the answer to the question that you were asked.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Not sure, that was long time ago. SIP and port are the only things usually
need to connect.(other than username and pwd)
I usually don't need to fiddle with most of the other settings.

>> When I dumped them(naked dsl), and switched back to Telstra active
>> landline DSL, line quality problems were fixed instantly.
>
> That may just be because you got a different DSLAM port.
>

That would've been inevitable, wouldn't it?! iinet obviously used their own
DSLAM. When I dumped them, Telstra must have activated my landline with a
their own one.

>> So, I have no doubts, iinet Naked DSL back then was absolute crap.
>
> The data you have does not allow you to say that.
>

Why not?! I had complained like shit back then with no resolution. I also
tried a friend's D-Link router, in additon my 2wire one and Billion.
And my 2wire one hasn't missed a beat since 2007. I also managed to unlock
it's voip, which Telsta pathetically managed to block with an incompetent
web programmer. So, I'm confident my routers weren't that bad and I'm not
that shitty at configuring a router either.

>> Not sure about it nowadays though, I'm working on it.
>
> Works fine for almost everyone.
>
>> Your voip connection problems may have caused by DSL line problems,
>

> And that�s what the evidence shows, that the problem

> with the voip went away when they fixed the line.
>
>> but it can't be the bandwidth, rather the line quality, constant drops,
>> line noice, etc.
>
>> I think Rod's explanation must be the reason.
>
> So do I.

Crap! There are two of you. One is enough trouble here. :))

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knhhrn$6gj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b00lub...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone permanently,
>>>>>>>> rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might be
>>>>>>>> the future in the end
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't be
>>>>>>>>>> any phone connection either.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>> When it�s the only copper around, so they have

>>> a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.
>
>> Wonder why the Libs privatised most of Telstra when they want to control
>> it.
>

> They didn�t realise that they would want to do that then.
>

Yep. A probable mistake my Howard government. Telstra service has improved
since the privatisation though.
Before their customer service and technical support was pretty bad, though
their prices weren't that bad.

[Damian]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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That's a good thing. Rod's neighbours won't be able to cope with it. :))

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Mine's made of a poor Kangaroo's arse, high quality loca product, but
already gone soggy, less than five years.
I'm guessing, it may have to do with sweaty butt.
Yours lasted forty years, that's one heck of an achievement.
Your friggin wallet is older than me!
How old is your butt?!
150?!! ;)

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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The question wasn�t relevant to the point I made about the time of day
effect.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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No, that is not what I meant.

> You should be able to change the port, if you felt it's being used for
> attacks.

It cant be used for attacks.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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Duh.

> Their suffering is self inflicted.

They would get the same result line wise whoever they used.

> TPG and few other companies offer their own landline(but no fax service).
> It's active landline, but no fax service with it.
> Do you know why?!

Because they have their own DSLAMs.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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No. iinet both resells Telstra and has their own
DSLAMs, particularly with their naked service.

> iinet obviously used their own DSLAM.

With a naked service, yes.

> When I dumped them, Telstra must have activated my landline with a their
> own one.

Yes, but that isnt always the case when coming
from an ISP that is just reselling the Telstra service.

In that case it�s the same DSLAM.

>>> So, I have no doubts, iinet Naked DSL back then was absolute crap.

>> The data you have does not allow you to say that.

> Why not?!

You don�t know that it wasn�t just a lousy line that
worked much better with some DSLAMs than others.

> I had complained like shit back then with no resolution.

Doesn�t meant that it�s the naked DSL service that�s crap.

> I also tried a friend's D-Link router, in additon my 2wire one and
> Billion. And my 2wire one hasn't missed a beat since 2007. I also managed
> to unlock it's voip, which Telsta pathetically managed to block with an
> incompetent web programmer. So, I'm confident my routers weren't that bad
> and I'm not that shitty at configuring a router either.

But you don�t know that you didn�t just have
a line fault that iinet's DSLAM didn�t like.

Just like with all technology, not all DSLAMs are identical.

>>> Not sure about it nowadays though, I'm working on it.
>>
>> Works fine for almost everyone.
>>
>>> Your voip connection problems may have caused by DSL line problems,
>>

>> And that�s what the evidence shows, that the problem

>> with the voip went away when they fixed the line.
>>
>>> but it can't be the bandwidth, rather the line quality, constant drops,
>>> line noice, etc.
>>
>>> I think Rod's explanation must be the reason.
>>
>> So do I.

> Crap! There are two of you. One is enough trouble here. :))

Now that you have noticed that, its curtains for you, boy...

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b0330d...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knhhrn$6gj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b00lub...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive material
>>>>>>>>> faxes over the internet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone
>>>>>>>>> permanently, rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might
>>>>>>>>> be the future in the end
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't
>>>>>>>>>>> be any phone connection either.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>>> When it�s the only copper around, so they have

>>>> a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.
>>
>>> Wonder why the Libs privatised most of Telstra when they want to control
>>> it.
>>

>> They didn�t realise that they would want to do that then.

> Yep. A probable mistake my Howard government.

Nope, it never did make any sense for the govt to own Telstra.

> Telstra service has improved since the privatisation though.

Since real competition, actually.

> Before their customer service and technical support was pretty bad, though
> their prices weren't that bad.

The cost of overseas calls, other than local calls and mobiles was obscene.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Probably, quicker and better response to service calls than Telstra.

>> TPG and few other companies offer their own landline(but no fax service).
>> It's active landline, but no fax service with it.
>> Do you know why?!
>
> Because they have their own DSLAMs.
>

I know that. But, why there's no support for fax?!!

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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Just noticed it claims to be glazed kid.

Presumably not a human kid.

> Mine's made of a poor Kangaroo's arse, high quality loca product,

Mine's an Artex

> but already gone soggy, less than five years.

Mine isnt soggy at all, just a bit worn at the fold
and the lining inside the back leather has gone.

The next lining in is perfect tho.

> I'm guessing, it may have to do with sweaty butt.

Very likely. I've never been obese.

> Yours lasted forty years, that's one heck of an achievement.

Dunno.

> Your friggin wallet is older than me!

I was too polite to mention that.

> How old is your butt?!
> 150?!! ;)

Not quite. Likely twice as old as you tho.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> In that case it嚙編 the same DSLAM.

>
>>>> So, I have no doubts, iinet Naked DSL back then was absolute crap.
>
>>> The data you have does not allow you to say that.
>
>> Why not?!
>

> You don嚙緣 know that it wasn嚙緣 just a lousy line that

> worked much better with some DSLAMs than others.
>
>> I had complained like shit back then with no resolution.
>

> Doesn嚙緣 meant that it嚙編 the naked DSL service that嚙編 crap.

>
>> I also tried a friend's D-Link router, in additon my 2wire one and
>> Billion. And my 2wire one hasn't missed a beat since 2007. I also managed
>> to unlock it's voip, which Telsta pathetically managed to block with an
>> incompetent web programmer. So, I'm confident my routers weren't that bad
>> and I'm not that shitty at configuring a router either.
>

> But you don嚙緣 know that you didn嚙緣 just have
> a line fault that iinet's DSLAM didn嚙緣 like.
>

That's right. How could I?!

> Just like with all technology, not all DSLAMs are identical.
>

Shouldn't I have the right to say as a consumer, that's their problem?!
I was paying the bastards to provide an acceptable service. Their job
should've been to chase up the problem, instead of taking me round and round
in circles with router settings, checking filters and kindergarten shit like
that.
If I didn't mis-interpret the CSG, I would've kicked their arse(or may be
not, too busy to do that)

>>>> Not sure about it nowadays though, I'm working on it.
>>>
>>> Works fine for almost everyone.
>>>
>>>> Your voip connection problems may have caused by DSL line problems,
>>>

>>> And that嚙編 what the evidence shows, that the problem

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:kni3q3$jpq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b0330d...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:knhhrn$6gj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b00lub...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:knepje$e56$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:avve2o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:knd8ra$b0j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:avuclm...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anybody outthere with Naked DSL connections and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints?!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically you need a voip service to go with it.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> No you don�t, you can use a mobile instead.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but that doesn't serve the purpose of saving money on
>>>>>>>>>> internet+landline, does it?
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Corse it does when you don�t have to pay for a POTS
>>>>>>>>> service that you don�t ever use because you use your

>>>>>>>>> mobile for calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Usually VOIP is cheaper than mobile phone calls!
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That�s just plain wrong. Most use capped mobile plans

>>>>>>>>> now so those calls are quite literally free and with the

>>>>>>>>> best of the capped mobile plans, you don�t pay any

>>>>>>>>> more than you would have paid for the POTS line rent,
>>>>>>>>> and that does not include any free calls at all at the
>>>>>>>>> best prices you can get capped mobile plans for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If that's not the case, please forward me that mobile deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aldi, Kogan, TPG, Amaysim, Dodo, etc etc etc.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of people don�t use the POTS service that comes
>>>>>>>>>>> with their non naked DSL now, don�t even bother to

>>>>>>>>>>> plug a phone into it, and just use their mobiles instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't work for me when I use the landline for fax, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its completely stupid to be farting around with fax anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know , I can use a web fax service. But, I couldn't find a dirt
>>>>>>>>>> cheap one yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you need to get out more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most of them, want subscription fee like $10 or $20 a month,
>>>>>>>>>> regardless of whether I send faxes or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of them is completely irrelevant, what matters is the best of
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I'm also worried about security of sending sensitive
>>>>>>>>>> material faxes over the internet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then get a clue and do that with encrypted email instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, overall, it doesn't help with cutting the costs down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No point for me getting Naked DSL, if it costs more than active
>>>>>>>>>> landline DSL+landline.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It doesn�t.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My current Telstra landline isn't plugged into a phone
>>>>>>>>>> permanently, rather to a fax machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dinosaur stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For landline calls, I use Skype and MNF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The reason, I'm considering Naked DSL is that I thought it might
>>>>>>>>>> be the future in the end
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and also would love to dump Telstra.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You don�t have to have anything to do with Telstra
>>>>>>>>> even if you don�t have a naked DSL service.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And of course, I would like to save few dollars as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You'll save heaps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if the connection is unstable and drops, then there won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be any phone connection either.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but that doesn�t happen often enough to matter for most.

>>>>> When it�s the only copper around, so they have

>>>>> a monopoly on that, that isnt even possible.
>>>
>>>> Wonder why the Libs privatised most of Telstra when they want to
>>>> control it.
>>>

>>> They didn�t realise that they would want to do that then.

>
>> Yep. A probable mistake my Howard government.
>
> Nope, it never did make any sense for the govt to own Telstra.
>

Not sure about that. Thye've been putting the line rental up when ever they
felt like it.
As a publicly owned monopoly corporation it would've not been easy.
As a privately owned monopoly corporation it does whatever their main
stakeholders demand from it.

>> Telstra service has improved since the privatisation though.
>
> Since real competition, actually.
>
>> Before their customer service and technical support was pretty bad,
>> though their prices weren't that bad.
>
> The cost of overseas calls, other than local calls and mobiles was
> obscene.
>

Yes, since it was pre-voip era, but we had all kind of calling cards back
then for overseas phone calls.
I don't think anybody used Telstra phone for overseas calls back then,
unless it's an emergency.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Mind is a HAMAG. Apparently a reputable Aussie brand from Melbourne.
Here is it. It's a the green one, I paid around $70, now they are selling it
for $50.

http://www.hamag.com.au/kangaroo-leather-products.html

Mine is the green one. I think the reason it's bit worn now 'cos I'm wearing
it on back pocket.
Friction damage on jeans I guess.

If you are a patriot, by from them.

>> but already gone soggy, less than five years.
>
> Mine isnt soggy at all, just a bit worn at the fold
> and the lining inside the back leather has gone.
>
> The next lining in is perfect tho.
>
>> I'm guessing, it may have to do with sweaty butt.
>
> Very likely. I've never been obese.
>

Not a fat arse, at least not yet. Just sweaty arsed. But, you don't wanna
know all these details, do you?! :-))

>> Yours lasted forty years, that's one heck of an achievement.
>
> Dunno.
>
>> Your friggin wallet is older than me!
>
> I was too polite to mention that.
>

Yeah, I gathered that.

>> How old is your butt?!
>> 150?!! ;)
>
> Not quite. Likely twice as old as you tho.
>

How on earth did you get into computers?!! I know fellas from your
generation, most still use only two fingers to type and stares at the
computer screen like it's another parallel universe.. ;-)