Internet choice adsl or adsl2
Rob
ADSL1 1500
ADSL2 will only run at 2000 in this area.
So each have about the same speed.
So the choice - is there any difference between each?
What reason should one have over the other for it to be better?
z1
Have you thought about asking your ISP?
In the meantime let's do some thinking for you.
If download interests you then the technical limits are 1500/8 and 2000/8.
The other difference might be cost. From what I have seen ADSL2 can be
cheaper.
Looking into the future, ADSL2 can likely become the standard, so go
with the future.
If it's such an issue for you then maybe a stint on dialup will help
clear your mind :)
Rob
The dialup speeds come with the shaped monthly plans. Its a BIG step
down even from 256 to 6 even to downloading email text :)
About the same cost per month with download quota etc.
Telstra are now offering 1500 ADSL1 at a reasonable rate. Why??????
And not pushing ADSL2.
Is ADSL more reliable than ADSL2?
z1
checkout Netspace
and give www.whirlpool.net.au a look.
you mean telstra comes at a reasonable price? since when?
Rod Speed
Because they have the hardware in place.
> And not pushing ADSL2.
That is just plain wrong.
> Is ADSL more reliable than ADSL2?
Nope.
Ray
news:hjld4n$uc8$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> z1 wrote:
>
> The dialup speeds come with the shaped monthly plans. Its a BIG step
> down even from 256 to 6 even to downloading email text :)
>
>
Huh, most shape to around 64kbits/s
Yeah 6KB/s is your typical download rate when shaped, but you don't get 256
KB/s at full speed, more like 24 KB/s.
Marts
> I have a choice of ADSL1 or ADSL2 connection
> What reason should one have over the other for it to be better?
Depends on the provider. Firstly, DSL2 has a higher upload speed. Dunno if that
really matters. Second, if the ISP has its own DSLAMs in the exchange then its
DSL2 service may be cheaper than what its DSL1 service is. This is because DSL1
usually comes via Telstra which tends to charge ISPs a premium for reselling its
services.
z1
you are not getting confused between bits and bytes?
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/bytes.htm
a 256 connection nominally allows for a 32Kb/sec download.
so my 1500 amounts to a 187 Kb/sec - the best I have seen was around 160
kb/sec
Rob
check their new plans 1500//$45 12GB DL
Rob
In a phone conversation the other night was offered 1500 ADSL for $45
12Gb DL then shaped.
>> Is ADSL more reliable than ADSL2?
>
> Nope.
Thats what I wanted to know.
>
>
Rob
I mixed it up in the first place and should have said 25kb (256) back to
6kb (64)
r
annily
Don't forget about protocol overheads. 1500 kbps is equivalent to 187
kB/s of transmitted data, but after stripping protocol bits, the net
download throughput will be more like 160 kB/s, as you have seen.
--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which may or may not influence my opinions.
terryc
If you want the MORE reliable copper voice service, then adsl1 and stick
with Telstra for voice. Removes any chance of being caught in a Telstra
Vs ???barney ove who has to do what before it is fixed.
Otherwise, go to broadbandchoice.com.au, enter your phone number and
compare available plans.
terryc
> In a phone conversation the other night was offered 1500 ADSL for $45
> 12Gb DL then shaped.
What counts?
Downloads only or includes uploads?
Exetel will offer you 60GB in off peak downloads on top of that
(mentioned simply to remind you to go to broadbandchoice.com.au and
compare plans)
>
>
>>> Is ADSL more reliable than ADSL2?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>
> Thats what I wanted to know.
OTOH, exactly what will still work when the power goes out? standard phone?
Rod Speed
>>>>> ADSL1 1500
>>> And not pushing ADSL2.
Trouble with that is the cost of the phone service you have to have to get that.
Rob
> Rob wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Rob wrote
>>>> z1 wrote
>>>>> Rob wrote
>
>> In a phone conversation the other night was offered 1500 ADSL for $45 12Gb DL then shaped.
>
> Trouble with that is the cost of the phone service you have to have to get that.
>
Have been with Telstra phone services for years - seen others who have
changed come and go to different providors most have alway had problems
somewhere along the line.
Rod Speed
I've never had the slightest problem with mine, and that includes line faults too.
The only advantage I have seen with having the line with Telstra is that if
you do get a line fault that prevents people from calling you, they will divert
to your mobile for free and that doesnt have to be a Telstra mobile either.
Its just not worth the much higher phone service cost to get that
since it happens so rarely, like once in 10 years at most in my case.
annily
Yes, assuming the exchange still has power. Any ADSL won't work unless
you have backup power (e.g. UPS) for the modem and PC.
Marts
> Have been with Telstra phone services for years - seen others who have
> changed come and go to different providors most have alway had problems
> somewhere along the line.
Remember, you don't need to have a high end plan with Telstra in order to get a
decent ISP service.
I suggest that you consider signing up with Telstra's Homeline Budget plan.
You'll save about 10 bux a month on line rental. But you'll pay more for calls.
In the meantime now that you're on the HLB plan, sign up with an ISP that can
give you DSL2+ off its own equipment if your local exchange is enabled for it.
Otherwise, hunt down the cheapest or best value ISP that you can sign up with.
Then, once you've done this, subscribe to Whirlpool. Then search for Mynetfone
and Whirlpool deals. You can get some pretty good VOIP deals if you're a WP
member.
If you go with a Telstra all-in-one plan it's guaranteed that you'll pay a fair
bit more for a package of phone and internet services.
But in the meantime, as others have suggested, http://bc.whirlpool.net.au will
help you out heaps.
Marts
> In a phone conversation the other night was offered 1500 ADSL for $45
> 12Gb DL then shaped.
Do not take what a sales droid over the phone tells you as gospel.
If you're going to sign up for anything get it in writing first.
If you check out Whirlpool there can be many stories of people signing up to an
ISP on the promise of this or that deal that isn't on the website. Then when the
first bill comes in you find that you don't have said deal...
And a call to the ISP in question elicits only denials that any such offer was
made.
Rod Speed
> Rob wrote
>> In a phone conversation the other night was offered 1500 ADSL for $45 12Gb DL then shaped.
> Do not take what a sales droid over the phone tells you as gospel.
Telstra's sales apes dont lie. And they do offer better than the telstra web site.
> If you're going to sign up for anything get it in writing first.
You dont need it in writing, just record the call and if they
try to charge you more, just play them the recording.
> If you check out Whirlpool there can be many stories of people signing
> up to an ISP on the promise of this or that deal that isn't on the website.
> Then when the first bill comes in you find that you don't have said deal...
If Telstra fucks up, you can force them to charge you what the sales ape offered.
> And a call to the ISP in question elicits only denials that any such offer was made.
They cant deny your recording, particularly when you get the ape's ID or phone number etc.
Ray
news:17WdnfhSdf8ZM8PW...@netspace.net.au:
Not confused at all, but the OP was. I suggest you re-read what I said.
I always find the old estimate for async serial data throughput of 10
bits/byte sent (1 start, 1 stop bit) still works well for IP traffic,
much easier than figuring the packet filling rate and header sizes.
So divide your 256 kbps link by 10, and that gives you a pretty damn
good approximation of 26KB/s
Also note that bits are 'b' and Bytes are 'B' when abbreviated....
terryc
> Yes, assuming the exchange still has power.
Exchanges have batteries and AFAIK generators for longer outages. They
were deemed essential infrastructure.
Ther advantage with ADSL1 is so long as you have the right hand set, the
telephone will contine working. A very important consideration for some
people.
> Any ADSL won't work unless
> you have backup power (e.g. UPS) for the modem and PC.
UPS's are designed to gently shutdown critical computer systems. If you
want long run time when the mains is down, get a generator. Frankly, if
this is an issue, most people would be better off with a laptop,
backuped by an inverter and a deep discharge battery. UPS are great
beasts and typically fail when you need them as they are not regularly
tested.
terryc
> Have been with Telstra phone services for years - seen others who have
> changed come and go to different providors most have alway had problems
> somewhere along the line.
And depending on your exchange, you can add ADSl1 service from any
provider there. I'd never use Telstra as the ISP.
Rob
Telstra sales promise you the world, its all the others there, that
stuff up :)
Gregory Shearman
My UPS gets tested regularly. You should live where I'm living. Every
thunderstorm that hits us brings the power down. The software that runs
my UPS can also do some diagnostics.
It's an Eaton PowerWare 700VA on its second battery. It also gave me
plenty of warning when the battery was failing.
The UPS can keep my internet connection up and running (router,time
server and ADSL modem) for as long as my laptop battery lasts.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
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