NBN is no fun

[DBR]

Hi all
I have been having fun for about 4 Mouths with an NBN fttn conection/
transfer from adsl. Thought I would put it out to the public for any one
else moving over .

1st NBN will not support my complex service. This leaves me loosing 1
of my numbers or porting them for $200 extra to the new provider. I
agree to pay the porting fee and Telstra refuse to release the numbers

Quick complaint to the ombudsman and suddenly telstra say I can keep
both my numbers if I stay with them. I will not ever use telstra again
as everything I have asked for (including paper billing) has gone wrong.

When I tell them that I will be moving to IInet they decide they can not
port my numbers.

I then manage to port the numbers to an online VOIP/PBX provider and
book the NBN connection for the day after the porting. I could not do
it on the same day and keep my numbers. Telstra disconnect the service
and give me a new 24 mouth contract for a naked adsl service. Due to the
disconnection the NBN connection fails to proceed.

New nbn connection booked and connected yesterday, About 3 weeks after
disconnection. Telstra told that I will not be paying for the naked adsl
connection that was unusable and not ordered by me.

Telstra delete my account, Fair enough and remove charges for the non
existent connection.

Today NBN new connection falls over on the nbn side, No connection, Not
even any line voltage, Connection in the telstra box on the side of the
house is ok so the problem must be in the street or node.

I liked my adsl conection with a real phone that just worked, Progress
is Grand!

[Rod Speed]

"DBR" <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote in message
news:4Qh2D.212530$oR2.1...@fx25.iad...

> Hi all
> I have been having fun for about 4 Mouths with an NBN fttn conection/
> transfer from adsl. Thought I would put it out to the public for any one
> else moving over .
>
> 1st NBN will not support my complex service. This leaves me loosing 1 of
> my numbers or porting them for $200 extra to the new provider. I agree to
> pay the porting fee and Telstra refuse to release the numbers
>
> Quick complaint to the ombudsman and suddenly telstra say I can keep both
> my numbers if I stay with them. I will not ever use telstra again as
> everything I have asked for (including paper billing) has gone wrong.
>
> When I tell them that I will be moving to IInet they decide they can not
> port my numbers.
>
> I then manage to port the numbers to an online VOIP/PBX provider and book
> the NBN connection for the day after the porting. I could not do it on
> the same day and keep my numbers. Telstra disconnect the service and give
> me a new 24 mouth contract for a naked adsl service. Due to the
> disconnection the NBN connection fails to proceed.
>
> New nbn connection booked and connected yesterday, About 3 weeks after
> disconnection. Telstra told that I will not be paying for the naked adsl
> connection that was unusable and not ordered by me.
>
> Telstra delete my account, Fair enough and remove charges for the non
> existent connection.

> Today NBN new connection falls over on the nbn side, No connection, Not
> even any line voltage,

There is no line voltage with a fttn service.

> Connection in the telstra box on the side of the house is ok so the
> problem must be in the street or node.

> I liked my adsl conection with a real phone that just worked

Fttn works a hell of a lot better.

> Progress is Grand!

It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.

[DBR]

Lots of people struggling with a less reliable service around here. And
a lot of people lost there adsl and had it replaced with a mobile
service. Seems they are now too far from a node to connect. How is that
better than adsl.

A lot of providers now have you wave your quality of service rights if
you want a connection as they can not guaranty the network reliability.
How is that better?

Speed is not everything!

[Niska Hubot]

Rod Speed wrote:
>
> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
> 114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.

Well you're fucken lucky. My sister got FTTN at last this year.
She signed up for NBN25, but only gets 9 Mbps tops. After months
of failing to remediate this, the RSP agreed to downgrade her to
NBN12 without penalty.
Now looks like she will be truly shafted later this year:

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-digs-in-on-12mbps-class-war-490691

[news18]

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:12:50 +0930, DBR wrote:


> I then manage to port the numbers to an online VOIP/PBX provider

Who? We still have a Telstra line to keep our old number because Telstra
told us we couldn't port. situation varies as we have FTTH and one of the
early transfer, so things might have changed now and it might be worth
out while moving to anyone just to give the finger to Telstra.

[news18]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:39:39 +0800, Niska Hubot wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to 114/44 with fttn
>> and it cost me 10% less per month.

Rule One; ignore the rodbot.

>
> Well you're fucken lucky. My sister got FTTN at last this year.
> She signed up for NBN25, but only gets 9 Mbps tops. After months of
> failing to remediate this, the RSP agreed to downgrade her to NBN12
> without penalty.

who is she with? those plans sound like Exetel.

> Now looks like she will be truly shafted later this year:
>
> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-digs-in-on-12mbps-class-war-490691

Same boat. We have absolute no need of a greater speed.

[DBR]

https://www.voipline.net.au/

You can send any call to any phone number you like. You can even ring
several phones from 1 in cumming call, all ring or in sequence. It will
cost a at least $7 per month + time charged outgoing calls if you ring
out on there line ( I don't) with the basic plan

You can choose what number is displayed for your out going calls to.

[Petzl]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:58:01 -0000 (UTC), news18 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

You have streaming TV?
I watch overseas channels while watching and downloading on my Telstra
connection never possible before also use skype
--
Petzl
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Voting Labor or "Greens" because you hate the Coalition is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

[SG1]

"DBR" <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote in message

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Fixed wireless with iprimus no probs with keeping old Helstra number,
they just charged me $8 to keep it. Now have 2 lines with same number,
2 ports on modem so I can make a call when SWMBO is on her calls.
Works for me.

[Max]

On 15/07/2018 1:31 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:58:01 -0000 (UTC), news18 <new...@woa.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:39:39 +0800, Niska Hubot wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to 114/44 with fttn
>>>> and it cost me 10% less per month.
>>
>> Rule One; ignore the rodbot.
>>>
>>> Well you're fucken lucky. My sister got FTTN at last this year.
>>> She signed up for NBN25, but only gets 9 Mbps tops. After months of
>>> failing to remediate this, the RSP agreed to downgrade her to NBN12
>>> without penalty.
>>
>> who is she with? those plans sound like Exetel.
>>
>>> Now looks like she will be truly shafted later this year:
>>>
>>> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-digs-in-on-12mbps-class-war-490691
>>
>> Same boat. We have absolute no need of a greater speed.
>
> You have streaming TV?
> I watch overseas channels while watching and downloading on my Telstra
> connection never possible before also use skype
>

What overseas channels are you able to get? What service do you use?

[Petzl]

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--
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Great lawyers know the judge

[Rod Speed]

"DBR" <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote in message

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Don’t believe that.

> And a lot of people lost there adsl and had it replaced with a mobile
> service. Seems they are now too far from a node to connect.

That’s bullshit, never happens. They are guaranteed a
12/1 service during coexistence and 25/5 when its over.

> How is that better than adsl.

4G mobile leaves adsl for dead.

> A lot of providers now have you wave your quality of service rights if you
> want a connection as they can not guaranty the network reliability.

No, because they don’t want to pay the penalty if
it isnt fixed quickly enough if someone digs it up.

> Speed is not everything!

Sure, but my fttn is just as reliable as the adsl service was.

>>> Progress is Grand!

>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
>> 114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.

And one that that was hopeless for video
uploads to one that works fine for that now.

[Rod Speed]

Niska Hubot <nos...@bitbucket.net> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
>> 114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.

> Well you're fucken lucky. My sister got FTTN at last this year.
> She signed up for NBN25, but only gets 9 Mbps tops.

Measured how ? You have to measure it with a wired
connection, not over wifi and it’s the modem synch
rate that matters not the speedtest result.

> After months of failing to remediate this, the RSP agreed to downgrade her
> to NBN12 without penalty.

She's only guaranteed 12/1 in the coexistence period.

> Now looks like she will be truly shafted later this year:

Nope. And even if that does happen, that
was the price of the adsl service anyway.

> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-digs-in-on-12mbps-class-war-490691

[DBR]

The roll out was stopped half way through in the district due to
technical issues. It is now being completed but the total bandwidth into
the aria is less than demand. I have a 50 connection but during peak
times there is no Garientee I can even make a phone call

>
>> And a lot of people lost there adsl and had it replaced with a mobile
>> service. Seems they are now too far from a node to connect.
>
> That’s bullshit, never happens. They are guaranteed a
> 12/1 service during coexistence and 25/5 when its over.

This district is hilly and semi rural.If they decide it is not worth
running the new system as there is not enough people on the line you
miss out. Not every one has line of site to a tower so 4g is an
expensive and at times slow replacement for ADSL

>
>> How is that better than adsl.
>
> 4G mobile leaves adsl for dead.
>
>> A lot of providers now have you wave your quality of service rights if
>> you want a connection as they can not guaranty the network reliability.
>
> No, because they don’t want to pay the penalty if
> it isnt fixed quickly enough if someone digs it up.

Or power failure, Or peak times overloading or just the dad teck we seem
to have ended up with here.

>
>> Speed is not everything!
>
> Sure, but my fttn is just as reliable as the adsl service was.

Lucky you.

>
>>>> Progress is Grand!
>
>>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
>>> 114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.
>
> And one that that was hopeless for video
> uploads to one that works fine for that now.

I do not use pay tv over the system, Streaming small clips worked well
before

[news18]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:56:57 +0930, DBR wrote:


> https://www.voipline.net.au/
>
> You can send any call to any phone number you like. You can even ring
> several phones from 1 in cumming call, all ring or in sequence. It will
> cost a at least $7 per month + time charged outgoing calls if you ring
> out on there line ( I don't) with the basic plan
>
> You can choose what number is displayed for your out going calls to.

Thanks.

[Rod Speed]

"DBR" <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote in message

news:c5O2D.202494$z83.1...@fx19.iad...

Don’t believe that either with fttn.

> It is now being completed but the total bandwidth into the aria is less
> than demand.

Bullshit.

> I have a 50 connection but during peak times there is no Garientee I can
> even make a phone call

That has nothing to do with NBNco, that’s the amount
of CVC the RSP has chosen to purchase in your POI.

Change to Aussie Broadband and that problem will go away.

>>> And a lot of people lost there adsl and had it replaced with a mobile
>>> service. Seems they are now too far from a node to connect.

>> That’s bullshit, never happens. They are guaranteed a
>> 12/1 service during coexistence and 25/5 when its over.

> This district is hilly and semi rural.If they decide it is not worth
> running the new system as there is not enough people on the line you miss
> out.

Fttn doesn’t work like that.

> Not every one has line of site to a tower so 4g

Don’t need to for 4G to work well. I don’t have line
of site to a tower either and my 4G works fine.

> is an expensive

Not anymore.

> and at times slow replacement for ADSL

Bullshit.

>>> How is that better than adsl.

>> 4G mobile leaves adsl for dead.

>>> A lot of providers now have you wave your quality of service rights if
>>> you want a connection as they can not guaranty the network reliability.

>> No, because they don’t want to pay the penalty if
>> it isnt fixed quickly enough if someone digs it up.

> Or power failure,

There is no legal obligation on the RSP with power failures.

> Or peak times overloading

That has nothing to do with the QoS rights.

> or just the dad teck we seem to have ended up with here.

You've actually chosen the wrong
RSP, nothing to do with dud tech.

>>> Speed is not everything!

>> Sure, but my fttn is just as reliable as the adsl service was.

> Lucky you.

Taint luck, that’s what most get with fttn.

>>>>> Progress is Grand!

>>>> It is indeed. I went from an 8/1 service with adsl to
>>>> 114/44 with fttn and it cost me 10% less per month.

>> And one that that was hopeless for video
>> uploads to one that works fine for that now.

> I do not use pay tv over the system,

I wasn’t talking about pay TV, I was talking about
uploading the video you have made yourself.

> Streaming small clips worked well before

And would work just as well as adsl if you
had enough of a clue to use the right RSP.

[FMurtz]

When they put cost up to $69.99 did they leave you at the same speed?

[Rod Speed]

"FMurtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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They did for a while. But then told me that I have the choice
of 50/20 or 100/40 at the new prices and new detail on calls
to landlines for free. I chose to use the default 50/20

I've become pretty pissed off with their rather mindless
fault fixing. We recently had a fault back in the POI,
allegedly a fiber optic cable problem. That produced
dramatically slower download speed, right down into the
single digits and that was true 24/7, not just in peak times.

I told them that both me and my mate who is on the other
side of the town were getting the same result, so it couldn’t
be a problem with my system, but they insisted on going
thru the entire rigmarole of resetting the router to factory
defaults and all that shit anyway. Then Optus Wholesale
insisted that there was no problem in the POI and that
the problem must be at our end and MR was too fucked
to tell Optus that that can't possibly be right with two
of their customers on that POI getting the same result.

After a week of this shit, I finally asked others on the
local facebook notice board group if anyone else
using MR was seeing the same result and got everyone
who was using MR saying they were getting the same
result. Total of 5 MR customers in my town with the
same result. MR told Optus that and they did then
get a fucking clue and worked out where the fault
was and fixed it.

They gave me a free month due to that fuckup when I
rubbed a team leader's nose in how stupid they had been.

Aussie Broadband would be the same price if I don’t want
unlimited 50/20 and not all that much more with unlimited
50/20 but I would also have to add a vpn for the torrents.
I don’t bother given that MR does CGNAT. And since I was
on the free month, havent actually moved yet. But another
fault fuckup like that will see me decide that enough is enough.

They have moved their call center to the Philippines too.
We do now usually get calls answered quite quickly, but
they arent that great to deal with.

[FMurtz]

I was getting 40 odd before the increase and am still getting that at
$69.99 Am not sure what tier that means I was on, (originally highest
possible unlimited)
Will get cheezed off if they reduce speed

[Rod Speed]

FMurtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> FMurtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> DBR <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> DBR <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote

Whets that number, the modem synch rate or a speedtest result ?

> before the increase and am still getting that at $69.99 Am not sure what
> tier that means I was on,

50/20

> (originally highest possible unlimited)

Yes, 100/40, that’s all there was originally.

> Will get cheezed off if they reduce speed

They have, but since you are only getting 40, you don’t see any reduction.

[DBR]

Live in the district do you? I know several people that have go from
ADSL to a more expensive (Per meg) 4G as fttn never made it out as far
as there location.

Looks like your experience of the NBN system is a little less complete
than you seem to think

Keep swearing and disagreeing with what is going on with the roll out
It may make you feel like a big man

The rest of us will just have to deal with the facts

[FMurtz]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7474511658
And the same from my republic speed test.

[Rod Speed]

"DBR" <dr...@adam.com.au> wrote in message

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Don’t need to, I know how fttn is done.

> I know several people that have go from ADSL to a more expensive (Per meg)
> 4G as fttn never made it out as far as there location.

Never said 4G was cheaper.

> Looks like your experience of the NBN system is a little less complete
> than you seem to think

Then you need new glasses, BAD. Have a look at
the hordes I have helped on whirlpool sometime.

> The rest of us will just have to deal with the facts

You wouldn’t know what a real fact was if it bit you on your lard arse.

[Max]

Is it possible to cast this to your TV?

[Petzl]

You use a android box which conects to your WiFi and HDMI port of your
TV. I also have 2x@ tetrabite segate USB's conected to it for movie
storage
You need to download Vmax get a Mac IP address to logon
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https://is.gd/f8hbtG

[Lucifer Morningstar]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:04:09 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:25:54 +1000, Max <m...@val.morgan> wrote:

>>Is it possible to cast this to your TV?
>
>You use a android box which conects to your WiFi and HDMI port of your
>TV. I also have 2x@ tetrabite segate USB's conected to it for movie

>storage.

Do you mean 2x2 terabyte Seagate USB hardrives?
The Enterprise has multi gigaquad tape drives.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 20:47:02 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar <n...@for.mail>

wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:04:09 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:25:54 +1000, Max <m...@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>>>Is it possible to cast this to your TV?
>>
>>You use a android box which conects to your WiFi and HDMI port of your
>>TV. I also have 2x@ tetrabite segate USB's conected to it for movie
>>storage.
>
>Do you mean 2x2 terabyte Seagate USB hardrives?

yes bought on ebay transfer rates are best I've got 40MB/s

>The Enterprise has multi gigaquad tape drives.

Tapes are still the norm for back-up's

[Niska Hubot]

Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Measured how ? You have to measure it with a wired
> connection, not over wifi and it’s the modem synch
> rate that matters not the speedtest result.
>

Yes, that is the sync speed reported by modem status,
mister Patronising.

[Rod Speed]

Niska Hubot <nos...@bitbucket.net> wrote

Nothing patronising about being clear what speed you are talking about,
fuckwit.

[Max]

Is there a way to time shift so that you're watching UK TV at the right
time of the day?

[Petzl]

you can record programs if you have a recorder capable of doing this?
If your Internet provider has sent you a video streaming box you can
try installing VMax on that first
https://is.gd/YUCq1x
--
Petzl
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they wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain