Melbourne hacking documentary
Max Phibbs
'80's (I had taped it from a few months back when it was shown).
Very VERY interesting stuff. I had no idea Melbourne was a hive of computer
hacking activities back then.
I'd now like to read some more about it. Can someone point me to where I
can find more info?
The doco refused to identify who Phoenix and Electron really are but surely
it must be common knowledge by now. Anybody know?
thanks
Max
David Bromage
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Max Phibbs wrote:
>>The doco refused to identify who Phoenix and Electron really are but
surely
>>it must be common knowledge by now. Anybody know?
>
> Suelette Dreyfus, apparently was his then-wife.
Wrong. Proff ran the BBS that Phoenix and Electron frequented. Suelette
Dreyfus wrote the book on which the doco was based.
Cheers
David
Chris Baird
> where I can find more info?
http://www.underground-book.com/ . However, you'll soon discover that
the documentary _seriously_ panders to the mainstream's expectations
of 1980s-era 'hackers'...
"Electron" was entirely an Apple][e/Amiga500 user-- and certainly
wasn't using a CBM64 throught the entire saga, he had a sister who was
deleted from the doco so as to not interfere with the "Lone Wolf and
Dad" thread, and Dreyfus also often referred to incidents as if she
were witness to the events directly (the DECNET "WANK" worm), when
really, she only learnt of them third-hand through her ex-husband
Julian Assange, formerly of "The Realm BBS" where these crackers were
based.
--
Chris,,
Rod Speed
Max Phibbs <r0wy...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:9efce1c2f2f58cbc...@free.teranews.com...
> I watched that ABC documentary about the Melbourne hacking scene
> in the '80's (I had taped it from a few months back when it was shown).
> Very VERY interesting stuff.
Trouble was that bullshit was knee deep.
> I had no idea Melbourne was a hive of
> computer hacking activities back then.
> I'd now like to read some more about it. Can
> someone point me to where I can find more info?
Use google.
> The doco refused to identify who Phoenix and Electron
> really are but surely it must be common knowledge by now.
Yep. They both got charged and convicted.
> Anybody know?
windsok
I read it recently and found it very interesting.
Cheers.
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windsok
not what i wrote before..
cheers.
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Chris Baird
>>> but surely it must be common knowledge by now. Anybody know?
I guess you could use court records, and news reports from the time
would've mentioned their names.
>> Amateurs...
Ahh...the very early days of AARNet, when enough systems out there let
you ftp their /etc/passwd files...
>> I'm told that Phoenix was one Julian "Proff" Assange; the
>> journalist, Suelette Dreyfus, apparently was his then-wife.
> Wrong. Proff ran the BBS that Phoenix and Electron frequented.
From reading the book, I though proff was "Mendax"-- the mention of
being married at 16, kooky wannabe-writer wife w/ child trashing the
place, etc.
--
Chris,,
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and his mates BBS Pacific Island.
Also ask him about the day the federal police visited his home. Apparently
he was busy kicking pirated disks under his bed as they looked though his
BBS. Back then they didnt really know what they were doing and found
nothing. Lucky for him.
On the other hand Pacific Island was confenscated by the feds for running a
hacking area. Some think "Taxi Cab" dobbed them in when he was not
permitted access to the hacking area. Taxi Cab was the whipping boy at the
time.
There are also a bunch of interesting text files put together by the people
involved called Anarkistic Tendancies (spell). They came out once a month
like a news letter. They were mostly funny, but also contained a lot of
history about who did why where and why. I dont know if they are still
avaliable anywhere, you'll need to find an old bbs oporator from back then
with good archives.
those were the days of pink floyed, pizza, and austpac dialout accounts.
Definantly ask Stephen Paddon about those.
oh and who were I back then... Not telling.....
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EnjoyDialup
I don't beleave it. i found them on the internet!!! WOW!
Enjoy the reading and remember to read between the lines for the real story.
Or perhaps that only works if you were there!
alo
> http://www.underground-book.com/ . However, you'll soon discover that
> the documentary _seriously_ panders to the mainstream's expectations
> of 1980s-era 'hackers'...
How accurate is the book compared to the documentary/reality?
Cheers,
Adam.
Andrew Mitchell
(I know where Lance Link got his Trailblazer!)
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David Bromage
> (I know where Lance Link got his Trailblazer!)
You just made me remember Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp. How dare you!
Cheers
David
Andrew Mitchell
Apparently he's seeing a Japanese girl now.
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windsok
Cheers.
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David Bromage
> Yup.. Funny guy.
I was referring to the TV series from 1970.
Cheers
David
Andrew Mitchell
Melbourne! Oops.
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mathewm
>>>> The doco refused to identify who Phoenix and Electron really are
>>>> but surely it must be common knowledge by now. Anybody know?
>
> I guess you could use court records, and news reports from the time
> would've mentioned their names.
>
>>> Amateurs...
>
> Ahh...the very early days of AARNet, when enough systems out there let
> you ftp their /etc/passwd files...
There was no need for that, when the VAXes had default passwords on the
SYSTEM and DECNET accounts, among others.
mathewm
She sounded a bit like a generally-ignorant-of-anything-technical
journo on TV.
Zed Strange
wrote:
>http://library.succurit.com/e-zines/anarchistic-tendencies/
>
>I don't beleave it. i found them on the internet!!! WOW!
>
>Enjoy the reading and remember to read between the lines for the real story.
>Or perhaps that only works if you were there!
Nice reading, thanks. Kinda reminds me of the "Anarchists Cookbook"
and the "Jolly Roger" that did the rounds of all the BBS's pre-www.
EnjoyDialup
have a copy of "the quote file" which was a work of art!
I lost my copy which is a dam shame because it was very funny. Although it
should have been known as the "missquote file"
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a kiddy back then.. hehehe
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guy, but always stoned. I lost touch with him years ago unfortunantly.
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Chris Baird
I've known people in their their 70s to pick up an axe and throw it
with great accuracy, so no, I'd advise against confessing lest one of
the retired system administrators learn of your misdeeds. ("IT WAS
YOUUUUUUU!")
--
Chris,,
mathewm
They were good reads.
Terrian
"EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> wrote in message
> Does anyone remember Dror Howley (spel) the stoned sysop?? He was a great
> guy, but always stoned. I lost touch with him years ago unfortunantly.
ran an amiga bbs, didn't he ?
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cya later
Terrian
EnjoyDialup
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yep. didnt knwo how to set it up, so he bought one complete.
Terrian
> > news:3ef25de7$0$9355$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > Does anyone remember Dror Howley (spel) the stoned sysop?? He was a
> great
> > > guy, but always stoned. I lost touch with him years ago
unfortunantly.
> >
> > ran an amiga bbs, didn't he ?
>
>
> yep. didnt knwo how to set it up, so he bought one complete.
yep, as I recall, he started with an amiga for the BBS, but later switched
to a 286 (or 386, cant rember which).
Don't suppose you recall The Witches Brew (erika matlen?) or The Brick
Centre (elaine ralph) ?
--
cya later
Terrian
>
Terrian
> yep. didnt knwo how to set it up, so he bought one complete.
BTW, don't suppose you have any phone numbers for BBSs' left in Victoria
(other than the BBS List) ?
--
cya later
Terrian
Zed Strange
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, mathewm wrote:
>
>> > Nice reading, thanks. Kinda reminds me of the "Anarchists Cookbook"
>> > and the "Jolly Roger" that did the rounds of all the BBS's pre-www.
>>
>> They were good reads.
>
>As long as you didn't try and *make* anything from the Cookbook...
One of the users on my bbs claimed that he made some 'nitro' from one
of the recipes and claims the cat ate it and blew up.
sounds far fetched but he was adamant his missus was pretty upset
about bits of cat all over the place.
Rod Speed
> Dave Horsfall <da...@ci.com.au> wrote
>> mathewm wrote
>>>> Nice reading, thanks. Kinda reminds me of the "Anarchists Cookbook"
>>>> and the "Jolly Roger" that did the rounds of all the BBS's pre-www.
>>> They were good reads.
>> As long as you didn't try and *make* anything from the Cookbook...
> One of the users on my bbs claimed that he made some 'nitro'
> from one of the recipes and claims the cat ate it and blew up.
> sounds far fetched but he was adamant his missus
> was pretty upset about bits of cat all over the place.
He's pulling your leg. It wouldnt happen even if a cat was
stupid enough to eat nitro and no cat would eat it anyway.
mathewm
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, mathewm wrote:
>
>>> Nice reading, thanks. Kinda reminds me of the "Anarchists Cookbook"
>>> and the "Jolly Roger" that did the rounds of all the BBS's pre-www.
>>
>> They were good reads.
>
> As long as you didn't try and *make* anything from the Cookbook...
>
> -- Dave
Some fool of a kid in Melbourne lost a hand trying that a few years ago.
Evolution at work.
Zed Strange
wrote:
ok, maybe it wasnt nitro. memory is pretty faded on exact
conversations that took place 8 years ago :-)
EnjoyDialup
> > > "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> wrote in message
> > > news:3ef25de7$0$9355$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > > Does anyone remember Dror Howley (spel) the stoned sysop?? He was a
> > great
> > > > guy, but always stoned. I lost touch with him years ago
> unfortunantly.
> > >
> > > ran an amiga bbs, didn't he ?
> >
> >
> > yep. didnt knwo how to set it up, so he bought one complete.
>
> yep, as I recall, he started with an amiga for the BBS, but later switched
> to a 286 (or 386, cant rember which).
Yep thats the one. I remember the view from the roof of his flats, it was
very nice! He freaked out my flatmate by lighting up one of his "special"
smokes. He asked me if he can smoke in the house and I said yes without
even thinking. It was not until he started rolling it that i relised what
kind of smoke it was. My flatemate/girlfriend just about fainted on the
spot! She was very anti-"specialy stuff".
> Don't suppose you recall The Witches Brew (erika matlen?) or The Brick
> Centre (elaine ralph) ?
The brick Shitthouse! Yep. Allan and Elaine had bbq's down my place and
i'd been to dinner at their place too. They moved away and i lost touch. I
though their his'n'hers computers were very funny. I gave them so much
yuppy crap for buying those! Good people though.
EnjoyDialup
> >
> > yep. didnt knwo how to set it up, so he bought one complete.
>
> BTW, don't suppose you have any phone numbers for BBSs' left in Victoria
> (other than the BBS List) ?
i think that website has a bbs list section. I dont know if that is the
list you mean or not. I have not called a bbs in almost 10 years, to my
shame.
EnjoyDialup
He wrote the RAT files. Sadly they are archived too! Interestingly enough
I have been removed from the creadits of the first few of them that I
contributed too. The rest of them are full of insults directed at me. In
over five years he could not cope knowing that the girl he liked went after
me. He turned his obsession with her onto me when she said not to him. They
have probably locked him up by now in the funny farm.
Phil Seakins
wrote:
> Dyslexia makes it hard for me to spell correctly.
Rubbish. I'm dyslexic, I don't have a problem. That's just a lazy
cop-out.
Super Roo
pity nobody gives a flying fuck
EnjoyDialup
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...and of course your dyslexia affects you in the same way mine does. right?
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>
> "Phil Seakins" <psea...@akamail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:29:54 +1000, "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dyslexia makes it hard for me to spell correctly.
>>
>> Rubbish. I'm dyslexic, I don't have a problem. That's just a lazy
>> cop-out.
>
> ...and of course your dyslexia affects you in the same way mine does.
> right?
>
es.y
--
Kwyj.
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I dont beleave your dyslexic anymore. People don't find their own faults
funny. They definantly would not mock someone with the same problem.
Please go away now.
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d
>
> "Kwyjibo." <sdrawkca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns93A2A2D...@130.133.1.4...
>> "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> said
>>
>>>
>>> "Phil Seakins" <psea...@akamail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nh59fvkknpol8ro5c...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:29:54 +1000, "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Dyslexia makes it hard for me to spell correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Rubbish. I'm dyslexic, I don't have a problem. That's just a lazy
>>>> cop-out.
>>>
>>> ...and of course your dyslexia affects you in the same way mine does.
>>> right?
>>>
>>
>> es.y
>
> I dont beleave your dyslexic anymore. People don't find their own faults
> funny. They definantly would not mock someone with the same problem.
> Please go away now.
eh?
People don't find their own faults funny? What bubble are you living in? I
know a few deaf people who are more derisive of their situation than any
hearing person has ever been.
d
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"d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message
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that is acturly a psychological disorder in the self esteam department. ie.
putting yourself down before someone else can. Not a healthy mental
attitude at all.
I very much doubt they would poke fun as another deaf person. Not unless
they knew the other person would not be offended or upset.
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"mathewm" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I had a "user hell" flag for people i didnt like. It would send them to a
random menu whenever they pressed a button.
The only guy I ever used it on thought his modem was faulty (scrambeling the
keys he pressed) and pulled it apart thinking he could fix it. He didnt fix
his modem, but he fixed my problem as he couldn't get it to work after that!
One of his friends told him what I had done and the next thing I knew, his
father was on the phone to me wanting to know why I dammaged his sons modem.
I preceded to read some of the message this guy posted to a 12 year old girl
and his father promptly grounded him too!
d
> "d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message
>> eh?
>> People don't find their own faults funny? What bubble are you living in? I
>> know a few deaf people who are more derisive of their situation than any
>> hearing person has ever been.
>
> that is acturly a psychological disorder in the self esteam department. ie.
> putting yourself down before someone else can. Not a healthy mental
> attitude at all.
So being able to laugh at yourself and your faults isn't a healthy mental
attitude? Oh, and can you put a name to this disorder? Curious minds want
to know.
> I very much doubt they would poke fun as another deaf person. Not unless
> they knew the other person would not be offended or upset.
I've found most people are willing to laugh at the expense of themselves.
Those that don't are merely sad individuals who need to get a grip on what
is important.
As to your spelling mistakes, Outlook Express has a perfectly functional
spell check. Perhaps turning it on would be beneficial.
d
EnjoyDialup
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:38:13 +1000, EnjoyDialup wrote:
>
>
> > "d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message
>
> >> eh?
> >> People don't find their own faults funny? What bubble are you living
in? I
> >> know a few deaf people who are more derisive of their situation than
any
> >> hearing person has ever been.
>
> >
> > that is acturly a psychological disorder in the self esteam department.
ie.
> > putting yourself down before someone else can. Not a healthy mental
> > attitude at all.
>
> So being able to laugh at yourself and your faults isn't a healthy mental
> attitude? Oh, and can you put a name to this disorder? Curious minds want
> to know.
i think you missed the second sentance, as it pritty much answers your
question.
> > I very much doubt they would poke fun as another deaf person. Not
unless
> > they knew the other person would not be offended or upset.
>
> I've found most people are willing to laugh at the expense of themselves.
> Those that don't are merely sad individuals who need to get a grip on what
> is important.
No one has ever accused me of not having a grip on whats important. In fact
quite the opisite ;)
> As to your spelling mistakes, Outlook Express has a perfectly functional
> spell check. Perhaps turning it on would be beneficial.
You know, every time someone suggests that I get really angry that they are
so ignorant and think they know everything.
A spelling checker presents you(or me) with a list of almost identical words
to choose from. How is this going to help a Dyslexic who has difficulty in
telling the difference between them? It's bloody torcher and results in the
wrong word being picked more often than the right one. My old Sig you to
comment on this. I've dig it up just for you.
Spell Checkers : I'd rather spell the right word incorrectly, than the wrong
word correctly.
Pritty much summs up the spell checker experience for most dyslexics.
EnjoyDialup
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> ANOTHER rod speed knee deep post
>
> pity nobody gives a flying fuck
>
>
i once knew a stuedess who would ;)
Rod Speed
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>
>
> "Kwyjibo." <sdrawkca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns93A2A2D...@130.133.1.4...
> > "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> said
> >
> > >
> > > "Phil Seakins" <psea...@akamail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:nh59fvkknpol8ro5c...@4ax.com...
> > >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:29:54 +1000, "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Dyslexia makes it hard for me to spell correctly.
> > >>
> > >> Rubbish. I'm dyslexic, I don't have a problem. That's just a lazy
> > >> cop-out.
> > >
> > > ...and of course your dyslexia affects you in the same way mine does.
> > > right?
> > >
> >
> > es.y
>
>
> I dont beleave your dyslexic anymore.
> People don't find their own faults funny.
Plenty do.
> They definantly would not mock someone with the same problem.
Plenty do that too.
> Please go away now.
Heard the one about your head and a dead bear's arse ?
Rod Speed
"d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message news:8takn0o05a1z$.o6x2dymj5jnu$.dlg@40tude.net...
And then there's that cripple comedian.
Funniest comedian I have ever seen, bar none.
Rod Speed
"EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> wrote in message news:3ef5a32a$0$30568$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Utterly mindless silly stuff.
> ie. putting yourself down before someone else can.
Or just a rather wry comment about their particular disability.
That crippled comedian in spades.
> Not a healthy mental attitude at all.
Utterly mindless silly stuff. Being able to laugh at your
predicament is the epitomy of mental stability, fuckwit.
> I very much doubt they would poke fun as another deaf person.
Your problem.
> Not unless they knew the other person would not be offended or upset.
Utterly mindless silly stuff. Have fun explaining that crippled comedian for starters.
mathewm
I know of a blind guy who jokes that too much wanking caused him to be that
way :)
mathewm
That's a load of crap. You'd have the name of this (nonexistant) condition,
of course, wouldn't you?
mathewm
> I had a "user hell" flag for people i didnt like. It would send them to a
> random menu whenever they pressed a button.
> The only guy I ever used it on thought his modem was faulty (scrambeling the
> keys he pressed) and pulled it apart thinking he could fix it. He didnt fix
> his modem, but he fixed my problem as he couldn't get it to work after that!
> One of his friends told him what I had done and the next thing I knew, his
> father was on the phone to me wanting to know why I dammaged his sons modem.
> I preceded to read some of the message this guy posted to a 12 year old girl
> and his father promptly grounded him too!
Hopefully that came with a good boot up the arse for it too.
BTW: What software did you run your BBS under?
Albert Alcoceba
wrote:
>I had a "user hell" flag for people i didnt like. It would send them to a
>random menu whenever they pressed a button.
>The only guy I ever used it on thought his modem was faulty (scrambeling the
>keys he pressed) and pulled it apart thinking he could fix it. He didnt fix
>his modem, but he fixed my problem as he couldn't get it to work after that!
>One of his friends told him what I had done and the next thing I knew, his
>father was on the phone to me wanting to know why I dammaged his sons modem.
>I preceded to read some of the message this guy posted to a 12 year old girl
>and his father promptly grounded him too!
aaah, fond memories of my BBS Sysop days :-) You had to love the
parents ringing up! Or the reaction from parents when you tried to
verify their son's or daughter's ages to dowload Over 18 material. :-)
Albert Alcoceba
<><
alb...@ihug.com.au
http://www.answersbook.org/
d
> "d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message
>> So being able to laugh at yourself and your faults isn't a healthy mental
>> attitude? Oh, and can you put a name to this disorder? Curious minds want
>> to know.
> i think you missed the second sentance, as it pritty much answers your
> question.
No it doesn't. I want the medical name of the disorder. Not what you think
it is.
> You know, every time someone suggests that I get really angry that they are
> so ignorant and think they know everything.
> A spelling checker presents you(or me) with a list of almost identical words
> to choose from. How is this going to help a Dyslexic who has difficulty in
> telling the difference between them? It's bloody torcher and results in the
> wrong word being picked more often than the right one. My old Sig you to
> comment on this. I've dig it up just for you.
> Spell Checkers : I'd rather spell the right word incorrectly, than the wrong
> word correctly.
> Pritty much summs up the spell checker experience for most dyslexics.
I'll give you that one, stupid thinking on my behalf :)
d
EnjoyDialup
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:31:55 +1000, EnjoyDialup wrote:
>
>
> > "d" <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote in message
>
> >> So being able to laugh at yourself and your faults isn't a healthy
mental
> >> attitude? Oh, and can you put a name to this disorder? Curious minds
want
> >> to know.
>
> > i think you missed the second sentance, as it pritty much answers your
> > question.
>
> No it doesn't. I want the medical name of the disorder. Not what you think
> it is.
It's been over 10 years since i did psych at uni. I'm pritty sure it's one
of the symptoms of low self esteam. ie. putting yourself down before other
people do is an indecation of low self esteam. I'm sure there will be a
google hit on that one if you look. If not, I'll see if i cant find my old
psych books in the shed.
***
> > You know, every time someone suggests that I get really angry that they
are
> > so ignorant and think they know everything.
> > A spelling checker presents you(or me) with a list of almost identical
words
> > to choose from. How is this going to help a Dyslexic who has difficulty
in
> > telling the difference between them? It's bloody torcher and results in
the
> > wrong word being picked more often than the right one. My old Sig you
to
> > comment on this. I've dig it up just for you.
***
>
> > Spell Checkers : I'd rather spell the right word incorrectly, than the
wrong
> > word correctly.
>
> > Pritty much summs up the spell checker experience for most dyslexics.
>
> I'll give you that one, stupid thinking on my behalf :)
I get at least one spelling related insult every day. I'm so sick and tired
of having to defend my spelling, while the actual content of my post goes
un-answered. For example this thread is ment to be about melbourne hacking,
not my spelling. but one snooty comment from Phil (the dill) and it's yet
another spell-a-thon. Phil didnt even bother comming back to the thread!!
It was just another hit and run point scoring excersise for him.
If i get snooty at you (or anyone) for spelling comments, dont take it
personaly, i'm just fustrated. I cant fit the information in the above ***
paragraph into my sig. But i really need too.
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it's intersting that all these people picking on themselves are disabled and
thus at a higher risk of having low self esteam.
steady eddy is a great example. he has had to defend his act many times as
people disabled and able have found it offensive. he only continues because
people pay him lots of money to laugh at the disabled guy. something that i
do not personaly find funny. In my opinion he is not much differnt to those
who use to become circus freaks because of deformatys. He wants to be a
commedian, and obviously beleaves that people will only find him funny if he
makes fun of himself. The whole "putting people down" commedy routine is
crass, no matter who you are.
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His fathers tone changed significantly from anoyed with me to apologetic and
anoyed with his son. I think there might have been a hit of emmbarasment in
there too. So i'm thinking a size 12 boot up the arse was in order.
> BTW: What software did you run your BBS under?
QBBS, SBBS and finaly ProBoard
EnjoyDialup
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Oh yeah. the old age verification phonecall. When they lied about their
age I just could not help letting it slip what they were requesting access
to. Normal went something like this "Ok, can you please tell Little Jonny
that he can have access to the swimsuit area, but not the nude pictures.
thank you." The mothers were the best. Their responce was almost always
"I'll do that!" in a gonna-get-it-now tone of voice.
I also loved the sysop yell function. Mine (like most) said to only use it
once and if i'm around i'll break in for a chat. It also set a flag that
would send you to the logoff menu if you ran it twice in one call. I had a
program called "logout.exe" that ran after each caller to reset all the
various flags. Come to think of it, a few people still owe me money for
their registration of that program!!
Rod Speed
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> d <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote
>> EnjoyDialup wrote
>>> d <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote
>>>> EnjoyDialup wrote
>>>>> d <spamc...@xmbox.com> wrote
>>>>>> eh?
>>>>>> People don't find their own faults funny? What bubble are
>>>>>> you living in? I know a few deaf people who are more derisive
>>>>>> of their situation than any hearing person has ever been.
>>>>> that is acturly a psychological disorder in the self esteam department.
Wrong. As always.
>>>>> ie. putting yourself down before someone else can.
>>>>> Not a healthy mental attitude at all.
Wrong. As always.
>>>> So being able to laugh at yourself and your faults
>>>> isn't a healthy mental attitude? Oh, and can you put
>>>> a name to this disorder? Curious minds want to know.
>>> i think you missed the second sentance,
Corse he didnt.
>>> as it pritty much answers your question.
Corse it doesnt.
>> No it doesn't. I want the medical name
>> of the disorder. Not what you think it is.
> It's been over 10 years since i did psych at uni.
And its obvious that you didnt manage the basics even then.
> I'm pritty sure it's one of the symptoms of low self
> esteam. ie. putting yourself down before other
> people do is an indecation of low self esteam.
Doesnt mean that laughing at your problem is evidence
of anything but a real sense of humour, fool.
> I'm sure there will be a google hit on that one if you look.
> If not, I'll see if i cant find my old psych books in the shed.
Says sweet fuck all about whether laughing at your
problem is ALWAYS evidence of low self esteem, fool.
Rod Speed
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
EnjoyDialup <EnjoyDialup@SPAM> wrote in message
> go away rod.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, fool.
Rod Speed
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They aint 'picking on themselves', fool.
Just the usual wry humour that anyone with a clue can manage.
> are disabled and thus at a higher risk of having low self esteam.
Utterly mindless silly stuff. The reality is that they can get away
with laughing at those disabilitys because if you arent disabled,
you'll get plenty of po faced fools uptight about the remark etc.
> steady eddy is a great example.
Like hell he is on your terminally stupid claim that someone
laughing at the funnier aspects of a particular disability are
only doing it because of their low self esteem.
You aint gotta fucking clue, as always.
> he has had to defend his act many times as
> people disabled and able have found it offensive.
Completely and utterly irrelevant to WHY he laughs
at the funnier aspects of that particular disability, fool.
> he only continues because people pay him
> lots of money to laugh at the disabled guy.
Separate issue entirely to your terminally stupid claim
that the only people making jokes about their particular
disability are those with pathologically low self esteem.
Wrong. As always.
> something that i do not personaly find funny.
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you might or might not find funny in spades.
> In my opinion he is not much differnt to those who
> use to become circus freaks because of deformatys.
You have always been, and always will be, completely
and utterly irrelevant. Your stupid opinions in spades.
> He wants to be a commedian, and obviously beleaves that
> people will only find him funny if he makes fun of himself.
Utterly mindless silly stuff.
> The whole "putting people down" commedy
> routine is crass, no matter who you are.
Utterly mindless silly stuff. As always from you.
Rod Speed
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> go away rod.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, fool.
Fish!
cr...@pacific.net.sg says...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 04:05:56 +1000, "EnjoyDialup" <EnjoyDialup@SPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >It's been over 10 years since i did psych at uni. I'm pritty sure it's one
> >of the symptoms of low self esteam. ie. putting yourself down before other
> >people do is an indecation of low self esteam. I'm sure there will be a
> >google hit on that one if you look. If not, I'll see if i cant find my old
> >psych books in the shed.
>
> 'self esteem' is nebulous at best, and used mainly by the popular
> media to describe a non-existent attribute of self.
>
>
See if you can find "spot the dog" as well, big words such as 'pretty',
'indication', and 'esteem' seem to be beyond you.
Fish!
cr...@pacific.net.sg says...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:22:26 +1000, Fish! <Fish!@Tanksville.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> If you did psych at uni, you would be aware that the concept of
> >> 'self esteem' is nebulous at best, and used mainly by the popular
> >> media to describe a non-existent attribute of self.
>
> >See if you can find "spot the dog" as well, big words such as 'pretty',
>
> not write 'indication' or 'pretty'.
>
>
Only strange if you think I was referring to you. And not the orignal
poster.
Ken Taylor
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"There's enough material here for a convention......."
Fish!
says...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Fish! wrote:
>
> > > What a strange reply. I correctly spelled and used 'esteem'. I did
> > > not write 'indication' or 'pretty'.
> >
> > Only strange if you think I was referring to you. And not the orignal
> > poster.
>
> fascinating... Do you carry on face-to-face conversations this way as
> well?
>
> -- Dave
>
Did I respond to Craig, or did I respond to the original poster, and
simply leave Craig's post in tact?
I rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Much like I
rely on wankers jumping in with ridiculous comments about face to face
conversations in some way being similar to posting to usenet.
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I also rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Like the
information in my sig to help the very stupid to understand why my spelling
in not always correct. Perhaps i was asking to much of your mental
abilities.
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Fish!
cr...@pacific.net.sg says...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:49:21 +1000, Fish! <Fish!@Tanksville.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> > > What a strange reply. I correctly spelled and used 'esteem'. I did
> >> > > not write 'indication' or 'pretty'.
> >> >
> >> > Only strange if you think I was referring to you. And not the orignal
> >> > poster.
> >>
> >> So whilst responding to Craig, you were not actually referring to him;
> >> fascinating... Do you carry on face-to-face conversations this way as
> >> well?
>
> >simply leave Craig's post in tact?
>
Nope, I knew exactly who it was intended for.
>
> >I rely on people being able to comprehend simple things.
>
> There is an alternative. That is to respond directly to the post in
> which another poster said something to which you would like to
> respond. It's a common technique and very, very effective.
>
So is comprehension. You know like when people refer to something
someone ELSE said, and you don't bother replying that you think it's
applicable to you.
> >Much like I
> >rely on wankers jumping in with ridiculous comments about face to face
> >conversations in some way being similar to posting to usenet.
>
> The to and fro style of Usenet posts is exactly synonymous with face
> to face dialogue. Prior to now, I've not seen anyone mis-understand
> how it works.
>
>
Err no it's not, and to keep implying that it is is just bizarre. HAD
it been a face to face conversation you would have undoubtedly
comprehended that I wasn't talking to you, due to me, say not facing
you. Or the fact that some time ago your 'spoken conversation' couldn't
have been plucked out of the air, and replied to, until it dies as most
posts do, under the weight of your pedantry.
If anything usenet is the opposite of face to face, it's more of a shout
out to a crowd.
Fish!
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>
> "Fish!" <Fish!@Tanksville.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.19627550a...@vic.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > In article <2003062413...@mippet.ci.com.au>, da...@ci.com.au
> > says...
> > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Fish! wrote:
> > >
> > > > > What a strange reply. I correctly spelled and used 'esteem'. I did
> > > > > not write 'indication' or 'pretty'.
> > > >
> > > > Only strange if you think I was referring to you. And not the orignal
> > > > poster.
> > >
> > > So whilst responding to Craig, you were not actually referring to him;
> > > fascinating... Do you carry on face-to-face conversations this way as
> > > well?
> > >
> > > -- Dave
> > >
> >
> > Did I respond to Craig, or did I respond to the original poster, and
> > simply leave Craig's post in tact?
> >
> > I rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Much like I
> > rely on wankers jumping in with ridiculous comments about face to face
> > conversations in some way being similar to posting to usenet.
>
>
> I also rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Like the
> information in my sig to help the very stupid to understand why my spelling
> in not always correct. Perhaps i was asking to much of your mental
> abilities.
>
>
So use a fucking spell checker and stop hiding behind your so called
disability.
Fish!
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Fish! wrote:
>
> > > So whilst responding to Craig, you were not actually referring to him;
> > > fascinating... Do you carry on face-to-face conversations this way as
> > > well?
> >
> > simply leave Craig's post in tact?
>
> The word for which you were groping is "intact." And yes, by leaving
> Craig's post intact with no other hints, you were indeed responding
> to him; sheer laziness on your part, I would say.
Groping? That would imply I didn't know which word to use.
I see, Hints, I should leave little clues, so fuckwits like yourself
feel more self satisfied when next they leap to someone elses defence
with all manner of pathetic speculations.
Can you tell me again how I was being lazy? I've all of a sudden been
struck with an overwhelming desire to hear more of your crap.
>
> > I rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Much like I
> > rely on wankers jumping in with ridiculous comments about face to face
> > conversations in some way being similar to posting to usenet.
>
> The word for which you were groping is "Usenet." It seems you need some
> remedial English lessons, apart from comprehension lessons. May I suggest
> the use of a dictionary, and perhaps someone to show you how to use it?
>
> -- Dave
>
May I suggest you stop using the word groping, I mean once and your just
being a wanker but twice?
Did the lack of a capital letter in the word usenet confuse you
dickhead? Surely you couldn't be as anal as to care about something so
small, but you're going to surprise be any minute now with your next
post aren't you.
Fish!
says...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, EnjoyDialup wrote:
>
> > I also rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Like the
> > information in my sig to help the very stupid to understand why my spelling
> > in not always correct. Perhaps i was asking to much of your mental
> > abilities.
>
>
> -- Dave
>
In fact, you seem to find it hard to stop yourself saying anything, no
matter how lame.
Fish!
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Fish! wrote:
>
> > So use a fucking spell checker and stop hiding behind your so called
> > disability.
>
> to spell instead.
>
> And yes, Mr/Ms Fish!, that is directed at *you*.
>
> -- Dave
>
Once again, the defender of the stupid leaps to their aide. You're
really not this stupid are you?
I mean what the FUCK was that post of yours about?
Fish!
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Fish! wrote:
>
> > > You responded, erroneously, to Craig.
> >
> > Nope, I knew exactly who it was intended for.
>
> to communicate your intentions to others; I'm sure there's a word
> for that condition...
Hahaha, Grammer boy leaps to the rescue. Boldly correcting (or should
that be correcting boldly, don't want to splt an infinitive, you'd shoot
your load with rage)
You totally, semi-colon-using, tosser.
>
> > So is comprehension. You know like when people refer to something
> > someone ELSE said, and you don't bother replying that you think it's
> > applicable to you.
>
> Could you please express that in English? I think a clause is missing
> at the end.
>
What, again? No, now you're being lazy. Stop being such a hypocrite.
> > Err no it's not, and to keep implying that it is is just bizarre. HAD
>
> My ghod; 30 years of Usenet history just got flushed away by some
> newbie...
>
Fuck you're a Drama Queen. "30 years of history flushed away" , because
of the dropping of a capital? You are a scary fellow, you're dressed up
in your Mothers skin talking to a mirror right now I bet.
You're very wrong about the newbie bit though, but this is getting fun.
> > it been a face to face conversation you would have undoubtedly
> > comprehended that I wasn't talking to you, due to me, say not facing
> > you. Or the fact that some time ago your 'spoken conversation' couldn't
> > have been plucked out of the air, and replied to, until it dies as most
> > posts do, under the weight of your pedantry.
>
> All very poetic, but little semantic content.
>
> > If anything usenet is the opposite of face to face, it's more of a shout
> > out to a crowd.
>
> "Usenet." And yes, it's a group of people talking face to face, in that
> several conversations may be followed simultaneously, with anyone free
> to reply to anyone else.
>
> -- Dave
>
Rod Speed
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just the desperate attempt to bullshit its way out of its
predicament that it always ends up having to resort to
when its got done like a fucking dinner, yet again.
Rod Speed
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> In article <3ef7d236$0$30568$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > > > > > What a strange reply. I correctly spelled and used 'esteem'. I
did
> > > > > > not write 'indication' or 'pretty'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only strange if you think I was referring to you. And not the
orignal
> > > > > poster.
> > > >
> > > > So whilst responding to Craig, you were not actually referring to
him;
> > > > fascinating... Do you carry on face-to-face conversations this way
as
> > > > well?
> > >
> > > simply leave Craig's post in tact?
> > >
> > > I rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Much like I
> > > rely on wankers jumping in with ridiculous comments about face to face
> > > conversations in some way being similar to posting to usenet.
> >
> > I also rely on people being able to comprehend simple things. Like the
> > information in my sig to help the very stupid to understand why my
spelling
> > in not always correct. Perhaps i was asking to much of your mental
> > abilities.
> >
> >
>
> So use a fucking spell checker and stop hiding behind your so called
> disability.
[rolls eyes] one more time for the terminaly stupid.
How is a dyslexic going to tell the difference between all the similarly
spelt words that a spell checker presents. When I use a spell check i end
up with a perfectly spelt post, with the wrong words all over the place! I
normaly give a longer explination of why this happends but i have already
educated one idiot today, so i have reached my limit. go research dyslexia
before opening your big stupid mouth next time.
Yes i'm pissed at you.
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> go away rod
Easy: Message - block sender.
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trouble is once a week he posts something worth reading.
plonking his never helps anyway. he uses differnt names to MAKE you see what
he is saying. I'm hopeing the electronic version of "lar lar lar i'm not
listening" might make his more polite. unlikly, but at least its anoying
him which i never get tired of. :)
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