News: Telstra increases mobile coverage
Jason
GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did away with the digital
update website & phone number (after they didn't update them for 2
years either)
Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below? Seen a
coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention which sites are
GSM, CDMA or both.
http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=30405
More places to make your mobile call - Telstra boosts coverage across
Australia
Australians either at work or on holidays are enjoying more mobile
coverage than ever before, with Telstra installing 1,080 extra mobile
base stations across the nation during 2003.
The expansion of Telstra's GSM and CDMA networks saw more than four
new base stations installed each working day last year.
Acting Group Managing Director for Telstra Country Wide, Mr Lawrence
Paratz, said the mobile program represented a three-fold increase in
the number of new base stations installed compared with 2002.
"Telstra has grown the total number of its mobile base stations
nationally to 7,157 - a jump of almost 18 per cent in one year," he
said.
Mr Paratz said the most dramatic coverage improvements were in rural
and regional Australia where just over half the new base stations were
installed.
"Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
"At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA has
grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since July
2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
"If you have a car antenna installed, you can now access mobile phone
coverage across almost one-fifth of the Australian land mass.
"This is changing the way our customers live and work in rural areas,"
Mr Paratz said.
"Included in our rollout over the past year is coverage to more than
275 towns, rural areas and segments of highways outside of
metropolitan areas which have never before had mobile phone reception.
"This includes towns like Wyandra and Eidsvold in Queensland, Bermagui
and Gulargambone in New South Wales, Manangatang and Jamieson in
Victoria, Arthur River and Anson's Bay in Tasmania, Saddleworth in
South Australia, Badgingarra and Chittering in Western Australia and
Ngukurr and Borroloola in the Northern Territory.
"Mobile phones in regional Australia are improving communications in
practical ways, such as helping farmers coordinate grain truck
movements during harvest. It is also possible to use mobile messages
to remotely monitor rainfall, check temperature and operate pumps.
"Vets, plumbers, sales people and a range of rural workers can
continue to run their businesses, make appointments or phone in orders
while working in the paddocks or travelling vast distances," Mr Paratz
said.
Metropolitan areas have shared in the coverage boost in 2003 with
additional Telstra mobile base stations installed in city and suburban
locations.
"Telstra's ongoing investment means that people travelling and working
in cities are enjoying improved depth and quality of mobile coverage,"
he said.
"While it may be easier to catch a call from the boss, the freedom of
a mobile phone also goes well with the Australian outdoor lifestyle
and the summer holiday season."
Some of the additional regional and rural places you can enjoy mobile
coverage following Telstra's network enhancements in 2003:
SA
*Camels Hump (Booborwie), *Coffin Bay, Cowell, *Eden Valley, *Frances
Southeast, *Glendambo (Stuart Hwy), *Hamley Bridge, Hwy South of Pt
Augusta, *Leigh Creek, Mallala, *Mintaro, Mt Burr, *Naracoorte Caves,
Nairne, *Owen, *Saddleworth, Snowtown, Stockwell Barossa Valley, *Swan
Reach, *Yunta (Barrier Hwy).
NT
*Borroloola, *Barkly Roadhouse (Barkly Hwy), *Elliott, *Hermannsburg,
*Lajamanu, Marraki Ridge (Arnhem hwy), *Ngukurr, *Numbulwar,
*Oenpelli, *Ramingining, *Santa Teresa, *Timber Creek, *Yuendumu,
Yulara Airport, *Ti Tree.
WA
Alexander Heights, Applecross West, Ardross, Ascot, *Badgingarra,
Bedfordale East, Bedfordale West, Beverley, *Bidyadanga, Boddington
North, Boddington South, Booragoon East, Boyanup, Broome South,
Busselton West, Canna, Cannington, *Chittering, Como South,
Cooloongup, Coral Bay, *Dandaragan, *Darkan South, Denmark West, East
Vic Park (Devenish), Ellenbrook South, Embleton, Eneabba (Ocean Hill),
*Eradu South, Frankland, Fremantle North, *Golden Grove, Gwelup, Halls
Head, Huntingdale, Jandakot Nth, *Jerramungup East, Joondanna,
Karratha West, Karratha West, *Lake King, Manjimup, Mawson, Mt
Claremont, Mt Hawthorn Exchange, *Munglinup, Nannup, *Nannup South,
Naval Base, *Northcliffe, *Overlander, *Pingrup East, *Quininup, St
Martins, *Stirling Range, Tamala, Tambellup, Telfer Reef, Wangara,
Welshpool South-West, *West Angelas, West Midland, *Westdale,
*Widgiemooltha South, *Wiluna, *Yule.
QLD
Alpha Nth, *Arcadia Bay, Arundel, *Ban Ban, Beachmere, Beaudesert,
Beerburrum, *Bollon (Balonne Hwy), Bonogin, Booval Shopping Centre,
Boundary Hill, Buddina Burleigh Waters, *Burra/Pentland (Flinders
Hwy), Caboolture East, Caboolture North - Carry-in, Calingunee,
*Camooweal (Barkly Hwy), Cape Flattery, Captains Mt West, Carrara
Markets, Carrara East, *Cecil Plains, Champion, *Chorregon
(Landsborough Hwy), *Clare, *Clifton, *Clohesy (Kennedy Hwy), Connors
Rivers, *Cooks Tank, Couran Cove, *Cracow, Mungungal, *Croydon,
*Eidsvold, Elanora, The Pines Shopping Centre, Exe Creek, Florence,
Garfield, Gilliat (Flinders Hwy), *Glanworth (West of Landsborough
Hwy), *Glenden Plum Duff, Goombungee, Greendale South, *Gununa,
Gympie-Cooroy Hwy, Half Tide Beach, Hamilton Island, Happy Valley,
Fraser Island, Helensvale West, Hermit, Hodgson Range, Hollywell,
*Horseshoe Bay, *Hutchison and Watopia, Jandowae, *Jericho (Capricorn
Hwy), Joe's Hill, Johnstone South, Kelly's Ck, *Killarney, *Kogan,
Lynd River, Mackay Harbour, *Macleay Island, *Malanda Reservoir,
Marburg, Marcus Beach, Mermaid Waters, *Millaa Millaa, *Millaroo,
Millmerran Power, Mons, Moore Park, *Morven (Warrego Hwy), Mt Bohle,
Mt Perry, Mudgeeraba, Murray Spring, Musgrave Hill, Nerrena,
*Newlands, Ningi New Sector, *Ninidigully (Carnarvon Hwy), *Nob,
*Nonda, North Gladstone Industrial Zone, North Goonyella (Nth Moranbah
mines), North Tivoli, Orchid Beach, *Palm Island, Palmview, Parkwood,
Patrick Creek, Pickwick, *Picnic Bay, *Pony Hills and Lonesome,
*Ravenshoe (Kennedy Hwy), River Heads, Rocky Shopping Fair (Park
Avenue), *Rolleston, Rosewood (Landsborough Hwy), Runaway Bay,
Runnymede, *Russell Island, Rydges Resort, Port Douglas, , Sandstone
Point, Sardine C, Scartwater, *Shoalwater Bay, Silkwood, Sippy Creek,
Southport South, *Spencer Gap (Peak Downs Hwy), Springbrook, *St
Paul's, Stanwell, Stanwell Power/Smelter, Tangaloom, *Taylors Beach,
*Thargomindah, *Thiers (SE of Quilpie), Toompine - Wyndeyer, Toorbul,
*Tully Heads, Tweed Heads, Valdora, Valkyrie, Victoria Ck, *Walker
Creek, *Expedition Range, *Wallumbilla, Wellshot, *Westmar (Moonie
Hwy), *Wieambilla, Wild Horse Nth, Williams River & Elrose, *Willows
(Capricorn Hwy), Witta, *Woodgate, *Wyaga (Gore Hwy), *Wyandra
(Mitchell Hwy), Yamanto, Yaroomba, Yarrow Moultrie, *Yungaburra.
VIC
Aireys Inlet, Anglesea, Avalon, Ballarat South, *Blairgowrie North,
Boort, Broadford North, Bruthen, *Bullioh (Murray Valley Hwy), Bullioh
East (Murray Valley Hwy), *Cann River, Carwarp, *Chiltern, *Clunes,
Cribb Point, *Corinella, *Cowangie, *Cullulleraine, Deakin
Uni-Geelong, *Dunolly, Eaglehawk, Elmore, *Ensay, *Euroa, Falls Creek
Village Bowl, *Flagstaff Hill, *Flowerdale, Galaquil, Geelong Beach
West, *Hepburn Springs, *Heyfield, Hunters Hill, *Jamieson *Jan Juc,
*Jeparit, Johanna, Kyneton Racecourse, Lara South, *Leitchville,
*Linton, Loch South, Lorne/Cumberland, *Malmsbury, *Manangatang,
*Marlo, Maryvale, *Merricks North, Milawa, *Minyip, Moolap, *Moriac,
*Mornington East, *Mornington South, *Mt Baw Baw Village, Mt Clay, Mt
Major New, Mt Moornapa, Mt Oberon, *Murrayville, *Nangiloc, *Newstead,
Noorinbee, Nyah West, *Port Fairy Central, Portland Aluminium,
Princetown, Pyramid Hill, Ravenswood, Rosebud South, *Rhyll, *Riddells
Creek, *Safety Beach, *Sale East, *San Remo Central, Belmont,
*Skipton, Stanhope, *Stratford, *Strathmerton, *Stuart Mill, *Talbot,
*Tambo, *Terang, The Country Place, *Tongala, *Toolamba, *Tooradin,
*Tower Hill, Traralgon, Traralgon Central, Traralgon West, Trawool
Central, *Tyabb, Ultima, *Warneet East, Wendouree, *Winton,
*Wonthaggi, Woomelang, Wye River, Yuulong.
TAS
*Ansons Bay, *Arthur River, Bridport, Burnie North West, *Cape Grim,
Coles Bay, *Derby, Devonport, *Eaglehawk Neck, Eastlands, *Edith
Creek, Fingal, *Gladstone, *Hayes Hill, Hobart Airport, Launceston
Airport, *Lilydale, *Little Swanport (Tasman Hwy), *Marrawah, *Memana,
Montagu, *Mt Cleveland, *Mt Tanner, Norwood, Railton, *Ridgley,
*Savage River Mine, Taranna, *Togari, Ulverstone, Waratah, Wesley
Vale, *Willis Hill, Wynyard.
NSW
*Adaminaby, *Adelong, Albion Park Reserve, *Andersons Hill, Appin,
*Ardlethan Welman Trig, *Barellan Silos, *Barraroo, Bellata Haystack,
*Bermagui, *Birralee, *Bogalo (Pine Ridge) *Booligal (Cobb Hwy),
*Booroorban (Cobb Hwy), *Bourke Mt Oxley, *Buckambool, *Buckinguy,
*Coonamble, *Candelo, *Captains Flat, *Carinda, Carrathool, Coffs
Harbour North, *Colane, *Coolabah, *Warrington, *Coraki (Buckendoon),
*Coronga Peak (Mitchell Hwy), *Crescent Head Water Reservoir,
*Culburra-Orient Point, *Culcairn, *Cunjurong, Bendalong , Dapto,
*Darlington Point, *Delta (Gwydir Hwy), Doyalson, *Eugowra, *Evans
Head, Figtree, *Geurie, *Girilambone, *Glen Lyon Hill, *Gongolgon
Remote, *Goodooga, *Grawin, *Gulargambone, *Halam Trig (Bruxner Hwy),
*Hallidays Point, *Hamilton Park, *Harrington, *Henty, *Hilltop,
*Karoo, *Korreo (Barrier Hwy), *Lake Cargelligo Ural Mountain, Lennox
Heads, Liddell Coal & Allied, Lockhart, *Lower Cobham, *Lower Mt
Druid, *MacCullochs Range, *Malua Bay, *Manildra, Manilla, Mt Baldwin,
*Marra, *Mingoola Glenlyon Dam (Bruxner Hwy), *Molong, *Moonabung
(Vacy), *Mooney Mooney, *Moruya, *Moruya Heads, *Mossgiel, *Mount
Boppy, *Mt Delegate, *Mt Dering (Nth of Broken Hill), *Mt Shannon, Mt
Thorley, *Mt Tingha, Nambucca Heads, *Nardoo, *Netley South, North
Gosford, *Nymagee Mountain, *Oaklands Golf Course, *Old Bar, Parkes
Clarinda Trig, *Patonga, Port Macquarie, *Portland, *Purnanga (White
Cliffs), *Quambone, Sapphire Beach Sector (Coffs Harbour),
Shellharbour, *Six Mile Tank, *Snubba (Snowy Mt Hwy), Somersby Quarry
Rd, South West Rocks, *Springvale, *Stroud, *Stuarts Point, *Suffolk
Park Reservoir, Tamworth Calala Lane, *Tarwoona Downs (Mitchell Hwy),
*Tasman, Tamarang Station, *Tathra, Terrigal, *The Cottage, Thirroul,
*Thule Hut, *Tibooburra (Silver City Hwy), *Tottenham, *Trundle Water
Reservoir, Tumut,*Ungarie, *Urana, Wadalba (Pacific Hwy), *Wallarobba
Range (Richardson Trig), Wamberal Reservoir, *Wambrook (Snowy Mt Hwy),
*Waranary Hill, *Warwillah, *Weethalle, *Weilmoringle, *Wentworth,
*Willotia (Sth of Menindee), *Wongarbon, *Wooli Reservoir, *Woy Woy ,
*Yannergee (Premer), Yarrahapinni.
ACT
Barton Brisbane Ave, Cameron Ave ABS House, Canberra Parliament Hse,
Canberra University, Gungahlin, John Gorton Building, Phillip Toc,
Phillip Woden Plaza, Weston Creek.
* Places that received mobile phone reception for the first time in
2003.
budgie
>Check out this media release from telstra - pity they haven't released
>GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did away with the digital
>update website & phone number (after they didn't update them for 2
>years either)
>
>Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below? Seen a
>coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention which sites are
>GSM, CDMA or both.
Zackly. So to get the benefit of the *new coverage, we need to carry both.
Yippee, I'm underwhelmed.
(snip statistical hype)
>"Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
>square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long way to go.
>"At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA has
>grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since July
>2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it never will.
I'd venture that nearly all those *new country sites (in WA at least) are CDMA
>"If you have a car antenna installed, you can now access mobile phone
>coverage across almost one-fifth of the Australian land mass.
If you have TWO antennae and two mobiles - one GSM and one CDMA.
>"This is changing the way our customers live and work in rural areas,"
>Mr Paratz said.
Geez, even Ellis doesn't spout that sort of line.
sonic666
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thegoons
to the Director of Telstra Country Wide, Mr. Doug Campbell (doug *DOT*
campbell *AT* team *DOT* telstra *DOT* com *DOT* au).
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thegoons
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Rod Speed
budgie <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> jjco...@yahoo.com.au (Jason) wrote
>> Check out this media release from telstra - pity they haven't
>> released GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did
>> away with the digital update website & phone number (after
>> they didn't update them for 2 years either)
>> Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below?
>> Seen a coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention
>> which sites are GSM, CDMA or both.
> Zackly. So to get the benefit of the
> *new coverage, we need to carry both.
Nope. There are fuck all places where there is GSM coverage
but no CDMA coverage. If there is actually anywhere at all.
> Yippee, I'm underwhelmed.
Your problem, as always. You've never been
able to get even the simplest stuff right.
> (snip statistical hype)
>> "Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
>> square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60%
> of WA. Still a bloody long way to go.
Anyone who wants that sort of coverage uses a GlobalStar phone.
>> "At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA
>> has grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since
>> July 2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
> only goes to show that GSM has even
> further to go - and of course it never will.
Corse it wont, we have two different networks for a reason, stupid.
> I'd venture that nearly all those *new
> country sites (in WA at least) are CDMA
Must be one of those rocket scientist morons.
>> "If you have a car antenna installed, you can now access mobile
>> phone coverage across almost one-fifth of the Australian land mass.
> If you have TWO antennae and two mobiles - one GSM and one CDMA.
Wrong. As always.
>> "This is changing the way our customers
>> live and work in rural areas," Mr Paratz said.
> Geez, even Ellis doesn't spout that sort of line.
Which is why he'd never get that sort of job, stupid.
Rod Speed
thegoons <theg...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Rather than limit the complaint to the news group, may I suggest
> you write to the Director of Telstra Country Wide, Mr. Doug Campbell
> (doug *DOT* campbell *AT* team *DOT* telstra *DOT* com *DOT* au).
And his minion will just flush it where it belongs.
Might even be auto flushed now.
Michael
> GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did away with the
Thanks for trying, but DO check your facts before calling again
Telstra released GSM maps 13 last year, April 2003.
The GSM coverage areas have been remapped and are more accurate than
previously
digital
> update website & phone number (after they didn't update them for 2
> years either)
Telstra doesnt have much GSM to update at all, its network is near maturity,
breadth of coverage wise
> Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below? Seen a
> coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention which sites are
> GSM, CDMA or both.
Look on the Telstra Mobile website under TSII coverage for a lot of them
Michael
> >square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>
> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long way to
go.
Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the 2nd biggest digital network IN THE
WORLD
> >"At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA has
> >grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since July
> >2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
>
> only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it never
will.
This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything else,
including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra GSM
is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
Michael
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Jason
Wide?
And what influence (if any) do you think this person may have on
reviving Digital Update to it's former glory?
BTW the australian it article on this claims they will install another
200 bases in the first half of 2004, and that 37% (or 406 out of 1080)
were GSM.
(but most of them were probably capacity upgrades to existing city
sites - in the TSI there were some new GSM bases listed as needed for
regional sites, but not many)
Jason
"thegoons" <theg...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<xIzKb.80537$aT.7...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> Rather than limit the complaint to the news group, may I suggest you write
> to the Director of Telstra Country Wide, Mr. Doug Campbell (doug *DOT*
> campbell *AT* team *DOT* telstra *DOT* com).
budgie
>> >"Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
>> >square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>>
>> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long way to
>go.
>
>Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the 2nd biggest digital network IN THE
>WORLD
And it's still got a long way to go. 60% of WA isn't all that big a proportion
of Australia.
And with Tel$tra doing all those "clever" CDMA installs, like at the exchange
down the bottom of a hole (Nannup) with a 7km range, I guess it'll never cover
much more. Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and looked at
topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
>> >"At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA has
>> >grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since July
>> >2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
>>
>> only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it never
>will.
>
>This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
>
>Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything else,
>including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra GSM
>is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
>Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
?? You're the one telling us that Tel$tra CDMA is so good. I don't think it's
all that good.
As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the rest of the GSM
networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
Rod Speed
> Michael <mic...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> "Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
>>>> square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>>> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60%
>>> of WA. Still a bloody long way to go.
>> Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the
>> 2nd biggest digital network IN THE WORLD
> And it's still got a long way to go.
Nope.
> 60% of WA isn't all that big a proportion of Australia.
Irrelevant. There will always be parts of Aust that arent ever
going to be economic to cover with CDMA. Anyone with a
clue uses a GlobalStar mobile if they are in those areas much.
> And with Tel$tra doing all those "clever" CDMA installs,
> like at the exchange down the bottom of a hole (Nannup)
> with a 7km range, I guess it'll never cover much more.
More fool you.
> Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and looked at
> topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
Or they have worked out that a base there is economic
and that what you would prefer instead, aint.
You get to like that or lump it.
>>>> "At more than twice the geographic size of the GSM network, CDMA
>>>> has grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since
>>>> July 2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
>>> only goes to show that GSM has even
>>> further to go - and of course it never will.
>> This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
Cant expect much from a bird brain.
>> Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything else,
>> including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra GSM
>> is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
>> Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
> ?? You're the one telling us that Tel$tra CDMA
> is so good. I don't think it's all that good.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
> As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the
> rest of the GSM networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
Best do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
budgie
the usual garbage that he spews forth.
Pathetic really.
Rod Speed
manage its own lines, desperately cowering behind
budgie <m...@privacy.net> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.
Cant even manage to fool a dunny cleaner.
thomo
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Jeremy Quirke
"Michael" <mic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Well Ive got news for you, Telstra GSM
> is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
> Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
>
Rubbish. Optus has by far the best coverage in Australia's 2 cities
(Melbourne & Sydney) and that's what counts. Can't even make a call on
Telstra MobileNet in a shopping centre without getting "Network Busy".
Brendon
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> Rubbish. Optus has by far the best coverage in Australia's 2 cities
> (Melbourne & Sydney)
Australia has more cities than just Sydland and Melburg.
> and that's what counts.
Obviously you are one of those narrow minded city people who don't realise
the importance of the rest of Australia.
Brendon
> Telstra doesnt have much GSM to update at all, its network is near
maturity,
> breadth of coverage wise
Wrong.
Jeremy Quirke
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Look at the population breakdown. If you were a business, what would you
provide the best coverage to? And Melbourne and Sydney are the only 2
'cities', Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are really very large regional
centres.
The magnificent Kwyjibo.
and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and "Jeremy Quirke" <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> spake,
saying
>
> Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are really very large
> regional centres.
Brisbane - Population 1.6 million
Adelaide - 1.2 million
Perth - 1.4 million
Fucking big 'regional centres' idiot.
--
Kwyj.
thomo
straight economic return & the other concerns equitable outcomes allover for
multiple reasons. It is just as easy to argue that any major inner city area
counts compared to the outer (& middle) suburbs of our larger conurbations.
Admittedly Sydney is way ahead in total. Now & in the future Melbourne is
closer in size to Brisbane than Sydney.
Mobile phone services are easily provided to any significant population &
commercial operators acknowledge that.
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thomo <th...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> There are two sides to the "disadvantaged" areas argument.
It isnt even a "disadvantaged areas" argument with the other state capitals.
> One is the straight economic return & the other concerns
> equitable outcomes allover for multiple reasons. It is just as
> easy to argue that any major inner city area counts compared
> to the outer (& middle) suburbs of our larger conurbations.
Crap, not with numbers of users it doesnt. Its always
a fart in the bath compared with the total number of
users in say the greater Sydney area with mobiles.
> Admittedly Sydney is way ahead in total. Now & in the
> future Melbourne is closer in size to Brisbane than Sydney.
Yeah, his claim was a bit silly with Brizvegas.
> Mobile phone services are easily provided to any significant
> population & commercial operators acknowledge that.
Sure, but thats a different issue to really comprehensive
coverage that never sees any holes in their coverage at
all, and survives the big usage hits like NYE as well.
THAT is very expensive as 3 is discovering and
that cost is only really economically justifiable when
there is a high level of usage at prime time rates.
The 'are really very large regional centres' is completely
silly with BrizVegas and Perth particularly.
> Jeremy Quirke <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> wrote
>> Brendon <n...@way.man> wrote
>>> Jeremy Quirke <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> wrote
Brendon
> Look at the population breakdown. If you were a business, what would you
> provide the best coverage to?
Where I could make the most money.
I was directly addressing a statement you made. You said "...best coverage
in Australia's 2 cities (Melbourne & Sydney) and that's what counts", and
I'm saying that there is plenty more of Australia that "counts" just as
much.
> And Melbourne and Sydney are the only 2
> 'cities', Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are really very large regional
> centres.
Whatever you think mate.
brian w edginton
<removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Yeah. Not to mention cities contiguous to Brisbane....Ipswich, Logan,
Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast........A huge market.
I have read that, within 10 or so years, Brisbane will replace
Melbourne as Oz' second city.
brianWE
My opinions are mine, and mine, alone.
Do you have any idea how lonely that is?
Jason
> news:5f660f99.04010...@posting.google.com...
> > Check out this media release from telstra - pity they haven't released
> > GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did away with the
>
> Thanks for trying
Your welcome.
> but DO check your facts before calling again
> Telstra released GSM maps 13 last year, April 2003.
Yes, but for SA at least, they may as well just have reprinted the
previous version and stuck a new date on it. Seems Telstra staff have
no pink bits left to show us :)
Jason
Michael
> >> >square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
> >>
> >> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long way
to
> >go.
> >
> >Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the 2nd biggest digital network IN THE
> >WORLD
>
> And it's still got a long way to go. 60% of WA isn't all that big a
proportion
> of Australia.
Bullshit, take a look at WA, its bloody huge.
Telstra CDMA covers 16% of Aus, and T GSM covers 6%, which is better than
Optus, Voda, Orange CDMA and 3G.
So the CDMA is just a fantastic achievement.
> And with Tel$tra doing all those "clever" CDMA installs, like at the
exchange
> down the bottom of a hole (Nannup) with a 7km range, I guess it'll
We went through that. Obviously Telstra wanted to cover the township of
Nannup and thats what they achieved
> much more. Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and looked
at
> topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
I think they know a bit more about it than you ever will
> >> only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it
never
> >will.
> >
> >This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
> >
> >Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything else,
> >including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra
GSM
> >is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
> >Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
>
> ?? You're the one telling us that Tel$tra CDMA is so good. I don't think
it's
> all that good.
As a user of the network, I know its fantastic. You might want to get
yourself a CDMA phone and try it yourself
> As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the rest of the
GSM
> networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
Telstra GSM is the best GSM network in Australia. Telstra CDMA is ever
better. Out of the 4 national networks, the top two are Telstra. Fantastic
achievement
Michael
> >> 2nd biggest digital network IN THE WORLD
>
> > And it's still got a long way to go.
>
> Nope.
>
> > 60% of WA isn't all that big a proportion of Australia.
>
> Irrelevant. There will always be parts of Aust that arent ever
> going to be economic to cover with CDMA. Anyone with a
And some of the areas only become economically viable with government
funding (such as TSII). This is where a lot of expansion has occured.
> clue uses a GlobalStar mobile if they are in those areas much.
Agreed. Telstra Mobile Satellite (Iridium) or Globalstar
> > Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and looked at
> > topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
>
> Or they have worked out that a base there is economic
> and that what you would prefer instead, aint.
>
> You get to like that or lump it.
Well said
Michael
When you can write facts and not rant, he will do the same
"budgie" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Michael
> > is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
> > Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
> >
>
> Rubbish. Optus has by far the best coverage in Australia's 2 cities
> (Melbourne & Sydney) and that's what counts. Can't even make a
I live in Melbourne and I disagree. But thanks for trying
call on
> Telstra MobileNet in a shopping centre without getting "Network Busy".
Sounds like youve got a problem. I used to work in a shopping centre and
never had problems calling with Telstra. But thanks for trying
>
>
Michael
"The magnificent Kwyjibo." <removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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Yeah, they arent regional cities at all. They are capitals
Hobart you could get away with calling a regional centre
Michael
> Wide?
good question!
> And what influence (if any) do you think this person may have on
> reviving Digital Update to it's former glory?
Head of TCW has good pull. But it still wouldnt happen
Jason
> > 60% of WA isn't all that big a proportion of Australia.
>
> Irrelevant. There will always be parts of Aust that arent ever
> going to be economic to cover with CDMA. Anyone with a
> clue uses a GlobalStar mobile if they are in those areas much.
Hang on a minute rod, are you trying to tell us that if telstra
invested (and it is an investment) a couple of billion covering say
the stretch of highway 1 between the WA border and about 100k west of
Ceduna in SA, that they wouldn't get extra revenue from all the
truckies, people driving to perth, and people on buses that are in
that area?
I'd like to see in a few month's time how much revenue is generated
from the Nhullabour roadhouse site that was recently installed. (They
should've made that site GSM as well coz city folk travelling over to
WA on the bus/car especially would make calls, send SMS, etc since its
the only site for hundreds of k's)
I can think of heaps of places that i've travelled to on buses &
trains in the last few years where we've stopped for 2 hours to
refuel/rewater/etc and there's actually a line up for the phone box
because there's no mobile coverage around. Microcells etc reused from
large events like the olympics and plonked into these areas would
generate heaps of revenue I would have thought.
Especially stuff like SMS where it doesn't matter if it's 3am - you
just want to reply to the message you got just for something to do.
I bet they could sell heaps of java games this way too - think about
it - kids get off the bus only half into their trip, and are so bored
that the latest java game at $15 sounds pretty good to them - and
their parents.
Jason
budgie
>He responded to your post adequately.
>When you can write facts and not rant, he will do the same
I'd like to see that happen ....
budgie
>> >> >"Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
>> >> >square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>> >>
>> >> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long way
>to
>> >go.
>> >
>> >Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the 2nd biggest digital network IN THE
>> >WORLD
>>
>> And it's still got a long way to go. 60% of WA isn't all that big a
>proportion
>> of Australia.
>
>Bullshit, take a look at WA, its bloody huge.
>Telstra CDMA covers 16% of Aus, and T GSM covers 6%, which is better than
>Optus, Voda, Orange CDMA and 3G.
>So the CDMA is just a fantastic achievement.
>
>> And with Tel$tra doing all those "clever" CDMA installs, like at the
>exchange
>> down the bottom of a hole (Nannup) with a 7km range, I guess it'll
>
>We went through that. Obviously Telstra wanted to cover the township of
>Nannup and thats what they achieved
We did indeed, and the result is still the same. Probably the world's smallest
coverage area for a CDMA site. Tel$tra, setting more records.
>> much more. Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and looked
>at
>> topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
>
>I think they know a bit more about it than you ever will
If only you knew.
>> >> only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it
>never
>> >will.
>> >
>> >This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
>> >
>> >Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything else,
>> >including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra
>GSM
>> >is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
>> >Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
>>
>> ?? You're the one telling us that Tel$tra CDMA is so good. I don't think
>it's
>> all that good.
>
>As a user of the network, I know its fantastic. You might want to get
>yourself a CDMA phone and try it yourself
Happen to have one actually. And I wouldn't describe 16% as "fantastic". Then
again, I'm not half-way up Ziggy's arse either.
>> As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the rest of the
>GSM
>> networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
(snip Tel$tra commercial)
sonic666
Typical comment from somebody who has there head shoved up there city arse
and does not think anybody else counts or should exsist elsewhere.
"Jeremy Quirke" <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> wrote in message
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sonic666
major highways. My understanding was that telstra had a contract to increase
these areas place another company which i can not remember who. So if this
is they are only doing as the government wants them to. As well as telstras
cdma coverage increasing so does optus as they use the same system. I have
to agree u will never have complete coverage with whatever system u use i
have both gsm and cdma when travelling in the country and some times never
work ( yes i do have external antenna for cdma). sat systems are no
gaurentee either as we have 1 for and sometime not very often it does not
have coverage. Hopefully one day in the near future we will have a system
that will work all the time everywhere at a good price.
> update website & phone number (after they didn't update them for 2
> years either)
>
> Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below? Seen a
> coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention which sites are
> GSM, CDMA or both.
>
>
http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=30405
>
> More places to make your mobile call - Telstra boosts coverage across
> Australia
>
>
> Australians either at work or on holidays are enjoying more mobile
> coverage than ever before, with Telstra installing 1,080 extra mobile
> base stations across the nation during 2003.
>
> The expansion of Telstra's GSM and CDMA networks saw more than four
> new base stations installed each working day last year.
>
> Acting Group Managing Director for Telstra Country Wide, Mr Lawrence
> Paratz, said the mobile program represented a three-fold increase in
> the number of new base stations installed compared with 2002.
>
> "Telstra has grown the total number of its mobile base stations
> nationally to 7,157 - a jump of almost 18 per cent in one year," he
> said.
>
> Mr Paratz said the most dramatic coverage improvements were in rural
> and regional Australia where just over half the new base stations were
> installed.
>
> "Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
> square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>
> grown by 670,000 square kilometers, or almost 83 per cent, since July
> 2000, transforming Australia's communications landscape.
>
> coverage across almost one-fifth of the Australian land mass.
>
> "This is changing the way our customers live and work in rural areas,"
> Mr Paratz said.
>
> "Included in our rollout over the past year is coverage to more than
> 275 towns, rural areas and segments of highways outside of
> metropolitan areas which have never before had mobile phone reception.
>
> "This includes towns like Wyandra and Eidsvold in Queensland, Bermagui
> and Gulargambone in New South Wales, Manangatang and Jamieson in
> Victoria, Arthur River and Anson's Bay in Tasmania, Saddleworth in
> South Australia, Badgingarra and Chittering in Western Australia and
> Ngukurr and Borroloola in the Northern Territory.
>
> "Mobile phones in regional Australia are improving communications in
> practical ways, such as helping farmers coordinate grain truck
> movements during harvest. It is also possible to use mobile messages
> to remotely monitor rainfall, check temperature and operate pumps.
>
> "Vets, plumbers, sales people and a range of rural workers can
> continue to run their businesses, make appointments or phone in orders
> while working in the paddocks or travelling vast distances," Mr Paratz
> said.
>
> Metropolitan areas have shared in the coverage boost in 2003 with
> additional Telstra mobile base stations installed in city and suburban
> locations.
>
> "Telstra's ongoing investment means that people travelling and working
> in cities are enjoying improved depth and quality of mobile coverage,"
> he said.
>
> "While it may be easier to catch a call from the boss, the freedom of
> a mobile phone also goes well with the Australian outdoor lifestyle
> and the summer holiday season."
>
> Some of the additional regional and rural places you can enjoy mobile
> coverage following Telstra's network enhancements in 2003:
>
> SA
> *Camels Hump (Booborwie), *Coffin Bay, Cowell, *Eden Valley, *Frances
> Southeast, *Glendambo (Stuart Hwy), *Hamley Bridge, Hwy South of Pt
> Augusta, *Leigh Creek, Mallala, *Mintaro, Mt Burr, *Naracoorte Caves,
> Nairne, *Owen, *Saddleworth, Snowtown, Stockwell Barossa Valley, *Swan
> Reach, *Yunta (Barrier Hwy).
>
> NT
> *Borroloola, *Barkly Roadhouse (Barkly Hwy), *Elliott, *Hermannsburg,
> *Lajamanu, Marraki Ridge (Arnhem hwy), *Ngukurr, *Numbulwar,
> *Oenpelli, *Ramingining, *Santa Teresa, *Timber Creek, *Yuendumu,
> Yulara Airport, *Ti Tree.
>
> WA
> Alexander Heights, Applecross West, Ardross, Ascot, *Badgingarra,
> Bedfordale East, Bedfordale West, Beverley, *Bidyadanga, Boddington
> North, Boddington South, Booragoon East, Boyanup, Broome South,
> Busselton West, Canna, Cannington, *Chittering, Como South,
> Cooloongup, Coral Bay, *Dandaragan, *Darkan South, Denmark West, East
> Vic Park (Devenish), Ellenbrook South, Embleton, Eneabba (Ocean Hill),
> *Eradu South, Frankland, Fremantle North, *Golden Grove, Gwelup, Halls
> Head, Huntingdale, Jandakot Nth, *Jerramungup East, Joondanna,
> Karratha West, Karratha West, *Lake King, Manjimup, Mawson, Mt
> Claremont, Mt Hawthorn Exchange, *Munglinup, Nannup, *Nannup South,
> Naval Base, *Northcliffe, *Overlander, *Pingrup East, *Quininup, St
> Martins, *Stirling Range, Tamala, Tambellup, Telfer Reef, Wangara,
> Welshpool South-West, *West Angelas, West Midland, *Westdale,
> *Widgiemooltha South, *Wiluna, *Yule.
>
> QLD
> Alpha Nth, *Arcadia Bay, Arundel, *Ban Ban, Beachmere, Beaudesert,
> Beerburrum, *Bollon (Balonne Hwy), Bonogin, Booval Shopping Centre,
> Boundary Hill, Buddina Burleigh Waters, *Burra/Pentland (Flinders
> Hwy), Caboolture East, Caboolture North - Carry-in, Calingunee,
> *Camooweal (Barkly Hwy), Cape Flattery, Captains Mt West, Carrara
> Markets, Carrara East, *Cecil Plains, Champion, *Chorregon
> (Landsborough Hwy), *Clare, *Clifton, *Clohesy (Kennedy Hwy), Connors
> Rivers, *Cooks Tank, Couran Cove, *Cracow, Mungungal, *Croydon,
> *Eidsvold, Elanora, The Pines Shopping Centre, Exe Creek, Florence,
> Garfield, Gilliat (Flinders Hwy), *Glanworth (West of Landsborough
> Hwy), *Glenden Plum Duff, Goombungee, Greendale South, *Gununa,
> Gympie-Cooroy Hwy, Half Tide Beach, Hamilton Island, Happy Valley,
> Fraser Island, Helensvale West, Hermit, Hodgson Range, Hollywell,
> *Horseshoe Bay, *Hutchison and Watopia, Jandowae, *Jericho (Capricorn
> Hwy), Joe's Hill, Johnstone South, Kelly's Ck, *Killarney, *Kogan,
> Lynd River, Mackay Harbour, *Macleay Island, *Malanda Reservoir,
> Marburg, Marcus Beach, Mermaid Waters, *Millaa Millaa, *Millaroo,
> Millmerran Power, Mons, Moore Park, *Morven (Warrego Hwy), Mt Bohle,
> Mt Perry, Mudgeeraba, Murray Spring, Musgrave Hill, Nerrena,
> *Newlands, Ningi New Sector, *Ninidigully (Carnarvon Hwy), *Nob,
> *Nonda, North Gladstone Industrial Zone, North Goonyella (Nth Moranbah
> mines), North Tivoli, Orchid Beach, *Palm Island, Palmview, Parkwood,
> Patrick Creek, Pickwick, *Picnic Bay, *Pony Hills and Lonesome,
> *Ravenshoe (Kennedy Hwy), River Heads, Rocky Shopping Fair (Park
> Avenue), *Rolleston, Rosewood (Landsborough Hwy), Runaway Bay,
> Runnymede, *Russell Island, Rydges Resort, Port Douglas, , Sandstone
> Point, Sardine C, Scartwater, *Shoalwater Bay, Silkwood, Sippy Creek,
> Southport South, *Spencer Gap (Peak Downs Hwy), Springbrook, *St
> Paul's, Stanwell, Stanwell Power/Smelter, Tangaloom, *Taylors Beach,
> *Thargomindah, *Thiers (SE of Quilpie), Toompine - Wyndeyer, Toorbul,
> *Tully Heads, Tweed Heads, Valdora, Valkyrie, Victoria Ck, *Walker
> Creek, *Expedition Range, *Wallumbilla, Wellshot, *Westmar (Moonie
> Hwy), *Wieambilla, Wild Horse Nth, Williams River & Elrose, *Willows
> (Capricorn Hwy), Witta, *Woodgate, *Wyaga (Gore Hwy), *Wyandra
> (Mitchell Hwy), Yamanto, Yaroomba, Yarrow Moultrie, *Yungaburra.
>
> VIC
> Aireys Inlet, Anglesea, Avalon, Ballarat South, *Blairgowrie North,
> Boort, Broadford North, Bruthen, *Bullioh (Murray Valley Hwy), Bullioh
> East (Murray Valley Hwy), *Cann River, Carwarp, *Chiltern, *Clunes,
> Cribb Point, *Corinella, *Cowangie, *Cullulleraine, Deakin
> Uni-Geelong, *Dunolly, Eaglehawk, Elmore, *Ensay, *Euroa, Falls Creek
> Village Bowl, *Flagstaff Hill, *Flowerdale, Galaquil, Geelong Beach
> West, *Hepburn Springs, *Heyfield, Hunters Hill, *Jamieson *Jan Juc,
> *Jeparit, Johanna, Kyneton Racecourse, Lara South, *Leitchville,
> *Linton, Loch South, Lorne/Cumberland, *Malmsbury, *Manangatang,
> *Marlo, Maryvale, *Merricks North, Milawa, *Minyip, Moolap, *Moriac,
> *Mornington East, *Mornington South, *Mt Baw Baw Village, Mt Clay, Mt
> Major New, Mt Moornapa, Mt Oberon, *Murrayville, *Nangiloc, *Newstead,
> Noorinbee, Nyah West, *Port Fairy Central, Portland Aluminium,
> Princetown, Pyramid Hill, Ravenswood, Rosebud South, *Rhyll, *Riddells
> Creek, *Safety Beach, *Sale East, *San Remo Central, Belmont,
> *Skipton, Stanhope, *Stratford, *Strathmerton, *Stuart Mill, *Talbot,
> *Tambo, *Terang, The Country Place, *Tongala, *Toolamba, *Tooradin,
> *Tower Hill, Traralgon, Traralgon Central, Traralgon West, Trawool
> Central, *Tyabb, Ultima, *Warneet East, Wendouree, *Winton,
> *Wonthaggi, Woomelang, Wye River, Yuulong.
>
> TAS
> *Ansons Bay, *Arthur River, Bridport, Burnie North West, *Cape Grim,
> Coles Bay, *Derby, Devonport, *Eaglehawk Neck, Eastlands, *Edith
> Creek, Fingal, *Gladstone, *Hayes Hill, Hobart Airport, Launceston
> Airport, *Lilydale, *Little Swanport (Tasman Hwy), *Marrawah, *Memana,
> Montagu, *Mt Cleveland, *Mt Tanner, Norwood, Railton, *Ridgley,
> *Savage River Mine, Taranna, *Togari, Ulverstone, Waratah, Wesley
> Vale, *Willis Hill, Wynyard.
>
> NSW
> *Adaminaby, *Adelong, Albion Park Reserve, *Andersons Hill, Appin,
> *Ardlethan Welman Trig, *Barellan Silos, *Barraroo, Bellata Haystack,
> *Bermagui, *Birralee, *Bogalo (Pine Ridge) *Booligal (Cobb Hwy),
> *Booroorban (Cobb Hwy), *Bourke Mt Oxley, *Buckambool, *Buckinguy,
> *Coonamble, *Candelo, *Captains Flat, *Carinda, Carrathool, Coffs
> Harbour North, *Colane, *Coolabah, *Warrington, *Coraki (Buckendoon),
> *Coronga Peak (Mitchell Hwy), *Crescent Head Water Reservoir,
> *Culburra-Orient Point, *Culcairn, *Cunjurong, Bendalong , Dapto,
> *Darlington Point, *Delta (Gwydir Hwy), Doyalson, *Eugowra, *Evans
> Head, Figtree, *Geurie, *Girilambone, *Glen Lyon Hill, *Gongolgon
> Remote, *Goodooga, *Grawin, *Gulargambone, *Halam Trig (Bruxner Hwy),
> *Hallidays Point, *Hamilton Park, *Harrington, *Henty, *Hilltop,
> *Karoo, *Korreo (Barrier Hwy), *Lake Cargelligo Ural Mountain, Lennox
> Heads, Liddell Coal & Allied, Lockhart, *Lower Cobham, *Lower Mt
> Druid, *MacCullochs Range, *Malua Bay, *Manildra, Manilla, Mt Baldwin,
> *Marra, *Mingoola Glenlyon Dam (Bruxner Hwy), *Molong, *Moonabung
> (Vacy), *Mooney Mooney, *Moruya, *Moruya Heads, *Mossgiel, *Mount
> Boppy, *Mt Delegate, *Mt Dering (Nth of Broken Hill), *Mt Shannon, Mt
> Thorley, *Mt Tingha, Nambucca Heads, *Nardoo, *Netley South, North
> Gosford, *Nymagee Mountain, *Oaklands Golf Course, *Old Bar, Parkes
> Clarinda Trig, *Patonga, Port Macquarie, *Portland, *Purnanga (White
> Cliffs), *Quambone, Sapphire Beach Sector (Coffs Harbour),
> Shellharbour, *Six Mile Tank, *Snubba (Snowy Mt Hwy), Somersby Quarry
> Rd, South West Rocks, *Springvale, *Stroud, *Stuarts Point, *Suffolk
> Park Reservoir, Tamworth Calala Lane, *Tarwoona Downs (Mitchell Hwy),
> *Tasman, Tamarang Station, *Tathra, Terrigal, *The Cottage, Thirroul,
> *Thule Hut, *Tibooburra (Silver City Hwy), *Tottenham, *Trundle Water
> Reservoir, Tumut,*Ungarie, *Urana, Wadalba (Pacific Hwy), *Wallarobba
> Range (Richardson Trig), Wamberal Reservoir, *Wambrook (Snowy Mt Hwy),
> *Waranary Hill, *Warwillah, *Weethalle, *Weilmoringle, *Wentworth,
> *Willotia (Sth of Menindee), *Wongarbon, *Wooli Reservoir, *Woy Woy ,
> *Yannergee (Premer), Yarrahapinni.
>
> ACT
> Barton Brisbane Ave, Cameron Ave ABS House, Canberra Parliament Hse,
> Canberra University, Gungahlin, John Gorton Building, Phillip Toc,
> Phillip Woden Plaza, Weston Creek.
>
> * Places that received mobile phone reception for the first time in
> 2003.
Rod Speed
>> budgie <m...@privacy.net> wrote
>>> Michael <mic...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> "Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers
>>>>>> approximately 1.5 million square kilometers
>>>>>> and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
>>>>> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60%
>>>>> of WA. Still a bloody long way to go.
>>>> Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the
>>>> 2nd biggest digital network IN THE WORLD
>>> And it's still got a long way to go.
>> Nope.
>>> 60% of WA isn't all that big a proportion of Australia.
>> Irrelevant. There will always be parts of Aust that arent ever
>> going to be economic to cover with CDMA. Anyone with a
>> clue uses a GlobalStar mobile if they are in those areas much.
> Hang on a minute rod,
You're the one hanging on to it boy. Let
it go before you end up completely blind.
> are you trying to tell us
I always succeed in telling children like you...
> that if telstra invested (and it is an investment) a couple
> of billion covering say the stretch of highway 1 between
> the WA border and about 100k west of Ceduna in SA, that
> they wouldn't get extra revenue from all the truckies, people
> driving to perth, and people on buses that are in that area?
Nope, saying nothing like that.
Even you must have noticed that that particular
highway is nothing like 60% of WA and only a
fart in the bath compared with the areas of the
entire country that dont have any CDMA coverage.
> I'd like to see in a few month's time how much
> revenue is generated from the Nhullabour
> roadhouse site that was recently installed.
Got sweet fuck all to do with whether it will ever
be economic to cover most of the rest of Aust
that doesnt currently have CDMA coverage.
> (They should've made that site GSM as well
Nope, GSM has a digital cliff at around 35K which
makes it pretty hopeless in that particular situation.
> coz city folk travelling over to WA on the bus/
> car especially would make calls, send SMS, etc
Anyone who do much of that gets a CDMA handset, stupid.
Telstra clearly doesnt consider that a GSM
base at those places is ever gunna pay for
itself in calls made using it. Bet they're right.
> since its the only site for hundreds of k's)
And anyone with a clue has a CDMA handset
or a GlobalStar handset if they are there much.
> I can think of heaps of places that i've travelled to on buses
> & trains in the last few years where we've stopped for 2
> hours to refuel/rewater/etc and there's actually a line up for
> the phone box because there's no mobile coverage around.
Got sweet fuck all to do with whether a
GSM base there would ever pay for itself.
> Microcells etc reused from large events like the olympics
Those werent binned, stupid.
> and plonked into these areas would generate
> heaps of revenue I would have thought.
Pity they wouldnt have a hope in hell of paying for a GSM base.
> Especially stuff like SMS where it doesn't matter if it's 3am - you
> just want to reply to the message you got just for something to do.
And you need quite a few of those at 25c to pay for a GSM base, child.
> I bet they could sell heaps of java games this way too
> - think about it - kids get off the bus only half into their
> trip, and are so bored that the latest java game at $15
> sounds pretty good to them - and their parents.
Anyone with a clue gets those before they leave, stupid.
Rod Speed
>>> Well Ive got news for you, Telstra GSM is far better
>>> than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM,
>>> Voda GSM, Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
>> Rubbish. Optus has by far the best coverage in Australia's 2 cities
>> (Melbourne & Sydney) and that's what counts. Can't even make a
> I live in Melbourne
Obvious lie, not even possibe. Exist, possibly.
> and I disagree.
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you might or might not disagree with in spades.
> But thanks for trying
No thanks for that pathetic excuse for bullshit.
>> call on Telstra MobileNet in a shopping
>> centre without getting "Network Busy".
> Sounds like youve got a problem. I used to work in a shopping centre
Obvious lie.
> and never had problems calling with Telstra. But thanks for trying
No thanks for that pathetic excuse for bullshit.
Rod Speed
sonic666 <seva...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gA4Lb.52$Zi2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> Isnt there a government policy for incresing
> coverage in country areas along major highways.
More than a policy, they've actually contracted that out.
> My understanding was that telstra had a contract
> to increase these areas place another company
> which i can not remember who.
Vodafone got that contract, nothing to do with Telstra.
> So if this is they are only doing as the government wants them to.
Its much more complicated than that.
> As well as telstras cdma coverage increasing
> so does optus as they use the same system.
Duh.
> I have to agree u will never have complete coverage with whatever system u use
You do with GlobalStar.
> i have both gsm and cdma when travelling
> in the country and some times never work
> ( yes i do have external antenna for cdma).
> sat systems are no gaurentee either
Wrong.
> as we have 1 for and sometime not
> very often it does not have coverage.
Wrong.
> Hopefully one day in the near future we will have a system
> that will work all the time everywhere at a good price.
Not a chance, you watch.
The evil Kwyjibo.
and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
>
>> I have to agree u will never have complete coverage with whatever
>> system u use
>
> You do with GlobalStar.
>
Not true.
I tried a GlobalStar phone while exploring the Buchan Caves in Victoria and
got no signal ;-)
--
Kwyj.
Jeremy Quirke
> Idiot get out in the real world and find out what is going on out here.
> Typical comment from somebody who has there head shoved up there city arse
> and does not think anybody else counts or should exsist elsewhere.
>
You rural Australians need to relax a bit I think.
Jeremy Quirke
"The magnificent Kwyjibo." <removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message news:Xns946AD5...@130.133.1.4...
Still a far call from 3.5 & 4 million.
>
> --
>
> Kwyj.
Rod Speed
> Kwyjibo <removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>> Jeremy Quirke <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> wrote
>>> Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are
>>> really very large regional centres.
>> Brisbane - Population 1.6 million
>> Adelaide - 1.2 million
>> Perth - 1.4 million
>> Fucking big 'regional centres' idiot.
> Still a far call from 3.5 & 4 million.
Irrelevant to whether they are state capitals or not.
Rod Speed
Kwyjibo <removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
in message news:Xns946AB0E...@130.133.1.4...
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> I have to agree u will never have complete
>>> coverage with whateversystem u use
>> You do with GlobalStar.
> Not true.
Fraid so.
> I tried a GlobalStar phone while exploring the
> Buchan Caves in Victoria and got no signal ;-)
You've been told that it wont work when
you shove it up your arse too, stupid.
Not covered by warranty either.
The staggering Kwyjibo.
and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and "Jeremy Quirke" <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> spake,
saying
>
> "The magnificent Kwyjibo." <removesdraw...@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote in message news:Xns946AD5...@130.133.1.4...
>> And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and
>> sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast
>> cereals, and fruit bats, and "Jeremy Quirke"
>> <jqu...@noiprimusspam.com.au> spake, saying
>>
>> >
>> > Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are really very large
>> > regional centres.
>>
>> Brisbane - Population 1.6 million
>> Adelaide - 1.2 million
>> Perth - 1.4 million
>>
>> Fucking big 'regional centres' idiot.
>
> Still a far call from 3.5 & 4 million.
>
And where does it state that you must have a population of 3.5M to be
considered a city?
--
Kwyj.
The staggering Kwyjibo.
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats,
and "Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> spake, saying
>
Haven't tried that yet. You got any KY handy?
> Not covered by warranty either.
Well shit a brick (or in this case - a sat phone....)
--
Kwyj.
Graham
>> (They should've made that site GSM as well
>
> Nope, GSM has a digital cliff at around 35K which
> makes it pretty hopeless in that particular situation.
His point was that a GSM site is useful at particular places, regardless
of whether or not there is continuous coverage. In the situation of a
popular bus stop or tourist attraction in the middle of nowhere, a GSM
base station covering 35k or less would be extremely useful to someone
wanting to check voicemail or send SMSs. What about this can you not
grasp?
As for the cost...obviously co-locating a GSM base station with a CDMA
base station is going to reduce the costs significantly. The cost of a
100 metre pole and site rental would make up a large percentage of the
cost of a base station.
Graham.
The stupendous Kwyjibo.
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats,
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:00:07 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>> (They should've made that site GSM as well
>>
>> Nope, GSM has a digital cliff at around 35K which
>> makes it pretty hopeless in that particular situation.
>
> His point was that a GSM site is useful at particular places, regardless
> of whether or not there is continuous coverage. In the situation of a
> popular bus stop or tourist attraction in the middle of nowhere, a GSM
> base station covering 35k or less would be extremely useful to someone
> wanting to check voicemail or send SMSs. What about this can you not
> grasp?
>
> As for the cost...obviously co-locating a GSM base station with a CDMA
> base station is going to reduce the costs significantly.
Reduce them - Yes.
Significantly - No
> The cost of a
> 100 metre pole and site rental would make up a large percentage of the
> cost of a base station.
You obviously have no idea what goes into a GSM base station.
--
Kwyj.
Graham
> You obviously have no idea what goes into a GSM base station.
Well why don't you enlighten us all then. Perhaps you can list all the
required components and their associated costs.
The excellent Kwyjibo.
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats,
and Graham <sup...@microsoft.com> spake, saying
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:32:19 +0000, The stupendous Kwyjibo. wrote:
>
>> You obviously have no idea what goes into a GSM base station.
>
> Well why don't you enlighten us all then. Perhaps you can list all the
> required components
Just off the top of my head:
Base transceiver station (normally more than one) - Basically the radio
equipment required to transmit/receive the GSM signal.
Base station controller (again, normally more than one) - Physically
connects the base transceiver station to the Mobile Switching Centre. Also
provides logic for cell handover, controls RF power output and stores all
of the cell configuration data.
> - and their associated costs.
Not certain on that one, but you can guarantee they are a shitload more
expensive than "a 100 metre pole and site rental"
--
Kwyj.
Neil Downe
Ja> Does anyone here live/holiday in the areas mentioned below? Seen a
Ja> coverage increase lately? :) Pity they don't mention which sites are
Ja> GSM, CDMA or both.
I know that some of the more popular Victorian holiday spots such as the
90 Mile Beach, Phillip Island, and in particular Cowes, parts of
Wilson's Prom and surrounding areas still have fuck all GSM coverage,
and patchy CDMA (and that's being generous).
If any of those regions were listed in that list, I would've been firing
up the letter writing machine.
Not that it'd do any good, but....
thegoons
Have to say I have gotten a lot more out of Doug Campbell and TCW than all
of the rest of Telstra put together. A polite e-mail usually results in
action and a response (even telephone call) from a TCW rep.
Rod Speed
Graham <sup...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.01.08....@microsoft.com...
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> (They should've made that site GSM as well
>> Nope, GSM has a digital cliff at around 35K which
>> makes it pretty hopeless in that particular situation.
> His point was that a GSM site is useful at particular places,
> regardless of whether or not there is continuous coverage.
What matters is whether its economically
viable to have GSM bases there. But it aint.
> In the situation of a popular bus stop or tourist attraction
> in the middle of nowhere, a GSM base station covering
> 35k or less would be extremely useful to someone
> wanting to check voicemail or send SMSs.
And its far from clear if there are actually enough of those
who havent chosen to go for CDMA to make those additional
GSM bases economically viable, additional to CDMA.
> What about this can you not grasp?
You're the one with your dick in your hand, as usual.
> As for the cost...obviously co-locating a GSM base station with
> a CDMA base station is going to reduce the costs significantly.
Bet that would make fuck all difference to the cost of GSM there.
> The cost of a 100 metre pole and site rental would make
> up a large percentage of the cost of a base station.
Not a fucking clue. As always.
Graham
>> The cost of a 100 metre pole and site rental would make
>> up a large percentage of the cost of a base station.
>
> Not a fucking clue. As always.
OK, Rod, if I have no clue, please demonstrate that you do. Please
enlighten us of the exact cost of all the neccessary parts of a base
station, seeing as you seem to know everything.
Graham.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Graham <sup...@microsoft.com> wrote
>>> The cost of a 100 metre pole and site rental would make
>>> up a large percentage of the cost of a base station.
>> Not a fucking clue. As always.
> OK, Rod, if I have no clue, please demonstrate that you do.
No need. Anyone with a clue, which obviously counts you out,
realises that poles dont cost anything like what the base costs.
> Please enlighten us of the exact cost of
> all the neccessary parts of a base station,
No need to be 'exact' about it, cretin.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to consider
even just a GSM microcell as an alternative to a public phone
inside that roadhouse, and if someone was ever silly enough
to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, even someone
as stupid as you should realise the difference in cost of those two.
And the public phone would have to be there anyway.
Graham
>> Please enlighten us of the exact cost of
>> all the neccessary parts of a base station,
>
> No need to be 'exact' about it, cretin.
Ahhh, the great Rod Speed, Mr know-it-all, doesn't seem to know on this
occasion. My my. Covering your lack of knowledge with insults fools
no-one, fool.
Rod Speed
Graham <sup...@microsoft.com> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:pan.2004.01.09....@microsoft.com...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.
Try harder, fuckwit, or do the decent thing and top yourself.
thegoons
prepaid) of their plans roam onto Telstra CDMA anyway.
"Michael" <mic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:A92Lb.288$Wa....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >> >"Telstra's digital CDMA network now covers approximately 1.5 million
> > >> >square kilometers and 98.3 per cent of the population," he said.
> > >>
> > >> 1.5 millions qkm. Wow. that's like 60% of WA. Still a bloody long
way
> to
> > >go.
> > >
> > >Hardly. Telstra's CDMA network is the 2nd biggest digital network IN
THE
> > >WORLD
> >
> > And it's still got a long way to go. 60% of WA isn't all that big a
> proportion
> > of Australia.
>
> Bullshit, take a look at WA, its bloody huge.
> Telstra CDMA covers 16% of Aus, and T GSM covers 6%, which is better than
> Optus, Voda, Orange CDMA and 3G.
> So the CDMA is just a fantastic achievement.
>
> > And with Tel$tra doing all those "clever" CDMA installs, like at the
> exchange
> > down the bottom of a hole (Nannup) with a 7km range, I guess it'll
>
> We went through that. Obviously Telstra wanted to cover the township of
> Nannup and thats what they achieved
>
> > much more. Pity they haven't worked out much about propagation and
looked
> at
> > topo maps instead of heading for the easy/cheap install at the exchange.
>
> I think they know a bit more about it than you ever will
>
> > >> only goes to show that GSM has even further to go - and of course it
> never
> > >will.
> > >
> > >This is the problem with idiots like you, Budgie.
> > >
> > >Because Telstra CDMA is so good, you seem to think that everything
else,
> > >including Telstra GSM, is inferior. Well Ive got news for you, Telstra
> GSM
> > >is far better than all the other networks, such as Optus GSM, Voda GSM,
> > >Orange CDMA and Hutch 3G
> >
> > ?? You're the one telling us that Tel$tra CDMA is so good. I don't
think
> it's
> > all that good.
>
> As a user of the network, I know its fantastic. You might want to get
> yourself a CDMA phone and try it yourself
>
> > As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the rest of
the
> GSM
> > networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
>
> Telstra GSM is the best GSM network in Australia. Telstra CDMA is ever
> better. Out of the 4 national networks, the top two are Telstra. Fantastic
> achievement
>
>
Craig
wrote:
>
>Nope. There are fuck all places where there is GSM coverage
>but no CDMA coverage. If there is actually anywhere at all.
>
Ponalowie bay campground SA
Hoskinstown NSW
just 2 off the top of my head.
Rod, you really should get out more...
Rod Speed
Craig <f...@gjh.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> There are fuck all places where there is GSM coverage
>> but no CDMA coverage. If there is actually anywhere at all.
> Ponalowie bay campground SA
> Hoskinstown NSW
> just 2 off the top of my head.
> Rod, you really should get out more...
Not interested in pov cesspits like those thanks.
Michael
> >> (Melbourne & Sydney) and that's what counts. Can't even make a
>
> > I live in Melbourne
>
> Obvious lie, not even possibe. Exist, possibly.
Oh, ok Rod
> >> call on Telstra MobileNet in a shopping
> >> centre without getting "Network Busy".
>
> > Sounds like youve got a problem. I used to work in a shopping centre
>
> Obvious lie.
Is it? Oh, ok Rod
Michael
"thegoons" <theg...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Bit useless to compare with Orange CDMA, considering that all (excpet
> prepaid) of their plans roam onto Telstra CDMA anyway.
Not really. It goes to show what kind of effort Orange put into their
coverage
Michael
> >exchange
> >> down the bottom of a hole (Nannup) with a 7km range, I guess it'll
> >
> >We went through that. Obviously Telstra wanted to cover the township of
> >Nannup and thats what they achieved
>
smallest
> coverage area for a CDMA site. Tel$tra, setting more records.
Hardly. 7km diameter is probably larger than the median for a CDMA install.
Not all of them are island country cells.
> >As a user of the network, I know its fantastic. You might want to get
> >yourself a CDMA phone and try it yourself
>
> Happen to have one actually. And I wouldn't describe 16% as "fantastic".
Then
> again, I'm not half-way up Ziggy's arse either.
16% is fantastic. Its more than double the AMPS network, which had a growth
phase of 8 yrs. CDMA beat that in 2 yrs.
> >> As for your news, that's no news. Tel$tra GSM sucks, and the rest of
the
> >GSM
> >> networks suck even more. We all knew that already.
>
> (snip Tel$tra commercial)
Snip your own bitter rantings on mobile coverage. Go buy a Telstra Mobile
Satellite phone
Michael
> >
> > going to be economic to cover with CDMA. Anyone with a
> > clue uses a GlobalStar mobile if they are in those areas much.
>
> Hang on a minute rod, are you trying to tell us that if telstra
> invested (and it is an investment) a couple of billion covering say
> the stretch of highway 1 between the WA border and about 100k west of
> Ceduna in SA, that they wouldn't get extra revenue from all the
> truckies, people driving to perth, and people on buses that are in
> that area?
Insufficient revenue to cover the Nullabor. Simply not enough people
travelling it and using their phones
> I'd like to see in a few month's time how much revenue is generated
> from the Nhullabour roadhouse site that was recently installed. (They
> should've made that site GSM as well coz city folk travelling over to
> WA on the bus/car especially would make calls, send SMS, etc since its
> the only site for hundreds of k's)
Sorry, its barely profitable as a site at all, and it has to be CDMA to be
relevant
> I can think of heaps of places that i've travelled to on buses &
> trains in the last few years where we've stopped for 2 hours to
> refuel/rewater/etc and there's actually a line up for the phone box
> because there's no mobile coverage around. Microcells etc reused from
> large events like the olympics and plonked into these areas would
> generate heaps of revenue I would have thought.
You obviously dont know much
A queue of 5 people using a phone box is not many people and not many calls.
Needs to be used a lot more heavily than that
Michael
> > makes it pretty hopeless in that particular situation.
>
> His point was that a GSM site is useful at particular places, regardless
> of whether or not there is continuous coverage. In the situation of a
> popular bus stop or tourist attraction in the middle of nowhere, a GSM
> base station covering 35k or less would be extremely useful to someone
> wanting to check voicemail or send SMSs. What about this can you not
> grasp?
Its not viable to plonk a GSM base at the point you mention.
Only a CDMA base could possibly be relevant. All the far out places are all
CDMA
Go check out the Telstra CDMA coverage maps, and look at all the TSII
government funded bases for Victoria (as an example). 35 or so CDMA bases, 1
is GSM
CDMA is the future for geographical coverage.;
> As for the cost...obviously co-locating a GSM base station with a CDMA
> base station is going to reduce the costs significantly. The cost of a
Its going to double the cost of the install just about. hardly even viable
as a CDMA, now the combo is going to be unviable
> 100 metre pole and site rental would make up a large percentage of the
> cost of a base station.
Nope. To rent 20 sqm in the middle of nowhere would cost chickenfeed
>
> Graham.
>
Michael
"sonic666" <seva...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Idiot get out in the real world and find out what is going on out here.
> Typical comment from somebody who has there head shoved up there city arse
> and does not think anybody else counts or should exsist elsewhere.
You country folk arent viable at all
You should be grateful for all the CDMA mobile coverage you get, its all
subsidised by us city folk using our phones so much
Stupid cocky
Michael
Why dont YOU, Graham.
Sound like you got your nose rubbed into it rather comprehensively and now
you are embarassed
>
> Graham.
>
Michael
> 90 Mile Beach, Phillip Island, and in particular Cowes, parts of
Rhyll is getting a government funded TSII base so that should be ok.
90 mile beach? hardly anyone down there to cover. Ill be there next week
though so Ill check it out
> Wilson's Prom and surrounding areas still have fuck all GSM coverage,
> and patchy CDMA (and that's being generous).
Wilsons promontory has fine CDMA coverage. I holidayed there a while ago
> If any of those regions were listed in that list, I would've been firing
> up the letter writing machine.
>
> Not that it'd do any good, but....
Why dont you check out Telstra's list of TSII government funded bases? These
are bases to be erected where the government has used criteria to determine
reasonable population centres that dont yet have coverage. Only Rhyll (part
of Phillip island) fit their criteria, your areas dont
>
>
Michael
Must send them a few emails then.
>
>
Michael
> > > GSM coverage maps in over 2 years and they did away with the
> >
> > Thanks for trying
>
> Your welcome.
>
> > but DO check your facts before calling again
> > Telstra released GSM maps 13 last year, April 2003.
>
> Yes, but for SA at least, they may as well just have reprinted the
> previous version and stuck a new date on it. Seems Telstra staff have
> no pink bits left to show us :)
That means, obviously, that Telstra dont intend to put any new GSm coverage
in SA. (geographical)
The Telstra GSM network is very mature and you wont see many patches of new
geographic coverage coming up. You will see a lot of coverage enhancement,
especially in building, in existing areas.
Telstra CDMA is still undergoing geographical expansion, especially with
government funded TSII bases. Check out Telstras web site. You may find CDMA
more appropriate to the areas you live, work or travel to
>
> Jason
Michael
> Isnt there a government policy for incresing coverage in country areas
along
> major highways. My understanding was that telstra had a contract
Major Highways contract went to Voda. Details on Voda's web site
> have coverage. Hopefully one day in the near future we will have a system
> that will work all the time everywhere at a good price.
We already have two of them.
Telstra GSM and CDMA
The despicable Kwyjibo.
and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
>> I know that some of the more popular Victorian holiday spots such as
>> the 90 Mile Beach, Phillip Island, and in particular Cowes, parts of
>
> Rhyll is getting a government funded TSII base so that should be ok.
>
> 90 mile beach? hardly anyone down there to cover. Ill be there next
> week though so Ill check it out
>
The Golden Beach area is patchy at best. Lochsport seems OK though.
--
Kwyj.
budgie
ROFL
will kemp
> > only goes to show that GSM has even
> > further to go - and of course it never will.
> Corse it wont, we have two different networks for a reason, stupid.
too right! and the reason is that telecoms in this country is controlled
by a bunch of fuckwits!
Michael
system
> >> that will work all the time everywhere at a good price.
> >
> >We already have two of them.
> >Telstra GSM and CDMA
>
> ROFL
Is that the best contribution you could make?
budgie
It's the real reaction to your post. Sorry if the truth offends you.
Rod Speed
will kemp <wi...@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
Correct. But I'd rather have a choice myself with GSM being
much better in a number of respects, particularly having a SIM
that allows you to use most handsets when thats convenient,
and with a much better choice of decent handsets than CDMA.
You dont agree ? Stiff shit, bozo.
thomo
in Another Rod Speed Excretion (ARSE)
"Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Martin Taylor
Mi> Why dont you check out Telstra's list of TSII government funded bases?
Mi> These are bases to be erected where the government has used criteria to
Where can we see this list (and what does TSII stand for?)
Martin Taylor
>> 90 mile beach? hardly anyone down there to cover. Ill be there next
>> week though so Ill check it out
Td> The Golden Beach area is patchy at best. Lochsport seems OK though.
Loch Sport has a population of about 1,500 or thereabouts, which goes up
and down significantly during holiday seasons.
The Ninety Mile Beach, while sparsely populated, swells significantly
during holiday season.
A region to compare is Mount Hotham. Fuck all people live there, but it
has excellent CDMA and GSM coverage.
Its population too, swells during the snow season. Why then do a lot of
the seaside resorts miss out, whereas most of the ski resorts do not?
budgie
Ziggy likes skiing?
John Henderson
> Where can we see this list
http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/networks/coverage/tsii.cfm
> (and what does TSII stand for?)
"Telecommunications Service Inquiry Initiative"
John
Graham
> A region to compare is Mount Hotham. Fuck all people live there, but it
> has excellent CDMA and GSM coverage.
>
> Its population too, swells during the snow season. Why then do a lot of
> the seaside resorts miss out, whereas most of the ski resorts do not?
I remember there was a lot of attention drawn to the fact that Optus had
no coverage on one of the mountains used for skiing about 12 months ago
when a guy went missing and they couldn't contact him on his Optus mobile
due to there being no coverage. Optus came in with a cherry picker and
attached an antenna to it, and Telstra came in to connect it to the local
phone network. Attention like that can make the networks look bad when
people go missing and freeze to death. Could be an explanation.
Graham.
Rod Speed
Martin Taylor <mjp...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote
>>> 90 mile beach? hardly anyone down there to cover.
>>> Ill be there next week though so Ill check it out
>> The Golden Beach area is patchy
>> at best. Lochsport seems OK though.
> Loch Sport has a population of about 1,500 or thereabouts,
> which goes up and down significantly during holiday seasons.
> The Ninety Mile Beach, while sparsely populated,
> swells significantly during holiday season.
> A region to compare is Mount Hotham. Fuck all people
> live there, but it has excellent CDMA and GSM coverage.
> Its population too, swells during the snow season.
> Why then do a lot of the seaside resorts miss out,
> whereas most of the ski resorts do not?
The ski resorts are a lot more concentrated, stupid.
Rod Speed
> Martin Taylor wrote
Nope, its obviously because the ski resorts are much more concentrated, stupid.
Presumably you actually are that stupid.
thomo
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"Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Martin Taylor
Gr> I remember there was a lot of attention drawn to the fact that Optus had
Gr> no coverage on one of the mountains used for skiing about 12 months ago
Gr> when a guy went missing and they couldn't contact him on his Optus mobile
Gr> due to there being no coverage. Optus came in with a cherry picker and
Gr> attached an antenna to it, and Telstra came in to connect it to the local
Gr> phone network. Attention like that can make the networks look bad when
Gr> people go missing and freeze to death. Could be an explanation.
Might be.
Thing is, I hear people saying that when venturing into such areas, they
should take their mobiles. To me, that's utter bullshit. Once you get a
few kays from places like Hotham, Baw Baw and Falls Creek, the coverage
drops right off.
What they SHOULD be saying is to take an EPIRB with you.
Albinus
> better. Out of the 4 national networks, the top two are Telstra. Fantastic
> achievement
Saying one carrier is the "best" is just like saying one colour is the
"best" over another. Jeremy is right in the sense that Optus has the
greatest in-depth coverage in the major capital cities (excluding Perth).
Telstra has the greatest coverage in terms of geographic area. Vodafone is
the "best" in some areas, such as the Bruce Hwy between Gympie and
Rockhampton.
No one carrier is the "best".
Albinus.
will kemp
> >> Corse it wont, we have two different networks for a reason, stupid.
> > too right! and the reason is that telecoms in
> > this country is controlled by a bunch of fuckwits!
> Correct. But I'd rather have a choice myself with GSM being
> much better in a number of respects, particularly having a SIM
> that allows you to use most handsets when thats convenient,
> and with a much better choice of decent handsets than CDMA.
> You dont agree ? Stiff shit, bozo.
i definitely agree with gsm being better, but i'd rather not have to make
the choice to use cdma. if cdma had never been inflicted on us, we could
have had the same coverage with just one system by now - gsm, which is
far superior, and has capability to cover at least the same range as cdma.
i mean, really, how fucking dumb... having two parallel mobile phone
networks operated by the same company, requiring doubling up cells in all
urban areas with barely-used cdma just so silly cunts like me can come in
from the bush and still use our poxy cdma phones! it's no wonder tel$cum
have to charge more than anyone else!
it might make sense in seppo-land, where the bollocks comes from, as, by
all accounts, most mobile networks are only local anyway, but it doesn't
make sense here.
it gives me the shits when i get crap reception in the city on cdma - with
full signal strength. don't ask me why - the mobile phone equivalent of
vhf-tv "ghosting", maybe? but i've got a gsm phone to make outgoing calls
on, so it's only halfway crap! ;-)
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Corse it wont, we have two different
>>>> networks for a reason, stupid.
>>> too right! and the reason is that telecoms in
>>> this country is controlled by a bunch of fuckwits!
>> Correct. But I'd rather have a choice myself with GSM being
>> much better in a number of respects, particularly having a SIM
>> that allows you to use most handsets when thats convenient,
>> and with a much better choice of decent handsets than CDMA.
>> You dont agree ? Stiff shit, bozo.
> i definitely agree with gsm being better, but i'd
> rather not have to make the choice to use cdma.
Sure, but nothing else is possible in a country this size.
GSM just aint practical for anything like complete
coverage because of the digital cliff that GSM has.
> if cdma had never been inflicted on us, we could have
> had the same coverage with just one system by now
Not a fucking clue, as always.
> - gsm, which is far superior, and has capability
> to cover at least the same range as cdma.
Not a fucking clue, as always. Not with anything
like the same number of bases it hasnt.
> i mean, really, how fucking dumb...
Yep, that describes you to a T.
> having two parallel mobile phone networks operated
> by the same company, requiring doubling up cells in
> all urban areas with barely-used cdma
Not a fucking clue, as always. You dont need anything like
the same base density with CDMA as GSM, particularly
when the bulk of customers are on the GSM network.
> just so silly cunts like me can come in from
> the bush and still use our poxy cdma phones!
Anyone with a clue has a cheap GSM
phone for use in those situations, cretin.
> it's no wonder tel$cum have to
> charge more than anyone else!
Utterly mangled all over again. Yes, the CDMA system is more
expensive to use than GSM, particularly if you make few calls
and mostly receive them, but thats the problem for the hicks
that need CDMA phones. They get to pay for that network.
And they do. It isnt subsidised by the Telstra GSM network.
> it might make sense in seppo-land, where the bollocks comes from,
> as, by all accounts, most mobile networks are only local anyway,
Not a fucking clue, as always.
> but it doesn't make sense here.
Not a fucking clue, as always. Its never gunna be feasible
to have the coverage we have with CDMA using GSM, fool.
> it gives me the shits when i get crap reception in the city
> on cdma - with full signal strength. don't ask me why -
> the mobile phone equivalent of vhf-tv "ghosting", maybe?
Nope, just your piece of shit handset.
> but i've got a gsm phone to make outgoing
> calls on, so it's only halfway crap! ;-)
And that approach costs peanuts, so stop whining, cretin.
Jason
> will kemp <wi...@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
> news:bu37m2$5gg$1...@merki.connect.com.au...
> > Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > to cover at least the same range as cdma.
>
> Not a fucking clue, as always. Not with anything
> like the same number of bases it hasnt.
But what about half rate, Rod? It's already in use by one of the
networks in the mid-north of SA (forget which carrier - around
lochiel/balaklava region i think - a google on this group was
unsuccessful in finding the thread it was mentioned in) to get over
the 35kms limit.
Surely when it comes to rural/remote tourist areas (like I was talking
about eariler in this thread), surely GSM customers would prefer poor
voice quality to nothing at all/buying a CDMA phone? I know I would.
Jason
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> will kemp <wi...@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> - gsm, which is far superior, and has capability
>>> to cover at least the same range as cdma.
>> Not a fucking clue, as always. Not with anything
>> like the same number of bases it hasnt.
> But what about half rate, Rod?
It aint half rate that matters, and that still doesnt
give anything like what cdma can do anyway.
> It's already in use by one of the networks in the mid-north
> of SA (forget which carrier - around lochiel/balaklava region
> i think - a google on this group was unsuccessful in finding
> the thread it was mentioned in) to get over the 35kms limit.
Yeah, it does get a bit of use in this
country, but its nothing like cdma coverage.
> Surely when it comes to rural/remote tourist areas (like I was
> talking about eariler in this thread), surely GSM customers would
> prefer poor voice quality to nothing at all/buying a CDMA phone?
You're comprehensively mangling two entirely separate issues there.
Most of the tourist areas do have GSM coverage.
Most of the national highways do now too.
> I know I would.
The cheapest cdma phones dont cost much, particularly the gullivers.
Graeme Willox
> will kemp <wi...@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
> news:bu37m2$5gg$1...@merki.connect.com.au...
>>it's no wonder tel$cum have to
>>charge more than anyone else!
>
>
> Utterly mangled all over again. Yes, the CDMA system is more
> expensive to use than GSM, particularly if you make few calls
> and mostly receive them, but thats the problem for the hicks
> that need CDMA phones. They get to pay for that network.
> And they do. It isnt subsidised by the Telstra GSM network.
How is CDMA more expensive to use than GSM?
Rod Speed
Graeme Willox <graeme...@tpg.com.au> wrote
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>>> it's no wonder tel$cum have to
>>> charge more than anyone else!
>> Utterly mangled all over again. Yes, the CDMA system is more
>> expensive to use than GSM, particularly if you make few calls
>> and mostly receive them, but thats the problem for the hicks
>> that need CDMA phones. They get to pay for that network.
>> And they do. It isnt subsidised by the Telstra GSM network.
> How is CDMA more expensive to use than GSM?
Basically because there is very little competition with
cdma, you dont get the same choice of very low cost
plans that you get with GSM. No equivalent of the AAPT
plan for example, a very decent call rate and no flagfall.
There's quite a few GSM plans with no effective access fee at
all, and thats what you need for phone thats either an emergency
phone or one used almost all the time to receive calls.
Just another example of where real
competition makes a noticeable difference.
John Henderson
> But what about half rate, Rod? It's already in use by one of
> the networks in the mid-north of SA (forget which carrier -
> around lochiel/balaklava region i think - a google on this
> group was unsuccessful in finding the thread it was mentioned
> in) to get over the 35kms limit.
You're probably thinking of extended range (72 km) or enhanced
extended range (about 121 km).
A major downside for the telco is that the number of simultaneous
calls possible is halved.
An additional downside is that these cells do not support GPRS
(even when within 35 km range).
John
Graeme Willox
Ok. I see what you're saying now. I didn't realise you were comparing
options from various carriers. I thought you were comparing Telstra
CDMA to Telstra GSM. But I see what you're getting at now.
Rod Speed
Graeme Willox <graeme...@tpg.com.au> wrote
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> Rod Speed wrote
Yeah, and Telstra GSM has never been very attractive for
that sort of handset use. They appear to have decided that
that sort of customer isnt of any interest to them and leave
them to the others like Vodafone and AAPT and the slut.
Telstra doesnt even have the equivalent of the Optarse
Usage Only Plan which isnt bad value for that sort of use,
particularly no flagfall which makes short calls quite cheap.
I basically get those for about a landline local call charge.
AAPT is even cheaper but its prepaid and I've
not a pov, drug pusher or child, so I dont qualify.
Michael
> the choice to use cdma. if cdma had never been inflicted on us, we could
> have had the same coverage with just one system by now - gsm, which is
> far superior, and has capability to cover at least the same range as cdma.
Sorry, but thats rubbish, utterly.
GSM could never ever cover what CDMA covers as anything close to the cost,
due to the 35km hard limit on GSM
> i mean, really, how fucking dumb... having two parallel mobile phone
> networks operated by the same company, requiring doubling up cells in all
> urban areas with barely-used cdma just so silly cunts like me can come in
> from the bush and still use our poxy cdma phones! it's no wonder tel$cum
> have to charge more than anyone else!
Sorry, but its actually cheaper overall this way.
Michael
> expensive to use than GSM, particularly if you make few calls
CDMA is not more expensive than GSM
99% of Telstra plans apply both to CDMA and GSM
Indeed some special promotions only applied to CDMA