Two hundred 4WD_owners "Boohhhhed.." Telstra Mobile rep from their April 07 AGM?
gnh...@gmail.com
April 2007 in N.S.W. two hundred 4WD_owners invited a Telstra Mobile
rep to there three days annual meeting.
The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush, remote- non
remote areas.
Telstra Mobile rep took the stand, explaining the new products of
Telstra Mobile 2007, 2008.
At questions time the Telstra Mobile rep asked some feed-back from the
4WD_owner-drivers.
The question time turned into a series of complaints about Telstra
Mobile services in the bush.
All questions about services from Telstra not working at all, partly
working or overcharging errors not rectified TIO incompetence,
impossibilty to receive help, problems not being fixed after months of
complaints, etc...
After two days the Telstra Mobile rep was totally overwhelmed by the
many legitimate complaints.
The third day the 4WD_owners realized all the answers from the Telstra
Mobile rep were cosmetic.
The Telstra Mobile rep not only could not answer the questions but
could not present any of his products
The Telstra Mobile rep was "boohhhheddddd...» and decided to leave the
meeting on the third day.
A lack of trust clearly surfaced between the two hundred 4WD_owners-
drivers and Telstra Mobile.
The Telstra rep tried to sell «inexistent, unreliable, over expensive
«Telstra Mobile services to serious 4WDrivers, where the existence of
mobile telecommunications can result in a life and death situation.
The management of Telstra Mobile still does not get it.
Big difference between selling "crap" services + prices to Australian
kids and selling "crap services" to Australian adult.
Georges
Paul Day
> The Telstra rep tried to sell ??inexistent, unreliable, over expensive
> ??Telstra Mobile services to serious 4WDrivers, where the existence of
If they're relying purely on a land-based mobile system to get them out
of said "life and death situation", they can't exactly be "serious
4WDrivers", can they...
And please stop cross-post-spamming like this. And if you do insist on
cross-posting instead of engaging your brain to determine the most
appropriate group, learn how to set a single "Followup-To" group.
PD
--
Paul Day
Two Bob
> of said "life and death situation", they can't exactly be "serious
> 4WDrivers", can they...
Good point, actually. The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF
radios, and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone, (if
there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
Rod Speed
> Paul Day <pa...@enigma.id.au> wrote:
>> If they're relying purely on a land-based mobile system to get them out of said "life and death
>> situation", they can't exactly be "serious 4WDrivers", can they...
Fantasy.
> Good point, actually.
Nope.
> The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF radios,
Pig ignorant lie.
> and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone,
Makes a lot more sense to have that before UHF and
HF radios and a hell of a lot cheaper than those too.
> (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
Paul Day
I was more thinking just an EPIRB...
PD
--
Paul Day
Two Bob
>>> of said "life and death situation", they can't exactly be "serious
>>> 4WDrivers", can they...
>
> Fantasy.
>
>> Good point, actually.
>
> Nope.
>
>> The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF radios,
>
> Pig ignorant lie.
>
>> and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone,
>
> Makes a lot more sense to have that before UHF and
> HF radios and a hell of a lot cheaper than those too.
UHF has no costs at all after purchase, and HF only cost is the licence
unless you use radphone.
>> (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out
>> back.
>
> 4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
Clueless, as usual.
Two Bob
>> > of said "life and death situation", they can't exactly be "serious
>> > 4WDrivers", can they...
> <
>> Good point, actually. The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF
>> radios, and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone, (if
>> there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
>
> I was more thinking just an EPIRB...
An EPIRB cant be used as a 2 way communication device.
Paul Day
> > (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
>
> 4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
Yeah, think of all those Mum's with dodgey NextG handsets getting stuck
on the curbs at the shopping centre! ;)
PD
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Paul Day
Paul Day
> >> Good point, actually. The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF
> >> radios, and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone, (if
> >> there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
> >
> > I was more thinking just an EPIRB...
>
> An EPIRB cant be used as a 2 way communication device.
That's right, but it'll get you help in a "life or death situation",
which the OP claimed he needed a terrestrial mobile phone for...
PD
--
Paul Day
Rod Speed
>>>> If they're relying purely on a land-based mobile system to get
>>>> them out of said "life and death situation", they can't exactly be
>>>> "serious 4WDrivers", can they...
>> Fantasy.
>>> Good point, actually.
>> Nope.
>>> The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF radios,
>> Pig ignorant lie.
>>> and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone,
>> Makes a lot more sense to have that before UHF and
>> HF radios and a hell of a lot cheaper than those too.
> UHF has no costs at all after purchase,
Duh, pity about the very limited range.
> and HF only cost is the licence unless you use radphone.
Pity about the cost and reliability of it.
>>> (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
>> 4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
> Clueless, as usual.
Your sig is supposed to have a --- above it, cretin.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
>> 4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
> Yeah, think of all those Mum's with dodgey NextG handsets
> getting stuck on the curbs at the shopping centre! ;)
Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be able to do better than that pathetic effort.
Rod Speed
Irrelevant to whether it makes a lot more sense than farting about with HF.
gnh...@gmail.com
Windmills or jack hammers or %#@#@@ can also be used as a 2 way
communication device.
Georges
Paul Day
> Your sig is supposed to have a --- above it, cretin.
My God! Roddles is wrong! Now here's a first. ;)
May I be so bold as to suggest Rod takes a look at RFC 3676?
PD
--
Paul Day
Two Bob
>
>>>> The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF radios,
>
>>> Pig ignorant lie.
>
>>>> and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone,
>
>>> Makes a lot more sense to have that before UHF and
>>> HF radios and a hell of a lot cheaper than those too.
>
>> UHF has no costs at all after purchase,
>
> Duh, pity about the very limited range.
Duh, pity you know very little about how they use UHF and repeaters in the
outback.
>> and HF only cost is the licence unless you use radphone.
>
> Pity about the cost and reliability of it.
Yes, it is very expensive. Reliability seems to be acceptable for the RFD.
Rod Speed
>>>>> The bare minimum comms for 4wd would be UHF and HF radios,
>>>> Pig ignorant lie.
>>>>> and for those with a fair dinkum bank account, a sat phone,
>>>> Makes a lot more sense to have that before UHF and
>>>> HF radios and a hell of a lot cheaper than those too.
>>> UHF has no costs at all after purchase,
>> Duh, pity about the very limited range.
> Duh, pity you know very little about how they use UHF and repeaters in the outback.
Doesnt work where you need HF, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
A globalstar phone and an EPIRB leave both for dead cost wise for life and death situations, fool.
>>> and HF only cost is the licence unless you use radphone.
>> Pity about the cost and reliability of it.
> Yes, it is very expensive. Reliability seems to be acceptable for the RFD.
Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses a globalstar phone and an EPIRB for real life and death
situations.
And the bulk of the RFD installations arent in 4WDs anyway, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit
artist.
>>>>> (if there is one at the time). A mobile phone is next to useless out back.
>>>> 4WDs aint just used in the outback, cretin.
>>> Clueless, as usual.
>> Your sig is supposed to have a -- above it, cretin.
davmel
> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses a globalstar phone and an EPIRB for real life and death
> situations.
Sorry, but anyone with a Globalstar phone in a life and death situation
will most likely die before an operational sat comes over the horizon
thanks to their rapidly deteriorating constellation.
Anyone that values their life has already dumped their now almost
useless Globalstar handsets and moved to Iridium and other 'working'
solutions.
Two Bob
> real life and death situations.
How does YOUR globalstar phone and EPIRB perform? Obviously you have them,
cause you have a clue on everything.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses a globalstar phone and an EPIRB for real life and death
>> situations.
> Sorry,
Liar.
> but anyone with a Globalstar phone in a life and death situation
There's a reason the EPIRB is included in what I said, fuckwit.
> will most likely die before an operational sat comes over
> the horizon thanks to their rapidly deteriorating constellation.
> Anyone that values their life has already dumped their now almost useless Globalstar handsets and
> moved to Iridium and other 'working' solutions.
See above, fuckwit.
Rod Speed
>> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses a globalstar phone and an EPIRB for real life and death
>> situations.
> How does YOUR globalstar phone and EPIRB perform?
Hell of a lot better than my HF and UHF, fuckwit.
skiwiz
> Two Bob <d...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> >> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses aglobalstarphone and an EPIRB for real life and death
> >> situations.
> > How does YOURglobalstarphone and EPIRB perform?
>
> Hell of a lot better than my HF and UHF, fuckwit.
OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking about is the
reliable communication in the bush - So if you don't know this by now,
I have a reliable source with good connections within Globalstar and
they have told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
this point and will at some point not even cover Australia - So if
your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone - I would only
suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you need it to -
I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium to
trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium - shoot me
an email if you want the company contact information on this - I did
it and love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it does work when I
want it to ..
Rod Speed
>>>> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses aglobalstarphone
>>>> and an EPIRB for real life and death situations.
>>> How does YOURglobalstarphone and EPIRB perform?
>> Hell of a lot better than my HF and UHF, fuckwit.
> OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking
> about is the reliable communication in the bush -
Nope, it was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter entirely.
> So if you don't know this by now, I have a reliable source
> with good connections within Globalstar and they have
> told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia
We'll see, and what the alternatives available are then when they dont.
> So if your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone
What was being discussed was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter entirely.
> I would only suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you need it to
So will an EPIRB.
> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium to
> trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium - shoot me an
> email if you want the company contact information on this - I did it and
> love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it does work when I want it to ..
Different matter entirely.
Paul Day
> OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking about is the
> reliable communication in the bush - So if you don't know this by now,
> I have a reliable source with good connections within Globalstar and
> they have told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia - So if
> your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone - I would only
> suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you need it to -
> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium to
> trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium - shoot me
> an email if you want the company contact information on this - I did
> it and love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it does work when I
> want it to ..
Interesting...
It's a pity Thuraya haven't deployed anything beyond their one big spot.
PD
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Paul Day
Paul Day
> skiwiz <Ski...@gmail.com> wrote
<snip>
Skiwiz, you must've said something clueful because Rod didn't call you a
"fuckwit" once in his follow-up. ;)
PD
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Paul Day
Two Bob
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ac84tF...@mid.individual.net...
> skiwiz <Ski...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Two Bob <d...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>>> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses aglobalstarphone
>>>>> and an EPIRB for real life and death situations.
>
>>>> How does YOURglobalstarphone and EPIRB perform?
>
>>> Hell of a lot better than my HF and UHF, fuckwit.
>
>> OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking
>> about is the reliable communication in the bush -
>
> Nope, it was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter
> entirely.
Bulllshit!! No mention was made of life and death situations. The topic is
reliable communications for 4WD. I know you are very knowledgeable in ALL
subjects, but read the posts so you are up to date with the current topic.
****
"The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush, remote- non
remote areas."
****
>> So if you don't know this by now, I have a reliable source
>> with good connections within Globalstar and they have
>> told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
>> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia
>
> We'll see, and what the alternatives available are then when they dont.
>
>> So if your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone
>
> What was being discussed was clearly about life and death situations, a
> different matter entirely.
Liar!
>
>> I would only suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you
>> need it to
>
> So will an EPIRB.
EPIRB is not a 2 way communication device.
>
>> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium to
>> trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium - shoot me an
>> email if you want the company contact information on this - I did it and
>> love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it does work when I want it to
>> ..
Spam!
>
> Different matter entirely.
>
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote>>>> Two Blob <d...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Wrong again, anyone with a clue uses aglobalstarphone
>>>>>> and an EPIRB for real life and death situations.
>>>>> How does YOURglobalstarphone and EPIRB perform?
>>>> Hell of a lot better than my HF and UHF, fuckwit.
>>> OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking
>>> about is the reliable communication in the bush -
>> Nope, it was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter entirely.
> Bulllshit!!
You're the expert at pathetic excuse for bullshit, fuckwit.
> No mention was made of life and death situations.
Bare faced lie. Its learly in the quoting at the top, and was there
in the earlier quoting which you have carefully edited out as well.
> The topic is reliable communications for 4WD.
Bare faced lie. That phrase has only just turned up now.
> I know you are very knowledgeable in ALL subjects, but read the posts so you are up to date with
> the current topic.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find
the words 'life and death situations' in the posts, fuckwit.
> ****
> "The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush, remote-non remote areas."
> ****
Flagrantly dishonest, pity about the words 'life and death situations' in the posts, fuckwit.
>>> So if you don't know this by now, I have a reliable source
>>> with good connections within Globalstar and they have
>>> told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
>>> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia
>> We'll see, and what the alternatives available are then when they dont.
>>> So if your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone
>> What was being discussed was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter
>> entirely.
> Liar!
So stupid that it didnt even delete that from the quoting right at the top.
>>> I would only suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you need it to
>> So will an EPIRB.
> EPIRB is not a 2 way communication device.
Irrelevant to whether its the best approach in a life and death situation
and cost so little compared with the others that only a fool wouldnt
have one of those as well when moving off the high volume roads.
>>> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium
>>> to trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium -
>>> shoot me an email if you want the company contact information on
>>> this - I did it and love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it
>>> does work when I want it to ..
> Spam!
You wouldnt know what spam was if you bit you on your lard arse, blobs.
>> Different matter entirely.
Two Bob
>>>> about is the reliable communication in the bush -
>
>>> Nope, it was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter
>>> entirely.
>
>> Bulllshit!!
>
> You're the expert at pathetic excuse for bullshit, fuckwit.
>
>> No mention was made of life and death situations.
>
> Bare faced lie. Its learly in the quoting at the top, and was there
> in the earlier quoting which you have carefully edited out as well.
>
>> The topic is reliable communications for 4WD.
>
> Bare faced lie. That phrase has only just turned up now.
>
>> I know you are very knowledgeable in ALL subjects, but read the posts so
>> you are up to date with the current topic.
>
> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find
> the words 'life and death situations' in the posts, fuckwit.
Go to the original post and do a search for "life and death". You wont find
it because it isn't there. The second poster said it.
Any more grovelling????
I know I should be bowing down to such a knowlegable person as yourself, but
.........
>> ****
>> "The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush, remote-non
>> remote areas."
>> ****
>
> Flagrantly dishonest, pity about the words 'life and death situations' in
> the posts, fuckwit.
>
>>>> So if you don't know this by now, I have a reliable source
>>>> with good connections within Globalstar and they have
>>>> told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
>>>> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia
>
>>> We'll see, and what the alternatives available are then when they dont.
>
>>>> So if your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone
>
>>> What was being discussed was clearly about life and death situations, a
>>> different matter entirely.
>
>> Liar!
>
> So stupid that it didnt even delete that from the quoting right at the
> top.
>
>>>> I would only suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you
>>>> need it to
>
>>> So will an EPIRB.
>
>> EPIRB is not a 2 way communication device.
>
> Irrelevant to whether its the best approach in a life and death situation
> and cost so little compared with the others that only a fool wouldnt
> have one of those as well when moving off the high volume roads.
Very relivant when you clean the soot out of your miniscule brain and
realise that the topic is about reliable comms.
How many 4wd do you personally know that have an EPIRB? Very few, I bet.
>>>> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the Iridium
>>>> to trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium -
>>>> shoot me an email if you want the company contact information on
>>>> this - I did it and love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it
>>>> does work when I want it to ..
>
>> Spam!
>
> You wouldnt know what spam was if you bit you on your lard arse, blobs.
Maybe not, but I know a complete and utter idiot when I'm confronted with
one.
Paul Day
> Go to the original post and do a search for "life and death". You wont find
> it because it isn't there. The second poster said it.
Nope, the first one did as far as the thread is represented on my sane
news-server and within my sane news-reader:
"The Telstra rep tried to sell nexistent, unreliable, over expensive
Telstra Mobile services to serious 4WDrivers, where the existence of
mobile telecommunications can result in a life and death situation."
PD
--
Paul Day
Rod Speed
>>>>> OK ALL - I understand that the issue everyone is talking
>>>>> about is the reliable communication in the bush -
>>>> Nope, it was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter entirely.
>>> Bulllshit!!
>> You're the expert at pathetic excuse for bullshit, fuckwit.
>>> No mention was made of life and death situations.
>> Bare faced lie. Its clearly in the quoting at the top, and was there
>> in the earlier quoting which you have carefully edited out as well.
>>> The topic is reliable communications for 4WD.
>> Bare faced lie. That phrase has only just turned up now.
>>> I know you are very knowledgeable in ALL subjects, but read the posts so you are up to date with
>>> the current topic.
>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find
>> the words 'life and death situations' in the posts, fuckwit.
> Go to the original post and do a search for "life and death".
Been there, did that, found it fine.
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.comms.mobile/browse_frm/thread/0c8ee229ca0c7200/671bbe9206bf2d7b#671bbe9206bf2d7b
> You wont find it because it isn't there.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
> The second poster said it.
The second poster ALSO said it, fuckwit child.
> Any more grovelling????
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, blobs.
> I know I should be bowing down to such a knowlegable person as yourself, but .........
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag........
>>> ****
>>> "The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush,
>>> remote-non remote areas."
>>> ****
>> Flagrantly dishonest, pity about the words 'life and death
>> situations' in the posts, fuckwit.
>>>>> So if you don't know this by now, I have a reliable source
>>>>> with good connections within Globalstar and they have
>>>>> told me that they are only operating on 24 satellites at
>>>>> this point and will at some point not even cover Australia
>>>> We'll see, and what the alternatives available are then when they dont.
>>>>> So if your out in the bush and need a reliable sat phone
>>>> What was being discussed was clearly about life and death situations, a different matter
>>>> entirely.
>>> Liar!
>> So stupid that it didnt even delete that from the quoting right at the top.
And deleting that now fools absolutely no one at all, as always.
>>>>> I would only suggest Iridium - at least you know it will work when you need it to
>>>> So will an EPIRB.
>>> EPIRB is not a 2 way communication device.
>> Irrelevant to whether its the best approach in a life and death situation and cost so little
>> compared with the others that only a fool wouldnt have one of those as well when moving off the
>> high volume roads.
> Very relivant when you clean the soot out of your miniscule brain and
> realise that the topic is about reliable comms.
You can keep repeating that bare faced lie till the cows come
home if you like, fools absolutely no one at all, as always.
> How many 4wd do you personally know that have an EPIRB? Very few, I bet.
Irrelevant to what makes the most sense in life and death situations, fuckwit.
>>>>> I even know of a company that is giving you $300.00 off the
>>>>> Iridium to trade in your Globalstar phone and upgrade to the Iridium - shoot me an email if
>>>>> you want the company contact information on
>>>>> this - I did it and love my sate Iridium phone - Guess what - it
>>>>> does work when I want it to ..
>>> Spam!
>> You wouldnt know what spam was if you bit you on your lard arse, blobs.
> Maybe not,
No maybe about it...
> but I know a complete and utter idiot when I'm confronted with one.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, fuckwit child.
Strikealite
> April 2007 in N.S.W. two hundred 4WD_owners invited a Telstra Mobile
> rep to there three days annual meeting.
>
> The main topic was about mobile communication in the bush, remote- non
> remote areas.
>
> Telstra Mobile 2007, 2008.
>
> At questions time the Telstra Mobile rep asked some feed-back from the
> 4WD_owner-drivers.
>
> The question time turned into a series of complaints about Telstra
> Mobile services in the bush.
>
> All questions about services from Telstra not working at all, partly
> working or overcharging errors not rectified TIO incompetence,
> impossibilty to receive help, problems not being fixed after months of
> complaints, etc...
>
> After two days the Telstra Mobile rep was totally overwhelmed by the
> many legitimate complaints.
>
> The third day the 4WD_owners realized all the answers from the Telstra
> Mobile rep were cosmetic.
>
> The Telstra Mobile rep not only could not answer the questions but
> could not present any of his products
>
> The Telstra Mobile rep was "boohhhheddddd...» and decided to leave the
> meeting on the third day.
>
> A lack of trust clearly surfaced between the two hundred 4WD_owners-
> drivers and Telstra Mobile.
>
> The Telstra rep tried to sell «inexistent, unreliable, over expensive
> «Telstra Mobile services to serious 4WDrivers, where the existence of
>
> The management of Telstra Mobile still does not get it.
>
> Big difference between selling "crap" services + prices to Australian
> kids and selling "crap services" to Australian adult.
>
> Georges
You don't have to get a couple hundred 4WD operators in 'slightly
remote' areas to point out the crap coverage (even with the 'new'
NextG network), take a drive up the "Goat Track" (Pacific Highway) and
see what coverage there is................better off using UHF Ch29 in
emergencies. As long as coonan and howard can get coverage from
parliament house to the airport in canberra............