Do cars run better in humid weather?

[Peter Jason]

My dear old uncle was so convinced. He said it prevented any trace of
pre-ignition. Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
in foggy weather. My uncle was so interested there were plans to
affix a water fogger just before the carburettor. I can't remember
what happened.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 28/02/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> My dear old uncle was so convinced. He said it prevented any trace of
> pre-ignition. Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
> in foggy weather.

yes they do run better when the air has moisture in it. at least they
did when cars had carburetors.  but I've noticed my Lancer runs better
when the air is damp and it has fuel injection. someone will be along
shortly to explain the technicalities of it all.  :)

> My uncle was so interested there were plans to
> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor. I can't remember
> what happened.

there were products to do that. I don't remember either how it all ended
up. maybe the petrol companies squashed them?


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[Noddy]

On 28/02/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:

> My dear old uncle was so convinced.

Your dear old uncle had no idea.

> He said it prevented any trace of pre-ignition.

Yep. Definitely had absolutely no idea.

> Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
> in foggy weather.

Really? And what was the relative humidity on that day? :)

> My uncle was so interested there were plans to
> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor. I can't remember
> what happened.

He was committed to an asylum I expect.

Performance output of engines changes with air *density*, in that the
denser the air the more power they make. It's all about volumetric
efficiency, and the amount of air you can pack into the cylinders. When
air density is high, you pack more air into each cylinder creating a
bigger bang and ultimately more power. This is precisely why most cars
run better at night with cooler air temperatures than they do over the
course of the day where the temperatures have been higher.

Humidity has the opposite effect in that the higher the moisture content
of the air the less dense it becomes resulting in a lower than optimum
air volume in each cylinder with a corresponding reduction in power output.

It's not rocket science. Well, for anyone *other* than you and your
uncle apparently. And possibly Felix......







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[Daryl]

A car may run better if the fog happens to be cold which isn't always
the case.

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[Yosemite Sam]

that doesn't explain those water injection devices

[Yosemite Sam]

but usually is

[Clocky]

Whilst he grasps some of the most basic concepts, It's sciency stuff
well beyond the pay grade of some uneducable unqualified loser who
couldn't finish year 9 :-) He doesn't consider how water can be used to
increase air density, what impact it has in ignition and how that can be
used to advantage in terms of compression or boost. Nor does he consider
the thermal expansion characteristics of moisture in air when it is heated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA

etc...

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

[Yosemite Sam]

and you it seems. see below...

>>>
>>>
>>
>> that doesn't explain those water injection devices
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Whilst he grasps some  of the most basic concepts, It's sciency stuff
> well beyond the pay grade of some uneducable unqualified loser who
> couldn't finish year 9 :-) He doesn't consider how water can be used
> to increase air density, what impact it has in ignition and how that
> can be used to advantage in terms of compression or boost. Nor does he
> consider the thermal expansion characteristics of moisture in air when
> it is heated.

yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>
> etc...
>

i'll watch those

[keithr0]

Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.

[keithr0]

Most big supercharged aero engines have methanol injection.

[Xeno]

Latent heat of evaporation. The water evaporates thereby cooling the
incoming air making it more dense. Cars pre-70s had no intake air
temperature maintenance so ran better on cold days due to more dense air.

--
Xeno

[Noddy]

Meth/water injection systems have been around since before the days of
WWII, and they're designed to guard against an abnormal combustion
events that are the result of running high levels of boost. Particularly
in aircraft engines where air density varies with altitude.

However, none of that has anything whatsoever to do with the notion of
car engines running better in humid weather which is a nonsense.

[Noddy]

Yeah, so would I :)

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>
>>> etc...
>>>
>>
>> i'll watch those

By all means, watch them Felix. But when you're done, take a crack at
explaining how water/methanol injection systems which exist to prevent
abnormal combustion problems, have anything to do with the claim that
engines run better in humid conditions.

Seriously. Have a go at an explanation. If you get in quick you'll be
able to beat Clasener who's no doubt bursting at the seams to make a
long winded and completely irrelevant post on the subject like he
*always* does.

Still, if you want to educate yourself, then have a read here:

> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/ICEF/proceedings-abstract/ICEF2006/42606/421/318050

And here:

> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/

And here:

> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/

And if you want a more technical explanation, here:

> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/gasturbinespower/article/139/5/051501/374501/Effect-of-Ambient-Temperature-and-Humidity-on

Perhaps you could raise these points with the resident "mechanics" and
ask them to explain to you how "wet air" and water injection are two
different things :)

[keithr0]

On 28/02/2022 4:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 4:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/02/2022 1:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 28/2/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> My dear old uncle was so convinced.  He said it prevented any trace of
>>>> pre-ignition.  Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
>>>> in foggy weather.  My uncle was so interested there were plans to
>>>> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor.  I can't remember
>>>> what happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> A car may run better if the fog happens to be cold which isn't always
>>> the case.
>>>
>> Most big supercharged aero engines have methanol injection.
>
> Meth/water injection systems have been around since before the days of
> WWII, and they're designed to guard against an abnormal combustion
> events that are the result of running high levels of boost. Particularly
> in aircraft engines where air density varies with altitude.

It allows high levels of boost without knock being a problem. It was
only used at takeoff power.

[Xeno]

Ah Darren, you've done enough Googling for everyone. It's your forte!

>
> Still, if you want to educate yourself, then have a read here:
>
>> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/ICEF/proceedings-abstract/ICEF2006/42606/421/318050
>>
>
> And here:
>
>> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/
>
> And here:
>
>> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/
>
> And if you want a more technical explanation, here:
>
>> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/gasturbinespower/article/139/5/051501/374501/Effect-of-Ambient-Temperature-and-Humidity-on
>>
>
> Perhaps you could raise these points with the resident "mechanics" and
> ask them to explain to you how "wet air" and water injection are two
> different things :)



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[alvey]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:18:50 +1100, Xeno wrote:

> On 28/2/22 18:05, Noddy wrote:

> Ah Darren, you've done enough Googling for everyone. It's your forte!

And when he's been hitting the Google it sticks out as obviously as his Big
Lies.



alvey

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[Clocky]

Nice attempt at face-saving, except nobody said they were the same
thing, MaGoogle. The videos I posted explained the difference perfectly
and how water *can* be used to increase power but clearly it's above
*your* level of understanding.

As expected from an uneducable year 9 unqualified flunky :-)

[Noddy]

On 28/02/2022 6:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 4:59 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Meth/water injection systems have been around since before the days of
>> WWII, and they're designed to guard against an abnormal combustion
>> events that are the result of running high levels of boost.
>> Particularly in aircraft engines where air density varies with altitude.
>
> It allows high levels of boost without knock being a problem.

To a degree. It helps prevent detonation, but doesn't totally eliminate
the possibility.

> It was only used at takeoff power.

My understanding is that some engines used it at War Emergency Power
regardless of altitude.

[keithr0]

Basically similar to T.O. power, sometimes it is referred to as full
military power - to be used when the shit has hit the fan and engine
life is not an immediate consideration.

[Noddy]

Engine life is *always* a consideration if preventing the aircraft from
becoming a smoking hole in the ground is your primary goal :)

[keithr0]

Unless there is an Me-109 up your arse, then it doesn't matter.

[Daryl]

On 28/2/2022 6:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 4:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/02/2022 4:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/02/2022 1:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 28/2/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> My dear old uncle was so convinced.  He said it prevented any trace of
>>>>> pre-ignition.  Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
>>>>> in foggy weather.  My uncle was so interested there were plans to
>>>>> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor.  I can't remember
>>>>> what happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A car may run better if the fog happens to be cold which isn't
>>>> always the case.
>>>>
>>> Most big supercharged aero engines have methanol injection.
>>
>> Meth/water injection systems have been around since before the days of
>> WWII, and they're designed to guard against an abnormal combustion
>> events that are the result of running high levels of boost.
>> Particularly in aircraft engines where air density varies with altitude.
>
> It allows high levels of boost without knock being a problem. It was
> only used at takeoff power.

Sort of similar idea to the mates race car running E85 because its
compression ratio is around 14.2:1


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Daryl

[Noddy]

The ME-109 would have been using it's water injection at full throttle
to catch you.

[Peter Jason]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 13:51:57 +1100, Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:

>On 28/02/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>> My dear old uncle was so convinced.
>
>Your dear old uncle had no idea.

He could have shown you a few things....

>
>> He said it prevented any trace of pre-ignition.
>
>Yep. Definitely had absolutely no idea.

Like this topic...

>
>> Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
>> in foggy weather.
>
>Really? And what was the relative humidity on that day? :)

The windows were fogging up, so I suspect close to 100%

>
>> My uncle was so interested there were plans to
>> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor. I can't remember
>> what happened.
>
>He was committed to an asylum I expect.

No he was seeking a suitable one for you, with concrete walls and
buxom guards with whips.

>
>Performance output of engines changes with air *density*, in that the
>denser the air the more power they make. It's all about volumetric
>efficiency, and the amount of air you can pack into the cylinders. When
>air density is high, you pack more air into each cylinder creating a
>bigger bang and ultimately more power. This is precisely why most cars
>run better at night with cooler air temperatures than they do over the
>course of the day where the temperatures have been higher.

Isn't that what I said? You must be a quick learner...perhaps.

>
>Humidity has the opposite effect in that the higher the moisture content
>of the air the less dense it becomes resulting in a lower than optimum
>air volume in each cylinder with a corresponding reduction in power output.
>
>It's not rocket science. Well, for anyone *other* than you and your
>uncle apparently. And possibly Felix......

* snort *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>--

[Noddy]

On 1/03/2022 7:38 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 13:51:57 +1100, Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/02/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>> My dear old uncle was so convinced.
>>
>> Your dear old uncle had no idea.
>
> He could have shown you a few things....

No doubt he could have shown many people a lot of things. Like how to be
the "Before" poster boy....

>>> Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
>>> in foggy weather.
>>
>> Really? And what was the relative humidity on that day? :)
>
> The windows were fogging up, so I suspect close to 100%

100%? :)

What part of the world do you live in?

>>> My uncle was so interested there were plans to
>>> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor. I can't remember
>>> what happened.
>>
>> He was committed to an asylum I expect.
>
> No he was seeking a suitable one for you, with concrete walls and
> buxom guards with whips.

Ooh, nice.

>> Performance output of engines changes with air *density*, in that the
>> denser the air the more power they make. It's all about volumetric
>> efficiency, and the amount of air you can pack into the cylinders. When
>> air density is high, you pack more air into each cylinder creating a
>> bigger bang and ultimately more power. This is precisely why most cars
>> run better at night with cooler air temperatures than they do over the
>> course of the day where the temperatures have been higher.
>
> Isn't that what I said? You must be a quick learner...perhaps.

No, that's not what you said at all. You said that cars run better in
humid weather which is false.

What you said is the subject line of this threat, you idiot. Try to keep up.

>> Humidity has the opposite effect in that the higher the moisture content
>> of the air the less dense it becomes resulting in a lower than optimum
>> air volume in each cylinder with a corresponding reduction in power output.
>>
>> It's not rocket science. Well, for anyone *other* than you and your
>> uncle apparently. And possibly Felix......
>
> * snort *

Lay off the drugs. They fuck your brain cells, and you're really not
carrying all that many that you want to be losing any....

[Daryl]

No, you said cars run better when its foggy.
Humid air is actually less dense than dry air so the reality is a car
engine will run worse not that anyone would notice much difference.
The variable is if the air was cold as well as foggy, its not the fog
that makes the air more dense, its the cold.
See below, I'd believe Isaac Newton before I'd believe your uncle.

"Most people who haven’t studied physics or chemistry find it hard to
believe that humid air is lighter, or less dense, than dry air. How can
the air become lighter if we add water vapor to it?
Scientists have known this for a long time. The first was Isaac Newton,
who stated that humid air is less dense than dry air in 1717 in his
book, Optics. But, other scientists didn’t generally understand this
until later in that century."
https://iflycoast.com/understanding-air-density-and-its-effects/




--
Daryl

[Peter Jason]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 09:39:06 +1100, Daryl <dwal...@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

...uh, well, the car did run better in the fog and in chilly nights.

[Peter Jason]

>
>yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>
>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>

Yeah man!
I knew it. And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy? Lurking in the tall
grass I'll wager!
Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
Get to it, boy!

[Noddy]

On 1/03/2022 12:04 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 09:39:06 +1100, Daryl <dwal...@westpine.com.au>

>> "Most people who haven’t studied physics or chemistry find it hard to
>> believe that humid air is lighter, or less dense, than dry air. How can
>> the air become lighter if we add water vapor to it?
>> Scientists have known this for a long time. The first was Isaac Newton,
>> who stated that humid air is less dense than dry air in 1717 in his
>> book, Optics. But, other scientists didn’t generally understand this
>> until later in that century."
>> https://iflycoast.com/understanding-air-density-and-its-effects/
>
>
>
> ...uh, well, the car did run better in the fog and in chilly nights.

That may be so, and it's what would normally be expected. As has been
mentioned, cooler air is denser air, and denser air makes more power all
else being equal. But that's *not* what you claimed. What you claimed
was that *humid* weather makes cars run better, and has been
demonstrated that is *not* the case.

Nothing like a bit of reactive goal-post shifting to try to cover your
ignorant arse, huh? The FLC is going to *luuuurve* you....

[Noddy]

On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>
>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>
>
> Yeah man!

ROTFL :)

> I knew it. And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy? Lurking in the tall
> grass I'll wager!

I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you *knew* :)

> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
> Get to it, boy!

Do you now? And why would that be?

You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
humid weather, only *now* you've added to that by apparently being
totally incapable of appreciating the difference between the effects on
engine output relative to the degree of humidity, and water/methanol
injection systems used to prevent detonation in boosted engine applications.

I suspect you're not on your Pat Malone there either, which is why the
FLC brings water/meth injection up as if it's in some way relevant to
your initial comments :)

Either way, I'm starting to feel more than a little concerned for Felix,
for if you continue to make completely clueless and totally retarded
posts like this then his title of "Dumbest inbred cuntoxen to ever
inhabit this group in it's entire history" is genuinely under threat.

The competition is about to get serious :)

[jonz@ nothere.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Genuinely wondering how many sock`s are here ATM??. Two, prolly three supposed *individuals* all poasting with the *same* extremely imbecilic juvenile style. A statistical impossibility methinks.!

[Noddy]

The exact same imbecilic juvenile style that pegged "Krypsis" and "Xeno
Lith" as one and the same person :)

[Clocky]

No, humid air is less dense. Cold air is more dense. You can have warm
humid air and cold humid air. You can also use water to increase power,
but that is not the same thing as the answer to "Do cars run better in
humid weather?" being "yes". The only people suggesting someone
presented that as the answer are those with a different agenda.

Watch the videos I linked to so you can understand the differences.
Ignore the trolls who aren't qualified and don't understand the science
which goes well beyond their level of understanding. They are only
interested in attacking and abusing you and others on strawmen of their
creation.

They can offer *nothing* of value.

[Peter Jason]

>
>The competition is about to get serious :)

Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
bested in the argument stakes!

Oh, the pity of it!

Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
point. :--)))))

In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
return chastened and humbled.

[Grumpy Tech]

No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.

He invites another idiot to the group...

[Daryl]

Obviously it being chilly was what was making it run better.
Old VW's had about 40hp so any improvement would be noticeable but not
so much on cars that had a decent amount of power.

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

On 1/03/2022 3:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>
>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>
> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
> bested in the argument stakes!

Lol :)

> Oh, the pity of it!

Yeah, you made a fairly decent idiot of yourself. Oh well, there's
always tomorrow....

> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
> point. :--)))))

If you bothered to check and gave up being a dick for just a moment,
you'd see that addressing the expressive heart of the point was exactly
what was done.

> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
> return chastened and humbled.

Generally people don't display this level of "stupid" by accident or
genetics and have to dedicate a fair amount of their lives in the
pursuit of it. You must work very hard at this and just *had* to have
had times in the past where you considered turning pro.

Dance around making an absolute *flog* of yourself all you like, but the
simple arithmetic here is that you, and your uncle, have no idea what
you're talking about and you can consider yourself as having been educated.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Daryl]

On 1/3/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>
>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>
>
> Yeah man!

Yeah man what?
The difference between a properly engineered water injection system made
for a specific engine can hardly be compared to a standard engine
running in fog, the amount of water an engine would ingest in fog would
be so insignificant that it would be near impossible to measure.
I know of a mechanic who fitted water injection (you could buy WI kits)
to his Austin 1800 back in the 70's, supposedly the main benefit was it
keep the top of the pistons and combustion chambers cleaner back in the
day when fuel was dirty and engines carboned up.
He removed it after a few months because whilst it did keep things
cleaner it didn't make the engine run any better long term.

> I knew it. And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy? Lurking in the tall
> grass I'll wager!

There is certainly a troll lurking here but his name isn't Noddy.
Try and work out who it is, hint look in a mirror.


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[Xeno]

I made no invite! Peter is here of his own volition. If course, that is
way too complex for you to get your head around.

Oh, and the computer works a treat too, a 100% runner under Linux at the
moment and I'm currently typing this missive on it. The bargain of the
century! Currently not using the Thermaltake cable management 1000 Watt
PSU, it weighed a ton and was way overkill for my needs. I just plugged
in a smaller 500 Watt Thermaltake PSU I had laying around since it'll be
on (relatively) light duties from here on in.

--
Xeno

[Xeno]

On 1/3/22 15:37, Noddy wrote:
> On 1/03/2022 3:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>
>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
>> bested in the argument stakes!
>
> Lol :)
>
>> Oh, the pity of it!
>
> Yeah, you made a fairly decent idiot of yourself. Oh well, there's
> always tomorrow....

He could have done worse Darren, he could have followed *your leaqd* and
*invented* multiple qualifications, business ownership, land ownership
and dog knows what else. Hell, you even invented 22+ years of membership
of the VACC in order to bolster your bullshit tales of self
aggrandisement but, sadly for you, it took but an email to discover the
real truth - the VACC have never heard of you or your *claimed*
businesses. How unsurprising!

>
>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
>> point.    :--)))))
>
> If you bothered to check and gave up being a dick for just a moment,

You've never managed to give up being a dick. Ingrained in you, it is!

> you'd see that addressing the expressive heart of the point was exactly
> what was done.
>
>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>> return chastened and humbled.
>
> Generally people don't display this level of "stupid" by accident or
> genetics and have to dedicate a fair amount of their lives in the
> pursuit of it. You must work very hard at this and just *had* to have
> had times in the past where you considered turning pro.

Well, your father worked out you were dedicating your life to a *level
of stupid* that beggared belief when you were a mere 8 years old and he
dubbed you Noddy. Very astute was your father.

>
> Dance around making an absolute *flog* of yourself all you like, but the
> simple arithmetic here is that you, and your uncle, have no idea what
> you're talking about and you can consider yourself as having been educated.
>
> Here endeth the lesson.

And still you learnt nothing!


--
Xeno

[Xeno]

Nah, his nick is Noddy! The troll's real name is Darren Thomas Gibbens.

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[alvey]

I wonder if any of The Enablers have ever paused for a moment to wonder why
it's so *very, very* important for the Fraudster to paint so many people as
"flogs", "stupid", "dick" etc etc etc. Especially in cases like this one
where his hissiness is based on a blatant lie.


alvey
“She's [Michalia Cash] a fucktard. If she came anywhere near me I
would punch her.” Fraudster, 09Apr19


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Aside from unintended humour and some clear insights into the behaviours of
Neanderthal society.



alvey

[keithr0]

On 1/03/2022 3:50 pm, alvey wrote:

> “She's [Michalia Cash] a fucktard. If she came anywhere near me I
> would punch her.” Fraudster, 09Apr19

As would any reasonable person.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 28/02/2022 6:58 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 3:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/02/2022 4:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/02/2022 3:09 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 28/02/2022 3:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 28/02/2022 11:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>>>>> On 28/02/2022 1:51 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/02/2022 12:38 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My dear old uncle was so convinced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your dear old uncle had no idea.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> He said it prevented any trace of pre-ignition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep. Definitely had absolutely no idea.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>  Indeed I once had an old Volkswagen and it ran better
>>>>>>>> in foggy weather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? And what was the relative humidity on that day? :)
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>  My uncle was so interested there were plans to
>>>>>>>> affix a water fogger just before the carburettor.  I can't
>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>> what happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He was committed to an asylum I expect.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Performance output of engines changes with air *density*, in
>>>>>>> that the denser the air the more power they make. It's all about
>>>>>>> volumetric efficiency, and the amount of air you can pack into
>>>>>>> the cylinders. When air density is high, you pack more air into
>>>>>>> each cylinder creating a bigger bang and ultimately more power.
>>>>>>> This is precisely why most cars run better at night with cooler
>>>>>>> air temperatures than they do over the course of the day where
>>>>>>> the temperatures have been higher.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Humidity has the opposite effect in that the higher the moisture
>>>>>>> content of the air the less dense it becomes resulting in a
>>>>>>> lower than optimum air volume in each cylinder with a
>>>>>>> corresponding reduction in power output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not rocket science. Well, for anyone *other* than you and
>>>>>>> your uncle apparently. And possibly Felix......
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> and you it seems. see below...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that doesn't explain those water injection devices
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst he grasps some  of the most basic concepts, It's sciency
>>>>> stuff well beyond the pay grade of some uneducable unqualified
>>>>> loser who couldn't finish year 9 :-) He doesn't consider how water
>>>>> can be used to increase air density, what impact it has in
>>>>> ignition and how that can be used to advantage in terms of
>>>>> compression or boost. Nor does he consider the thermal expansion
>>>>> characteristics of moisture in air when it is heated.

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also
>>>> water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>

>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>
>> Yeah, so would I :)


here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20


>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk


so basically producing the effects Peter's Uncle noticed. I was out the
rain today and the car does seem to run better in the wet. i guess the
reason all car manufacturers don't use water injection is because of the
added cost to the customer.


>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA

very complex. much to go wrong.


>>>>>
>>>>> etc...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i'll watch those
>>
>> By all means, watch them Felix. But when you're done, take a crack at
>> explaining how water/methanol injection systems which exist to
>> prevent abnormal combustion problems, have anything to do with the
>> claim that engines run better in humid conditions.
>>
>> Seriously. Have a go at an explanation. If you get in quick you'll be
>> able to beat Clasener who's no doubt bursting at the seams to make a
>> long winded and completely irrelevant post on the subject like he
>> *always* does.
>>
>> Still, if you want to educate yourself, then have a read here:
>>
>>> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/ICEF/proceedings-abstract/ICEF2006/42606/421/318050
>>>
>>
>> And here:
>>
>>> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/
>>
>> And here:
>>
>>> https://airdensityonline.com/2017/04/water-vapor-horsepower/
>>
>> And if you want a more technical explanation, here:
>>
>>> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/gasturbinespower/article/139/5/051501/374501/Effect-of-Ambient-Temperature-and-Humidity-on
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you could raise these points with the resident "mechanics"
>> and ask them to explain to you how "wet air" and water injection are
>> two different things :)
>>
>
> Nice attempt at face-saving, except nobody said they were the same
> thing, MaGoogle. The videos I posted explained the difference
> perfectly and how water *can* be used to increase power but clearly
> it's above *your* level of understanding.
>
> As expected from an uneducable year 9 unqualified flunky :-)
>
>
>

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

[Xeno]

A clear cut case of projection. He's trying to divert attention *away*
from the fact that he is *exactly* like that - and continues to prove it
day after day. FFS, he and the idiots of the FLCJC complain of people
being chased away from aus.cars by trolls. Well, you see the *perfect
example* of a troll in Darren. Someone new blows in and Darren is on the
attack in an instant. You don't get more troll like than that!

>
>
> alvey
> “She's [Michalia Cash] a fucktard. If she came anywhere near me I
> would punch her.” Fraudster, 09Apr19
>
>


--

Xeno

[Yosemite Sam]

or just neanderthals really...


>
> alvey

[Yosemite Sam]

On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>
>>
>> Yeah man!
>
> ROTFL :)
>
>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in the tall
>> grass I'll wager!
>
> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you
> *knew* :)
>
>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>> Get to it, boy!
>
> Do you now? And why would that be?
>
> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
> humid weather,

except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're long on
rhetoric and short on fact

[Yosemite Sam]

On 1/03/2022 4:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 1/3/22 15:18, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>
>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>
>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>
>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>
>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>
>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>
>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>
> I made no invite! Peter is here of his own volition. If course, that
> is way too complex for you to get your head around.
>
> Oh, and the computer works a treat too, a 100% runner under Linux at
> the moment and I'm currently typing this missive on it. The bargain of
> the century!

it certainly was!

> Currently not using the Thermaltake cable management 1000 Watt PSU, it
> weighed a ton and was way overkill for my needs. I just plugged in a
> smaller 500 Watt Thermaltake PSU I had laying around since it'll be on
> (relatively) light duties from here on in.
>

--

[Yosemite Sam]

yep!

> FFS, he and the idiots of the FLCJC complain of people being chased
> away from aus.cars by trolls. Well, you see the *perfect example* of a
> troll in Darren. Someone new blows in and Darren is on the attack in
> an instant. You don't get more troll like than that!

and he always has done; jumps on anyone new and tries to shoo them away.
he wants to own this ng only for himself and his fawning sycophants

>>
>>
>> alvey
>> “She's [Michalia Cash] a fucktard. If she came anywhere near me I
>>   would punch her.” Fraudster, 09Apr19
>>
>
>

--

[Xeno]

It most certainly looks that way.



--
Xeno

[alvey]

Hmmmmm. That'd be a useful little exercise for Photoshop beginners.
Blending the heads of Fraudster and the Enablers with some pre-history
Neanderthals. Literally, it wouldn't be much of a stretch...

[alvey]

Newsreader: In one of the most damning comments ever directed at Darren
Fraudster of Bumhole, Victoria, he was today described as, "Troll? He's not
smart enough to be a troll.". The speaker, who could have been almost
anyone at the Michaelia Cash fundraiser, left without incident.



alvey
"That you asked about my business is perfectly rational, but that's where
your rationality ended. That you demanded to see proof of the existence
of said business is where your narcissism took over from your curiosity
as not only are you wrong to expect me to have to give you an answer,
but you steadfastly refuse to accept the answer I *have* given you,
which was "go fuck yourself"." Fraudster, 08Jul19

[keithr0]

On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also
>>>>> water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>
>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>
>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>
>
> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20

Yes and?

[Noddy]

...And it seems he thinks that makes it flammable in some way. I mean, I
know he's dumb, but *Jesus* :)

[Yosemite Sam]

noddy must have got religion. he keeps talking about Jesus. he might
enjoy this then .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZQxH_8raCI


--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

[Yosemite Sam]

LOL

>
>
>
> alvey
> "That you asked about my business is perfectly rational, but that's where
> your rationality ended. That you demanded to see proof of the existence
> of said business is where your narcissism took over from your curiosity
> as not only are you wrong to expect me to have to give you an answer,
> but you steadfastly refuse to accept the answer I *have* given you,
> which was "go fuck yourself"." Fraudster, 08Jul19
>
>

that says it all really..

[jonz@ nothere.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yer *never* going to be *anything* other than a boring, repetitive, *No you* one trick pony type cunt for as long as you remain extant!..Hmmm, there *is*light at the end of the tunnel.. :)))
>
> --
> Xeno

[Clocky]

On 1/03/2022 2:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 1/03/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 1/03/2022 12:17 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also water
>>>> vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhShcJZ3JAk
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFztpnQuPA
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah man!
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>>> I knew it.  And where's that troll-of-ages Noddy?  Lurking in the tall
>>> grass I'll wager!
>>
>> I'm right here, wondering what the fuck it was that you reckon you
>> *knew* :)
>>
>>> Now I expect a cringing, crawl-across-busted-glass,
>>> sackcloth-and-ashes, palm-nuzzling, lachrymose, whining apology, in
>>> public, to the brash sound of distant vuvuzelas...
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc7p2fst
>>> Get to it, boy!
>>
>> Do you now? And why would that be?
>>
>> You've done nothing here other than to show yourself to be completely
>> wrong when you started this thread claiming that cars run better in
>> humid weather,
>
>
> except he didn't. he just asked a question. as usual you're long on
> rhetoric and short on fact
>
>

According to the fraud a question mark at the end of a sentence makes it
a statement.



--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

[alvey]

That makes sense.
In that it's from the same processing centre as, 'Whatever I last said on a
subject is the truth'.

It's insightful that none of The Enablers picked up Fraudster obvious lie
and/or decided not to comment on it.



alvey

[Yosemite Sam]

On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:

and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and combustion

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

[Peter Jason]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
<grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>
>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>

>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>

>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
>> point. :--)))))
>>

>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>> return chastened and humbled.
>>
>>

>No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.

I know about the computer; I built it in 2011. And I priced it to
sell.
We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits. MB built in,
external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
including Optical drive/burner. It flies!
The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
case and took too much room, and the cards were the same. And it was
getting old. Just a commercial decision.

[Grumpy Tech]

This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is way
past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.

2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word processing or
media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half the size of a
tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc and 10 port usb hub
and optical drive (who uses those any more) are minimal at best.

>> He invites another idiot to the group...

My opinion has been enhanced.

[alvey]

Shirley that should be "upgraded"?

[Grumpy Tech]

Shirley not. It's a downgrade if anything as the data transfer speed of
the enclosure over usb would be way slower than drives connected to a
motherboard. The transfer speed of the optical drive being limited as
well. Whilst the nuc will be quick with it's ssd onboard the rest of the
system limits its abilities. Using a 10 port usb hub you are bound to
have communication issues when trying to access multiple devices.

On the other hand he managed to con xeno into buying a unit that wasn't
worth the cost of the freight to ship it so he's to be congratulated for
that.

[Noddy]

On 2/03/2022 8:55 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:

>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>> sell.
>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it was
>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>
>
> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is way
> past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.

We've known for a while now that Clasener is a miserable tight-arse who
is only ever interested in basic crap.

> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word processing or
> media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half the size of a
> tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc and 10 port usb hub
> and optical drive (who uses those any more) are minimal at best.

I know a bloke who bought a NUC once, and he was banging on about it as
if it was the best thing ever invented. Turns out it wasn't, and about
all the use he gets out of it is as a movie player :)

Anyone who buys one must have *severely* limited PC requirements....

>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>
> My opinion has been enhanced.

I don't know what's wrong with some of you people. I can pick these
fucktards within their first sentence. Y'all should be listening to me
more.... :)

[Noddy]

Lol :)

[Peter Jason]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 07:55:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech

* snort *
That computer was working fine when it left here, and if someone
frigged with it en route that's not my affair.
Clearly and sadly you survived the Cretaceous extinction; things have
moved on. Have you ever split fingernails extracting HDDs from a
bank of tower enclosures? Have you been maddened trying to
plug/unplug those hideous Sata plugs/sockets? Someone has invented
USB3+ now; check it out.
I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
these's no reduction in speed.
Wise up & plod off!

[alvey]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 09:45:01 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 2/03/2022 8:55 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>>> sell.
>>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it was
>>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>>
>>
>> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is way
>> past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.
>
> We've known for a while now that Clasener is a miserable tight-arse who
> is only ever interested in basic crap.

Says the hypocrite who has only bought 2nd hand cars and lives in the
boonies. How is the Navarra Fraudster? Not broken in half yet? Hey! I've
got an idea! For it's 10th birthday this year you could buy it a treehouse!

>
>> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word processing or
>> media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half the size of a
>> tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc and 10 port usb hub
>> and optical drive (who uses those any more) are minimal at best.
>

> I know a bloke who....

And here it comes! The previously never heard before relevant annecdote. Or
in shorthand, a lie.

You're hopeless Fraudster, just hopeless.

[jonz@ nothere.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yaawwwwnn, ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

[Clocky]

Perhaps the people judging so harshly should reflect on whether a person
who is running a business is going to be bothered by the opinion of
those who couldn't.

[Xeno]

On 2/3/22 08:55, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 2/03/2022 6:23 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 14:18:11 +1000, Grumpy Tech
>> <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/03/2022 2:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The competition is about to get serious :)
>>>>
>>>> Noddy has succumbed to NITPICKERY which is the last resort of a troll
>>>> bested in the argument stakes!
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the pity of it!
>>>>
>>>> Noddy should ape up and concern himself with expressive heart of the
>>>> point.    :--)))))
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime he'll be given time to regain his composure, and
>>>> return chastened and humbled.
>>>>
>>> No wonder xeno bought a computer from you. You're of the same ilk.
>>
>> I know about the computer; I built it in 2011.  And I priced it to
>> sell.
>> We upgraded to the latest NUC type with external bits.  MB built in,
>> external 8-HDD bank, a 10-port USB3 powered hub for all accessories
>> including Optical drive/burner.   It flies!
>> The old one was a pain maneuvering the HDDs in and out of the tower
>> case and took too much room, and the cards were the same.   And it was
>> getting old.  Just a commercial decision.
>>>
>
> This is too funny. For two reasons. 1. You sold xeno a box that is way
> past eol and he was stupid enough to buy it.

Seriously Grumpy, is that *all* you have? You're really showing your
childish true colours here now! EOL? Surely you jest? Sorry laddie, it
doesn't work that way with computers, especially custom built units like
this one. Any-single-component group in the PC can be sold for in excess
of the $50 I paid should I see fit to scrap it. That won't happen
however and it now has a *new* lease of life here as a very fast Linux
workstation. Even bought a *new* Antec P10 F-LUX midi tower case to
transfer all the gubbins into. Using a Thermaltake 500W PSU instead of
the http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000880 that
it came with. How much is one of these on the used market Grumps?

>
> 2. you bought a nuc which are basically only good for word processing or
> media storage. Your 8 bay hdd enclosure is about half the size of a
> tower so your space savings when you add in the nuc and 10 port usb hub
> and optical drive (who uses those any more) are minimal at best.

If you had seen the Lian Li server case it all came in, you wouldn't
make such frivolous and ridiculous comments. It quite literally dwarfed
my tower cases. My mate in West Footscray said it was big after he had
picked it up, I just didn't realise how big. Too big for my needs.

>
>>> He invites another idiot to the group...
>
> My opinion has been enhanced.

Lots of enhancement headroom there. Currently your opinion isn't worth 2
knobs of goat shit.

--
Xeno

[Noddy]

Pretty pointless really, huh? Alvey comes in here to make these same
nonsensical posts each and every day as if they've never been said
before and everyone needs to hear them all over again.

The funny part is that I don't think anyone genuinely gives a *fuck*
about anything he has to say, but not only that all he manages to do is
make himself look like a total crank who spends a fair portion of his
day sitting in a dark corner somewhere rocking back and forth while
eating his own shit and chanting "Ken Bruce has gone completely mad".

The *best* part about it all is that he doesn't need any help from
anyone to portray that image :)

[Xeno]

Cost of pickup, freight, inc. delivery to door = $0. Recall, if you
will, I said I was interested in the unit when first advertised but I
had a *logistics problem*. I *phoned a friend*, one of those people
Darren would have you believe were *mythical*. It was picked up and paid
for a mere few days later. That's what friends do for you! I guess you
wouldn't know about that aspect of life. Hell, you can't even keep a
wife in your life, you miserable little sod. If anything is EOL round
here, it's you! It could well be said you didn't even have much of a
life in the first place.



--
Xeno

[Xeno]

The comp fired up perfectly on arrival, no issues.

> Clearly and sadly you survived the Cretaceous extinction; things have
> moved on. Have you ever split fingernails extracting HDDs from a
> bank of tower enclosures? Have you been maddened trying to
> plug/unplug those hideous Sata plugs/sockets? Someone has invented
> USB3+ now; check it out.

You'll have to excuse Grumpy, he never managed to progress from being a
field tech - didn't even make it to management level. Sad really.

> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
> these's no reduction in speed.
> Wise up & plod off!

It's a bit hard for Grumpy to do that! He's a bit lacking in life skills
to begin with.

--
Xeno

[Xeno]

On 2/3/2022 12:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 2/03/2022 10:47 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 10:31:17 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
>
>>> And here it comes! The previously never heard before relevant
>>> annecdote. Or
>>> in shorthand, a lie.
>>>
>>> You're hopeless Fraudster, just hopeless.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>> Yaawwwwnn, ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
>
> Pretty pointless really, huh? Alvey comes in here to make these same
> nonsensical posts each and every day as if they've never been said
> before and everyone needs to hear them all over again.

Well, *you* keep on running away from them... so there's that!

>
> The funny part is that I don't think anyone genuinely gives a *fuck*

You hope!

> about anything he has to say, but not only that all he manages to do is
> make himself look like a total crank who spends a fair portion of his
> day sitting in a dark corner somewhere rocking back and forth while
> eating his own shit and chanting "Ken Bruce has gone completely mad".
>
> The *best* part about it all is that he doesn't need any help from
> anyone to portray that image :)

Projection much?


--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Grumpy Tech]

Not concerned whether it works or not, its end of life. If it keeps
going for any length of time it is a bonus.

> Clearly and sadly you survived the Cretaceous extinction; things have
> moved on. Have you ever split fingernails extracting HDDs from a
> bank of tower enclosures? Have you been maddened trying to
> plug/unplug those hideous Sata plugs/sockets? Someone has invented
> USB3+ now; check it out.

I've probably repaired more computers than you've had hot breakfasts.
Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except for
aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a major step
up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom built scsi
cables.

> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
> these's no reduction in speed.

Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot. I
wonder if you can work out why.

> Wise up & plod off!

Really. You're so charming. Obviously you went to xeno's school of
charm. What an Idiot.

Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.

[Xeno]

It will keep going for years and years.

>
>> Clearly and sadly you survived the Cretaceous extinction; things have
>> moved on.   Have you ever split fingernails extracting HDDs from a
>> bank of tower enclosures?  Have you been maddened trying  to
>> plug/unplug those hideous Sata plugs/sockets?  Someone has invented
>> USB3+ now; check it out.
>
> I've probably repaired more computers than you've had hot breakfasts.

OMIGOD, here comes the self-aggrandisement! Frankly my dear, who gives a
stuff that you were stuck at the hardware level and never moved onwards
and upwards from there? Speaking of self-aggrandisement, how's that
*Masters Degree* you boasted about, the one you *claimed* you were
undertaking? That was about the same time your woman pissed you off and
your tech career turned to shit and you ended up *retired*. You've not
mentioned it since, unsurprisingly.

> Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except for
> aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a major step
> up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom built scsi
> cables.

WFM, so have I and I don't even consider myself a PC tech. And I was
tinkering with SCSI devices and custom building computers in the *80s*.
Made up all sorts of ribbon cables back then, it isn't difficult if you
have the right gear, you know.

>
>> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
>> these's no reduction in speed.
>
> Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot. I
> wonder if you can work out why.

Obviously you are not up to date with *new* tech. My Macbook Air is more
than capable of such tasks. That's why I bought it. A well equipped NUC
would be similarly capable.

>
>> Wise up & plod off!
>
> Really. You're so charming. Obviously you went to xeno's school of
> charm. What an Idiot.

Well, it's obvious he didn't go to Darren's FLCJC school of charm, the
obvious clue, no toxic expletives. You, on the other hand, are obviously
a graduate.

>
> Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.

Hate to tell you *again* Grumpy, usenet doesn't work that way. Peter is
free to come and go as he pleases, and I'm sure he will.

[Grumpy Tech]

Once again you fail to understand anything. I was always retiring at 58
whether or not my ex was with me. I withdrew from undertaking the
masters as I undertook further manufacturer training which was more
relevant to my job. My work didn't go to shit, I had enough to retire
and enjoy my life. That's what smart people do. I still dabble somewhat
when needed for pocket money for my hobby.

>> Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except
>> for aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a major
>> step up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom built
>> scsi cables.
>
> WFM, so have I and I don't even consider myself a PC tech. And I was
> tinkering with SCSI devices and custom building computers in the *80s*.
> Made up all sorts of ribbon cables back then, it isn't difficult if you
> have the right gear, you know.
>>

I do, and I also know that sata cables are ridiculously easy to install
and remove.

>>> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
>>> these's no reduction in speed.
>>
>> Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot. I
>> wonder if you can work out why.
>
> Obviously you are not up to date with *new* tech. My Macbook Air is more
> than capable of such tasks. That's why I bought it. A well equipped NUC
> would be similarly capable.

And yet another complete idiot joins the party. So much for being so
tech savvy... So much for being a proof reader for uni students, if you
couldn't work out what is wrong in what is written there then you are an
embarrassment to education standards.

>>
>>> Wise up & plod off!
>>
>> Really. You're so charming. Obviously you went to xeno's school of
>> charm. What an Idiot.
>
> Well, it's obvious he didn't go to Darren's FLCJC school of charm, the
> obvious clue, no toxic expletives. You, on the other hand, are obviously
> a graduate.

Wow no toxic expletives from me. No garbage either. Maybe I didn't go to
either school.

>>
>> Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.
>
> Hate to tell you *again* Grumpy, usenet doesn't work that way. Peter is
> free to come and go as he pleases, and I'm sure he will.
>

Of course he can. I'm just suggesting this isn't the right group for him
and he would be better served in a place that welcomes fools...

[Xeno]

Yeah, right!

> masters as I undertook further manufacturer training which was more
> relevant to my job. My work didn't go to shit, I had enough to retire

What a load of piffle. You only mentioned doing a masters in order to
big yourself. I doubt you ever signed up. As for your work, you were
still on the lowest rungs of the ladder. No doubt your *employer* was
beginning to think you were a *bit past it* and decided you needed to be
put out to pasture. Happy grazing in the paddock!

> and enjoy my life. That's what smart people do. I still dabble somewhat
> when needed for pocket money for my hobby.
>

That's what Super is for. My retirement was planned for 58 but life
threw me a curveball so I ended up retired at *48* but way better off
financially.

>
>
>>> Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except
>>> for aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a major
>>> step up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom built
>>> scsi cables.
>>
>> WFM, so have I and I don't even consider myself a PC tech. And I was
>> tinkering with SCSI devices and custom building computers in the
>> *80s*. Made up all sorts of ribbon cables back then, it isn't
>> difficult if you have the right gear, you know.
>>>
> I do, and I also know that sata cables are ridiculously easy to install
> and remove.

And your point is?

>
>>>> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
>>>> these's no reduction in speed.
>>>
>>> Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot. I
>>> wonder if you can work out why.
>>
>> Obviously you are not up to date with *new* tech. My Macbook Air is
>> more than capable of such tasks. That's why I bought it. A well
>> equipped NUC would be similarly capable.
>
> And yet another complete idiot joins the party. So much for being so
> tech savvy... So much for being a proof reader for uni students, if you
> couldn't work out what is wrong in what is written there then you are an
> embarrassment to education standards.
>

Typographical errors don't count in usenet.

>
>>>
>>>> Wise up & plod off!
>>>
>>> Really. You're so charming. Obviously you went to xeno's school of
>>> charm. What an Idiot.
>>
>> Well, it's obvious he didn't go to Darren's FLCJC school of charm, the
>> obvious clue, no toxic expletives. You, on the other hand, are
>> obviously a graduate.
>
> Wow no toxic expletives from me. No garbage either. Maybe I didn't go to
> either school.
>>>
>>> Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.
>>
>> Hate to tell you *again* Grumpy, usenet doesn't work that way. Peter
>> is free to come and go as he pleases, and I'm sure he will.
>>
>
> Of course he can. I'm just suggesting this isn't the right group for him
> and he would be better served in a place that welcomes fools...
>

[alvey]

Nope, whine & bluster as much as you like Fraudster, but after you've wiped
your nose you'll *still* be a fraud, liar, hypocrite and pathetic coward.

And btw, I'm *still* waiting for you to prove your claim about your wealth.
Ready when you are Fraudster!


alvey
"I have absolutely not the slightest doubt about that Alvey, but you ain't
one of 'em pal, and I'm pretty sure I could buy and sell you tomorrow.

Any time you want to put that to the test, you just let me know" 02Jul17

[jonz@ nothere.com]

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 18:18:47 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:31:59 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
> > On 2/03/2022 10:47 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 10:31:17 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
> >
> >>> And here it comes! The previously never heard before relevant annecdote. Or
> >>> in shorthand, a lie.
> >>>
> >>> You're hopeless Fraudster, just hopeless.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >> Yaawwwwnn, ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
> >
> > Pretty pointless really, huh? Alvey comes in here to make these same
> > nonsensical posts each and every day as if they've never been said
> > before and everyone needs to hear them all over again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Even less relevance than krypsis..... whodathunkit.

> >
> > The funny part is that I don't think anyone genuinely gives a *fuck*
> > about anything he has to say, but not only that all he manages to do is
> > make himself look like a total crank who spends a fair portion of his
> > day sitting in a dark corner somewhere rocking back and forth while
> > eating his own shit and chanting "Ken Bruce has gone completely mad".
> >
> > The *best* part about it all is that he doesn't need any help from
> > anyone to portray that image :)
> Nope, whine & bluster as much as you like Fraudster, but after you've wiped
> your nose you'll *still* be a fraud, liar, hypocrite and pathetic coward.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nope he is *correct*, you are nought but a vacuous blowhard (one of a cluster of such in here sadly.)

>
> And btw, I'm *still* waiting for you to prove your claim about your wealth.
> Ready when you are Fraudster!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Please*hold yer breath. <G>

[Clocky]

On 2/03/2022 3:18 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:31:59 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 2/03/2022 10:47 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 10:31:17 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
>>
>>>> And here it comes! The previously never heard before relevant annecdote. Or
>>>> in shorthand, a lie.
>>>>
>>>> You're hopeless Fraudster, just hopeless.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>> Yaawwwwnn, ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
>>
>> Pretty pointless really, huh? Alvey comes in here to make these same
>> nonsensical posts each and every day as if they've never been said
>> before and everyone needs to hear them all over again.
>>
>> The funny part is that I don't think anyone genuinely gives a *fuck*
>> about anything he has to say, but not only that all he manages to do is
>> make himself look like a total crank who spends a fair portion of his
>> day sitting in a dark corner somewhere rocking back and forth while
>> eating his own shit and chanting "Ken Bruce has gone completely mad".
>>
>> The *best* part about it all is that he doesn't need any help from
>> anyone to portray that image :)
>
> Nope, whine & bluster as much as you like Fraudster, but after you've wiped
> your nose you'll *still* be a fraud, liar, hypocrite and pathetic coward.
>
> And btw, I'm *still* waiting for you to prove your claim about your wealth.
> Ready when you are Fraudster!
>
>

He certainly has a lot to say for a bloke with no credibility.

> alvey
> "I have absolutely not the slightest doubt about that Alvey, but you ain't
> one of 'em pal, and I'm pretty sure I could buy and sell you tomorrow.
>
> Any time you want to put that to the test, you just let me know" 02Jul17
>
>


--

[Clocky]

Of course it will.

[Yosemite Sam]

nobody in their right mind should be listening to you!

[Yosemite Sam]

anyone who has to tell  you how good they are most probably isn't

and he's much more welcome than the grubby tech dickhead

[Yosemite Sam]

yes indeedy doo! this PC i'm using is so old I can't remember when I
made it. maybe 15 years ago? I also have computers that are older than
that even 20 yo still going strong. I even have the first DOS computer I
made in the 1980's still fully functional running a 25 mb hard drive. :)

[Yosemite Sam]

your opinion is next to worthless

>>
>> * snort *
>> That computer was working fine when it left here, and if someone
>> frigged with it en route that's not my affair.
>
> Not concerned whether it works or not, its end of life. If it keeps
> going for any length of time it is a bonus.
>
>> Clearly and sadly you survived the Cretaceous extinction; things have
>> moved on.   Have you ever split fingernails extracting HDDs from a
>> bank of tower enclosures?  Have you been maddened trying  to
>> plug/unplug those hideous Sata plugs/sockets?  Someone has invented
>> USB3+ now; check it out.
>
> I've probably repaired more computers than you've had hot breakfasts.
> Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except
> for aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a major
> step up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom built
> scsi cables.

taking a leaf from Keefy's book there grubby. trying to build yourself
up by putting others down. Peter may become 'little' soon I guess..

>
>> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
>> these's no reduction in speed.
>
> Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot.

you do that every time you post

> I wonder if you can work out why.
>
>> Wise up & plod off!
>
> Really. You're so charming.

you're not. nothing of the sort. quite the opposite. becoming more like
your fraudster mentor day by day

> Obviously you went to xeno's school of charm. What an Idiot.
>
> Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.

you get no say in what he does dickhead.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"

- Xeno on Grubby Tech

[Noddy]

On 2/03/2022 8:27 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 18:18:47 UTC+11, alvey wrote:

>>
>> And btw, I'm *still* waiting for you to prove your claim about your wealth.
>> Ready when you are Fraudster!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> *Please*hold yer breath. <G>

And there's yet *another* tick in the checklist of "Things that make
Alvey a screaming fucktard": His sense of entitlement. His firmly held
belief that I have to hand over whatever information he sees fit to
demand whenever he stamps his feet for it.

We'll have to start calling him Karen :)

[Xeno]

Not a all, far more accurate to call you a *liar*.

You make the claims, you get to prove them. That was your call when the
shoe was on the other foot but now, when you're under the spotlight, you
run away. But it's Ok Darren, I *know* you can't hand over *any*
information, you don't have anything. You actually have to have done an
apprenticeship, and completed it, in order to have anything to hand
over. The Govt. records are *not your friend* Darren, they tell the truth.

--
Xeno

[keithr0]

On 2/03/2022 5:36 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 1/03/2022 8:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/03/2022 4:18 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> yes I thought water vapor (can) increase air density, and also
>>>>>>> water vapor burns when in the cylinder, iirc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Water vapour burns? I'd like to see that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, so would I :)
>>>
>>>
>>> here's a clue for noddy and keefy.. water is H20
>>
>> Yes and?
>
>
> and.. what happens to it in the cylinder during ignition and combustion
>
And you call Jonz a "Village idiot", he's an intellectual giant compared
to you.

If water burns, why do the fire brigade pour it on burning buildings? It
is because it's cheaper than petrol and they can dance around the fire
as the water burns up chanting "Burn baby burn"?

Anyway the next bit may be hard for you as it contains science, I'll
type it slowly, you can stick your tongue out if it helps you to
concentrate.

Most substances (not all but including water) have 3 states, solid,
liquid, and gaseous, with water these are called ice, water, and water
vapour. Transitioning between these states involves latent energy, e.g.
going from liquid to gaseous, (latent) heat of vaporization or heat of
evaporation, is the amount of energy (enthalpy) that must be added to a
liquid substance to transform a quantity of that substance into a gas.

So when water is converted into vapor in the induction system of an IC
engine it absorbs energy cooling the mixture and preventing
pre-detonation (Knocking). This allows a higher compression ratio or a
higher level of boost.

Thus water is evaporated not burnt, AFAIK, the only way that water would
be "Burnt" would be in a thermo-nuclear reaction.

Thus endeth the lesson.

[Noddy]

Fuck me....

*Please* tell me this idiot is *not* stupid enough to think that when
water used in an injection system on some engines evaporates the
hydrogen atoms separate and become a fuel.

*Please* tell me this blithering moron is not that stupid.... :)

[Yosemite Sam]

On 2/03/2022 11:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:

duh! you really are a pretentious conceited asshole,  arn't you.
(rhetorical question). of course it's evaporated. that's what I meant by
simply saying it's 'burnt'. it cannot remain in it's liquid state. noddy
can't see beyond the end of his nose, and you can't see beyond your ego.

[alvey]

And why not! It's suitably inaccurate to fit snugly into your arsenal of
weird and useless 'weapons'.

So what you're spraying above Buffo is that people are allowed to say
anything they like and are not bound to provide any substantion for it at
all. Wow. Not only is that in *direct* opposition to Westminster Law and a
societal norm, it's also jaw-droppingly hypocritical of you, He Who Used To
Challenge So Many Others. Like, remember how Big Tough Fraudster carried on
when he was mentioned as a 'paedophile'? Different tune then wasn't it
Buffo?

Now the *facts* here Fraudster are that you made a specific claim, Hell!
You even blurted to let you know when I wanted you to prove it! So I'm
doing as you advised and asking you to prove it. This is as far from the
'Karen entitlement' as one can get.

So once again, it's back to you Fraudster. Are you going to do what you
said you'd do? Or are you going to dig a deeper hole for yourself in
Chickenshit Castle?



alvey
"A simple lesson for you to learn here is that if if you're not prepared
to support your claims for whatever reason, then perhaps you either don't
make them in the first place, or be prepared to retract." Fraudster,
15Jun17

[alvey]

Or interest in what we say.



alvey

[Daryl]

LOL, nice:-)

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

Yes, it was. Very. Yet another example of how keen Felix is to
demonstrate how utterly clueless he actually is, and being put back in
his box which will hopefully give the idiot a moment of pause and
motivate him to educate himself.

I don't know how old Felix is, but I believe he is somewhere around the
mid 70's or so. I may be wrong and if I am I'm happy to stand corrected,
but that's what I seem to recall being mentioned once. If that's the
case then genuinely am in amazement how someone who is so utterly
ignorant of the world in general as he *clearly* is could have got that
far without killing himself or everyone around him.

I mean, for fuck's sake this is a bloke who cannot tell that a computer
generated animation of a truck used in a video game isn't real....

[Grumpy Tech]

They still get me to work for them. Funny that. So much for being put
out to pasture. As for being on the lowest rung of the ladder.... I was
flown around the state training others. Hmm must have needed to be put
out to pasture... Your full of shit as usual.

>
>> and enjoy my life. That's what smart people do. I still dabble
>> somewhat when needed for pocket money for my hobby.
>>
> That's what Super is for. My retirement was planned for 58 but life
> threw me a curveball so I ended up retired at *48* but way better off
> financially.

My super covers all my needs however sometimes I like to buy myself toys
to play with. Expensive ones. I still get jobs from the company I worked
for when I want to earn some pocket money as I said. It pays for camera
lenses for my camera which at a few thousand each would eat into my
super a bit.

>>
>>
>>>> Nothing hard about removing hard drives from a tower at all. Except
>>>> for aio pc's in which case it can be a pita. Sata cables were a
>>>> major step up from ide. I've even installed scsi devices. and custom
>>>> built scsi cables.
>>>
>>> WFM, so have I and I don't even consider myself a PC tech. And I was
>>> tinkering with SCSI devices and custom building computers in the
>>> *80s*. Made up all sorts of ribbon cables back then, it isn't
>>> difficult if you have the right gear, you know.
>>>>
>> I do, and I also know that sata cables are ridiculously easy to
>> install and remove.
>
> And your point is?

The original poster claimed they were hard to remove... Comprehension
and following the thread is not your strong suit.

>>
>>>>> I use our new NUC for Photoshop, LAN cables, Movies, MSoft365, and
>>>>> these's no reduction in speed.
>>>>
>>>> Right there is where you made yourself look like a complete idiot. I
>>>> wonder if you can work out why.
>>>
>>> Obviously you are not up to date with *new* tech. My Macbook Air is
>>> more than capable of such tasks. That's why I bought it. A well
>>> equipped NUC would be similarly capable.
>>
>> And yet another complete idiot joins the party. So much for being so
>> tech savvy... So much for being a proof reader for uni students, if
>> you couldn't work out what is wrong in what is written there then you
>> are an embarrassment to education standards.
>>
> Typographical errors don't count in usenet.

I wasn't talking about the obvious typo. You're an idiot if you think
that was my issue. Please tell me how he uses his new nuc for "Lan
Cables"? How is your macbook air capable of the same. Bloody idiot.

>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wise up & plod off!
>>>>
>>>> Really. You're so charming. Obviously you went to xeno's school of
>>>> charm. What an Idiot.
>>>
>>> Well, it's obvious he didn't go to Darren's FLCJC school of charm,
>>> the obvious clue, no toxic expletives. You, on the other hand, are
>>> obviously a graduate.
>>
>> Wow no toxic expletives from me. No garbage either. Maybe I didn't go
>> to either school.
>>>>
>>>> Off you go back to aus.tv or wherever you toddled in from.
>>>
>>> Hate to tell you *again* Grumpy, usenet doesn't work that way. Peter
>>> is free to come and go as he pleases, and I'm sure he will.
>>>
>>
>> Of course he can. I'm just suggesting this isn't the right group for
>> him and he would be better served in a place that welcomes fools...
>>
>

How about you bugger off to alt.im.to.stupid.to.be.on.usenet

[Clocky]

Indeed.

[Yosemite Sam]

yes he's a liar, a fool, and a coward. says he has no interest, but
looks for every opportunity to comment, but can't comment directly
because he's hiding behind his castle wall. he has no integrity and no
authority.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy

"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy