Ping Daryl: Autel code scanner

[Noddy]

Hey Daz,

Did you have any trouble updating your AL619?

I bought one last week from a bloke who I *think* was the same supplier
as yours, and I took it out of the box this morning to try it out. I was
able to create an account with Autel and register the device just fine.
The serial number was recognised right away and I was able to power up
the device and go in to retrieve the password.

I then installed the software and did the recommended update and it
hasn't worked since :)

The update did two things: It installed a newer version of the update
software on the lappy, and it installed 24 updates on the mini sd that
belongs to the machine. It went through both of these processes
successfully without any errors, but as soon as the card is installed
into the scanner it plays dead.

Take the card out and it powers up with a symbol telling you to put the
card in, and as soon as you do you get an error message saying "no boot
programmer found".

I can't do anything with it other than leave it sitting here while I
wait for someone from Autel to get back to me with a solution, but I was
wondering if you had any such troubles with yours?




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Regards,
Noddy.

[Daryl]

No problems with it, it updated and worked perfectly but I haven't
plugged it back into the computer since.
I've played around with it a bit and tried it on a few vehicles, when I
plugged it into the WRX it displayed a lot more info but I suppose that
was because its a much later model car.
It might be possible to make a copy of my card then copy it to yours?
I might have time later tomorrow afternoon to come to your place, I'll
let you know.


--
Daryl

[John_H]

Based on past experienceI with Autel scan tools I can but proffer the
same advice as I gave Daryl... which is to back up the card _before_
you update it as you're likely to end up in deep shit if you don't!

Particularly since the card will only work with the scan tool it came
with... IOW if the card happens to get corrupted you can't simply
replace it with one from another tool.

Another common problem is that the cards supplied are too small to
take all the updates which you should also check before updating.

In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.

--
John H

[jonz@ nothere.com]

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**Backup**. Has been the mantra from day dot....

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 4:19 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> Take the card out and it powers up with a symbol telling you to put
>> the card in, and as soon as you do you get an error message saying "no
>> boot programmer found".
>>
>> I can't do anything with it other than leave it sitting here while I
>> wait for someone from Autel to get back to me with a solution, but I
>> was wondering if you had any such troubles with yours?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> No problems with it, it updated and worked perfectly but I haven't
> plugged it back into the computer since.
> I've played around with it a bit and tried it on a few vehicles, when I
> plugged it into the WRX it displayed a lot more info but I suppose that
> was because its a much later model car.
> It might be possible to make a copy of my card then copy it to yours?

It may be, but the data on the card looks unreadable to windows PC's.

> I might have time later tomorrow afternoon to come to your place, I'll
> let you know.

Appreciate the offer, but there's no hurry :)

I've logged a support claim with Autel and they'll get back to me some
time over the next few days. I was just wondering if you'd experienced
anything similar and there was an easy fix.

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 4:46 PM, John_H wrote:

>>
>> I can't do anything with it other than leave it sitting here while I
>> wait for someone from Autel to get back to me with a solution, but I was
>> wondering if you had any such troubles with yours?
>
> Based on past experienceI with Autel scan tools I can but proffer the
> same advice as I gave Daryl... which is to back up the card _before_
> you update it as you're likely to end up in deep shit if you don't!
>
> Particularly since the card will only work with the scan tool it came
> with... IOW if the card happens to get corrupted you can't simply
> replace it with one from another tool.
>
> Another common problem is that the cards supplied are too small to
> take all the updates which you should also check before updating.
>
> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.

Shame Autel mentions *none* of this in their manual :)

[Xeno]

You arsed up the easy fix by not backing up before you stuffed up.

Some people never learn!

--

Xeno

[Xeno]

You shouldn't need to be told to *backup* anything computer related.
That you didn't do so puts you in the lower intelligence rung of
computer users. You probably didn't RTFM either - until too late.


--

Xeno

[Daryl]

Apparently not as simple as copying mine onto Noddy's micro sd card but
my son says he knows how to do it.

--
Daryl

[Daryl]

John made me nervous so I plugged mine into the Benz and it worked
perfectly.
Mark says its not as simple as copying my sd card but he thinks he knows
how to fix it.

--
Daryl

[Xeno]

Yes indeed, take the scanner from Noddy and give it to someone who has a
clue on its use and care!

--

Xeno

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 9:16 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> I've logged a support claim with Autel and they'll get back to me some
>> time over the next few days. I was just wondering if you'd experienced
>> anything similar and there was an easy fix.
>>
>>
>>
> John made me nervous so I plugged mine into the Benz and it worked
> perfectly.
> Mark says its not as simple as copying my sd card but he thinks he knows
> how to fix it.

As I said it updated perfectly fine and reported no errors during the
process. Whatever it did it stomped over some section of the card it
wasn't supposed to, and has fucked the boot loader.

Seems a pretty fragile system :(

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 8:51 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>>
>> Shame Autel mentions *none* of this in their manual :)
>>
> You shouldn't need to be told to *backup* anything computer related.
> That you didn't do so puts you in the lower intelligence rung of
> computer users. You probably didn't RTFM either - until too late.

Init funny how "probably" features *so* prominently in your responses.
It's like what you're really saying is "I have no idea, but I'm going to
make shit up to suit myself".

As you usually do.

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 9:14 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>>
> Apparently not as simple as copying mine onto Noddy's micro sd card but
> my son says he knows how to do it.

I'll probably have a job for him then if he's interested.

[Daryl]

Ok I'll let him know.

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Daryl

[jonz@ nothere.com]

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Well, Did U?...RTFM that is...Ms *backup? wass the fuck that is*....

[Noddy]

And what page in the manual does it tell you to back the card up, Festus?

I mean, you're fucking this cat, right?

[Noddy]

Thanks.

Just having a read on Autel forums, and card issues look to be a very
big deal with *lots* of people complaining of similar issues. Autel's
response seems to be to start with a blank card and perform the update
which will reinstall all the system files, but that doesn't seem to be
happening.

[Xeno]

On 18/03/2018 9:52 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 18/03/2018 9:42 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 18/3/18 9:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2018 9:14 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>>>>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>>>>>
>>>> Apparently not as simple as copying mine onto Noddy's micro sd card
>>>> but my son says he knows how to do it.
>>>
>>> I'll probably have a job for him then if he's interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Ok I'll let him know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Just having a read on Autel forums, and card issues look to be a very
> big deal with *lots* of people complaining of similar issues.

All that says is that there are lots of people out there just as stupid
as you.

> Autel's response seems to be to start with a blank card and perform
> the update which will reinstall all the system files, but that doesn't
> seem to be happening.
>

Mayhap you've pooched the scanner and/or card already! ;-)

Well done you, stuffed it first go!

Jesus wept, they let people like *you* loose on cars in Victoria?

Your father accurately predicted the future when he named you Noddy!


--

Xeno

[Daryl]

Could the card be faulty?
Have you tried using another micro sd card?

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 10:17 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>
>> Just having a read on Autel forums, and card issues look to be a very
>> big deal with *lots* of people complaining of similar issues.
>
> All that says is that there are lots of people out there just as stupid
> as you.
>
>> Autel's response seems to be to start with a blank card and perform
>> the update which will reinstall all the system files, but that doesn't
>> seem to be happening.
>>
> Mayhap you've pooched the scanner and/or card already!  ;-)
>
> Well done you, stuffed it first go!

Hate to burst your bubble cockbreath, but here's piccy of it working as
of 20 minutes ago, complete with a letter of authenticity *just* for you:

> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/dasgib/IMAG2905_zpsm3awstfm.jpg

Enjoy.

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 9:42 PM, Daryl wrote:

Again, thanks for that but there's no need.

I just did a card swap for a known good working one that I had here and
followed Autel's update instructions and it's now working perfectly. The
card it shipped with was crook.

Thanks again for your help.

[Noddy]

On 18/03/2018 10:25 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> Just having a read on Autel forums, and card issues look to be a very
>> big deal with *lots* of people complaining of similar issues. Autel's
>> response seems to be to start with a blank card and perform the update
>> which will reinstall all the system files, but that doesn't seem to be
>> happening.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Could the card be faulty?
> Have you tried using another micro sd card?

Heh :) I just did exactly that and it's working fine. Looks like it
shipped with a fucked card, and running the update process on a
formatted working card solved the problem. Took it out and plugged it
into the Hyundai and the thing booted straight up and worked perfectly.

[alvey]

Over in the neighbors' shed again Knobbo? He's very sharing.

Btw, if you can go to this trouble for a cheap scanner, why don't you ever
post any pix of the 2-3 punters cars a week that you claim to work on? Odd
that.



alvey

[John_H]

Daryl wrote:
>
>Could the card be faulty?
>Have you tried using another micro sd card?

Since you mention it that's also a well documented problem with grey
imports, which I suspect arises from greedy chinamen swapping the
original cards for inferior substitutes!

--
John H

[felix]

he's been taking lessons from noodles..

--
"memento mori, memento vivere"

[lindsay]

"I sometimes don't bother to think things thru before I post, that's
all" Felix 04/10/17

You can tell, Felix. It shows. :-D



--
First xeno says "They were deleted. Noddy deleted them".
Then he was asked to show the threads the deleted posts were in.
"I know where the threads are. The posts are no longer there." he said.
So show us the threads, we asked. This is where he goes real quiet..
Then we laughed at the liar who snookered himself with his own lies :-D
"I have redressed it and it's no longer an issue. Simple as that."

[Xeno]

Finally you got it working! Now all you need to do is put it in your
cupboard with the others so it can remain just as clean and unused
looking as the other items of test equipment you have.

--

Xeno

[felix]

LOL

[Daryl]

Excellent, let me know what you think of it.

--
Daryl

[Daryl]

My sd card is branded sandisk, of course that could also be a copy but
it works so its not a problem so far.

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 8:52 AM, lindsay wrote:

>>> You arsed up the easy fix by not backing up before you stuffed up.
>>>
>>> Some people never learn!
>>>
>>
>> he's been taking lessons from noodles..
>
> "I sometimes don't bother to think things thru before I post, that's
> all" Felix 04/10/17
>
> You can tell, Felix. It shows. :-D

Lol :)

What a spactard it is :)

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 10:01 AM, Xeno wrote:

>> Hate to burst your bubble cockbreath, but here's piccy of it working
>> as of 20 minutes ago, complete with a letter of authenticity *just*
>> for you:
>>
>>> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/dasgib/IMAG2905_zpsm3awstfm.jpg
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>>
> Finally you got it working! Now all you need to do is put it in your
> cupboard with the others so it can remain just as clean and unused
> looking as the other items of test equipment you have.

What, are you not going to claim I borrowed them?

:)

[Noddy]

Turns out it was the card after all. Marked as a "Sandisk 8gb", but it
was definitely garbled.

A new card fixed it straight away.

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 10:16 AM, Daryl wrote:

>> I just did a card swap for a known good working one that I had here
>> and followed Autel's update instructions and it's now working
>> perfectly. The card it shipped with was crook.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Excellent, let me know what you think of it.

No worries.

Gave it a quick dance last night on the Hyundai and then on the Nissan,
and I particularly wanted to see it working on the Nissan as that threw
a P2457 error code last week after a major service.

The code relates to an EGR coolant pump error which is a common problem
on these Renault diesels as they are probe to getting a vapour lock in
the cooling system.

[John_H]

If it's a micro sd card fakes abound and most of them look genuine. A
google search would probably tell you what to look for but the easiest
way is to download this app....
https://www.heise.de/download/product/h2test-19574

It's been a major issue with dashcams which particularly dislike cards
with crook segments, to the extent that you need to very careful where
you buy them and especially on ebay. Mobile phones are far less fussy
which is probably how they manage to get away will selling fakes.

Fortunately the Autel I've bought most recently has a full size sd
card which are far less likely to be fake. Even so I still keep a
duplicate card with the tool (as well as a backup on the PC)... just
in case.

--
John H

[jonz@ nothere.com]

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Nah, borrowed?, more likely stolen!.

[Xeno]

You might well have done! In that case, pack them away in the real
owner's cupboards. They may get some use if someone else owns them.

--

Xeno

[felix]

erase it. will the scanner then format it?

[alvey]

"Yep, and his "argument" is a load of goalpost shifting irrelevant
bullshit as I've been posting through Eternal-September for as long as I
can remember and 18 year old posts from me can be found on Google Groups
in a cinch." Knobbo, 26Feb2018



alvey

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 1:31 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>> Finally you got it working! Now all you need to do is put it in your
>>> cupboard with the others so it can remain just as clean and unused
>>> looking as the other items of test equipment you have.
>>
>> What, are you not going to claim I borrowed them?
>>
>> :)
>
> You might well have done! In that case, pack them away in the real
> owner's cupboards. They may get some use if someone else owns them.

The jealousy eats at you like a cancer :)

[Clocky]

Not nearly as much as the spactard who manages to fuck up a simple update.

LOL :-)

[Clocky]

A Dunning-Kruger classic if ever there was one :-)

[Clocky]

On 18/03/2018 1:46 PM, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> Hey Daz,
>>
>> Did you have any trouble updating your AL619?
>>
>> I bought one last week from a bloke who I *think* was the same supplier
>> as yours, and I took it out of the box this morning to try it out. I was
>> able to create an account with Autel and register the device just fine.
>> The serial number was recognised right away and I was able to power up
>> the device and go in to retrieve the password.
>>
>> I then installed the software and did the recommended update and it
>> hasn't worked since :)
>>
>> The update did two things: It installed a newer version of the update
>> software on the lappy, and it installed 24 updates on the mini sd that
>> belongs to the machine. It went through both of these processes
>> successfully without any errors, but as soon as the card is installed
>> into the scanner it plays dead.

>>
>> Take the card out and it powers up with a symbol telling you to put the
>> card in, and as soon as you do you get an error message saying "no boot
>> programmer found".
>>
>> I can't do anything with it other than leave it sitting here while I
>> wait for someone from Autel to get back to me with a solution, but I was
>> wondering if you had any such troubles with yours?
>

> Based on past experienceI with Autel scan tools I can but proffer the
> same advice as I gave Daryl... which is to back up the card _before_
> you update it as you're likely to end up in deep shit if you don't!
>
> Particularly since the card will only work with the scan tool it came
> with... IOW if the card happens to get corrupted you can't simply
> replace it with one from another tool.
>
> Another common problem is that the cards supplied are too small to
> take all the updates which you should also check before updating.

>
> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>

Common sense and all that.

[Clocky]

On 18/03/2018 5:43 PM, Noddy wrote:

> On 18/03/2018 4:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I can't do anything with it other than leave it sitting here while I
>>> wait for someone from Autel to get back to me with a solution, but I was
>>> wondering if you had any such troubles with yours?
>>
>> Based on past experienceI with Autel scan tools I can but proffer the
>> same advice as I gave Daryl... which is to back up the card _before_
>> you update it as you're likely to end up in deep shit if you don't!
>>
>> Particularly since the card will only work with the scan tool it came
>> with...  IOW if the card happens to get corrupted  you can't  simply
>> replace it with one from another tool.
>>
>> Another common problem is that the cards supplied are too small to
>> take all the updates which you should also check before updating.
>>
>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>

> Shame Autel mentions *none* of this in their manual :)
>
>
>


Autel don't expect people who use their scan tools to be complete dumb
arses.

Better you get a refund, it's not like you will ever use it.

[Clocky]

On 18/03/2018 6:24 PM, Noddy wrote:

> On 18/03/2018 8:51 PM, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>>>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>>>
>>> Shame Autel mentions *none* of this in their manual :)
>>>

>> You shouldn't need to be told to *backup* anything computer related.
>> That you didn't do so puts you in the lower intelligence rung of
>> computer users. You probably didn't RTFM either - until too late.
>
> Init funny how "probably" features *so* prominently in your responses.
> It's like what you're really saying is "I have no idea, but I'm going to
> make shit up to suit myself".
>

As he didn't back up because he obviously has no idea.


> As you usually do.
>
>
>
>
>

[FMurtz]

Are these scanners MS309?

[Clocky]

On 18/03/2018 6:50 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 18/03/2018 9:47 PM, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:

>> On Sunday, 18 March 2018 21:24:57 UTC+11, Noddy  wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2018 8:51 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> In both instances it's simply a matter of rewriting the original card
>>>>>> from the backup or else copy it to a larger card.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shame Autel mentions *none* of this in their manual :)
>>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't need to be told to *backup* anything computer related.
>>>> That you didn't do so puts you in the lower intelligence rung of
>>>> computer users. You probably didn't RTFM either - until too late.
>>>
>>> Init funny how "probably" features *so* prominently in your responses.
>>> It's like what you're really saying is "I have no idea, but I'm going to
>>> make shit up to suit myself".
>>

>> ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
>> Well, Did U?...RTFM that is...Ms *backup? wass the fuck that is*....
>
> And what page in the manual does it tell you to back the card up, Festus?
>

The point is, it doesn't have to state the obvious, you dumb ass.

> I mean, you're fucking this cat, right?
>
>
>
>

[Clocky]

Haha, too true.

[Clocky]

Jealous because you bought a budget entry level scan tool you will never
use?

I'm guessing not.

[Clocky]

Probably as fake as the scan tool ;-)

[Daryl]

How did you duplicate it?
My son says that just making a copy won't work?

--
Daryl

[Daryl]

ML619

--
Daryl

[Daryl]

When I plugged it into the WRX and went to the SRS/ABS menu it gave me
the option of testing the ABS, it tells me to hold my foot on the brake
and you can feel it actuating/testing the brakes.
No option for doing that on the Benz but I suppose that's because the
car is 15yrs old.

--
Daryl

[John_H]

Simply copy the backup file to a newly formatted card.

>My son says that just making a copy won't work?

He's mistaken as I've done it a number of times. What you can't do is
transfer it to another tool as the relevant file is unique to the tool
it originally came out of.

--
John H

[John_H]

FMurtz wrote:
>
>Are these scanners MS309?

Mine certainly isn't! :)

But if you're thinking of buying one I'd suggest sticking with the
models Autel themselves sell outside China as, aside from better
support, you're less likely to cop a fake. Here's their US
listing....
http://blog.autelsale.com/2017/07/07/autel-diagnostic-scan-tools-comparison-table/

You might note that there's no MS309 listed. Either the AL301 or
AL319 are probably near equivalents, depending on how few dollars you
want to spend. :)

Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
being honoured.

--
John H

[keithr0]

There is a program called Win32DiskImager which will make a backup of an
SD card in any format. Downloadable from here :

https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 3:56 PM, FMurtz wrote:

>>> You might well have done! In that case, pack them away in the real
>>> owner's cupboards. They may get some use if someone else owns them.
>>
>> The jealousy eats at you like a cancer :)
>>
>>
>>
> Are these scanners MS309?

Autel AL619

> http://www.autel.com.au/products/scan-tool/autolink-al619/

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:

> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
> including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
> being honoured.

Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?

They're a hundred and fifty bucks....

[Noddy]

On 19/03/2018 4:16 PM, Daryl wrote:

>>
>> Gave it a quick dance last night on the Hyundai and then on the
>> Nissan, and I particularly wanted to see it working on the Nissan as
>> that threw a P2457 error code last week after a major service.
>>
>> The code relates to an EGR coolant pump error which is a common
>> problem on these Renault diesels as they are probe to getting a vapour
>> lock in the cooling system.
>>
>>
>>
> When I plugged it into the WRX and went to the SRS/ABS menu it gave me
> the option of testing the ABS, it tells me to hold my foot on the brake
> and you can feel it actuating/testing the brakes.
> No option for doing that on the Benz but I suppose that's because the
> car is 15yrs old.

Prolly.

They seem to be the shit, and are excellent value for money.

[alvey]

Yep. Not that the sociopath would ever admit it, but I wonder if he
realises this hilarious blunder yet? Well played Knobbo.



alvey

[alvey]

No no no no no. It wasn't Knobbys' fault. It was a dud card (snicker). You
must remember; *Nothing* is ever Knobbys' fault.


alvey

[alvey]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:38:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:


>
> Better you get a refund, it's not like you will ever use it.

The tools in his tin shed are going to be worth a few dollars to Mrs Knobby
after he drops off. She'll need a keyboard macro to write "As new
condition" for all his shiny toys else she's risking RSI.



alvey

[felix]

LOL

>
> alvey

[John_H]

Noddy wrote:

>On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>
>> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
>> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
>> including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
>> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
>> being honoured.
>
>Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?

Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well? :)

>They're a hundred and fifty bucks....

I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.

A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
modern cars. EPB comes immediately to mind!

Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!

It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).

Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson. :)

--
John H

[Clocky]

Haha yes, though I think BNIB would be more apt a description.

[Clocky]

On 20/03/2018 6:11 AM, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
>>> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
>>> including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
>>> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
>>> being honoured.
>>
>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>
> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well? :)
>
>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>
> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.
>
> A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
> modern cars. EPB comes immediately to mind!
>
> Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!
>
> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).
>

His will never be anything more then a cupboard stuffer just so he can
say he has one.

> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson. :)
>

Burson being an Autel distributor which the dwarf laughably claimed they
were no longer and which is what I use if I need it though for some
makes and modes the G-scan is the go.

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 9:11 AM, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
>>> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
>>> including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
>>> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
>>> being honoured.
>>
>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>
> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well? :)
>
>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>
> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.
>
> A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
> modern cars. EPB comes immediately to mind!

It's Ok, he can't properly interpret those codes it throws up anyway.

>
> Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!
>
> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).
>
> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson. :)
>

Noddy's shed and workshop equipment are for show, not for running a
commercial business, so whether the code scanner works competently is
neither here nor there. All part of the Noddy bluff and bluster show!

--

Xeno

[Daryl]

On 19/3/18 4:43 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 19/3/18 1:09 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately the Autel I've bought most recently has a full size sd
>>> card which are far less likely to be fake. Even so I still keep a
>>> duplicate card with the tool (as well as a backup on the PC)... just
>>> in case.
>>>
>> How did you duplicate it?
>
> Simply copy the backup file to a newly formatted card.

Mine wouldn't back up but that could be because I normally use a Mac, we
do have a PC so I will try it again using the PC.

>
>> My son says that just making a copy won't work?
>
> He's mistaken as I've done it a number of times. What you can't do is
> transfer it to another tool as the relevant file is unique to the tool
> it originally came out of.
>

I asked about just copying the files from one card to another, copying a
backup is different.

--
Daryl

[Daryl]

Thanks
He did say something about copying the "image".

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 9:11 AM, John_H wrote:

>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>
> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well? :)

No, but if something looks like it, smells like it and does the same job
I don't care who makes it :)

>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>
> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.
>
> A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
> modern cars. EPB comes immediately to mind!
>
> Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!
>
> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).
>
> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson. :)

I probably would too, but for my needs this thing will be adequate.

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 10:26 AM, Xeno wrote:

>> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
>> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
>> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).
>>
>> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
>> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson.  :)
>>
> Noddy's shed and workshop equipment are for show, not for running a
> commercial business, so whether the code scanner works competently is
> neither here nor there. All part of the Noddy bluff and bluster show!

Yeah, right. I spent a hundred grand building the shed and about another
hundred kitting it out *just* so I could brag about it on aus.cars to
redundant retards like you.

Your idiocy is a bottomless pit....

[Daryl]

On 20/3/18 9:11 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
>>> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
>>> including local stock. Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
>>> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
>>> being honoured.
>>
>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>
> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well? :)
>
>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>
> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.

Certainly does.

>
> A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
> modern cars.

AL619 is good enough for most "servicing".

EPB comes immediately to mind!
>
> Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!

>
> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).

The AL619 does the engine plus ABS and airbag which is more than enough
for anything I will ever need.

>
> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson. :)

Of course in that case it would be well worth spending the money.

--
Daryl

[Clocky]

His other unused BNIB showpieces are a testament to that!

[keithr0]

It makes a binary copy sector by sector and cares not what format the
data is in. I use it to make cards for Linux machines and other micro
controllers. Windows cannot read them but that doesn't matter.

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 10:38 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/03/2018 9:11 AM, John_H wrote:
>
>>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>>
>> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well?  :)
>
> No, but if something looks like it, smells like it and does the same job
> I don't care who makes it :)

Counterfeit notes do all that - until someone clever catches on. No
worries for you there anyway.

>
>>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>>
>> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.
>>
>>   A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
>> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
>> modern cars.  EPB comes immediately to mind!
>>
>> Good luck if you can get your $150 job to read a climate control code!
>>
>> It will also restrict you to no more than four modules whereas most of
>> the modern stuff will have well in excess of twenty (son's 10 year old
>> Jeep comes up with thirteen on my inadequate scan tool).
>>
>> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
>> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson.  :)
>
> I probably would too, but for my needs this thing will be adequate.

Indeed since you, in your now seemingly not so well equipped workshop,
will not be doing any in-depth diagnosis of automotive issues. Hell, you
had to beg for assistance when your scan tool stuffed up out of the box.


--

Xeno

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 10:51 AM, Daryl wrote:
> On 20/3/18 9:11 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/03/2018 5:46 PM, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also be particularly careful if you're buying on ebay as virtually all
>>>> of their listings are grey imports being offered by Chinese merchants,
>>>> including local stock.  Even if they do come with a warranty you'd
>>>> probably need to send the item back to China to have any hope of it
>>>> being honoured.
>>>
>>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?
>>
>> Are you into printing counterfeit notes as well?  :)
>>
>>> They're a hundred and fifty bucks....
>>
>> I guess that all depends on what you need it to do.
>
> Certainly does.
>>
>>   A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
>> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
>> modern cars.
>
>
> AL619 is good enough for most "servicing".

Yeah, it'll be ok for oil, filter changes. No real use on diagnostics as
the in-depth info isn't there. It will be totally useless on anything
with a GDI engine since the new sensors they use are confusing enough in
their diagnosis without an understanding of the underlying principles of
GDI. Noddy lacks that understanding and more. The AL619 is no panacea
for an untrained diagnostician and, more likely, will lead to the
replacement of many perfectly serviceable components.


--

Xeno

[jonz@ nothere.com]

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Yep, a prime example of *Look at me*, coz theres no way known that you will recoup even a two figure percentaGE of the cost at $40 p/h...Small mans disease writ large..PFffftttt.

[John_H]

Daryl wrote:
>
>The AL619 does the engine plus ABS and airbag which is more than enough
>for anything I will ever need.

So it should be, unless you're doing a considerable amount of service
work across a range of makes and models!

You could've even had an AL519, which covers the two modules that put
up the vast majority of fault codes you're ever likely to see, for
considerably less than $100. Only reason I mention it is in the 10
years or so I've had a diagnostic scan tool (the next rung up from a
code reader) I've only ever come across one airbag code (because the
owner had removed the airbag). I'm yet to see an ABS code but other
modules (which yours can't see) have arisen.

The other things I'd liked to have been able to have done recently,
but couldn't, is to change module settings... such as the TPMS
pressure (where a vehicle is being used off road it's a PITA to have
fault codes come up) and to recalibrate speedos (the fact that the
modern ones read fast also shits me off). A more advanced tool could
probably do both of those things and a lot more besides.

Unfortunately the price is somewhat more than I'd entrust to a Chinese
merchant on ebay.

--
John H

[John_H]

Daryl wrote:
>On 19/3/18 4:43 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>
>>>
>>> How did you duplicate it?
>>
>> Simply copy the backup file to a newly formatted card.
>
>Mine wouldn't back up but that could be because I normally use a Mac, we
>do have a PC so I will try it again using the PC.

Were you able to update your code reader on your Mac?
(If so it's recent change as Autel's software only used to work with a
PC.)

>>> My son says that just making a copy won't work?
>>
>> He's mistaken as I've done it a number of times. What you can't do is
>> transfer it to another tool as the relevant file is unique to the tool
>> it originally came out of.
>>
>I asked about just copying the files from one card to another, copying a
>backup is different.

No idea why that should be. For backup I simply copy the files to the
PC into a folder I've called called "Autel Backup". To restore or
create a duplicate card I copy the files back.

I've done it on numerous occasions and the duplicate card behaves
exactly the same as the original. I've also updated a duplicate card
on the Autel site, which it recognises as being exactly the same as
the original that came with the tool.

I also keep a copy of the files on the original card before it was
updated as I'm aware that the updates sometimes get corrupted during
downloading. Thus I can also revert back to the original card if ever
needed.

--
John H

[jonz@ nothere.com]

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Sez the old sheila that spent $200,000 on a white elephant!.

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 12:57 PM, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:

>> Yeah, right. I spent a hundred grand building the shed and about another
>> hundred kitting it out *just* so I could brag about it on aus.cars to
>> redundant retards like you.
>
> ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
> Yep, a prime example of *Look at me*, coz theres no way known that you will recoup even a two figure percentaGE of the cost at $40 p/h...Small mans disease writ large..PFffftttt.

*fuck* you're a mong.

If I was doing it to make a profit I would never have done it in the
first place. I'd already been there and done that. This is my retirement
toy.

Not that you'd ever understand, right? You managed to squirrel away
*just* enough coin on retiring to make it to your first welfare handout....

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 12:12 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>> Consequently if I were running a commercial repair business, which I'm
>>> not, I'd probably be looking at a MaxiSys from Burson.  :)
>>
>> I probably would too, but for my needs this thing will be adequate.
>
> Indeed since you, in your now seemingly not so well equipped workshop,
> will not be doing any in-depth diagnosis of automotive issues. Hell, you
> had to beg for assistance when your scan tool stuffed up out of the box.

From the automotive guru who's claim to fame in the last quarter of a
century is changing an engine mount and "booking a car in" for a new set
of wiper blades.

That is, when he's not busy talking shit about imaginary friends :)

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 12:31 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>>
>>>   A hundred and fifty bucks will get you a basic code reader (AutoSys)
>>> which won't do much of the stuff that's become essential for servicing
>>> modern cars.
>>
>>
>> AL619 is good enough for most "servicing".
>
> Yeah, it'll be ok for oil, filter changes.

Why would you need such a tool for a lube service, and what exactly is
your experience with this particular model?

[felix]

On 20/03/2018 10:39 AM, Noddy wrote:
> I spent a hundred grand building the shed and about another hundred
> kitting it out *just* so I could brag about it on aus.cars
>
>

so you finally admit it..

[Daryl]

On 20/3/18 12:59 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 19/3/18 4:43 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> How did you duplicate it?
>>>
>>> Simply copy the backup file to a newly formatted card.
>>
>> Mine wouldn't back up but that could be because I normally use a Mac, we
>> do have a PC so I will try it again using the PC.
>
> Were you able to update your code reader on your Mac?

Yes.

> (If so it's recent change as Autel's software only used to work with a
> PC.)
>
>>>> My son says that just making a copy won't work?
>>>
>>> He's mistaken as I've done it a number of times. What you can't do is
>>> transfer it to another tool as the relevant file is unique to the tool
>>> it originally came out of.
>>>
>> I asked about just copying the files from one card to another, copying a
>> backup is different.
>
> No idea why that should be. For backup I simply copy the files to the
> PC into a folder I've called called "Autel Backup". To restore or
> create a duplicate card I copy the files back.
>
> I've done it on numerous occasions and the duplicate card behaves
> exactly the same as the original. I've also updated a duplicate card
> on the Autel site, which it recognises as being exactly the same as
> the original that came with the tool.
>
> I also keep a copy of the files on the original card before it was
> updated as I'm aware that the updates sometimes get corrupted during
> downloading. Thus I can also revert back to the original card if ever
> needed.
>

I was going to do it that way but my son told me it wouldn't work, did I
waste all my money sending him to university to study IT:-)
I will give it a try.


--
Daryl

[Clocky]

Yep.

Just look at the shit you have collected to park on that lousy 2 acre
fringe residential block.

It's all show and pretense in a desperate attempt to compensate for your
lack of substance, you desperate little man.

[jonz@ nothere.com]

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
AH, nerves and the striking thereof....<FHG>

[John_H]

Noddy wrote:
>On 20/03/2018 9:11 AM, John_H wrote:
>
>>> Just as a follow up, who gives a crap if they're a grey import as long
>>> as they do the job and are recognised by Autel for updates?

Odd then that you expected Autel to support yours when you thought you
had a problem (which of course they won't since the support base is
back in China). :)

Otherwise grey imports are fine provided they're not fakes (if you did
happen to land a fake Autel wouldn't register it).

--
John H

[Clocky]

When he stuffed it up after getting it out of the box you mean.

He could have avoided that by putting it in the cabnet, unopened, like
he did with all his other scan toys.

[Clocky]

On 19/03/2018 10:05 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/03/2018 10:16 AM, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> I just did a card swap for a known good working one that I had here
>>> and followed Autel's update instructions and it's now working
>>> perfectly. The card it shipped with was crook.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Excellent, let me know what you think of it.
>
> No worries.

>
> Gave it a quick dance last night on the Hyundai and then on the Nissan,
> and I particularly wanted to see it working on the Nissan as that threw
> a P2457 error code last week after a major service.
>
> The code relates to an EGR coolant pump error which is a common problem
> on these Renault diesels as they are probe to getting a vapour lock in
> the cooling system.
>
>
>

Did your mechanic or Google tell you that?

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 12:57 PM, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:

Especially since it's located on a bleak mesa in Merrimu.

Talk about overcapitalising on a poor investment.


--

Xeno

[jonz@ nothere.com]

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 12:59:14 UTC+11, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
> >
> >The AL619 does the engine plus ABS and airbag which is more than enough
> >for anything I will ever need.
>
> So it should be, unless you're doing a considerable amount of service
> work across a range of makes and models!
>
> You could've even had an AL519, which covers the two modules that put
> up the vast majority of fault codes you're ever likely to see, for
> considerably less than $100. Only reason I mention it is in the 10
> years or so I've had a diagnostic scan tool (the next rung up from a
> code reader) I've only ever come across one airbag code (because the
> owner had removed the airbag). I'm yet to see an ABS code but other
> modules (which yours can't see) have arisen.
>
> The other things I'd liked to have been able to have done recently,
> but couldn't, is to change module settings... such as the TPMS
> pressure (where a vehicle is being used off road it's a PITA to have
> fault codes come up) and to recalibrate speedos (the fact that the
> modern ones read fast also shits me off).

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Yer obviously easily *shitted*...Once you know the variation wheres the problem?.

[Xeno]

My friends are real! You're just too gutless to verify that when given
proof such as a website, name and phone number! That is *your* problem!

--

Xeno

[Xeno]

It's all you're doing and would be good enough for a check to see if
*any codes* are cropping up. I know the limitations of the scan tools
and even the one I have isn't a serious diagnostic tool. I do have
access to a serious diagnostic tool however.


--

Xeno

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 3:52 PM, felix wrote:
> On 20/03/2018 10:39 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> I spent a hundred grand building the shed and about another hundred
>> kitting it out *just* so I could brag about it on aus.cars
>>
>>
>
> so you finally admit it..
>
>

Why else would you have a kitted out workshop like that when an accident
has rendered you unable to fully utilise it? I'll bet he's a hoot at
these street parties they have out there - always bragging about the
overkill shed.

--

Xeno

[Xeno]

On 20/03/2018 5:35 PM, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:34:13 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/03/2018 12:57 PM, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah, right. I spent a hundred grand building the shed and about another
>>>> hundred kitting it out *just* so I could brag about it on aus.cars to
>>>> redundant retards like you.
>>>
>>> ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
>>> Yep, a prime example of *Look at me*, coz theres no way known that you will recoup even a two figure percentaGE of the cost at $40 p/h...Small mans disease writ large..PFffftttt.
>>
>> *fuck* you're a mong.
>>
>> If I was doing it to make a profit I would never have done it in the
>> first place. I'd already been there and done that. This is my retirement
>> toy.
>>
>> Not that you'd ever understand, right? You managed to squirrel away

>> *just* enough coin on retiring to make it to your first welfare handout.....

>
> ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
> AH, nerves and the striking thereof....<FHG>

Makes you want to take him fishing - as the bait!


--

Xeno

[Xeno]

Possibly he stuffed up the service and *created* the vapour?? lock in
the cooling system. Google helped him out of a dilemma he created.

Either that or it was an issue he *heard about* but doesn't fully
comprehend. That seems to be the case here.

There is another issue that Noddy seems not to be able to comprehend here.
Vapour locks are *fuel system issues*. The fuel turns into a vapour, a
*gas*, due to excessive heat.

In cooling systems the issue is an *air lock*, typically where the
system has been incorrectly bled after a coolant flush and refill.

The only time you get a *vapour lock* in a cooling system is when
*coolant boils* and turns into *steam*. That is caused by localised hot
spots, typically in cylinder heads and specifically around the exhaust
valve area - the hottest part of the engine. That aggravates cooling
issues in a big way.

Noddy clearly does not know the difference between an airlock and a
vapour lock. And it is a *huge difference*.


--

Xeno

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 8:33 PM, Xeno wrote:

>> Did your mechanic or Google tell you that?
>>
>
> Possibly he stuffed up the service and *created* the vapour?? lock in
> the cooling system. Google helped him out of a dilemma he created.

There's that "possibly" thing that you like to cling to...

> Either that or it was an issue he *heard about* but doesn't fully
> comprehend. That seems to be the case here.

Does it "seem to" Kryppy? :)

> There is another issue that Noddy seems not to be able to comprehend here.

Yeah, there is. How you can have the gall to show yourself in here after
*all* the bullshit that's blown back into your own face.

Staggering.

[Noddy]

On 20/03/2018 4:01 PM, Daryl wrote:

>> I also keep a copy of the files on the original card before it was
>> updated as I'm aware that the updates sometimes get corrupted during
>> downloading.  Thus I can also revert back to the original card if ever
>> needed.
>>
> I was going to do it that way but my son told me it wouldn't work, did I
> waste all my money sending him to university to study IT:-)
> I will give it a try.

For what it's worth after I was able to get the update installed on the
replacement card I was able to copy the contents of that card onto my PC
without any problems. I don't have another spare Mini SD card here to
try it back the other way, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't
work as John described.