Barra 190 smartest engine The smartest engine Australia has ever produced.
Dan---
SMART TECHNOLOGY SPEARHEADS FORD ENGINE LINE-UP
We've taken the most technologically advanced six-cylinder engine we had
ever produced
and made it even better. It's now a smarter design in every key area –
technology,
performance, refinement, fuel economy and emissions.
– Trevor Worthington, Product and Development Vice President, Ford Australia
Ford Australia has introduced a series of upgrades to the engine line-up
that will power
the BF Falcon and SY Territory range.
“The new Falcon and Territory will boast an engine line-up offering
the latest technology, providing customers with substantial
improvements in fuel economy, increased performance and greatly
improved levels of refinement,” said Ford Australia Product and
Development Vice President Trevor Worthington.
“The addition of dual independent variable camshaft timing and dual
knock sensors keeps the engine powering the new vehicles at the
forefront of automotive technology.
“Customers will notice the gains from the minute they turn the key
with greater refinement, extra performance each time they press the
accelerator, and most importantly, see improvements in fuel economy
for all petrol versions each time they fill up their vehicle.”
Worthington said the engine improvements were driven by feedback
from customers looking for an improvement in fuel economy but,
importantly, not at any cost to the levels of power and refinement
they were used to.
“With the introduction of this new engine programme, Ford Australia is
providing customers
with the best of both worlds – more useable performance, cleaner
emissions and increased
fuel economy for all petrol engines.
"This strategy has also helped us meet all the requirements of the
stringent Euro III emissions
legislation which come into force on January 1, 2006.
“Working in combination with our new ZF six-speed automatic, revised Ion
four-speed
automatic and the Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission, the BF
Falcon and SY
Territory are truly world-class cars,” Worthington said.
Barra 190
The new Barra 190 spearheads the engine range, building on the strengths
of the DOHC inline
six first seen in the BA Falcon released in 2002.
The Barra 190 adds to that critically acclaimed engine with a superb
combination of power,
torque, refinement and fuel economy.
“The changes implemented in the program mean the Barra 190 is the best
in-line six cylinder
engine Ford Australia has produced and one that ranks with the best I6
engines in the world,”
Engine Design Supervisor Colin Reddington said.
“With the Barra 190, customers will have access to the inherent
smoothness only an in-line
six can provide with an abundance of torque, the refinement of a state
of the art double
overhead camshaft design and greatly improved levels of fuel economy.
“The Barra 190 really has everything in terms of technology and
features: double overhead
cams, 24 valves, increased compression ratio for a more fuel efficient
burn, dual independent
variable camshaft timing. It's got all the features you’d want in a top
of the line engine,” he
said. Reddington said the engine team was excited by the possibilities
brought about by the
inclusion of the latest generation dual independent variable camshaft
timing.
“We had twin VCT phasers in the BA Falcon, which was an excellent
platform for this
program. In the Barra 190 each phaser can rotate each camshaft
independently to maximize
power, torque and fuel economy.”
Dual independent VCT delivers a significant low speed torque enhancement
and sustains it
throughout the engine speed range.
“In addition to the improved performance across a broad rev range, there
is a noticeable
decrease in fuel consumption, especially at part throttle.
“At cruise on the highway, where throttle openings are reduced, the
system is able to retard
the timing by as much as 50 degrees.
“The VCT phasers also retard the camshaft angle at part throttle loads
and advance the angle
for higher loads, or under wide open throttle applications.
“This optimises the cam timing for the range of engine conditions
enabling maximum low
speed torque and best high rpm power.
“This cuts fuel consumption as well as providing internal exhaust gas
recirculation that helps
lower tailpipe emissions,” he said.
At idle, the intake camshaft is retarded by 18 degrees for improved
combustion stability
providing smoother running.
“Traditionally, four-valve engines demonstrate a strong top end but can
suffer from a weak
bottom end. Thanks to the dual independent VCT system and a well proven
variable intake
system the new engine provides purposeful torque from very low revs.”
He said the transition through the advance/retard range was seamless,
unlike some less
advanced systems where there is a noticeable switch point. The amount of
adjustment is determined by comparing the position of the camshaft with a
pre-mapped calibration.
Each camshaft on the I6 engine is fitted with a camshaft phaser that
allows up to 60-degrees
of variation, depending on engine load and speed.
"From the pin-lock position we are able to advance 10 degrees and retard
up to 50 degrees.
The variation is achieved via oil-pressure acting against the phaser,"
Reddington said.
An oil control valve directing oil pressure to each cam phaser is
located to provide an
immediate and reliable response. Both control valves are activated
simultaneously by
impulses received from the Powertrain Control Module.
Mounting the oil control valve within the cylinder head assembly removes
the need for
separate oil ways and offers greater durability and reliability, as well
as packaging
efficiencies and weight savings.
To ensure perfect seating of the camshafts, four oil control galley
plates are bolted to the top
of the cylinder head before the galleys for the camshafts are bored. The
front two house the
oil control valves.
Each of the four galley plates is unique so they cannot be mismatched
during in-field service.
The galley plates locate on dowels sunk into the head for perfect
positioning every time.
“What it means for the customer is instant power when you need it,
combined with a
noticeable improvement in fuel economy.”
Compression ratio increase / Dual knock sensors
Adding a second knock sensor to all I6 engines enabled engineers to
deliver fuel economy
benefits by taking advantage of an increased compression ratio.
The upgraded I6 engine features an increased compression ratio for
improved power and
better fuel economy. “The new pistons feature a revised crown profile,
which delivers a compression ratio increase
from 9.7:1 to 10.3:1 on the base I6 petrol engine.
"The pistons are also stiffer and feature a new pin bore which improves
refinement, while
retaining the high durability levels Ford engines are renowned for,"
said Reddington.
“Dual knock sensors provided the foundation for a strategy change which
enables the
Powertrain Control Module (PCM) to optimise the ignition timing for each
individual
cylinder.
“This has resulted in improved engine performance via more accurate
spark control,
improvements in fuel economy and improved levels of powertrain refinement.”
Reddington explained four modes of spark control were employed in the
engine programme.
Individual / averaged spark correction is a performance mode which uses
50 per cent of the
individual cylinder correction and 50 per cent of engine average spark
correction. This gives
a more consistent performance for a fast revving engine under heavy loads.
“Individual fast only spark correction reacts to detonation noise and
retards the spark for the
next firing event on the same cylinder. This mode provides optimum fuel
efficiency because
spark is only retarded when detonation is ‘heard’ by the system.
“Individual slow / fast spark correction is applied in addition to the
fast only mode. Slow
correction remembers the spark advance used on previous events and is
slowly removed if
knock is not detected for a few seconds, adding to the refinement levels
of the engine.
“The fourth mode is no spark correction, used at low engine loads where
detonation is not
possible. As a result, no spark correction is applied and the engine
runs at the optimum
spark timing.” While the engine is calibrated to deliver benefits for
all types of petrol users, Reddington said
the addition of a second knock sensor meant customers could obtain
further performance and
economy benefits from using premium unleaded fuel (95 RON).
Ignition system
All Ford I6 engines in the programme – Barra 190, Barra 245T and
Barra E-Gas – include an ignition system featuring adaptive and
variable dwell enabling more efficient ignition control across the
speed / load range.
“Adaptive dwell takes account of the battery voltage and temperature
of the coil windings in the ignition system, ensuring a reliable,
repeatable charge.
“The variable dwell delivers maximum coil energy when required
voltage is high – under heavy acceleration for example – and
minimum coil energy when the engine is cruising, or at idle.”
Reddington said the I6 engines also featured the latest in spark plug
technology.
“Spark plugs in all I6 engines now have a 0.5mm finewire centre
electrode – the smallest
available –and platinum pad ground electrodes.
“They have been optimised for idle stability and help prevent misfire at
high time in service
in every one of the I6 engine line-up.”
Camshafts
Reddington said every I6 engine in the programme had benefited from
revised camshafts.
“The profiles have been specifically selected to work with the dual
independent VCT strategy
and provide optimum performance for customers.
Camshafts
Reddington said every I6 engine in the programme had benefited from
revised camshafts.
“The profiles have been specifically selected to work with the dual
independent VCT strategy
and provide optimum performance for customers. “We worked closely with
powertrain engineers in Ford US, who helped with advanced CAE
techniques to define the optimum cam durations. From this we devised
specific profiles for
compatibility with our valvetrain.
“Those CAE models also helped us further refine the engine strategy.”
Reddington said exhaust duration on the Barra 190 was 256 degrees (246
at BA) and inlet
duration also 256 degrees (251 at BA).
“These new camshaft profiles will benefit the customer in terms of
cleaner, smoother power
delivery and increased fuel economy.”
Refinement / economy
Reddington explained two key factors driving the engine upgrades were to
improve
refinement and fuel economy.
“We have incorporated a number of measures which specifically target
those key areas.”
The Barra 190 will use a new lower viscosity engine oil, changing from a
10W30 GF2 to a
new 5W30 GF3 for less friction and improved fuel economy, particularly
at lower engine
operating temperatures.
The I6 air intake system has been significantly revised resulting in
lower overall noise levels,
as well as a purer engine tone during acceleration.
Power steering pumps have been revised by optimising fluid flow
discharge timing, further
improving the refinement levels of the I6 engines.
“We have also incorporated a new ‘smart’ alternator on all I6 engines,
which ramps voltage
changes smoothly, making a smoother idle easier to control.
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Regards
Dan.
Trevor Wilson
"Dan---" <mitsu380g...@isp.com> wrote in message
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> If its so smart then why can't it make a cup of coffee. :-p
>
>
> SMART TECHNOLOGY SPEARHEADS FORD ENGINE LINE-UP
**Kudos to Ford for sticking with an in-line Six.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
D Walford
> If its so smart then why can't it make a cup of coffee. :-p
What makes you so sure it can't:-)
Daryl
Dan---
Don't be crazy engines are not built to make coffee!.
Although they do heat water. ;-)
--
Regards
Dan.
Greg
190kW, and not squeezing out an extra kW or two. :)
Greg.
atec
Thats for next year , a simple chip and zorst will add another 20 kw easy .
taxman
polite??
"Greg" <greg.REMO...@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
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Greg
You can't get a Fairlane with the turbo 6. (which is disappointing, but I
digress :)
Surely with a larger engine than Holden, Ford could have gone higher than
190, but they didn't. I'm genuinely surprised.
Greg.
"taxman" <tax...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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rmcgrice
news:4354af52$0$28023$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
> If its so smart then why can't it make a cup of coffee. :-p
>
>
> SMART TECHNOLOGY SPEARHEADS FORD ENGINE LINE-UP
> We've taken the most technologically advanced six-cylinder engine we
> had ever produced
> and made it even better. It's now a smarter design in every key area –
> technology,
> performance, refinement, fuel economy and emissions.
> – Trevor Worthington, Product and Development Vice President, Ford
> Australia Ford Australia has introduced a series of upgrades to the
> engine line-up that will power
> the BF Falcon and SY Territory range.
> “The new Falcon and Territory will boast an engine line-up offering
> the latest technology, providing customers with substantial
> improvements in fuel economy, increased performance and greatly
> improved levels of refinement,” said Ford Australia Product and
> Development Vice President Trevor Worthington.
> “The addition of dual independent variable camshaft timing and dual
> knock sensors keeps the engine powering the new vehicles at the
> forefront of automotive technology.
From Jaguar
> “Customers will notice the gains from the minute they turn the key
> with greater refinement, extra performance each time they press the
> accelerator, and most importantly, see improvements in fuel economy
> for all petrol versions each time they fill up their vehicle.”
> Worthington said the engine improvements were driven by feedback
> from customers looking for an improvement in fuel economy but,
> importantly, not at any cost to the levels of power and refinement
> they were used to.
>
> “With the introduction of this new engine programme, Ford Australia is
> providing customers
> with the best of both worlds – more useable performance, cleaner
> emissions and increased
> fuel economy for all petrol engines.
> "This strategy has also helped us meet all the requirements of the
> stringent Euro III emissions
> legislation which come into force on January 1, 2006.
> “Working in combination with our new ZF six-speed automatic, revised
> Ion four-speed
> automatic and the Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission, the BF
> Falcon and SY
Again from Jaguar
Next step will be the Jaguar V6 twin turbo diesel..
D Walford
> I want to know why they were so polite to Holden, by merely matching their
> 190kW, and not squeezing out an extra kW or two. :)
>
The engine already makes more than enough power for a family sedan, the
price of petrol means fuel ecomomy improvements are more important.
Daryl
Noddy
"Greg" <greg.REMO...@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
> Surely with a larger engine than Holden, Ford could have gone higher than
> 190, but they didn't. I'm genuinely surprised.
I'm not.
The more power it makes the thirstier it'll be, and the Barra engine has
already been criticised as a drunkard. The improvements mentioned are
already in the Territory right now apparently, and while the fuel economy
improvement is a benefit, it's far from "substancial" (5% according to the
Herald-Sun, which wouldn't be noticale to most).
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Noddy.
Deltic
"Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> "Dan---" <mitsu380g...@isp.com> wrote in message
> news:4354af52$0$28023$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > If its so smart then why can't it make a cup of coffee. :-p
> >
> >
> > SMART TECHNOLOGY SPEARHEADS FORD ENGINE LINE-UP
>
> **Kudos to Ford for sticking with an in-line Six.
I agree. The straight six is the most elegant engine configuration.
'Tis a shame the Ford's is such an uninspiring lump.
tla...@visto.com
the inline six... besides BMW...
I don't think the Barra and turbo six will ever be that economical but
that's probably not a primary concern.
T.
Kev
Jaguar make neither the Tremec T56 or the ZF boxes
the Tremec I believe is based on the old Ford Top loader box
and ZF are a German(?) Comany
hardly a Jag thing
Kev
> > 展orking in combination with our new ZF six-speed automatic, revised
DalienX
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:21:16 +1000, "Greg"
> <greg.REMO...@THIScomputer.org> scribbled thusly:
>
> > I want to know why they were so polite to Holden, by merely
> > matching their 190kW, and not squeezing out an extra kW or two. :)
> >
> > Greg.
> >
>
> Maybe they're worried taht GovCo will put an HP cap on cars that P
> Platers can drive.
>
>
They already have.
125kw per tonn
Kev
tla...@visto.com wrote:
>
> I can't seem think of many other manufacturers who are sticking with
> the inline six... besides BMW...
the move to V6 is for space saving only
inline 6 is a much smoother engine
as was the old straight 8
Kev
Trevor Wilson
"Deltic" <nos...@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
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**True enough, but it is a whole bunch better than the iron V6 which was in
the Dunnydore. Dunno about the new alloy thingy.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Trevor Wilson
<tla...@visto.com> wrote in message
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>I can't seem think of many other manufacturers who are sticking with
> the inline six... besides BMW...
**And Toyota (Lexus, Land Cruiser).
>
> I don't think the Barra and turbo six will ever be that economical but
> that's probably not a primary concern.
**The existing Turbo Six ain't too shabby in the economy stakes.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Cartman
Cartman
feel more powerful than a Ford simply because of the way they are geared
(Alloytec excepted).
Cartman
the BW version.
Kev wrote:
> Jaguar make neither the Tremec T56 or the ZF boxes
>
> the Tremec I believe is based on the old Ford Top loader box
>
> and ZF are a German(?) Comany
>
> hardly a Jag thing
>
> Kev
>
>
>
>>>“Working in combination with our new ZF six-speed automatic, revised
rmcgrice
@optunet.com.au:
>
> Jaguar make neither the Tremec T56 or the ZF boxes
>
> the Tremec I believe is based on the old Ford Top loader box
>
> and ZF are a German(?) Comany
ZF is the one I meant, and yes it is german.
A lot of manufacturers use it and Jaguar have been using it for some
time, now.
>
> hardly a Jag thing
Okay, try this for size. Ford own Jaguar and Landrover.
To cut costs the Jaguar engine/transmission (ZF) have been installed in
some Landrover products. It is also likely that the Jaguar Diesel/ZF
auto combo will be put in the Territory. Ford AU have already fitted
one, which they got from the diesel S Type Jaguar that did the rounds
down under. If it succeeds, why not a twin turbo diesel Falcon?
>
> Kev
Trevor Wilson
"Cartman" <magn...@nospam.westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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**Yikes! I have an iron V6 (VP Dunnydore). Whilst it has great torque down
low, it is a horrible engine for a car. It's rough, noisy and is appalling
on the open road at high(ish) speeds. OTOH, it is capable of phenomenal
economy (I can get nearly 1,000km on a tank of fuel). My previous car was a
VL. The Nissan Six was simply lovely to drive. Particularly on the open
road. However, it's economy was uninspiring.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
Noddy
> The new alloy feels slower and rougher than the old Buick-based 3800.
Which one are you talking about?
There was nothing rough about the one I was in a little while ago.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Dan---
> The new alloy feels slower and rougher than the old Buick-based 3800.
The ones I have driven felt smoother than the ecotec 3800.
--
Regards
Dan.
Dan---
>
> Which one are you talking about?
>
> There was nothing rough about the one I was in a little while ago.
The 175 and 190 kw models I have driven didn't seem rough at all
although the 175kw jobbie was as uninspiring to drive as a cardigan.
190kw with 6 speed manual there is some fun in it. The V8 fuck yeah all
the way. :-)
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Dan.
Dan---
>
> the move to V6 is for space saving only
> inline 6 is a much smoother engine
> as was the old straight 8
Yeah but there is some inline 6's cars I have driven were rough as guts
as well. I don't particullly find the BA inline 6 to be all that smooth
at the top end. My Calais sort of has a lumpy rock idle which I love and
once its going its smooth all the way. :-)
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Regards
Dan.
Dan---
>
> Yeah but there is some inline 6's cars I have driven were rough as guts
> as well. I don't particullly find the BA inline 6 to be all that smooth
> at the top end. My Calais sort of has a lumpy rock idle which I love and
> once its going its smooth all the way. :-)
Calais V8 that is I wouldn't bother with a 6 cylinder model.
:-)
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Dan.
TheTaipan
Cartman, from those I know who have driven them, they absolutely love them.
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TheTaipan
up for a second disadvantage of the inline 6 - ie its length means that it
crosses one crumple zone. In the event of a severe accident, that means a
lot of frontal impact energy will bypass one zone. Falcon has something to
counter that, but I can't remember what it was... I think the engine drops
to the ground if I remember right???
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Dan---
I think the engine drops
> to the ground if I remember right???
Does it also sit, heel and roll over too.
:-)
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Dan.
TheTaipan
smartarse!
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atec
>Not just space saving, a lot of clever engineering has to take place to make
>up for a second disadvantage of the inline 6 - ie its length means that it
>crosses one crumple zone. In the event of a severe accident, that means a
>lot of frontal impact energy will bypass one zone. Falcon has something to
>counter that, but I can't remember what it was... I think the engine drops
>to the ground if I remember right???
>
>
>
Just like BMW and Jag they also drop the motor under the car in a smash
, the I6 is a reasonably cheap motor that performs well and produced
high levels of torque
the v6 although shorter brings its own series of problems
tla...@visto.com
like 60 degrees so they do collapse in a big hit.
Also I think the Toyota 1JZ/2JZ motors are either Japanese only now
(ie. not for export except in Lexus cars).
T.
Kev
Dan--- wrote:
>
> TheTaipan wrote:
> I think the engine drops
> > to the ground if I remember right???
>
> Does it also sit, heel and roll over too.
> :-)
That depends on how it's being driven and by whom
Kev
Kev
Cartman wrote:
>
> The Tremec is based on the Borg-Warner T56. In the US the Mustang has
> the BW version.
>
I remember reading a few years ago that the Tremec company bought the
rights and tooling for the toploder from Ford and started making a 5
speed version, being just as strong as the old 4 speed
there was mention of Mexico, the company was based there or had a
factory there, I can't remember now
Kev
Dan---
> No but I'm trying to get mine to bring my slippers!
Oh.
>
> smartarse!
LOL
Thank ya! :-)
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Noddy
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> Not just space saving, a lot of clever engineering has to take place to
> make up for a second disadvantage of the inline 6 - ie its length means
> that it crosses one crumple zone. In the event of a severe accident, that
> means a lot of frontal impact energy will bypass one zone. Falcon has
> something to counter that, but I can't remember what it was... I think
> the engine drops to the ground if I remember right???
That's how it's supposed to work, and probably does in most cases.
However, last week at the damaged car auctions there was a BA XR6T that had
hit something *extremely* hard in the front at a very high speed. and the
engine was broken away from the trans and almost in the back seat.
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Noddy.
rmcgrice
@optunet.com.au:
Tremec Transmissions
Borg Warner transmissions are now owned by Tremec Corp, however, the
design remains unchanged between the two transmission lines. Borg Warner
transmissions, for the most part, use a single rail gear selector and
carbon fiber lined steel synchro rings, where the Tremec transmissions
have a single rail that selects and moves three shift rods internally.
Borg Warner and Tremec
About 1998, Tremec bought the T5 product line from Borg Warner and have
produced the T5 used ever since. Note that the transmission is the same
although the case stamp will say Tremec or Borg Warner depending on who
manufactured it.
http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/t5_history.htm
TTC has manufacturing facilities located in Queretaro, Mexico and
Knoxville, Tennessee in the United States. Our Mexican manufacturing
plants, which include light-, medium- and heavy-duty operations, are
dedicated to the production of transmission parts and assemblies. Our
U.S.-based manufacturing operations focus on the production of components
such as shift assemblies and clutch-release components. The Knoxville
facility also performs all packaging and distribution of service
products, as well as in-line sequencing of the transmissions for
efficient just-in-time shipments. Engineering support for manufacturing
operations exists within every facility, while sales and marketing
support comes from our U.S.-based office in Farmington Hills, Michigan.
Kieron
>
>"Greg" <greg.REMO...@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
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>
>> Surely with a larger engine than Holden, Ford could have gone higher than
>> 190, but they didn't. I'm genuinely surprised.
>
>I'm not.
>
>The more power it makes the thirstier it'll be, and the Barra engine has
>already been criticised as a drunkard. The improvements mentioned are
>already in the Territory right now apparently, and while the fuel economy
>improvement is a benefit, it's far from "substancial" (5% according to the
>Herald-Sun, which wouldn't be noticale to most).
My BA runs rings around the EA I had in both economy and power. I
don't know how you can catagoricaly say the Barra engine has been
criticised neither, if anything its the BA CAR. Fact is, it produces
25kw's more than the donk it replaced, is hauling a fair bit more
weight and uses a little more fuel than the AU.
You also seem to have contradictied yourself here (no surprise) with
your opening statement and the last bit about Terri economy, which of
course now has 8kw's more :)
Noddy
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> My BA runs rings around the EA I had in both economy and power. I
> don't know how you can catagoricaly say the Barra engine has been
> criticised neither, if anything its the BA CAR. Fact is, it produces
> 25kw's more than the donk it replaced, is hauling a fair bit more
> weight and uses a little more fuel than the AU.
Be that as it may, it's fuel economy has been criticised by some, and to the
point of Ford saying not long after it was released that something would be
done about it.
> You also seem to have contradictied yourself here (no surprise) with
> your opening statement and the last bit about Terri economy, which of
> course now has 8kw's more :)
Is that right?
Fucked if I can see where, but I don't speak your language.
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Noddy.
Cartman
felt slo w and rough. The boss' "S pack" didnt feel much better (190 kW).
Cartman
bad ones, but they felt sluggish and rough.
The old 3800 seemed like a nicer drive to me.
Cartman
It would go someway to fixing the problem, more cogs = more to play with.
crazy ron bakir
>Not just space saving, a lot of clever engineering has to take place to make
>up for a second disadvantage of the inline 6 - ie its length means that it
>crosses one crumple zone. In the event of a severe accident, that means a
>lot of frontal impact energy will bypass one zone. Falcon has something to
>counter that, but I can't remember what it was... I think the engine drops
>to the ground if I remember right???
>
it's pretty common to make the engine duck under the firewall a bit,
so that it doesn't come straight back and squash the front seat
occupants.
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>
>
> There was nothing rough about the one I was in a little while ago.
No more road testing just after you take your morning meds.
AS you are typing a response, remember that's not the ding of the
typewriter reaching the end of the line, it's the tram driver signalling
he's about to try an extraction manouever.
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"John McKenzie" <jm...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> AS you are typing a response, remember that's not the ding of the
> typewriter reaching the end of the line, it's the tram driver signalling
> he's about to try an extraction manouever.
I've been wondering what that noise was. It's been driving me nucking futs!
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>> You also seem to have contradictied yourself here (no surprise) with
>> your opening statement and the last bit about Terri economy, which of
>> course now has 8kw's more :)
>
>Is that right?
>
>Fucked if I can see where, but I don't speak your language.
N> The more power it makes the thirstier it'll be
Then -
N> while the fuel economy improvement is a benefit
Like I said, the terri donk makes 8kw's more
Plain as dogs bollocks
Noddy
> Like I said, the terri donk makes 8kw's more
Apparently.
> Plain as dogs bollocks
The fuel economy improvements are supposed to be in the order of 5% or so
aren't they?
Your average punter would probably see a 5% difference on a weekly basis as
it is, so it's pretty easy for Ford (or anyone else for that matter) to
claim such an improvement without it actually being physically there.
Same with the power upgrade :)
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>
> Your average punter would probably see a 5% difference on a weekly basis as
> it is, so it's pretty easy for Ford (or anyone else for that matter) to
> claim such an improvement without it actually being physically there.
>
> Same with the power upgrade :)
For the sake of interest or argument if you please.
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RTQuicktests/87E87D6334D9E6CDCA25709D0011CA67?opendocument
Bugger it I was going to cut and paste the article but why bother just
click the link instead. :-)
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"Class leading fuel economy still not strong" leads me to believe fuel
economy has noticably improved as the BA was behind Commodore and
Magna.
Its just further proof that Noddys statement about more power = less
economy was 100% incorrect :)
Noddy
> "Class leading fuel economy still not strong" leads me to believe fuel
> economy has noticably improved as the BA was behind Commodore and
> Magna.
>
> Its just further proof that Noddys statement about more power = less
> economy was 100% incorrect :)
Jeez, how did I know you were gonna say that?
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increase. You would probably get a larger increase running the Barra 182
on PULP.
Noddy
> Because they can not help themselves. I really dont think 8 kW is a huge
> increase. You would probably get a larger increase running the Barra 182
> on PULP.
Maybe, but you'd have to be lucky.
I think Ford's making a song & dance about very little gains (well, perhaps
not Ford but the media at least) that are on the edge of the error margins
of most testing equipment.
In other words, it's much ado about nuttin' :)
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Dan---
>>
> But of course there would be a big song and dance about it here - there
> are only two cars in the world aren't there?
Not really just anti 4x4 propaganda. :-p
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