XW/XY steering column
hippo
Does anyone have a spare XW/XY steering column going for a reasonable
price? He's not fussed if it's off manual or auto & would be quite happy
with a bare column.
Needed for a project Falcon. Somewhere near the Shoalhaven or Illawarra /
South Coast NSW would be good. Cheers
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I have a couple of EA on steering columns
hippo
re-registering it in NSW. Decided to try for XW/XY because still dash
ignition & no extra bits or dash mods required. (I'm just the messenger!)
Thanks though Geeorge.
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Kev
Did the XW/XY even have a collapsible column? I thought they came out in
the XA
Kev
hippo
Apparently concertinas at the base - but what would I know? I'm a pom :)
Mond you, we did have the odd XY wagon around over there.
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> Did the XW/XY even have a collapsible column? I thought they came out in
> the XA
Yeah, the XW/XY column had a collapsible bottom section.
The rules must have changed in NSW in the last ten years or so as when I
bought my XP from Arncliffe it was V8 registered with an Engineers report
and it still had the factory steering and lap only seat belts.
If the bloke needs to fit a collapsible column then he'll have a headache
about what to do with the rest of the steering as the standard XP steering
box ran a fixed box and column assembly. His options are limited to either
cutting the standard XP column down and mating it to the XW/XY column with
an LH Torana universal, fitting a later model XF Steering box (which will
line up with 2 of the 3 existing chassis holes and isn't recommended as it
makes for pretty lousy steering) or converting it to rack & pinion. Rack
conversions can be simple (but uber expensive) using incredibly over-priced
equipment from RRS which is a bolt in deal, or he can use an early Cortina
rack and fabricate his own bracketry.
Whatever he decides, he should stay the *hell* away from the rack conversion
stuff sold by CRS. It's *woefully* bad, and will cause all kinds of sump and
exhaust clearance issues.
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hippo
Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*.
Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's going
to work something out that conforms, works and looks good.
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I think the ZC and the XW have the same steering box
Noddy
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> Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*.
Hmmm... That's *not* a good idea.
Later model steering boxes *aren't* a great fit on early Falcons, even
though they look like they go close. If you use a steering box from anything
later than an XP model, only two of the three mounting holes in the chassis
rail will line up with the later box (necessitating a drilling with a crush
tube needing to be inserted if you wish to do it properly), and even then
the Pitman arm ends up at the wrong angle for the steering linkage. To make
it work, you need to notch the bottom of the spring tower for adequate
clearance *and* have an XP Pitman arm bored and splined so it'll fit onto
the later model steering box shaft and provide the correct angle for the
steering gear.
That's a lot of work, and at the end of the day you still have a rattly old
fluid dripping ZC steering box :)
> Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's going
> to work something out that conforms, works and looks good.
His cheapest and easiest option (if he can live with the 5.5 turns lock to
lock of the standard steering box that is) is to have the standard XP column
shaft shortened to mate with the XW/Y column via a universal. It's not a
difficult option and any machine shop can do it for 50 bucks.
From memory, if he uses an EF Falcon steering universal he can have it bored
to the 3/4" size of the standard XP column shaft and use an LH Torana cotter
pin in place of the EF clamp bolt which will successfully mate the universal
to the shaft with nothing other than a small flat machined in the shaft
itself for the cotter pin to grab onto. He can do the same thing on the XW/Y
column to mate it to the universal as well, and he's in business. He'll need
to pay attention to the column alignment when he fits the thing as the EF
uni doesn't like lots of angle, but apart from that it's pretty straight
forward.
No chassis mods, no steering gear woes and adequate exhaust clearance if he
runs standard early model factory manifolds and remembers to machine the
carb heat pipe boss off the one on the driver's side.
If it were me and I was fitting a V8 to an early Falcon (which I am :) I'd
be giving serious thought to a decent rack & pinion conversion as early
Fords had *horrible* steering, and the additional mumbo of a couple of extra
cylinders only makes matters worse. They need all the help they can get in
this area and doing away with the steering box is a definite plus.
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hippo
Prolly, so now he just needs a column. Jonz is probably the closest, but
I'm guessing there isn't one on his fleet, so anybody else....?
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Jason James
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A guy in town here is getting around in an XP 2 door hardtop. It looks nice
at a distance with its 2 tone paint: deep lustre metallic gun metal grey
over metallic silver,..but as you get closer the rippley appearance of the
side panels becomes apparent. Too much bogging :-)
Jason
jonz
> George W Frost wrote:
>>
>>
>> "hippo"<am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1@REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:ho4r6k$e5t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kev"<kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ba59821$0$1783$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>> Did the XW/XY even have a collapsible column? I thought they came out
>>>>> in
>>>>> the XA
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the XW/XY column had a collapsible bottom section.
>>>>
>>>> The rules must have changed in NSW in the last ten years or so as when I
>>>> bought my XP from Arncliffe it was V8 registered with an Engineers report
>>>> and it still had the factory steering and lap only seat belts.
>>>>
>>>> If the bloke needs to fit a collapsible column then he'll have a headache
>>>> about what to do with the rest of the steering as the standard XP
>>>> steering
>>>> box ran a fixed box and column assembly. His options are limited to
>>>> either
>>>> cutting the standard XP column down and mating it to the XW/XY column
>>>> with
>>>> an LH Torana universal, fitting a later model XF Steering box (which will
>>>> line up with 2 of the 3 existing chassis holes and isn't recommended as
>>>> it
>>>> conversions can be simple (but uber expensive) using incredibly
>>>> over-priced
>>>> equipment from RRS which is a bolt in deal, or he can use an early
>>>> Cortina
>>>> rack and fabricate his own bracketry.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever he decides, he should stay the *hell* away from the rack
>>>> conversion
>>>> stuff sold by CRS. It's *woefully* bad, and will cause all kinds of sump
>>>> and
>>>> exhaust clearance issues.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Noddy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*.
>>> Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's going
>>> to work something out that conforms, works and looks good.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think the ZC and the XW have the same steering box
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Prolly, so now he just needs a column. Jonz is probably the closest, but
> I'm guessing there isn't one on his fleet, so anybody else....?
no, i don`t have one....but one of my mates is into fords of that
era, i`ll check him out.......cheers.
>
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Spafford,1992
hippo
Ta.... sitting in Nowra lookig at a windless day and a big fat stormcloud
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jonz
much the same here (Moruya), and bloody muggy with it....Steve
thinks he has an xw column "somewhere in the shed" i`ll keep you posted,
Noddy
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> A guy in town here is getting around in an XP 2 door hardtop. It looks
> nice at a distance with its 2 tone paint: deep lustre metallic gun metal
> grey over metallic silver,..but as you get closer the rippley appearance
> of the side panels becomes apparent. Too much bogging :-)
It's hard to find a tidy original coupe, and when you do they attract a lot
of attention and bring fairly big money.
Mine's an XP Futura coupe which are getting pretty thin on the ground these
days, and even though the body was straight and relatively rust free when I
bought it it'd been accident damaged on both sides at some stage of it's
life with pretty shitful repairs being affected which leaves me little
choice but to replace both quarter panels if I want it to be *really*
straight.
I've had the thing 7 years now and it's *still* a bare body shell sitting on
it's side on the rotisserie :)
I was going to cut it up and give it mini tubs and the usual "hot rod"
treatment turning it into a week-end "warrior" but the wife cracked the sads
at the idea of me doing that to such a rare car. So now it's basically going
to be "restored" back to an original Futura Coupe, with the exception of a
289 for audio effect, and it'll be the wife's week-end cruiser (she wanted a
VW Karman Ghia but I told her she could have one only if she signed the
divorce papers).
I'll be building myself a proper Hot Rod, or a GT Falcon, or a Mustang.
So many cars still left to own, so few years left :)
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>
> "Jason James" <a...@ass.com> wrote in message
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>
>> A guy in town here is getting around in an XP 2 door hardtop. It looks
>> nice at a distance with its 2 tone paint: deep lustre metallic gun metal
>> grey over metallic silver,..but as you get closer the rippley appearance
>> of the side panels becomes apparent. Too much bogging :-)
>
> It's hard to find a tidy original coupe, and when you do they attract a
> lot of attention and bring fairly big money.
To think back in '78 I turned up 2 cars which I now badly regret,..one was a
Val VF 2 door hardtop with the slant 6 (last model before the Hemi). The guy
would nearly have paid me to take it away at the time. Then a year later, a
VH Pacer in that bright orange paint with black cut-outs and I think a black
bonnet with safety pins. Could have had it for $450. These were quite rare
cars, it ran a 245 with a floor-change. The body was a std 4 door. The
decals said something like "Hemi Pacer" Not a performance buffs pick I grant
you, the 245 was no where near as responsive as the 265..but unique all the
same. Another rare Val, was the tank-body 2 door. Haven't seen one of those
for eons.
One guy was running a 245 Centaura with a 265 and triple SUs, plus a
floor-change. It used to haul arse pretty well.
> Mine's an XP Futura coupe which are getting pretty thin on the ground
> these days, and even though the body was straight and relatively rust free
> when I bought it it'd been accident damaged on both sides at some stage of
> it's life with pretty shitful repairs being affected which leaves me
> little choice but to replace both quarter panels if I want it to be
> *really* straight.
I guess its psychological in that we can accept less than perfect if we work
at it :-) I had a VF 770 with the 318 in original metallic gold with vinyl
roof,..plus 8" chrome plain steelies with Polyglass rubber. It looked great
at a distance, but close up the paint had cracks in the clear-coat and on
the boot-lid it had actually started to peel,..no money to fix it,..so I got
used to it :-)
> I've had the thing 7 years now and it's *still* a bare body shell sitting
> on it's side on the rotisserie :)
I find that once the mild morning weather is over, I cant hack working in
the arvos,...age I guess.
> I was going to cut it up and give it mini tubs and the usual "hot rod"
> treatment turning it into a week-end "warrior" but the wife cracked the
> sads at the idea of me doing that to such a rare car. So now it's
> basically going to be "restored" back to an original Futura Coupe, with
> the exception of a 289 for audio effect, and it'll be the wife's week-end
> cruiser
Good for her,..and 3 cheers for her attitude to cars,..most women care very
little,..especially for older cars. My missus had the shits one day, and
made a comment: "and that old bomb Valiant we have to get around in" It was
the brown VH,..ouch!!
(she wanted a
> VW Karman Ghia but I told her she could have one only if she signed the
> divorce papers).
Yeah,..then again a lot of females liked VWs,..especially the roofless-bug
conversions.
> I'll be building myself a proper Hot Rod, or a GT Falcon, or a Mustang.
>
> So many cars still left to own, so few years left :)
Two very different cars. The Mach 1 Stang is one big rig. The earlier Stangs
are much nicer IMHO,..even a non-f/back model. The 351 HO copier sound s
nice. I f its a daily driver, I guess the Cleveland wouldn't be on the
drawing board :-)
Jason
Brad
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I've got a 38 chev Ute in the shed I will have a crack at one day. A mate
has a nice xp hardtop with a 221 with the 2V head and celica 5 speed. Same
guy has a RHD Yank 2 door falcon from the xw era, it'll look good when done.
My father has an XM coupe that he has just restored to showroom, and the
receipt from when he bought it new.
When I was young he put in a 250 crossflow and a toploader, it used to go
well. Now it's back to standard and better than new. The xy gt seats he had
in it went into his 37 chev roadster.
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>
>
D Walford
> I'll be building myself a proper Hot Rod, or a GT Falcon, or a Mustang.
>
> So many cars still left to own, so few years left :)
Too true, I've been thinking lately that I need a project to work on to
get me away from this computer:-)
I'd like a GT40 replica or an E type Jag but both cost big dollars so an
early Celica with a Lexus V8 is one possibility.
Daryl
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> Too true, I've been thinking lately that I need a project to work on to
> get me away from this computer:-)
> I'd like a GT40 replica or an E type Jag but both cost big dollars so an
> early Celica with a Lexus V8 is one possibility.
GT40 replica would be fantastic, but they're just such an impractical car to
do anything with.
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atec 77
25k will make you the envy of all those blokes with other penis
substitutes :)
D Walford
I know a thing or 2 about Lotus 7 replicas and I have thought about
building one but IMO they have the same issue as the GT40 replica in
that they are too impractical, at least the GT40 can be driven in the
rain:-)
I have my own key to the mates 7 with permission to use the car whenever
I like but I rarely do.
Its getting more difficult everyday to build an ICV and they are
applying different rules in each State, complying with various emission
rules is becoming expensive as you have to use an engine from a near new
car so in Vic you would struggle to build one for $25k.
Daryl
Scotty
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Go for the Celica with the 1UZE. Now if you could keep it stock outside that would be one awesome
sleeper.
Noddy
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> Build a kit car
> 25k will make you the envy of all those blokes with other penis
> substitutes :)
$25k would build you a decent Eureka, but I wouldn't think too many people
would be envious of a fuck ugly fibreglass tub with a dak-dak engine in it
:)
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atec 77
built for under 30k , they take anything from a modest turbo 4 to a v8
dependant on the donor car , you know smashed auctions cars are cheaper ?
atec 77
requirements
D Walford
the outside:-)
Daryl
D Walford
Is that the new Cobra?
Bloke who runs a motel in Benalla has one of those, the donor was a BA
XR8, awesome looking toy but looking at it I'd be surprised of it was
that cheap.
Daryl
Noddy
> Is that the new Cobra?
> Bloke who runs a motel in Benalla has one of those, the donor was a BA
> XR8, awesome looking toy but looking at it I'd be surprised of it was that
> cheap.
Me too.
Not unless you stole most of the parts anyway.
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hippo
Thanks. I've passed this all on. He'd been told most of it, but without
some of the more specific details. There's an XW column on the way, so now
he's got the choice of oging wiht the XP box or the ZC one. His call!
BTW, next time I see it, I'll try and get a photo of the XP coupe near
Pyree. Very stock, very nice & often on the road. Cheers
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> BTW, next time I see it, I'll try and get a photo of the XP coupe near
> Pyree. Very stock, very nice & often on the road. Cheers
Nice. I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks.
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Oi !
a good friend of mine used to build the fibreglass bodies for them
Noddy
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> Oi !
>
> a good friend of mine used to build the fibreglass bodies for them
Oh. My sympathies :)
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OK, a good result.......came up m/t down here.......
D Walford
I think he said the low klms XR8 wreck cost over $10,000 so the kit
would need to be cheap to finish the build under $30,000.
I remember him telling me that his was the first of the type to be
registered in Australia, it had been registered on the day I saw it so
the owner was a very happy man.
Daryl
Noddy
> I think he said the low klms XR8 wreck cost over $10,000 so the kit would
> need to be cheap to finish the build under $30,000.
> I remember him telling me that his was the first of the type to be
> registered in Australia, it had been registered on the day I saw it so the
> owner was a very happy man.
I'm sure he was.
The cost of any such project would be totally dependent on how much of the
work you were willing or able to do yourself. I know a bloke who's building
himself a Cobra replica (one of the 1960's AC 427 things) and he's not at
all handy with tools or has the space to do much himself even if he was
capable. The car is almost finished, and is only powered by an injected
Windsor but it owes him close to 80 grand.
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> Err. Nope. The NSW rule book hasn't changed in those areas since 1994.
>
> I know that some engineers have broken the rules and certified lap only
> in Falcon hardtops because they thought that the roof frame and the rear
> quarter panels were too weak to mount the seatbelts into.
They pretty much are.
There is nowhere on an XM/P coupe to mount lap/sash belts on the roof, and
although some have mounted them on the inner rear quarter it requires
fabricating a mounting point and that's often difficult to do without it
interferrring with the rear window operation.
It also looks completely shithouse, and makes rear seat access a tripping
trap.
> The requirement is minimum lap/sash outboard and lap inboard, with
> retractors being
> optional before about 1974.
How far back does that go? My understanding is that seatbelts weren't
compulsory for cars built before 1971.
> The collapsible column requirement applies for engine capacities more than
> 45% larger than the largest original option. That means that if the car
> came out with a 250, even a 351 doesn't need a collapsible column, but if
> the largest engine was a 200, anything over 290ci needs a collapsible
> column. That would make a 289 (or 283 chev) a good option.
If you wanted to get *really* technical, you could draw the authority's
attention to the fact that 289 powered early Falcons were offered new to the
public with official Ford backing in Australia in 1966, and the exact same
car was available in the US with either a 260 or 289 new.
As far as my car goes, it was issued with an Engineer's certificate on the
5th of August 1993 by Lohning Brothers Pty Ltd for the fiting of a 302
Windsor and C4 auto, with a brake upgrade of 10 drums on the rear (it had a
9 inch fitted) and 11 inch Ford rotors with HQ Holden calipers (it ran CRS 2
inch dropped stub axles). The rest of the car was pretty much standard,
including the "accessory" front lap belts (it had no rear ones) and the non
collapsable standard steering column.
> Strangely, the capacity limit requirement for collapsible column is not
> affected by supercharging, so a BA turbo 6 wouldn't require a collapsible
> column...
And yet, such an engine would make a standard 2bbl 289 look like the car was
powered by something you pulled out of a Morris Minor :)
> I think that some engineers have also fudged the largest original engine
> size in the past, too, by using the largest engine in the US-market model
> equivalent to the Australian Falcon, even when they were noticably
> different vehicles.
The only difference between the XM & XP 6 cylinder coupe and the '63
American V8 Falcon Sprint coupe is the front and rear sheet metal. The body
tub was identical apart from the steering.
> Out of curiosity, what about it is a problem? Does it alter the position
> of the pitman arm and hence the linkages, or are you just saying that the
> combination of XF box and original linkages sucks?
A bit of both.
The angle of the original XM/P box is different, so in order to pick up the
two main chassis holes and mount the XF box the pitman arm ends up at the
wrong angle to correctly align with the steering linkage. The Pitman arm
also has the wrong sized end to mate to the original Falcon linkage which
means either some form of adapter or reaming and re-splining an original
early Falcon arm to fit on the later box. The later box is also physically
larger than the early box and it'll fowl on the bottom of the spring tower
requiring a notch for clearance.
Of course, there's the *other* problem being that the XF box is a shithouse
steering box to begin with, and it's a hell of a lot of effort to make it
work which will see you end up with steering that's no better than a 25 year
old Falcon at best :)
> Obviously, you'd have to make a bracket to pick up the 3rd hole in the
> box, since the original box relies on the column for stability and the
> extra bolt hole is to replace that.
The original early Falcon box (which uses an integral column) has three
chassis rail mounting holes just like all the later Ford steering boxes. The
difference being that from XR Falcon onwards they went to a wider bolt
spacing which only matches up with two of the three original early holes,
and they changed the position of the holes themselves on the later steering
box which would see a later box tilted too far back if it was mounted to an
early car using the two original holes as reference.
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atec 77
save big time
atec 77
you have no friends
D Walford
I've got some photos somewhere of the finished car and it looked
awesome, if I can find them (computer shat itself over the weekend and I
only got it sorted last night) I'll post them somewhere.
The owner was a mechanic who had worked for Ford and Ford dealers so he
knew his Ford gear very well and his workmanship was exceptional.
Daryl
George W Frost
Now, don't talk like that, not after what you told me in a private email,
you told me that you were my bestest buddy and pal but not to tell anyone
OOps, I think I just did
sorry
are you still my friend ??
Noddy
> Now, don't talk like that, not after what you told me in a private email,
> you told me that you were my bestest buddy and pal but not to tell anyone
> OOps, I think I just did
>
> sorry
> are you still my friend ??
Baz will be friends with anyone who can understand what the *fuck* it is
he's on about :)
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: "George W Frost" <george...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What, didnt I send you your decoder Ring Noddy?
Its in the mail.
Noddy
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> What, didnt I send you your decoder Ring Noddy?
>
> Its in the mail.
Much obliged :)
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atec 77
Jason James
>
>> Yeah, the XW/XY column had a collapsible bottom section.
>
>> The rules must have changed in NSW in the last ten years or so as when I
>> bought my XP from Arncliffe it was V8 registered with an Engineers report
>> and it still had the factory steering and lap only seat belts.
>
>
> I know that some engineers have broken the rules and certified lap only
> in Falcon hardtops because they thought that the roof frame and the rear
> is minimum lap/sash outboard and lap inboard, with retractors being
> optional before about 1974.
>
> 45% larger than the largest original option. That means that if the car
> came out with a 250, even a 351 doesn't need a collapsible column, but if
> the largest engine was a 200, anything over 290ci needs a collapsible
> column. That would make a 289 (or 283 chev) a good option.
>
> affected by supercharging, so a BA turbo 6 wouldn't require a collapsible
> column...
>
> size in the past, too, by using the largest engine in the US-market model
> equivalent to the Australian Falcon, even when they were noticably
> different vehicles.
>
>> line up with 2 of the 3 existing chassis holes and isn't recommended as
>> it
>> makes for pretty lousy steering)
>
> of the pitman arm and hence the linkages, or are you just saying that the
> combination of XF box and original linkages sucks?
>
> box, since the original box relies on the column for stability and the
> extra bolt hole is to replace that.
In the '70s, you could get away with a red motor in a grey-motor Holden
here. So one annual rego inspection guy told me. At about the same time, it
was supposed to be the case, that you could get a V8 conversion done in Vic
for HD/HR Holdens, then get it passed by Vic authorities. It then could be
brought back to NSW no worries. Probably BS ?
Jason
Noddy
> The requirement is that any vehicle where the engineering certificate
> describes the engine as "Modified" must have the upgraded safety equipment
> prescribed, which includes seatbelts for all seating positions, as above.
>
> That has been the case since 1994.
Thought as much.
> 1993. Explains it all. A few months later and it wouldn't have passed in
> that configuration.
Which presumably means it won't pass here now like it, even though it's been
registered interstate like that before as it hasn't been registered for
around 7 years now.
> I vaguely remember something along those lines. Given that the RTA won't
> even consider HK/T/G or HQ/J/X/Z as one "model" for the purpose of
> determining the maximum engine capacity permitted, there's a fair chance
> that the minor sheetmetal differences would be enough excuse to reject any
> claim that they are the same basic vehicle. Worth a try, though. :-)
Idiots :)
The only version of that body that was different as far as I'm aware was the
American convertible, as it had a large X frame under the floor to make up
for the fact that it had no turret holding it all together. Cutting the lid
off a standard coupe without doing something similar will see it resembling
a "hammock" before too long :)
> Well, that's fair. The Bendix Bishop variable ratio power steering box
> was a great leap forward in 1971 when it was first put into HQs, but by XF
> Falcon, it was getting a little old...
It was. They're also next to impossible to keep an effective oil seal in
place in the case of power assisted versions.
> I've been doing to much with old Holdens. I was assuming that the early
> box was only 2 bolts as per Holden to HR, and that when they added the
> flexible joint, they also added the 3rd bolt.
Unfortunately not.
> Sounds like a box from something completely different would probably be a
> better option if the sector shaft spline matched the early pitman arm.
Once I get the house and new shed sorted I'm going to get back into the XP
and get it finished before Ford Australia starts hounding me to sell the
thing for their museum :)
I *was* going to fit an early L-300 front end into the thing, but I've
canned that idea now that the car will be going to the wife and I'll only be
putting a small engine in it. One of the steering options I looked at
briefly before putting the thing aside was a power steering rack out of a
Hyundai Getz. A quick measurement suggested that it'd be about the right
width to work in conjunction with the standard front end and hopefully not
induce any bump steer, and it shouldn't be too difficult to make up some
bracketry to support it. The Getz column also uses a couple of neat
universals that would probably adapt well to something like an XY Column,
and the pump and lines are fairly compact.
I'll see how it works out at some future point anyway.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
"Jason James" <a...@ass.com> wrote in message
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> In the '70s, you could get away with a red motor in a grey-motor Holden
> here. So one annual rego inspection guy told me. At about the same time,
> it was supposed to be the case, that you could get a V8 conversion done in
> Vic for HD/HR Holdens, then get it passed by Vic authorities. It then
> could be brought back to NSW no worries. Probably BS ?
It may have been true, but there's been so much bullshit bandied about with
modified cars over the years that it's hard to know for sure. I just wish
they'd get their shit together and adopt a sensible *national* approach to
modified vehicles.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
D Walford
Its certainly all over the place.
My son's AE86 is registered and insured in Vic fitted with a 4AGZE which
has roughly double the power of the original 4AC, I always thought it
needed an engineers certificate but neither the roadworthy tester or Vic
Roads asked for one, they both passed the car without question.
Daryl
Noddy
> I'm working on a proposal in that direction. It should be an industry
> run scheme (Engineers Australia managing a register of approved persons,
> with membership of IEAust, SAE-A or IAME plus appropriate experience
> being the requirement), complete with peer review dispute resolution (ie
> other engineers not personally acquainted with partes to a dispute would
> carry out review) rather than state bureaucrats who often don't
> understand the complexities involved.
>
> Such a scheme would be designed to be operated in parallel with existing
> state based schemes, but to be accepted in every state and territory, so
> that it could be phased in alongside the existing ones and, once the
> existing scheme members have transferred, the existing ones would be
> closed down.
We can only hope that your dream becomes a reality.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Scotty
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Somedays all it takes is reading some of the drivel on this NG and Im out like a light!
Scotty
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:
: "Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
:
At least locating a cheap Excel to extract parts will be a cheap affair. ;o)
Scotty
Are they the same capasity engines? .... hmm both 1600's are they not?
I know that in NZ (I know I know, its not applicable here but its similar) they used to run with the
25% Capasity ruling (Mainly if the car mod was done prior to 1991). Unless your new engine was
greater than 25% increase in size you could fit any motor you wanted in it.
I had a car which was sold as a 1300cc (Technically it was, but the true capasity was 1256cc) and
because I fit a 2TG which was only 1588 it was under the 25% rule okay. Unless I got snapped for
going over the limit from 1256cc to 1588cc I was okay with it.
Since around 1995-7ish the rules changed to the same as here. All smog gear needs to be brought up
to the newer of the car or engine. It stopped a lot of 1974 Capri V6s making it into later Escorts
etc after then.
Going back to the 1UZE into the 76 Celica, what mods needed to be done to get that compliant?
Scotty
: Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
:
: > It may have been true, but there's been so much bullshit bandied about with
: > modified cars over the years that it's hard to know for sure. I just wish
: > they'd get their shit together and adopt a sensible *national* approach to
: > modified vehicles.
: I'm working on a proposal in that direction. It should be an industry
: run scheme (Engineers Australia managing a register of approved persons,
: with membership of IEAust, SAE-A or IAME plus appropriate experience
: being the requirement), complete with peer review dispute resolution (ie
: other engineers not personally acquainted with partes to a dispute would
: carry out review) rather than state bureaucrats who often don't
: understand the complexities involved.
:
: Such a scheme would be designed to be operated in parallel with existing
: state based schemes, but to be accepted in every state and territory, so
: that it could be phased in alongside the existing ones and, once the
: existing scheme members have transferred, the existing ones would be
: closed down.
: --
: Athol
: <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
: I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.
It will never work nor be impletented. It is far too logical and practical, way beyond Govt
boundrys.
D Walford
> "D Walford"<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4ba992ca$0$27834$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> : On 24/03/2010 1:20 PM, Noddy wrote:
> :> "Jason James"<a...@ass.com> wrote in message
> :> news:4ba9649d$0$39396$c30e...@pit-reader.telstra.net...
> :>
> :>> In the '70s, you could get away with a red motor in a grey-motor Holden
> :>> here. So one annual rego inspection guy told me. At about the same time,
> :>> it was supposed to be the case, that you could get a V8 conversion done in
> :>> Vic for HD/HR Holdens, then get it passed by Vic authorities. It then
> :>> could be brought back to NSW no worries. Probably BS ?
> :>
> :> It may have been true, but there's been so much bullshit bandied about with
> :> modified cars over the years that it's hard to know for sure. I just wish
> :> they'd get their shit together and adopt a sensible *national* approach to
> :> modified vehicles.
> :
> : Its certainly all over the place.
> : My son's AE86 is registered and insured in Vic fitted with a 4AGZE which
> : has roughly double the power of the original 4AC, I always thought it
> : needed an engineers certificate but neither the roadworthy tester or Vic
> : Roads asked for one, they both passed the car without question.
> :
> :
> : Daryl
> :
>
> Are they the same capasity engines? .... hmm both 1600's are they not?
Yep, same engine family (4A) so the 4AGZE bolts in without mods.
>
>
> I know that in NZ (I know I know, its not applicable here but its similar) they used to run with the
> 25% Capasity ruling (Mainly if the car mod was done prior to 1991). Unless your new engine was
> greater than 25% increase in size you could fit any motor you wanted in it.
>
I don't know what the rules are here but because its close enough to
double the power I'm surprised that they didn't question it especially
when it says something like "Toyota 16v Supercharged" in plain view on
the rocker covers:-)
I drove it last Sunday and for a small engine it has an amazing amount
of grunt.
> Going back to the 1UZE into the 76 Celica, what mods needed to be done to get that compliant?
I was thinking more of a RA60 (1983) Celica, I've seen a couple of those
fitted with V8's, one had a 302 Windsor and the other had the Lexus.
AFAIK the one with the 1UZE hadn't been though engineering, the car was
already registered so the owner did the swap and didn't bother telling
Vic Roads.
My guess is it wouldn't take a lot of mods to make it comply, maybe a
brake upgrade adding discs to the rear and upgrading the fronts and
maybe heavier front springs and better shocks.
The standard w series gearbox and t series rear axle would handle the
extra power ok.
Daryl
atec 77
certainly cuts the noise
Scotty
"atec 77" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hocm8l$ugt$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I dont use a browser to access this NG.
atec 77
mind reading abilities ?
Scotty
"atec 77" <"atec 77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hoct6q$8en$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
: Scotty wrote:
: >
: > I dont use a browser to access this NG.
: >
: >
: What are you using then ?
: mind reading abilities ?
Outlook Express.
Scotty
: Scotty <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote:
: > "Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
: > : Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
:
: > : > It may have been true, but there's been so much bullshit bandied about with
: > : > modified cars over the years that it's hard to know for sure. I just wish
: > : > they'd get their shit together and adopt a sensible *national* approach to
: > : > modified vehicles.
:
: > : I'm working on a proposal in that direction. It should be an industry
: > : run scheme (Engineers Australia managing a register of approved persons,
: > : with membership of IEAust, SAE-A or IAME plus appropriate experience
: > : being the requirement), complete with peer review dispute resolution (ie
: > : other engineers not personally acquainted with partes to a dispute would
: > : carry out review) rather than state bureaucrats who often don't
: > : understand the complexities involved.
:
: > : Such a scheme would be designed to be operated in parallel with existing
: > : state based schemes, but to be accepted in every state and territory, so
: > : that it could be phased in alongside the existing ones and, once the
: > : existing scheme members have transferred, the existing ones would be
: > : closed down.
:
: > way beyond Govt boundrys.
:
: That's not going to stop me trying. :-)
:
: --
: Athol
: <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
: I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.
I sincerely hope you succeed with it.
the world has a lot of room for logical, practical ideas. Bureaucracy seems to think its all fucked
up but.
Jason James
> Jason James <a...@ass.com> wrote:
>
>> In the '70s, you could get away with a red motor in a grey-motor Holden
>> here.
>
> EH came out, that some dealers resorted to upgrading their runout EJs
> to 149 to get rid of them... The 149 radiator was the same size as the
> grey motor one, whereas the 179 used a wider radiator and the support
> panel had to be cut and modified to suit...
>
>> So one annual rego inspection guy told me.
>
> vehicle goes out of rego, it goes back to needing a current style
> engineering certificate.
>
>> At about the same time, it
>> was supposed to be the case, that you could get a V8 conversion done in
>> Vic
>> for HD/HR Holdens, then get it passed by Vic authorities. It then could
>> be
>> brought back to NSW no worries. Probably BS ?
>
> one here and there, but it wouldn't have been officially allowed.
Yeah,..lunchtime dreaming amongst the trainees. :-)
Jason
atec7 7
a really shitty one but none the less
Noddy
"atec7 7" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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> so you do use a browser
> a really shitty one but none the less
Lol :)
From a bloke who posts in here using a program that makes wading through
miles of crap to actually read the odd line he adds about as difficult as
rolling a cigarette with your testicles. The irony is so think you couldn't
ram a Tiger tank through it :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Dan---
>
> From a bloke who posts in here using a program that makes wading through
> miles of crap to actually read the odd line he adds about as difficult as
> rolling a cigarette with your testicles. The irony is so think you
> couldn't ram a Tiger tank through it :)
>
"rolling a cigarette with your testicles. ".
I have to write that one down didn't there use to be an aus.cars website
with all the funny quotes in it?.
---
Regards
Dan.
Atheist Chaplain
news:hogsk8$o9v$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
someone using thunderturd calling OE shit.
Someone call the fire brigade, a great big flaming ball of irony has just
landed in my front yard!!
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Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
Fraser Johnston
"atec7 7" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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Nope. He uses a NEWSREADER.
Fraser