COMMODORE STUD PATTERN
CAMERON SEEBER
I have a 4 cyl VC commodore and I have been offered some really cheap
pursuit rims.
The problem is the 4cyl's come with the older holden stud pattern so the
rims wont fit
What would I have to do to put these rims on?
I have had three different versions from three supposed experts and none
of them has told me anything similar
- I have been told I can just change the disc rotors and axles and drums
- I have been told I have to change the diff and front calipers and disc
rotors
- I have been tole I have to change the diff and struts
Can somebody (who definatly knows) please help me
thanks in advance
Cameron
Jason Carter
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From: CAMERON D SEEBER[SMTP:n144...@student.fit.qut.edu.au]
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I have a 4 cyl commodore and was looking at getting some pursuit rims
for it
My problem is that the stud pattern is the early model holden stud
pattern
I was wondering what I would have to do to put the pursuit rims on.
I have been told I only have to change the disc rotors and axles and
someone else told me I have to change the diff and struts.
Could any one help me with this problem
thanks in advance
Cameron
Ashley Wright
what size rims are they (15 inch), because if they are, the car
will be lucky to move off.
14 inch would probably be ok.
Nathan Wong
CAMERON SEEBER <n144...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>They are 15 inch
>Why would they be lucky to move off?
>I am not changing anything to do with the force required to move the car
>All that will happen is the car will take a bit longer and get to top
>speed
Assuming the overall diameter is slightly larger (and hence, the
higher top speed), you'll have slightly higher gearing, meaning the
acceleration isnt as good. Might be a problem with the old 4 on a
steep hill, but nothing to worry about unless the engine is REALLY
stuffed.
>Any way I am in the process to converting it to a worked 202 (over 350 hp)
>engine
350hp out of the old 202??? Please tell us more!
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>> CAMERON SEEBER wrote:
>> > I have a 4 cyl VC commodore and I have been offered some really cheap
>> > pursuit rims.
>> >
>> > What would I have to do to put these rims on?
>> >
4 cyl. C'dores used the same stud pattern as the old Torana and and all
6 Holdens up to HTGK (except FX/J).. You can only fit 14" wheels off an
HK/T/G or Volvo wheels (ugly).
6 and 8 C'dores used a metric stud pattern which is different from an HQ etc
you CAN bolt these wheels and Chev rims on to these but they WILL come loose.
It is dangerous.
Any tire store will tell you this. If they don't, go elsewhere.
You could fit a complete front and rear end from a 6 but why?. 6 cyl C'dores
are so cheap today why bother. The end result would cost more than the
real thing.
PA...@massey.ac.nz
Cameron wrote:
>Any way I am in the process to converting it to a worked 202 (over 350 hp)
>engine
>
on the road anyway.
Is this the HP figure the guys at the speed shop told you you would get?
CAMERON SEEBER
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 PA...@massey.ac.nz wrote:
> Cameron wrote:
> >Any way I am in the process to converting it to a worked 202 (over 350 hp)
> >engine
> >
> You don't have to worry what size your rims are, you won't be driving this
> on the road anyway.
It has even been sent in by the cops for a machinery and passed ???
> Is this the HP figure the guys at the speed shop told you you would get?
no this is what it is doing on the dyno
just wait till we gas it up in a few months ;)
cameron
PA...@massey.ac.nz
>> Cameron wrote:
>> >Any way I am in the process to converting it to a worked 202 (over 350 hp)
>> >engine
>> >
>> You don't have to worry what size your rims are, you won't be driving this
>> on the road anyway.
>Well it is in a LC torana at the moment and is registered
>It has even been sent in by the cops for a machinery and passed ???
be a big pig to drive.
>> Is this the HP figure the guys at the speed shop told you you would get?
>no this is what it is doing on the dyno
Nathan Wong
PA...@massey.ac.nz wrote:
> >Well it is in a LC torana at the moment and is registered
> >It has even been sent in by the cops for a machinery and passed ???
>If its not either Turbo/supercharged and or nitrous assisted it would
>be a big pig to drive.
> >> Is this the HP figure the guys at the speed shop told you you would get?
> >no this is what it is doing on the dyno
>Was this converting back from the rear wheel HP? (I suspect it is)
Don;t forget that different dynos give different figures. Some dynos
are renowned for having much bigger horses than other dynoes.
PA...@massey.ac.nz
>PA...@massey.ac.nz wrote:
I wrote;
<snip>
>>Was this converting back from the rear wheel HP? (I suspect it is)
Nathan wrote:
>Don;t forget that different dynos give different figures. Some dynos
>are renowned for having much bigger horses than other dynoes.
>
Exactly Nathan (although I didn't want to state the obvious)
Some dynos (operators) just seem to get HUGE HP from cars that will
never ever do it.
The operator just keeps adding on "losses" from every possible source.
Bit like "the heads were ported to flow 500HP" so, of course
thats the HP the engine makes. Nonsense.
Some people read too many street machine/ hot rod mags.
Sean Jones
Nathan Wong wrote:
>
> CAMERON SEEBER <n144...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >They are 15 inch
> >Why would they be lucky to move off?
> >I am not changing anything to do with the force required to move the car
> >All that will happen is the car will take a bit longer and get to top
> >speed
>
> Assuming the overall diameter is slightly larger (and hence, the
> higher top speed), you'll have slightly higher gearing, meaning the
> acceleration isnt as good. Might be a problem with the old 4 on a
> steep hill, but nothing to worry about unless the engine is REALLY
> stuffed.
>
> >engine
>
>
> Nathan Wong Alfa...@nectar.com.au
> Alfa...@pobox.com
> http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
> Super Touring and Motorsport Links
>
pulling power.Craig lownes drive car is the latest v8 commodore with 17
inch rims and 400 horsies and that is a fully worked v8.170 horses is
closer to the max out of a six
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Nathan Wong
PA...@massey.ac.nz wrote:
>Exactly Nathan (although I didn't want to state the obvious)
>Some dynos (operators) just seem to get HUGE HP from cars that will
> never ever do it.
>The operator just keeps adding on "losses" from every possible source.
Yes, it's a shame that it costs too much and is too much hassle to
just use an engine dyno... :-)
>Bit like "the heads were ported to flow 500HP" so, of course
>thats the HP the engine makes. Nonsense.
>Some people read too many street machine/ hot rod mags.
I actually noticed an article in Fast Fours and Rotaries which had a
Corolla with a 4AGE motor, the head reputedly floed 268hp....which I
took with a mountain of salt......
Still, if you get a reputable guy, and a reliable dyno, then figures
can come out pretty close I guess....
CAMERON SEEBER
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Sean Jones wrote:
> Nathan Wong wrote:
> > CAMERON SEEBER <n144...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> > 350hp out of the old 202??? Please tell us more!
> pulling power.Craig lownes drive car is the latest v8 commodore with 17
> inch rims and 400 horsies and that is a fully worked v8.170 horses is
> closer to the max out of a six
Well it is!!! sorry to disapoint you all, we are going to the dyno in a
few weeks so I will post the exact results then. Im not sure what craig
lownes has done to his commodore, we couldn't get enough power out of the
v8 commodore injectors, only about 40hp per injector so we opted for
another type.
Any way back to the original question
I am about to get some 15" pursuit rims for a good price and I want to put
them on my 4cyl VC commodore for as cheap as possible
Can anyone please tell me what I have to do?
I have asked the guy at commodore wrecking and a so called expert at the
holden service centre and both came up with different answers
please somebody help
thanks in advance
Cameron
Pete
FROM: PA...@massey.ac.nz
>Cameron wrote:
> >Any way I am in the process to converting it to a worked 202 (over 350 hp)
> >engine
> >
>on the road anyway.
While it sounds a little silly I believe it is not impossible but I also don't
believe this guy.
I saw a 12 second, six cylinder naturally aspirated LC torana at the drags a
while back. It ran a stroked 202 with aluminium head. For the Torana to run 12
it would need around 250-270 hp (grab a Moroso power/speed calculator to
verify this). Now add a super/turbo charger (and some Jet A1) for say an extra
80-100 hp. Close to 350 hp.
Theoretical perhaps, but not impossible.
With 350hp this guys should skip the chaser rims and head for some 15x12s to
put the power to the ground.
I recall and article in a US hot rod mag a few years agao. A guy took a Ford
300 cu inch six (similar to our old 250s, used in F series trucks and ambos),
cut up and rewelded a few 302/351 4V heads to make a 4V six cylinder head.
This thing claimed 600 hp and ran around 9 or 10s in a full sized sedan.
BTW theres a EA/EB 3.9/4.0 reportedly getting round sydney with around 450 hp.
Cheers, Pete!
Richard Fay
CAMERON SEEBER wrote:
> Any way back to the original question
>
> I am about to get some 15" pursuit rims for a good price and I want to put
> them on my 4cyl VC commodore for as cheap as possible
>
AFAIK the 4 cyl Commodore also had smaller front brakes compared to the
6 cylinder. Who knows what else they lightened to improve the
performance of the 4 cylinder Commodore.
Richard
Ted Palmer
Toi...@ingenico.com.au (Pete) wrote:
[...]
>I saw a 12 second, six cylinder naturally aspirated LC torana at the drags a
>while back. It ran a stroked 202 with aluminium head. For the Torana to run 12
Ally head? Exotic.
>it would need around 250-270 hp (grab a Moroso power/speed calculator to
>verify this). Now add a super/turbo charger (and some Jet A1) for say an extra
>80-100 hp. Close to 350 hp.
AFAIK, turbine fuel is more like kero than petrol.
Could be the go for the tractor racers out there.
>cut up and rewelded a few 302/351 4V heads to make a 4V six cylinder head.
>This thing claimed 600 hp and ran around 9 or 10s in a full sized sedan.
This guy must have been a real aritist with the molten metal to keep
it all together. Sounds like it might have been simpler to cast up a
whole new head.
Mister_T
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Trevor Sainty
CAMERON SEEBER wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Sean Jones wrote:
> > Nathan Wong wrote:
> > > CAMERON SEEBER <n144...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> > > 350hp out of the old 202??? Please tell us more!
> > Yes i agree there is no way in the world to get that king of pony
> > pulling power.Craig lownes drive car is the latest v8 commodore with 17
> > inch rims and 400 horsies and that is a fully worked v8.170 horses is
> > closer to the max out of a six
>
> Well it is!!! sorry to disapoint you all, we are going to the dyno in a
> few weeks so I will post the exact results then. Im not sure what craig
> lownes has done to his commodore, we couldn't get enough power out of the
> v8 commodore injectors, only about 40hp per injector so we opted for
> another type.
>
>
> I am about to get some 15" pursuit rims for a good price and I want to put
> them on my 4cyl VC commodore for as cheap as possible
>
> I have asked the guy at commodore wrecking and a so called expert at the
> holden service centre and both came up with different answers
>
> please somebody help
> thanks in advance
> Cameron
4 cyl VC Commodore has the Torana stud (6 cyl) patten but has a
different offset. Torana is approx O mm, where VC is about 40mm
Volvo wheels will fit with correct offset.
to the Torana
Hope this goes the right place never answed one of these before.
Pete
FROM: te...@replicant.apana.org.au (Ted Palmer)
>Toi...@ingenico.com.au (Pete) wrote:
[...]
>>I saw a 12 second, six cylinder naturally aspirated LC torana at the drags a
>>while back. It ran a stroked 202 with aluminium head. For the Torana to run
12
>Ally head? Exotic.
No, Alloy head :->
Not really exotic, Perfectune punches out for around a grand. They flow quite
well out of the box, being awell re-designed head.
>>it would need around 250-270 hp (grab a Moroso power/speed calculator to
>>verify this). Now add a super/turbo charger (and some Jet A1) for say an
extra
>>80-100 hp. Close to 350 hp.
>AFAIK, turbine fuel is more like kero than petrol.
>Could be the go for the tractor racers out there.
Yeah, but its claimed 130 octane. And if anything a force fed engine needs its
octane.
>>cut up and rewelded a few 302/351 4V heads to make a 4V six cylinder head.
>>This thing claimed 600 hp and ran around 9 or 10s in a full sized sedan.
>This guy must have been a real aritist with the molten metal to keep
>it all together. Sounds like it might have been simpler to cast up a
>whole new head.
Somepeoplego a longway to prove a silly point...
>Mister_T
Pete!