Frontwheel drive manual gearboxes

[Jason James]

Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft? Also does the box
have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?

Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be the
clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings also
failing more than others.

With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving. There is also too
much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
ie the box and final-drive..

Going to drop the oil this weekend.

Jason

[Albm&ctd]

In article <d511ec6e-8e82-4680...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,
5sf...@hotmail.com.au says...

Probably no spigot bearing or bush in the end of the crankshaft as you know it
like RWD have.
Noise when depressing the clutch can be dry throwout bearing.
Rattle/rumble in neutral without depressing the clutch can be clutch shaft
bearing.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.

[Noddy]

On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:

> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?

Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
configuration.

> Also does the box have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?

Of course. How else would it work?

> Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be the
> clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings also
> failing more than others.

Can't say I ever noticed that to be a prominent "FWD" problem myself.

> With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
> the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving.

Does it do it in neutral when you press the clutch? If it does, it's
most likely a worn out clutch thrust bearing.

> There is also too much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
> ie the box and final-drive..
>
> Going to drop the oil this weekend.

That'd be a good idea :)


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Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
>> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
>> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?
>
> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> configuration.

Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
on it for alignment.

Is that what you meant to say or are you wrong?

[Clocky]

Jason James wrote:
> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?

Most don't have a spigot bearing, true.

[Noddy]

On 5/05/2012 7:43 AM, Clocky wrote:

> Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
> on it for alignment.

Oh yes they do :)

> Is that what you meant to say or are you wrong?

No, and no.



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Noddy.

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 5/05/2012 7:43 AM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they
>> don't rely on it for alignment.
>
> Oh yes they do :)
>

Most in fact don't.

>> Is that what you meant to say or are you wrong?
>
> No, and no.

Yes.

[Clocky]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article
> <d511ec6e-8e82-4680...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,
> 5sf...@hotmail.com.au says...
>> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
>> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft? Also does the
>> box have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?
>>
>> Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be
>> the clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings
>> also failing more than others.
>>
>> With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
>> the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving. There is also too
>> much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
>> ie the box and final-drive..
>>
>> Going to drop the oil this weekend.
>>
>> Jason
>>
> Probably no spigot bearing or bush in the end of the crankshaft as
> you know it like RWD have.

Noddy disagrees so that can't be right ;-)

> Noise when depressing the clutch can be dry throwout bearing.
> Rattle/rumble in neutral without depressing the clutch can be clutch
> shaft bearing.
>

Yep.

[Noddy]

On 5/05/2012 12:56 PM, Clocky wrote:

> Most in fact don't.

Really....

I guess all those FWD clutches I did over the years *with* them were
just figments of my imagination then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh, and Jason, if you're still listening, your Mazda very definitely
does have one :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Jason James]

On May 4, 11:15 pm, Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
> On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
> > Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
> > clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?
>
> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> configuration.
>
> > Also does the box have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?
>
> Of course. How else would it work?
>
> > Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be the
> > clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings also
> > failing more than others.
>
> Can't say I ever noticed that to be a prominent "FWD" problem myself.
>
> > With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
> > the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving.
>
> Does it do it in neutral when you press the clutch? If it does, it's
> most likely a worn out clutch thrust bearing.

No, the car needs to be moving.

> > There is also too much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
> > ie the box and final-drive..
>
> > Going to drop the oil this weekend.
>
> That'd be a good idea :)

Aye,...:-)

Jason

[Jason James]

On May 4, 10:26 pm, Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNO...@connexus.net.au> wrote:
> In article <d511ec6e-8e82-4680-a5bb-8e161817d...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,
> 5sfe...@hotmail.com.au says...

> It's more fun to insult everyone.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes,...thanx for that ...

Jason

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 5/05/2012 12:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Most in fact don't.
>
> Really....
>

Yes really, and amongst mechanics this is common knowledge. What rock have
you been living under?

> I guess all those FWD clutches I did over the years *with* them were
> just figments of my imagination then. Thanks for clearing that up.
>

Obviously didn't take not of most that didn't.

> Oh, and Jason, if you're still listening, your Mazda very definitely
> does have one :)

Which says to me that you didn't work on a wide variety of vehicles, most of
which wouldn't have had one.

[Jason James]

On May 4, 10:26 pm, Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNO...@connexus.net.au> wrote:
> In article <d511ec6e-8e82-4680-a5bb-8e161817d...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,

> 5sfe...@hotmail.com.au says...

>
>
>
> > Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
> > clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?  Also does the box
> > have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?
>
> > Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be the
> > clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings also
> > failing more than others.
>
> > With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
> > the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving. There is also too
> > much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
> > ie the box and final-drive..
>
> > Going to drop the oil this weekend.
>
> > Jason
>
> Probably no spigot bearing or bush in the end of the crankshaft as you know it
> like RWD have.
> Noise when depressing the clutch can be dry throwout bearing.
> Rattle/rumble in neutral without depressing the clutch can be clutch shaft
> bearing.

I s the absence of a spigot bearing in the rear of the crank due to
the lack of available space when removing the gearbox? IE have to move
the box left to right to clear the clutch before raising it? While a
spigot would mean having to move the box an additional inch or so.

Jason

[Jason James]

If it didnt have a spigot, the whole weight of the clutch-plate would
be hanging of the clutch shaft end. In that case, the clutch-shaft
woud need to be thicker and have a double race at the gearbox end?

Jason

[atec77]

Last camry we changed a box on had no bearing in the flywheel and
putting the clutch back in was a mongrel as there was no alignment tool
we had which worked meaning a loaner was needed

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[Jason James]

On May 5, 1:04 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:

> Albm&ctd wrote:
> > In article
> > <d511ec6e-8e82-4680-a5bb-8e161817d...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,

> > 5sfe...@hotmail.com.au says...

This g/box only makes a "wheeee" sound when the car is moving and the
box is in 1st and the clutch is depressed. Its a cable-clutch.
Personally, I think the whole box and diff is nutted. The engine is
superb, it gets 28 mpg around town and shits on the 2.2L Camry for
performance. The power to weight is superior to the Camry. It had 128
tired horses in a 1.35t body, while the spritely 1839cc Mazda provides
122hp in a 1.06T body. Its this spritely performance which probably
stuffed the box. The car body and interior is like new.

Jason

[Albm&ctd]

In article <96fcad16-37b8-41b5...@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
5sf...@hotmail.com.au says...

Take your meds.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <4fa5a7c3$0$11123$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>, not...@happen.com
says...

Well he is a pushrod RWD V8 knuckle dragger after all...

[Albm&ctd]

In article <b0a23221-0afe-4e88...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
5sf...@hotmail.com.au says...

'bout fuck*ng time you silly olde crunt.

[Noddy]

On 6/05/2012 8:21 AM, Clocky wrote:

> Which says to me that you didn't work on a wide variety of vehicles, most of
> which wouldn't have had one.

I ran a general automotive repair business for around a decade. Unlike a
dealership I wasn't aligned to any particular brand and worked on *many*
different types and makes of vehicles and I changed *many* a spigot
bearing on fwd cars.

Over to you.....



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Noddy.

[Clocky]

They have a fully supported and short input shaft, that is why then don't
need a spigot IIRC.

[Clocky]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Z403-ZECA-CLUTCH-ALIGNMENT-TOOL-FRONT-WHEEL-DRIVE-/310172821197

We had this kind of thing and it saw plenty of use.

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 6/05/2012 8:21 AM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Which says to me that you didn't work on a wide variety of vehicles,
>> most of which wouldn't have had one.
>
> I ran a general automotive repair business for around a decade.
> Unlike a dealership

I worked for years at an independant workshop, and even you should know that
dealerships work on many different kinds of used vehicles. I guess you might
also be surprised that my dealership experience isn't limited to Hondas.

I wasn't aligned to any particular brand and
> worked on *many* different types and makes of vehicles and I changed
> *many* a spigot bearing on fwd cars.
>

So have I, but many more don't have them. Any mechanic worth his salt knows
this.
> Over to you.....

Feel free to Google the answer as you usually do since you clearly aren't
nearly as clever as you pretend to be.

Nobody is surprised.

Over to you...
Not enough to notice that

[Noddy]

On 8/05/2012 6:20 PM, Clocky wrote:

> I worked for years at an independant workshop, and even you should know that
> dealerships work on many different kinds of used vehicles. I guess you might
> also be surprised that my dealership experience isn't limited to Hondas.

Not really.

> So have I, but many more don't have them. Any mechanic worth his salt knows
> this.

Ah. So now it's "many more don't have them". A few posts ago it was
simply "They don't have them".

That's an admission of error I suppose....

> Feel free to Google the answer as you usually do since you clearly aren't
> nearly as clever as you pretend to be.

Google the answer to *what*? I *know* that they're out there as I've
seen heaps of them you silly cunt.

> Nobody is surprised.

It normally takes quite a bit for me to be surprised.

> Over to you...
> Not enough to notice that

Been on the turps early? You're making about as much sense as Jonz.


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Noddy.

[jonz]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 8/05/2012 6:20 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> I worked for years at an independant workshop, and even you should
>> know that dealerships work on many different kinds of used vehicles.
>> I guess you might also be surprised that my dealership experience
>> isn't limited to Hondas.
>
> Not really.
>
>> So have I, but many more don't have them. Any mechanic worth his
>> salt knows this.
>
> Ah. So now it's "many more don't have them". A few posts ago it was
> simply "They don't have them".
>

Few have them, most don't. Doesn't change a thing.

> That's an admission of error I suppose....
>

You implied they all have them, now that is clearly an error.

>> Feel free to Google the answer as you usually do since you clearly
>> aren't nearly as clever as you pretend to be.
>
> Google the answer to *what*? I *know* that they're out there as I've
> seen heaps of them you silly cunt.
>

Heaps but you missed the shitloads that didn't? Nice try, but no cigar.

>> Nobody is surprised.
>
> It normally takes quite a bit for me to be surprised.
>
>> Over to you...
>> Not enough to notice that
>
> Been on the turps early? You're making about as much sense as Jonz.

So you are wrong and start the bullying and abuse in a pathetic attempt to
distract from the facts... same as always.

Here's something useful you could add to your pathetic act... and that is
just admit that you were wrong just this once.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <4fa92ac0$0$11116$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>, not...@happen.com
says...

Clocky, It would be a real crunt if Jasons Astina has one and the dwarf is right
in this case, that's why I did the each way bet with "Probably no spigot bearing
or bush" 'cause I dunno having never had a clutch out of one. But yeah it did
seem Nod the Great was implying they *all* had a bush.

Jason should see if a bush is available as a spare part.

[Noddy]

On 9/05/2012 12:17 AM, Clocky wrote:

> Few have them, most don't. Doesn't change a thing.

Oh, right. Fair enough then. If it's only a few, then perhaps you could
list them for us so we know what to watch out for :)

> You implied they all have them, now that is clearly an error.

Bzzzt...

Nice try buddy, but it was *you* in fact who implied that they *don't*
all have them, and I can give you the mail on that right here and now.

> Heaps but you missed the shitloads that didn't? Nice try, but no cigar.

I'll take that on board, but I have to admit to it making about as much
sense as a 28 dollar note.

> So you are wrong and start the bullying and abuse in a pathetic attempt to
> distract from the facts... same as always.

Fuck.....

> Here's something useful you could add to your pathetic act... and that is
> just admit that you were wrong just this once.

Here's something you can shove up your arse sideways. The last 5 FWD
clucthes I did *all* had conventional spigot bearings, and if memory
serves the latest one was a mid 2000's model. Yet according to you only
a "few" fwd cars are so equipped.

I must be pretty unlucky, huh?




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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 9/05/2012 1:37 PM, Albm&ctd wrote:

> Clocky, It would be a real crunt if Jasons Astina has one and the dwarf is right
> in this case, that's why I did the each way bet with "Probably no spigot bearing
> or bush" 'cause I dunno having never had a clutch out of one. But yeah it did
> seem Nod the Great was implying they *all* had a bush.

My apologies if that's how what I said came over, as it was *not* what I
was trying to say. I'm well aware that *some* fwd cars don't have a
spigot, and in particular later models.

What I *was* trying to do was object to Clocky's ridiculous comment of ...

> Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
> on it for alignment.

...which is complete bullshit.

> Jason should see if a bush is available as a spare part.

I'll bet my left spigot that they use one.


--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

That is what I was commenting on. I think Mazda is one of the few that do
use a bush or bearing on some of their cars, but most manufacturers don't
use them at all or at least not on many of their cars hence I said most, not
all.

> Jason should see if a bush is available as a spare part.
>

Should be, if it's applicable.
> Al

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 9/05/2012 1:37 PM, Albm&ctd wrote:
>
>> Clocky, It would be a real crunt if Jasons Astina has one and the
>> dwarf is right in this case, that's why I did the each way bet with
>> "Probably no spigot bearing or bush" 'cause I dunno having never had
>> a clutch out of one. But yeah it did seem Nod the Great was implying
>> they *all* had a bush.
>
> My apologies if that's how what I said came over, as it was *not*
> what I was trying to say. I'm well aware that *some* fwd cars don't
> have a spigot, and in particular later models.
>
> What I *was* trying to do was object to Clocky's ridiculous comment
> of ...

A well established statement of fact actually, as any well experienced
mechanic will attest to.

>> Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they
>> don't rely on it for alignment.
>
> ...which is complete bullshit.
>

Have fun explaining why a motherload of fwd don't have them then.

>> Jason should see if a bush is available as a spare part.
>
> I'll bet my left spigot that they use one.

Go find a fwd Corolla that does.

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 9/05/2012 12:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Few have them, most don't. Doesn't change a thing.
>
> Oh, right. Fair enough then. If it's only a few, then perhaps you
> could list them for us so we know what to watch out for :)
>
>> You implied they all have them, now that is clearly an error.
>
> Bzzzt...
>
> Nice try buddy, but it was *you* in fact who implied that they *don't*
> all have them, and I can give you the mail on that right here and now.
>

<Noddy on spigots and FWD vehicles>

Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
configuration.

Which is bullshit since a fuckload of FWD vehicles do not have a spigot bush
or bearing.

>> Heaps but you missed the shitloads that didn't? Nice try, but no
>> cigar.
>
> I'll take that on board, but I have to admit to it making about as
> much sense as a 28 dollar note.
>

You should have replaced a few more clutches and actually paid some
attention.

>> So you are wrong and start the bullying and abuse in a pathetic
>> attempt to distract from the facts... same as always.
>
> Fuck.....
>
>> Here's something useful you could add to your pathetic act... and
>> that is just admit that you were wrong just this once.
>
> Here's something you can shove up your arse sideways. The last 5 FWD
> clucthes I did *all* had conventional spigot bearings,

Uhuh... name them. I'll await the result of your feverish googling.

and if memory
> serves the latest one was a mid 2000's model. Yet according to you
> only a "few" fwd cars are so equipped.

A well established fact which I can vouch for personally having done more
clutches on vehicles from every continent then I would care to remember.

> I must be pretty unlucky, huh?

No, just an ignoramus.

[Noddy]

On 10/05/2012 3:04 AM, Clocky wrote:

> That is what I was commenting on. I think Mazda is one of the few that do
> use a bush or bearing on some of their cars, but most manufacturers don't
> use them at all or at least not on many of their cars hence I said most, not
> all.

You originally said none, and that's what I was objecting to. I'd also
add that it's a relatively new thing, and if you went back ten years it
would be the exact opposite.


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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 10/05/2012 4:07 PM, Clocky wrote:

> A well established statement of fact actually, as any well experienced
> mechanic will attest to.

Well established, huh?

So, when you said "Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or
bearing and don't rely on it for alignment" you actually meant:

(a) This is the case for *all* front wheel drives and has been since the
year dot

(b) This is the case of most modern fwd's built in the last 10 years or so

or (c) This is the case in most examples that I've seen.

Even though I've been out of the professional car trade for some time
now I know for a *fact* that (a) isn't the case and I dare say you do as
well, so presumably you meant (b) or (c).

Either way, neither of them fits with your claim.

> Have fun explaining why a motherload of fwd don't have them then.

I can tell you exactly why some don't have them but that's beside the
point. The point is that a great many *have* had them in the past, and
some still do.

> Go find a fwd Corolla that does.

So because a Corolla doesn't, that constitutes the world state of
affairs with regards to FWD cars, does it?

And you reckon *I* can be thick at times?





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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 10/05/2012 4:14 PM, Clocky wrote:

> <Noddy on spigots and FWD vehicles>
>
> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> configuration.
>
> Which is bullshit since a fuckload of FWD vehicles do not have a spigot bush
> or bearing.

Clearly the ones that do not don't and the ones that do obviously do,
but more to the point Jason's Astina does and that's what he was asking
about.

> You should have replaced a few more clutches and actually paid some
> attention.

That's fucking rich coming from a dealership "technician" :)

> Uhuh... name them. I'll await the result of your feverish googling.

Do I really need to bother?

Whatever I offered up will simply see you call "bullshit" or just go off
into some pathetic rant about shit that's completely irrelevant.

> A well established fact which I can vouch for personally having done more
> clutches on vehicles from every continent then I would care to remember.

Yeah, sure.

> No, just an ignoramus.

If you say so, but as you know I think most dealership tech's are worth
three fifths of fuck all so I'll take your comments for all I think
they're worth.



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Noddy wrote:
> On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
>> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no

>> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?

>
> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> configuration.

Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
on it for alignment.

Is that what you meant to say or are you wrong?

So what part of the statement

"Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
on it for alignment."

means "most" to you ??
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[Noddy]

I apologised to Al, and need to do the same to Clocky as reading my own
comments back to myself it does indeed look like I was saying that all
FWD's use a spigot when the fact is that they don't. What I was *trying*
to do was address Jason's comments directly in reference to his own
vehicle as they most certainly do use a spigot and I know that for a
fact as I've had the engine out of an Astina before.

I think Clocky is most likely right in that the majority of FWD cars of
today have stepped flywheels rather than use a spigot in the crank, but
then that hasn't always been the case and crank spigots in FWD cars have
been common.

For the record, the last few fwd cars that I've either done clutches on
or had the engines out for various reasons that *did* use one were the
Astina, Daewoo Nubira, Hyundai Excel, Ford Laser. There's no doubt been
others but that's stretching my memory.



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[Clocky]

I clarified my general statement later. It seems odd that Noddy's blanket
statement about FWD vehicles using them for the reasons he specified
(incorrectly) doesn't have the same scrutiny applied to it.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <jokfe0$hgt$1...@dont-email.me>, m...@home.com says...

Be a real bastard if a partially siezed spigot bush/bearing is causing his hard
shifting :-)
Input spline dry as a witches tit and the clutch centre stuck by rust can do it
too.

I guess he's checked the clutch operation and adjustments?

[Noddy]

On 12/05/2012 4:33 PM, Albm&ctd wrote:

> Be a real bastard if a partially siezed spigot bush/bearing is causing his hard
> shifting :-)
> Input spline dry as a witches tit and the clutch centre stuck by rust can do it
> too.
>
> I guess he's checked the clutch operation and adjustments?

I have no idea.

I got a sense from his comments that his car's had a hard life, and the
gearbox may just be fucked. For his sake I hope not, but who knows.




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Noddy.

[Clocky]

No, a lot longer my experience but then I've worked on everything from the
most obscure Euros to the most common Jap stuff. in that time, and a lot of
it.

[Clocky]

Noddy wrote:
> On 10/05/2012 4:14 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> <Noddy on spigots and FWD vehicles>
>>
>> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
>> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
>> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any
>> other configuration.
>>
>> Which is bullshit since a fuckload of FWD vehicles do not have a
>> spigot bush or bearing.
>
> Clearly the ones that do not don't and the ones that do obviously do,
> but more to the point Jason's Astina does and that's what he was
> asking about.
>

I think if you actually go back and read the first post his questions were
general before he brought the Astina into it.

>> You should have replaced a few more clutches and actually paid some
>> attention.
>
> That's fucking rich coming from a dealership "technician" :)
>

You think dealership used car departments don't replace clutched on just
about every conceivable make and model?

Did you consider that I worked for many years outside of a dealership
environment fixing cars where clutchjobs were bread and butter work?

I know the answer, don't bother.

>> Uhuh... name them. I'll await the result of your feverish googling.
>
> Do I really need to bother?
>
> Whatever I offered up will simply see you call "bullshit" or just go
> off into some pathetic rant about shit that's completely irrelevant.
>

Oh right, so bathe in your ignorance and parade it like a trophy... go
ahead, but please forgive me if I call you out on your BS when I see it.

>> A well established fact which I can vouch for personally having done
>> more clutches on vehicles from every continent then I would care to
>> remember.
>
> Yeah, sure.
>

There you go again.

>> No, just an ignoramus.
>
> If you say so, but as you know I think most dealership tech's are
> worth three fifths of fuck all so I'll take your comments for all I
> think they're worth.

Yeah, never let the facts stand in the way of what you "think".

Same tired ol' BS we have come to expect from you in recent years.

[CyBorg 0091]

On May 6, 10:43 am, atec77 <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/05/2012 9:28 AM, Jason James wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 7:43 am, "Clocky"<notg...@happen.com>  wrote:

> >> Noddy wrote:
> >>> On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
> >>>> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no

> >>>> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?

>
> >>> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> >>> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> >>> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> >>> configuration.
>

> >> Front wheel drives don't have a spigot bush or bearing and they don't rely
> >> on it for alignment.
>
> >> Is that what you meant to say or are you wrong?
>

> > If it didnt have a spigot, the whole weight of the clutch-plate would
> > be hanging of the clutch shaft end. In that case, the clutch-shaft
> > woud need to be thicker and have a double race at the gearbox end?
>
> > Jason
>
> Last camry we changed a box on had no bearing in the flywheel and
> putting the clutch back in was a mongrel as there was no alignment tool
> we had which worked meaning a loaner was needed
>

> --
>
> X-No-Archive: Yes

I always make my alignment tools,a extention bar and duck tape
mazda special tool number i dont know

[CyBorg 0091]

On May 4, 11:15 pm, Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
> On 4/05/2012 6:04 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
> > Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no
> > clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?
>
> Do you mean a machined portion of the input shaft that locates in a
> spigot bearing or bush in the back of the crankshaft? If so, then the
> answer is no. They rely on it for clutch alignment just like any other
> configuration.
>

> > Also does the box have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?
>
> Of course. How else would it work?
>
> > Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be the
> > clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings also
> > failing more than others.
>
> Can't say I ever noticed that to be a prominent "FWD" problem myself.
>
> > With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress
> > the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving.
>
> Does it do it in neutral when you press the clutch? If it does, it's
> most likely a worn out clutch thrust bearing.
>

> > There is also too much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
> > ie the box and final-drive..
>
> > Going to drop the oil this weekend.
>
> That'd be a good idea :)
>

> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

would say thats more of a mazda design issue,they all get sloppy there
in those places,but dose not really affect ya unless you are racing
continually,then again a new mazda box is a bit tight.

[CyBorg 0091]

On May 6, 10:54 am, Jason James <5sfe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On May 5, 1:04 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Albm&ctd wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d511ec6e-8e82-4680-a5bb-8e161817d...@o3g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,
> > > 5sfe...@hotmail.com.au says...

> > >> Because of the configuration, is it true a FWD manual box has no

> > >> clutch-shaft support in the back of the crankshaft?  Also does the

> > >> box have a layshaft like conventional inline boxes?
>

> > >> Just wondering, as the 2 most occuring bearing failures used to be
> > >> the clutch-shaft *gearbox front bearing,..with the layshaft bearings
> > >> also failing more than others.
>

> > >> With the Astina, there is a loudish "wheeee" noise when you depress

> > >> the clutch in 1st gear and the vehicle is moving. There is also too

> > >> much slop in the differential-gears for my liking. I think its rooted
> > >> ie the box and final-drive..
>
> > >> Going to drop the oil this weekend.
>

> > >> Jason
>
> > > Probably no spigot bearing or bush in the end of the crankshaft as
> > > you know it like RWD have.
>
> > Noddy disagrees so that can't be right ;-)
>
> > > Noise when depressing the clutch can be dry throwout bearing.
> > > Rattle/rumble in neutral without depressing the clutch can be clutch
> > > shaft bearing.
>
> This g/box only makes a "wheeee" sound when the car is moving and the
> box is in 1st and the clutch is depressed. Its a cable-clutch.
> Personally, I think the whole box and diff is nutted. The engine is
> superb, it gets 28 mpg around town and shits on the 2.2L Camry for
> performance. The power to weight is superior to the Camry. It had 128
> tired horses in a 1.35t body, while the spritely 1839cc Mazda provides
> 122hp in a 1.06T body. Its this spritely performance which probably
> stuffed the box. The car body and interior is like new.
>
> Jason

thats common for mazdas with worn out synco rings,I had one it did it
in 3 gears 123 not top it had been used as a burnout bus.

just drive till she dies and get annother box

[Albm&ctd]

In article <jolfo3$lu6$7...@dont-email.me>, m...@home.com says...

IOW he's just a silly olde crunt for buying an Astina :-)

[Noddy]

On 13/05/2012 10:08 AM, Clocky wrote:

> No, a lot longer my experience but then I've worked on everything from the
> most obscure Euros to the most common Jap stuff. in that time, and a lot of
> it.

You can't have done too many if your experience tells you that most of
them don't run a spigot :)


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[Noddy]

On 13/05/2012 10:26 AM, Clocky wrote:

> I think if you actually go back and read the first post his questions were
> general before he brought the Astina into it.

They were, but I took it for granted that he was relating to his own issues.

> You think dealership used car departments don't replace clutched on just
> about every conceivable make and model?

Not usually :)

> Did you consider that I worked for many years outside of a dealership
> environment fixing cars where clutchjobs were bread and butter work?

Nope.

> I know the answer, don't bother.

Oh, okay. Sorry about that Chief.

> Oh right, so bathe in your ignorance and parade it like a trophy... go
> ahead, but please forgive me if I call you out on your BS when I see it.

Knock your socks off pal, but bear in mind that just because *you*
consider something to be bullshit doesn't mean it is.

> There you go again.

I was taking your word for it. *Jesus* you're a hyper sensitive cunt :)

> Yeah, never let the facts stand in the way of what you "think".

What "facts" would these be? Just because that's how *you* think the
situation is?

In *your* experience, you've seen more fwd cars without spigots than
with, so therefore there are few fwd's that actually use them according
to you (you originally said none, but then changed it to "most" but
we'll let that one slide).

That's a bit of the old "My cat has 4 legs. All dogs have 4 legs.
Therefore my cat is a dog" logic. Don't you think?

> Same tired ol' BS we have come to expect from you in recent years.

You know Clocky, you're a funny guy. your mood runs either very hot or
very cold and there doesn't seem to be anything in particular that makes
it change from one to the other.

Not that I give a fuck mind you, but it sure is odd.



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"Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message

news:4fadec18$0$29976$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...

Yep, I saw that and I retract my previous comment without reservation.
Sorry.

[Clocky]

NP mate.