OT: Afghanistan

[Yosemite Sam]

the shithole is a shithole again.  :(

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

[Clocky]

On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>

Another war the Americans have lost...

[alvey]

The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning ran
from 1861 - 1865.



alvey

[Yosemite Sam]

nonsense


>
> alvey

[keithr0]

On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:

The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.

[Noddy]

ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)

Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit if
he wanted to be :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
suspect they might have something to say about who was most instrumental
in defeating the Germans.

[Clocky]

On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>
>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning
>>> ran
>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>>
>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>
> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)

The Americans didn't win WWII.

> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit if
> he wanted to be :)
>

You're not doing so well yourself, fraud.

[keithr0]

On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>> winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>
>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>
> The Americans didn't win WWII.

No, but they did play a decisive role, especially against Japan.

[Noddy]

On 19/08/2021 7:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:

>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>>
>> The Americans didn't win WWII.
>
> No, but they did play a decisive role, especially against Japan.

Indeed. They did the same thing in WWI.

>
>>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit
>>> if he wanted to be :)
>>>
>>
>> You're not doing so well yourself, fraud.

From the "licensed mechanic" who can't work out windscreen glass.

No wonder you're a fucking mudflap fitter, you useless cunt.

[keithr0]

I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in the
war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans played in
the war against Japan.

Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.

[alvey]

They may, but like the wars themselves, they'd lose.

Check out the Forces numbers for WW2 in Europe. Russia, helped by the
madness of Hitler and despite Stalin's pre-war carnage, would have beaten
Germany all by themselves. Alternatively, read some actual historians
rather than watching endless Hollywood propaganda.




alvey

[Xeno]

Most mechanics, especially these days, don't do windscreens. I haven't
had to do a windscreen since the early 70s.

>
> No wonder you're a fucking mudflap fitter, you useless cunt.

No Darren, he has completed an apprenticeship, passed all requirements
and has trade experience *as a motor mechanic* and an auto electrician*.
All you have is fake claims to trade papers, fake claims of business
ownership and fake claims of membership to the VACC - all your claims
have been *proven* to be fake. You have nothing, you're a 100% fraud.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[alvey]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:19:55 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>
>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning ran
>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>>
>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>
> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)

Hmmmm. Military history from a fool who falsely claimed that his father
"fought in Korea". Pass.

>
> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit if
> he wanted to be :)

"Seriously"? Look Darren, it is *fact*, not opinion that you are a
monstrous liar, hypocrite and offensive little sociopath. That you expect
anyone even half normal to take *anything* you say "seriously" is just
another indication of how very distant you are from reality.



alvey

[Xeno]

I doubt Darren has ever had *any experience* with *reality*. He's never
been within cooee of it, his entire *claimed* working career just one
long fantasy to compensate for a *life of failure*. And that's sad!

[alvey]

Yep. You're right. I should have used "the". Mea culpa.



alvey
History trivia: Reputable polls done in the UK, USA & Russia all showed
that the locals believed that they were *the* decisive force in winning
WW2.

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 5:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>>
>> The Americans didn't win WWII.
>
> No, but they did play a decisive role, especially against Japan.

Against Japan sure.

[Clocky]

Clearly I struck a raw nerve with my comment :-)

[Clocky]

I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.

> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.

Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)

[Clocky]

Indeed.

[John_H]

The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
that particular conflict as did the Germans. Hence, by you logic, the
Germans won that one!

--
John H

[John_H]

Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>the shithole is a shithole again.  :(

The upside being that when they're all reduced to peasantry their
carbon footprint will be even smaller... it's already around one
fiftieth of ours on a per capita basis.

Someone should tell Matt Canavan.

--
John H

[Noddy]

Indeed they did, but I would suggest that they also played the decisive
role in defeating the Nazi's as well.

The Russians fought alone against the Germans on the Eastern Front, but
it's interesting to note that even thought the Germans were hopelessly
outnumbered by the Soviets it still took the Russians 3 years to push
them back to Berlin. It's *also* interesting to note that the Russians
suffered more casualties in doing so than the Germans did in the entire
war from East to West and everything in Between.

I don't doubt for a second that had Germany not had a Western front to
contend with combined with a immensely destructive allied bombing
campaign that devastated their industrial ability to wage war they would
have overwhelmed the Russians regardless of how many unarmed peasant
farm boys the Russians may have stood up in front of the advancing Panzers.

On the other hand, I *also* have no doubt that had there not been an
Eastern Front leaving Germany to focus their entire war effort on
controlling Western Europe, They would have been decisively defeated at
the hands of a US lead Allied force and for the exact same reasons that
the Japanese were.

From the moment the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour and brought the
Americans into the war, an Allied victory was assured.

> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.

He usually is. Alvey is ignorant of a great many things and compensates
for that by simply making it up as he goes along.

He's not playing with a full deck, but then you don't need to take my
word for that. His own posting history proves it in spades. Or Clubs or
Diamonds if you prefer. I won't suggest Hearts, because I don't think
the whiny little cunt has any :)

[Noddy]

Lol :)

[Noddy]

On 19/08/2021 11:49 am, John_H wrote:

> Clocky wrote:

>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most instrumental
>> in defeating the Germans.
>>
>
> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
> that particular conflict as did the Germans. Hence, by you logic, the
> Germans won that one!

:)

The exact number of Russian "military" casualties will never be known
due to the fairly unorganized state of their military resistance, but
I've seen figures quoted as being between two and four times the number
of Soviet military deaths on the Eastern Front as Germany suffered for
the entire war.

Either way, the one certainty is that the Russians paid a *far* heavier
human price in Victory than the Germans did in defeat.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:

Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)

[Yosemite Sam]

On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:

> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>> winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>
>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>
> The Americans didn't win WWII.

but their contribution was more than significant. they keep Britain
supplied during the darkest days of the war, despite the Kriegsmarines
best efforts. they were a big part of the D-Day landings. the battle of
Coral Sea broke the back of the Imperial Japanese navy, and taking the
pacific Islands opened the gateway to Japan. and no less importantly the
USA's massive manufacturing capability meant resupply of equipment
losses was not a major issue. for example the enormous number of
Shermans they poured into the war effort.

>
>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit
>> if he wanted to be :)
>>
>

I don't see what Alvey was trying to say, unless he confused the War of
Independence with the Civil War

> You're not doing so well yourself, fraud.

when does he ever?

[Yosemite Sam]

lol. maybe noddy can't tell the difference between a panel beater and a
mechanic  :)

>>
>> No wonder you're a fucking mudflap fitter, you useless cunt.
>
> No Darren, he has completed an apprenticeship, passed all requirements
> and has trade experience *as a motor mechanic* and an auto
> electrician*. All you have is fake claims to trade papers, fake claims
> of business ownership and fake claims of membership to the VACC - all
> your claims have been *proven* to be fake. You have nothing, you're a
> 100% fraud.
>
>

--

[Yosemite Sam]

well said

[keithr0]

On 19/08/2021 10:40 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:00:19 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning
>>>>> ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most instrumental
>>> in defeating the Germans.
>>>
>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in the
>> war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans played in
>> the war against Japan.
>>
>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>
> Yep. You're right. I should have used "the". Mea culpa.

You'd still have been wrong, they had *THE* decisive role in the defeat
of Japan.

[keithr0]

On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 6:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>>
>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>>
>>>
>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in
>> the war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans
>> played in the war against Japan.
>>
>
> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.

100% pure cop out

>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>
> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)

You agreed with him because that's what you do.

[keithr0]

Quite true,

[Yosemite Sam]

massive projection. huge..

[keithr0]

On 19/08/2021 11:54 am, Noddy wrote:

Had the Americans not joined the European war, it would probably ended
in a draw with the Russians kicking the Germans out of Russia, and
possibly parts of eastern Europe, but leaving Germany holding western
Europe. The British would not have had the resources to invade Europe on
their own, and the Russians couldn't have driven into Germany without
there being a western front.

[Xeno]

Wow! What a massive load of projection you just threw in there. All that
last paragraph is you in a nutshell.

Well done you!

[Xeno]

They did, initially. Until the Russkies regrouped.

[Yosemite Sam]

he's a hateful little scumbag isn't he. and if he had half the brain of
a quarter of alvey's, he still wouldn't have a quarter of the brain of a
half of that :)

[Noddy]

I'm not so sure :)

Remember, it took the Russians a *long* time before they started to
drive the Germans back, and the bulk of that Russians success only came
after the Germans had started to suffer heavily at the hands of the
Allies in the West. It wasn't because the Russians had got better at
their game, but because the Germans had become increasingly hamstrung at
theirs.

The effect of the Allied air campaign over Germany during WWII simply
cannot be over stated. It was the "Second Front" that the Russians had
called for since Germany first invaded Russia, and it's effect on
Germany's ability to wage war in the East was staggering. Had it not
ever occurred the Russians would have suffered a *very* different fate
in my opinion.

> The British would not have had the resources to invade Europe on
> their own,

Dieppe, and later "Market Garden" showed that the British were
outstandingly good at monumental military fuck ups :)

> and the Russians couldn't have driven into Germany without
> there being a western front.

Had it just been the Germans against the Russians with the Germans not
having to contend with anyone else I believe the Russians would have
been crushed.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 19/08/2021 1:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/8/21 11:49 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>>
>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>> instrumental
>>> in defeating the Germans.
>>>
>>
>> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
>> that particular conflict as did the Germans.  Hence, by you logic, the
>> Germans won that one!
>>
> They did, initially. Until the Russkies regrouped.
>

initially the Ruskies suffered many unnecessary military and civilian
losses because Stalin hesitated in committing to war with Germany,
simply because he didn't believe the initial reports of a German
invasion. He couldn't believe his 'friend' and ally Hitler would turn
against him. then there were several significant factors that resulted
in the German defeat, none the less being the Russian T-34 tank. Hitler
made so many blunders in Barbarossa, but one of the lesser spoken of is
his desire to use the Tiger tank he was so proud of, and he delayed some
of his military effort waiting for sufficient numbers to arrive. had he
not done so, and relied on his Panzers alone he would have fared better.
when Tigers were eventually used their weight often caused them to bog
down in soft ground. but the massive production of the T-34, which
Stalin was able to sustain at will after he moved production East, was
one of the most significant factors in the fight against Hitler.

[Noddy]

On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:

>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>
> 100% pure cop out

You're starting to catch on? :)

>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>
>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>
> You agreed with him because that's what you do.

Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.

As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
in a tree house.

[Noddy]

To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
wear a lot of the blame.

I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was too
scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)

[alvey]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:15:31 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>
> You're starting to catch on? :)
>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>
> Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
> midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
> need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.

Sounds like a childhood recollection from Der Der that does.

>
> As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
> in a tree house.

lol!
You say many things many times Fraudster. Alas, frequency does not up their
veracity from zero.

Now, if you want to say something for the very first time, lets read the
substantiating proof for your Big Claims!

Like... Could you explain why the fabled NA of A is only registered from
1993-1996? And why its *business* address is your parents house in Altona?

Come along Fraudster. Stump up.



alvey

[jonz]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 I thought so as well. So, here it is again!.

      "Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant
fuckwit if
he wanted to be"

--
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difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

[alvey]

Careful there Keith.
People who live near Glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.


alvey

[gutless@such.as.ordog.com James Last plays in Miami]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-

> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(

Always was, always will be.

[Xeno]

On 19/8/21 2:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>
> You're starting to catch on? :)
>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>
> Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
> midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
> need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.

Yes, that's how *you* and the FLCJC crew operate, no doubt at all.

>
> As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
> in a tree house.
>

What is inventing a complete life pretending to be in the automotive
industry - if not carrying on like a ten year old?

Any *mature and sane adult* would be aware that fine details like, for
example, trade qualifications, can be verified. You know, it's like that
'cause there's lots of *fakers* about.

BTW little fella, you got some sort of thing going with *wieners*?

[Xeno]

On 19/8/21 5:29 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:15:31 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>>
>>> 100% pure cop out
>>
>> You're starting to catch on? :)
>>
>>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>>
>>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>>
>>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>>
>> Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
>> midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
>> need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.
>
> Sounds like a childhood recollection from Der Der that does.

The *wieners* bit certainly does.

>>
>> As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
>> in a tree house.
>
> lol!
> You say many things many times Fraudster. Alas, frequency does not up their
> veracity from zero.

He'd do well as a propagandist for the CCP. Some of their lies are so
outlandish and obviously fraudulent yet still they push them

>
> Now, if you want to say something for the very first time, lets read the
> substantiating proof for your Big Claims!
>
> Like... Could you explain why the fabled NA of A is only registered from
> 1993-1996? And why its *business* address is your parents house in Altona?
>
> Come along Fraudster. Stump up.
>

Poor little fraudster, he's caught betwixt his alternate reality and the
real world. He should have remained in his alternate reality where he
can live out his fantasies to his heart's content. But no, he tried to
bring his fantasies into the real world - they don't work here!
>
>
> alvey

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 11:21 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 6:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in
>>> the war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans
>>> played in the war against Japan.
>>>
>>
>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>
> 100% pure cop out
>

100% fact.

>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>
>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>
> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>

No I understood what he meant. It pretty obvious from the context.

[Clocky]

Isn't it ever.

What a nutcase.

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 9:49 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>>
>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>
>>

>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most instrumental
>> in defeating the Germans.
>>
>

> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
> that particular conflict as did the Germans. Hence, by you logic, the
> Germans won that one!
>

Except the Germans lost. The Russians were most wasteful and reckless as
suffered massive losses but the fact that they accounted for 76% of
German military deaths had a huge impact on the outcome of the war.

[Clocky]

Absolutely, a very good point!

[Yosemite Sam]

Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday school
picnic!

[Yosemite Sam]

Zhukov had little regard for the number of casualties in pursuit of victory

[Yosemite Sam]

On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>> Always was, always will be.
>>
>
> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
> school picnic!
>
>

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/

[keithr0]

So who do I slavishly agree with? Do tell.

[keithr0]

One good thing about Hitler, he was the man who killed Hitler.

[keithr0]

On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>
>>
>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
>> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>> school picnic!
>>
>>
>
> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/

How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly them?
Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of Afghan funds
that the US is holding?

[Noddy]

On 19/08/2021 10:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
>>> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>>> school picnic!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/
>
>
> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly them?

All of them :)

> Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of Afghan funds
> that the US is holding?

I don't think they give a fuck to be honest. They earn plenty of money
in the black market/drug trade.

[Noddy]

He certainly was, but not soon enough sadly.

[Clocky]

Yep, he didn't give a fuck basically.

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 12:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>
>> Quite true,
>
> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
> wear a lot of the blame.
>

At the end of the day Hitler was in charge.

> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
> foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was too
> scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)
>
>

How do you know, were you there?

By accounts when Hitler woke up he wasn't in the least bit phased by the
news, apparently he was quite excited.

[Clocky]

Especially when they have glass jaw as well :-)

[Yosemite Sam]

that's putting it another way  :)

[Yosemite Sam]

yes,  because he expected victory

[Yosemite Sam]

not really, the allies didn't want Hitler killed. he was contributing
too much to the allied war effort.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 19/08/2021 10:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:

no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a good
look at them

[Peter Jason]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam <fe...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>
>the shithole is a shithole again.  :(

https://www.google.com/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&as_q=&as_epq=Xi+Jinping+in+Kabul&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&imgar=&imgc=&imgcolor=&imgtype=&cr=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

[alvey]

Lol!

One of the problems with being a micro pedant keith is that you leave
yourself open to revenge attacks, which then leads to all out war. These
serve no purpose.

See, the original 'quote' by Jesus at the stoning was (paraphrased), "let
he who is without sin cast the first stone". It was *not*, "let he who
hasn't committed adultery cast the first stone".

So you "slavishly agreeing" with anyone was *not* the sin(s) I was
suggesting. You got it wrong.

hth


alvey

[keithr0]

If you take the trouble to look what aircraft they are, it's very
doubtful that they would be interested. Clue - they aren't state of the
art jets.

[Noddy]

Yep. There is nothing that's been seized by the Taliban that has any
cutting edge technology that will interest foreign governments.

Felix has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, but then that's
nothing new....

[Xeno]

On 20/8/21 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/08/2021 8:23 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 20/08/2021 1:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly
>>>> them? Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of
>>>> Afghan funds that the US is holding?
>>>
>>>
>>> no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a
>>> good look at them
>>>
>> If you take the trouble to look what aircraft they are, it's very
>> doubtful that they would be interested. Clue - they aren't state of
>> the art jets.
>
> Yep. There is nothing that's been seized by the Taliban that has any
> cutting edge technology that will interest foreign governments.

What would you know, Googlemeister?

>
> Felix has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, but then that's
> nothing new....
>

That would be you when talking about in depth automotive stuff. All you
can do is parrot stuff you get from Google as if it is your own.

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 8:29 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:19:55 +1000, Noddy wrote:

>
>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>

>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>
> Hmmmm. Military history from a fool who falsely claimed that his father
> "fought in Korea". Pass.
>>
>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit if
>> he wanted to be :)
>
> "Seriously"? Look Darren, it is *fact*, not opinion that you are a
> monstrous liar, hypocrite and offensive little sociopath. That you expect
> anyone even half normal to take *anything* you say "seriously" is just
> another indication of how very distant you are from reality.
>
>
>
> alvey
>

Indeed.

[lindsay]

The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF C130
Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules MAMBO30 is
about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17 Globemasters in the air,
and on the ground. Been the most busy day at Kabul so far. Just heard on
7 news that the US has done some sort of deal to allow more people
access to the airport. God speed to all.

https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD

[gutless@such.as.ordog.com James Last plays in Miami]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:46:32 +1000, lindsay posted:-

Why not also post in aus.aviation? People there probably more
receptive to this sort of news.

[lindsay]

Not a fan of crossposting.... I'm on a new pc, and need to add
aus.avaition, and several other groups, when i get around to it..
Most of the sensible people who read aus.avaition would be looking at
the issue anyway... the wannabe's will make themslves known shortly.

Oh, and RNZAF's "ALBO5" was on the ground at Kabul for maybe 20
minutes... already 1/3 the way home, wherever that is...

[Daryl]

The US has also activated their "Civil Reserve Air Fleet" which means
that they will be using civilian aircraft and crews to ferry people to
their final destinations from where the military drop them such as Dubai
or Doha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16V7VjRmxBY

--
Daryl

[alvey]

If there wasn't a god they wouldn't be fleeing...



alvey
"There`s no religion - you did that
it helps to keep your little leaders fat" Ian Hunter

[alvey]

Uganda for some ex-Oz employees according to SBS news. Go ScoMo!



alvey

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 11:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:

>> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>>

>> The Americans didn't win WWII.
>
>
> but their contribution was more than significant. they keep Britain
> supplied during the darkest days of the war, despite the Kriegsmarines
> best efforts. they were a big part of the D-Day landings. the battle of
> Coral Sea broke the back of the Imperial Japanese navy, and taking the
> pacific Islands opened the gateway to Japan. and no less importantly the
> USA's massive manufacturing capability meant resupply of equipment
> losses was not a major issue. for example the enormous number of
> Shermans they poured into the war effort.
>
>

I don't disagree with any of that but there were many reasons why the
Germans were defeated in the end. The decisive reason was probably
Hitler himself (a point you made).

>>
>>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit
>>> if he wanted to be :)
>>>
>>
>

> I don't see what Alvey was trying to say, unless he confused the War of
> Independence with the Civil War
>
>
>> You're not doing so well yourself, fraud.
>
> when does he ever?
>
>

[Clocky]

On 19/08/2021 12:15 pm, Noddy wrote:

> On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>

> You're starting to catch on? :)

>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>

> Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
> midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
> need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.
>

Projection writ large. The evidence proves otherwise. Your only
non-enemies are those that never disagree, challenge or call you out on
your bullshit or challenge your "authority".

The minute they do they become the enemy.

> As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
> in a tree house.
>

An *adult* would strap his own kid into a seat belt that would give him
the best chance of survival in an accident.

You can't even *parent* properly you useless failure of a man.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>

according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!

[keithr0]

On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>
>
> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>

1) do they actually work?
2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

[Xeno]

On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>
> 1) do they actually work?

They have all been disabled before abandonment as well as all other
mobile equipment.

> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.

> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
Afghanistan. Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be
embargoed by the US so, nor repair.

[Daryl]

On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:

Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain them
would be the biggest problem.

--
Daryl

[Yosemite Sam]

On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>> do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> They have all been disabled before abandonment

says who?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/

> as well as all other mobile equipment.

nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045

plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
vision goggles, etc.,

>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>
> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.

yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban

>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
> Afghanistan.

whatever facilities were there are still there

> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
> US so, nor repair.
>

some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

[Noddy]

On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>
> 1) do they actually work?

I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it was
up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)

> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters" who
can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 2/09/2021 12:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>> do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it
> was up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)

that or destroy them with explosives

>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

yes. afghani military trained by the US who converted or are coerced by
threats

>
> You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
> them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

wrong

>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters"
> who can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.
>
>
>

the Taliban are a formidable enemy

[Xeno]

They have been *disabled* before they were abandoned. It might be more
than getting a few new parts depending on how the disablement was
carried out.

[Xeno]

On 2/9/21 12:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it was
> up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)
>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>
> You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
> them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

You're kidding, right? No one could be *that naive*?

>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters" who
> can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.

You're not kidding! You *are* that naive! How unsurprising.

A lot of Afghans have way more education than you were ever capable of
achieving! You couldn't even complete year 9 FFS.

[Sylvia Else]

On 18-Aug-21 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>

Unfortunately, the seeds for this were sown twenty years ago, when
corruption was allowed to take root. There were lessons about that
should have been learned from Vietnam, but which weren't.

Sylvia.

[Yosemite Sam]

On 2/09/2021 1:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 2/9/21 11:27 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than
>>>> we do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain
>> them would be the biggest problem.
>>
> They have been *disabled* before they were abandoned. It might be more
> than getting a few new parts depending on how the disablement was
> carried out.
>

obviously not all of them since there's videos of at least one flying

[Xeno]

On 2/9/21 12:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>>> do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>
>> They have all been disabled before abandonment
>
>
> says who?

Says the US.
>
> https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/
>
You need to be careful which media sources you watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJmDV1Qkpk0

I keep my media sources very broad spectrum, a necessary thing when
clowns like Murdoch control far too much of western media sources.

>
>
>> as well as all other mobile equipment.
>
>
> nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.

Yes but not the more high tech US stuff. That was stripped of high tech
equipment, then disabled. The Afghan stuff was relatively low tech, even
the Blackhawks they were given were stripped down somewhat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZRdmkSruo

>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
>
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045
>
> plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
> vision goggles, etc.,
>
>
>>
>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>
>> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.
>
>
> yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban
>

You will find that won't be entirely beneficial.

>
>>
>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
>> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
>> Afghanistan.
>
>
> whatever facilities were there are still there
>

All US facilities were stripped and the remainder pretty much destroyed

>
>> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
>> US so, nor repair.
>>
>
> some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

That will only take you so far. Some critical parts will not be available.

[keithr0]

On 2/09/2021 12:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>>> do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>
>> They have all been disabled before abandonment
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>
> says who?
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> https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/
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>> as well as all other mobile equipment.
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>
> nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.
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> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/
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> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
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> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045
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> plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
> vision goggles, etc.,

What exactly do you think that they are going to do with this stuff?

>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>
>> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.
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>
> yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban

To a certain extent, there won't be any top guns among them, and if they
do start annoying, US drones can certainly take them out any time.

>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
>> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
>> Afghanistan.
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>
> whatever facilities were there are still there

How many Blackhawk technicians do you think that they have?

>> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
>> US so, nor repair.
>>
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> some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

The Taliban are going to have enough trouble trying to run a country. By
the time that they have that sorted, most of the sophisticated equipment
will have degenerated beyond usefulness.

At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

[keithr0]

In their own territory, outside there, they'd be useless.

[keithr0]

It goes way back, the yanks supported the Mujahedin because they were
fighting the Russians. Partly because of their stupid belief that "Mine
enemys enemy is my friend" ignoring of course that your enemys enemy may
hate you as much as him, and partly to pay the Russians back for
supporting the North Vietnamese.

That brought Bin Lardin to prominence and we all know how that went.
George Bush went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Lardin and co, did
half a job, riled up the locals and pissed off to invade Iraq, thus
creating ISIS, and starting a civil war in Afghanistan. The Taliban knew
that the yanks would eventually get fed up with the fight and go home,
and voila we have the mess that eventuated.

[Xeno]

They certainly will have. Military equipment isn't like commercial
equipment. What's more, the Taliban are *broke*. They were expecting to
get hold of the Afghanistan central bank's money. Sorry, that's held in
the US and, guess what, they aren't getting it any time soon.

>
> At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
> biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
> they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

Winning a war is but half the battle, winning the peace will be much
harder. Most of the people who would be useful to the Taliban are
currently in the process of *fleeing* the Taliban.

[Xeno]

That might have been one left to the Afghan Airforce. It wouldn't have
been disabled, just stripped of *sensitive equipment*. Personally, I
wonder why the Afghan airforce pilots just didn't take off with the
blackhawk and any other *useful* hardware.

[Noddy]

On 2/09/2021 2:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 1:15 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 18-Aug-21 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the seeds for this were sown twenty years ago, when
>> corruption was allowed to take root. There were lessons about that
>> should have been learned from Vietnam, but which weren't.
>>
>> Sylvia
>
> It goes way back, the yanks supported the Mujahedin because they were
> fighting the Russians. Partly because of their stupid belief that "Mine
> enemys enemy is my friend" ignoring of course that your enemys enemy may
> hate you as much as him, and partly to pay the Russians back for
> supporting the North Vietnamese.

Which is what it was only ever about.

> That brought Bin Lardin to prominence and we all know how that went.
> George Bush went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Lardin and co, did
> half a job, riled up the locals and pissed off to invade Iraq, thus
> creating ISIS, and starting a civil war in Afghanistan. The Taliban knew
> that the yanks would eventually get fed up with the fight and go home,
> and voila we have the mess that eventuated.

There was never any other option.

It wouldn't have mattered how long the Americans were there or how good
or bad they were, the locals were *always* going to hate them and run
the place how they wanted to whenever they left.

Being there was the ultimate exercise in futility.

[Noddy]

On 2/09/2021 2:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 12:58 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> the Taliban are a formidable enemy

ROTFL :)

> In their own territory, outside there, they'd be useless.

Yep. They're a bunch of single digit IQ fucksticks who's only real
ability is to die for Allah.

[Noddy]

On 2/09/2021 1:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:

> The Taliban are going to have enough trouble trying to run a country. By
> the time that they have that sorted, most of the sophisticated equipment
> will have degenerated beyond usefulness.

That which isn't already.

> At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
> biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
> they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

Indeed.

The biggest threat the Taliban posses to anyone is to their own local
population. Outside of that, they're fucking hopeless.