Territory fuel pump replacement

[D Walford]

Woman who works for me just bought a 2007 Terri and says that the fuel
pump is noisy, she was quoted $700 to replace it.
A quick look on ebay finds pump price between $115 to $245 for genuine
so she is getting quoted about $450+ for labour which seems a bit steep.
I haven't replaced a Terri pump but I've done a few 90's Falcons and
they were easy and took less than an hour, I even bought the special
tool for undoing the pump retainer.
Is replacing a Terri pump much different to a Falcon?

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Daryl

[Clocky]

I haven't done one but I think you have to drop the tank which can't be
that hard. I made up my own adjustable tool for removing the round
ribbed plastic retainers found on newer cars. Not sure if the Territory
has that type though.

Are they quoting a pump replacement or the whole fuel pump and sender as
a complete unit which would certainly account for the extra cost (but in
parts, not labour)? Their quote should include a fuel filter too.

In any case, assuming the guage is working OK only the pump and filter
replacement is required, and she should get a second quote ;-)

[D Walford]

Thanks, I will suggest a second quote, $700 seems way too high.

--
Daryl

[Noddy]

Slightly.

Same type of pump and location in the tank as a regular Falcon but they
don't have the boot floor access panel as a regular Falcon. On the Terry
the tank is in a different location with no access from above, so it
needs to be drained and lowered so you can access the top mounted
pump/sender fitting.

The tank doesn't need to be completely removed, but it needs to be
lowered a fair way to get access to the top cover.





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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 04/09/15 1:47 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Thanks, I will suggest a second quote, $700 seems way too high.

It's probably not excessively high given the work involved compared to a
regular Falcon pump, but it's not cheap.

[D Walford]

Sounds like a dumb idea knowing how easy it was to replace a Falcon fuel
pump.
I thought that it was odd that the pump was noisy but the car still ran
properly, the ones I've replaced have just stopped working and there was
no noise to indicate they might be failing.
I wondered if a clogged filter might be making the pump work harder than
it should?


--
Daryl

[Paul Saccani]

You have to drop the tank and should change the filter. It's at least
two hours labour, all told, most charge three hours.

This reminds me;

Last month I did "clean up" on a fuel pump change by a BMW dealer.
They charged an even $500 each for the labour and the pump/gauge
assembly, which is easily accessed under the back seat. So a $1,000 -
and it failed after 30 kms, the first time the chap went to start it
after parking it. For some reason, he didn't want to send it back to
them to sort out. ;) Anyway, it's an almost identical VDO unit to
the one in the territory. It was the filter that stuffed this new
one.

Just a tip for anyone working on BMWs, unlike the Territory tank, they
often have tanks with a substantial saddle in them which keeps about a
quarter of the fuel away from the pump. They rely on siphon pumping
with the fuel return to get the fuel over the hump to the fuel pump.
With a clogged filter, there isn't much return fuel, so whilst the
gauge is reading a quarter or more, the pump itself may only be
dealing with dregs on its side of the tank, plus working hard against
the clogged filter, so that instead of getting a generous cooling flow
of fuel and being immersed in cooling fuel, it gets little fuel,
overheats and dies. In this case, after 30 kms at a little over a 1/4
tank!

With the "no start", he told me "the one thing it can't be is the fuel
pump". ;)

Whilst the Territory doesn't have the saddle tank issue, it is
likewise vulnerable to an early fuel pump death with a clogged filter
and low fuel levels.
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Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.

[Noddy]

On 04/09/15 5:10 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Sounds like a dumb idea knowing how easy it was to replace a Falcon fuel
> pump.

Yeah, it's the tank location that causes the problem. The car doesn't
have enough rear overhang to fit the tank behind the rear axle like a
sedan, so it lives under the floor in front of the rear axle instead,
and in this position there isn't really room for a "service panel" above
it like there is in the boot of the sedans.

> I thought that it was odd that the pump was noisy but the car still ran
> properly, the ones I've replaced have just stopped working and there was
> no noise to indicate they might be failing.

They get grumbly sometimes when they're nearing the end of their lives.

> I wondered if a clogged filter might be making the pump work harder than
> it should?

Possibly but you won't know until it's out, and you'd hate to go to the
trouble of doing so only to find out that wasn't the problem.

[D Walford]

On 04-Sep-15 6:34 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 04/09/15 5:10 PM, D Walford wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a dumb idea knowing how easy it was to replace a Falcon fuel
>> pump.
>
> Yeah, it's the tank location that causes the problem. The car doesn't
> have enough rear overhang to fit the tank behind the rear axle like a
> sedan, so it lives under the floor in front of the rear axle instead,
> and in this position there isn't really room for a "service panel" above
> it like there is in the boot of the sedans.

Maybe they intended to try and sell them in the US where the tanks have
to be forward of the rear axle.



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Daryl

[bru...@topmail.co.nz]

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 5:34:20 PM UTC+8, D Walford wrote:
>
> Maybe they intended to try and sell them in the US where the tanks have
> to be forward of the rear axle.
>
>

Doubt the cost of LHD conversion would be worth it. They did export it to
South Africa until the Aussie dollar went through the roof, and a few to
Thailand, where it got doubled in price by bogus taxes.

[Noddy]

On 04/09/15 7:34 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Maybe they intended to try and sell them in the US where the tanks have
> to be forward of the rear axle.

Dunno, but the shape of the rear "boot" floor didn't lend itself well to
locating a petrol tank, and it was also quite shallow to allow for a
fold up third row of seats.

[D Walford]

On 04-Sep-15 8:40 PM, bru...@topmail.co.nz wrote:
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 5:34:20 PM UTC+8, D Walford wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they intended to try and sell them in the US where the tanks have
>> to be forward of the rear axle.
>>
>>
> Doubt the cost of LHD conversion would be worth it.

Would of been if they sold enough of them but I doubt the yanks would
import them from here, most likely just use the design and build then in
the US.

They did export it to
> South Africa until the Aussie dollar went through the roof, and a few to
> Thailand, where it got doubled in price by bogus taxes.
>

Same as the way many imported cars here have inflated prices although it
isn't as bad as it used to be, it will be interesting to see what
happens to car prices when local production ends.

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Daryl

[pedro]

On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 15:12:52 +0800, Paul Saccani <sac...@omen.net.au>
wrote:

>Just a tip for anyone working on BMWs, unlike the Territory tank, they
>often have tanks with a substantial saddle in them which keeps about a
>quarter of the fuel away from the pump.

As do the Subaru Foresters ...

[miker...@gmail.com]

Does a 2011 Ford Territory 2.7 Ltr Diesel have a Drain out let on the Fuel Tank and is it a Plastic Tank ie; I have put Petrol instead of Diesel into Tank but have not started the car after I realised what I did. Mike

[Clocky]

Plastic and no from memory, but check youtube for ideas on going about
draining the tank. Dropping it and/or using a pump are two options.