Silvia 0-100 times
Hombre
fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
(seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
If I want a fast (0-100) car for minimal outlay, is the Silvia the way
to go? What are the alternatives?
What 0-100 times can I realistically expect from a Silvia?
Thanks,
Hombre
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Chris G
Hombre wrote in message <8adbi4$4sr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I am looking for a second car and have been impressed by claims of very
>fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
>(seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
>WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
>
>If I want a fast (0-100) car for minimal outlay, is the Silvia the way
>to go?
Shit yes :-)
>What are the alternatives?
>
>What 0-100 times can I realistically expect from a Silvia?
0-100 is in the low 6s with one person, mid 6s with 2ppl. The qtr mile is
mid 14s. There's plenty you can then do to them to get them faster.
Chris
Chris G
Hombre wrote in message <8adbi4$4sr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I am looking for a second car and have been impressed by claims of very
>fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
>(seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
>WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
>
>If I want a fast (0-100) car for minimal outlay, is the Silvia the way
>
>What 0-100 times can I realistically expect from a Silvia?
Ooops... those numbers were for mine... which is the 2L turbo 5 spd. Spend
a few extra grand and go the 2L, as they're not only quicker, but they are a
bit newer too.
The 1.8L turbo does 0-100 in low 7s and the qtr mile in around 15 flat.
Samuli Lantiainen
1.8l did 0-100km/h in 7.05sec and quarter mile 15.08seconds compared to the
NA 1.8l which did 0-100 in 9.8 seconds and 400m in 17.2 seconds. The turbo
2.0l did 0-100 in 6.18 seconds and 400m in 14.30seconds compared to NA which
did 0-100 in 8.6 and 400m in 16 seconds
Hombre <homb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am looking for a second car and have been impressed by claims of very
> fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
> (seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
> WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
>
> If I want a fast (0-100) car for minimal outlay, is the Silvia the way
> to go? What are the alternatives?
>
> What 0-100 times can I realistically expect from a Silvia?
>
Andrew
5speed Silvia. If you can find one of these then you will find they
do go very fast. You can't really compare them to a wrx though
as that's a totally different concept.
The Silvia doesn't have much race history was was basically
designed as a cheap sports car more for people who wanted
to *look* like they had a sports car. Thus most of them were
automatic and/or non turbo and/or 1.8L. The suspension
is not brilliant and more suited to going in a straight line
than corners and the brakes are suited to low rather than
high speed stops. In the wet they can be very "taily" and
even dangerous for inexperienced drivers.
Like any car the braking and handling can be much improved
with good tyres, well setup/tweaked suspension and a good
*driver*. Brakes can also be similarly upgraded.
As you have stated you simply want a car that goes very fast
0-100 then I think the Silvia (2LT 5Speed) would make
an excellent choice. It is also fairly economical and cheap to
register as its a 4cyl and it does have a reputation for "toughness"
I guess the down side would be that insurance is expensive/hard
and parts and servicing can also be a problem. Dealers will tell
you that its not a problem blar blar but you have to be prepared
for the fact that a lot of them don't want to know you when you
*do* need parts and service later on down the track. You have
to be prepared to stuff around and/or wait if something happens.
Resale value is also a real ????.
If looks and styling is important to you then I would be looking
at the 180SX variant. These are all turbo and look great - They
also are a lot less common and I would presume they would have
much better resale. They also tend to have a lot of extra's.
There are plenty of people who have had no problems with their
import cars and on the other hand there are probably just as many
people who have been burnt.
Like with anything they have their good and bad point's. Its upto
you to decide whats most important to you.
Be sure to have a look at the 180sx and also aust delivered S14 (200SX)
though before you make a decsion.
Andrew
Evans Lui
around but they do provide loads of fun - especially in the wet. I was
surprised how easily to provoke one of these to oversteer when I had a
drive in my friend's the other day and that oversteering was quite
controllable but fun! Rated 10/10 on the fun factor scale =)
Note: S13/PS13 are quite a popular car for illegal racing in japan despite
they are slow off the line but they do catch up to their newer brothers
(SR20DET/CA18 with a hair dryer) and have them a lot cheaper.
Also something you should take note of : these cars are pretty cheap in
Japan Yen $130,000 to around $200,000 which is roughly $1990-$2800. Add
$800-1000 for transportation cost, add 49.x% to the $2000-2800 for duty and
tax then plus $5-6000 for compliance. Roughly $11,000 AUD for one of these
if you're willing to do some work yourself but yes, they don't carry a
warranty like most other cars do.
Regards,
Evans
Gavin Cato
people
> under 25, so dealers are basically telling you to take a hike if you're
> after a turbo import. In the last couple of months I haven't heard of
> anyone get insurance for an imported turbo under 25.
I'm 22 and managed it ok, $2600 (ouch!)
That's a 92 180sx sr20det manual
cheers,
Gavin
Gavin Cato
> fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
> (seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
> WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
I was absolutely positive that I was going to buy a WRX, however a guy I
know bought a 2litre manual 180SX and I was so impressed by it (the
handling, speed, general look of the car etc..) that I ended up buying one
myself (a decision I don't regret thus far)
(The 180SX is like the silvia just a slightly different body)
The "FAST" Silvia/180SX (collectively known as S13) is the 2litre (SR20DET
powerplant) 5 speed manual.
Finding one of these babies is quite tricky (I was lucky with mine), as the
majority are automatics. It is definitely worth while though looking the
extra mile though to find the magic combination of SR20DET + 5speed. As a
last resort you could buy a 2litre turbo automatic (reasonably common) then
have a manual conversion performed on it (roughly $1400-$1600 I believe)
The 2litre turbo's run 0-100 in low 6's, and are very easily modifiable to
give much greater power which will have it doing 1/4 miles in the 13 second
bracket without too huge a cash outlay.
I've got some info about my car which you might find interesting at ;
It has some stats about the car and some good pictures to give you a idea.
If you are located in sydney I can put you in touch with the guy who I got
my car off (I had my car imported from Japan via him)
Drop me a email if you have any queries.
cheers & best of luck, they are fantastic cars.
Gav;
Gavin Cato
people
> under 25, so dealers are basically telling you to take a hike if you're
> after a turbo import. In the last couple of months I haven't heard of
> anyone get insurance for an imported turbo under 25.
Insurance is hard ; although there are 2 places I know off that are OK with
under 25's
The first is "Insurance Brokers Australia"
the end is "Young and Cool" (http://www.youngandcool.com.au)
Insurance for me on my sr20det 5sp 180SX is roughly 2.5k & I'm 22 in 2
weeks.
Still a bloody rip-off though :(
Chris G
Gavin Cato wrote in message ...
Yes, I have mine with Fortrons for $1200 (21yo rating 2, sr20det 5spd
Silvia) but they don't seem to be taking new customers in our bracket :(
Chris
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Chris G
Evans Lui wrote in message <38CAD571...@ozemail.com.au>...
>
>Note: S13/PS13 are quite a popular car for illegal racing in japan despite
>they are slow off the line but they do catch up to their newer brothers
>(SR20DET/CA18 with a hair dryer) and have them a lot cheaper.
I've always found it the other way. 1st gear is pretty equal, and then 2nd
and 3rd is where the 2L pulls away.
Chris
Phil L
> Ooops... those numbers were for mine... which is the 2L turbo 5 spd. Spend
> a few extra grand and go the 2L, as they're not only quicker, but they are a
> bit newer too.
>
> The 1.8L turbo does 0-100 in low 7s and the qtr mile in around 15 flat.
>
I've seen a CA18DET run a 14.2 quarter..... With the stock tyres on it....
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the
> silvia... prob because hardly any(i think ive seen a few?) were made in
non
> turbo.
All 180SX's are turbocharged, the only S13 that has the option of a
non-turbo engine is the Silvia.
cheers,
Gav
Samuli Lantiainen
Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in speed,
he also says calais is faster...
He doesn't know shit about cars.... total dick head
Gavin Cato <ga...@optus.net.au> wrote in message
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Rob
Gavin Cato <ga...@optus.net.au> wrote in message
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> > I am looking for a second car and have been impressed by claims of very
> > fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
> > (seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
> > WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
>
> I was absolutely positive that I was going to buy a WRX, however a guy I
> know bought a 2litre manual 180SX and I was so impressed by it (the
> handling, speed, general look of the car etc..) that I ended up buying one
> myself (a decision I don't regret thus far)
>
> (The 180SX is like the silvia just a slightly different body)
>
> The "FAST" Silvia/180SX (collectively known as S13) is the 2litre (SR20DET
> powerplant) 5 speed manual.
the manual 180sx's seem to be a lot easier to find in manual turbo than the
silvia... prob because hardly any(i think ive seen a few?) were made in non
turbo.
>
Rob
What do you think of the 1.8 det for 12grand at :
http://www.japanesemotorsport.com.au/performance_cars.htm
I want the cosmo with the 20b!
rob
Gavin Cato <ga...@optus.net.au.nospam4ever> wrote in message
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> > the manual 180sx's seem to be a lot easier to find in manual turbo than
> the
> > silvia... prob because hardly any(i think ive seen a few?) were made in
> non
> > turbo.
>
daniel...@my-deja.com
engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think so. It has
features that the 2L (Red) does not have. Apparently (i might be wrong)
the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the 2L which
was cheaper to build.
I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the 2L and
they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it had
faster times too. You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get but thats
not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of power these
4cycl eng do). I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in the end
(not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler and a
bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks better.
Better as in 'sporty'. The Silvia is sedan looking. I think it's
boring. I see lot more Silvia's around though. Fuck even the name
sucks. Would ya like to have a blind date with a woman called 'Silvia'?
You'll think she's ugly before ya even met her...hehe sorry.
But still they are popular and they do win meets.
Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
In article <38cc57c0$0$19...@motown.iinet.net.au>,
Forg
...
> You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
> 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
Lag?
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as in *some* ways the CA18 is better.
At the end of the day however the 2L is always
has that 10% or so more power across the rev range.
Sure you can do mods to get more power out of
a CA18 but do the same to the 2L and it always
ends up roughly that same percentage in front.
And like you suggested you get lag by putting
the bigger turbo on the 1.8 but you would
get good top end (but still less than the 2L).
Put the small turbo on the 2L and it you would get bags
of low down grunt and excellent throttle response
but it would restrict mid-top end.
The 1.8 win's at the bowser ;)
Andrew
Chris G
Phil L wrote in message <38CB3C7F...@ii.net>...
>Chris G wrote:
>
>> Ooops... those numbers were for mine... which is the 2L turbo 5 spd.
Spend
>> a few extra grand and go the 2L, as they're not only quicker, but they
are a
>> bit newer too.
>>
>> The 1.8L turbo does 0-100 in low 7s and the qtr mile in around 15 flat.
>>
>
>I've seen a CA18DET run a 14.2 quarter..... With the stock tyres on it....
Okay well it's either very modified, the boost is nasty, it's racing on a
slope, or it's excessively cold. I've raced a stock 1.8L turbo and blew it
away. I've raced a 180sx 1.8L turbo with 12psi and it was even in 1st gear,
and then I pulled away at the end of 2nd gear, and about two car lengths
(from my nose) in third.
My car (2L turbo 5 spd) ran 14.7 with 2 ppl, but does about mid 14s with
just me in it. I've got an air filter now, but that probably only shaves a
tenth or two off.
No normal 1.8L turbo does that kind of time.
Chris
Chris G
daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ai9m5$db2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's a better
>engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think so. It has
>features that the 2L (Red) does not have.
Like?
Here's some things the 1.8L cars do not have:
As big a gearbox
As big a diff
As big brake discs or calipers
A BOV (feeds back to airbox)
Quad throttle bodies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can just seem em.
> Apparently (i might be wrong)
>the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the 2L which
>was cheaper to build.
True.
>I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the 2L and
>they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it had
>faster times too.
In first gear it keeps with the 2L. But that's it. It does not have faster
times unless you can mount it on a scooter :)
> You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
>turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
>20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
It still has less torque.
>I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get but thats
>not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of power these
>4cycl eng do). I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in the end
>(not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler and a
>bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
The 2L will pull away in 2nd, heaps in 3rd, and well... 4th is getting to be
crazy speeds on highways so I haven't really raced properly against a 1.8L
above 160kph.
There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have been built up
to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power applications so I
can't see the relevance.
>
>When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks better.
>Better as in 'sporty'. The Silvia is sedan looking. I think it's
>boring. I see lot more Silvia's around though. Fuck even the name
>sucks. Would ya like to have a blind date with a woman called 'Silvia'?
>You'll think she's ugly before ya even met her...hehe sorry.
>But still they are popular and they do win meets.
Oh so it's down to dirty insults eh!! ;-) Well I think the 180sx has as
much style as wooden clogs. The arse lights look to roundy compared to the
rest of the car's appearance, and the 1.8L noses are bad news. They're all
jagged, unlike the 2L 180sx noses which are pretty sweet looking. Oh and
they're crud sloped roof disallows trendy electric sunroof :-) The Silvia
(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a nicer butt on
it :) Especially those straight line thin rear lights.
No pop ups though =(
>
>Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
Yep!
Chris
>
Brad
In article <38cd...@news.iprimus.com.au>, "Chris G"
<ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
>
>daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ai9m5$db2
$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's
a better
>>engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think
so. It has
>>features that the 2L (Red) does not have.
>
>Like?
Variable length inlet runners.......
>
>Here's some things the 1.8L cars do not have:
>
>As big a gearbox
true..
>As big a diff
I thought they both used an R200 diff.....
>As big brake discs or calipers
annoyingly true :)
>A BOV (feeds back to airbox)
Don't bother me none.....a $50 bosch type does te job pretty
easily once you plumb it in......
>
>Quad throttle bodies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can
just seem em.
I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
its extra power....
>
>> Apparently (i might be wrong)
>>the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the
2L which
>>was cheaper to build.
>
>True.
>
>>I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the
2L and
>>they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it
had
>>faster times too.
>
>In first gear it keeps with the 2L. But that's it. It does
not have faster
>times unless you can mount it on a scooter :)
The CA18 just feels faster because the rush is much less linear
than the SR20, but yeah, in the end the SR20 has it....
>
>> You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
>>turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger.
Hence the
>>20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
>
>It still has less torque.
True, but more than a normal T25....not that it makes any
difference when comparing it to an SR20.....
>
>>I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get
but thats
>>not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of
power these
>>4cycl eng do). I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in
the end
>>(not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler
and a
>>bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
Good solid mods - what exhaust is on it?
>
>The 2L will pull away in 2nd, heaps in 3rd, and well... 4th is
getting to be
>crazy speeds on highways so I haven't really raced properly
against a 1.8L
>above 160kph.
The SR20 will kick its arse - the CA18 is at about 5500rpm at
180 in 4th but once you get above around 4800rpm the CA18 feels
choked by its small turbo and pissy standard exhaust....although
I've only ever driven an SR20 in normal traffic conditions
>
>There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
>applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have
been built up
>to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power
applications so I
>can't see the relevance.
The CA18 block is bloody strong for the type of engine it is,
but the SR20 is a shitload stronger.
>
>>
>>When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks
better.
>>Better as in 'sporty'. The Silvia is sedan looking. I think
it's
>>boring. I see lot more Silvia's around though. Fuck even the
name
>>sucks. Would ya like to have a blind date with a woman
called 'Silvia'?
>>You'll think she's ugly before ya even met her...hehe sorry.
>>But still they are popular and they do win meets.
People are quick to hang shit on silvias because of the name,
but after they have their arses whipped they get a little bit
more respect ;)
The early 180s aren't really attractive to me so I prefer the
silvia shape in the CA powered cars, but I'm rather partial to
the SR 180s - I like the nose much more.
>
>Oh so it's down to dirty insults eh!! ;-) Well I think the
180sx has as
>much style as wooden clogs. The arse lights look to roundy
compared to the
>rest of the car's appearance, and the 1.8L noses are bad news.
They're all
>jagged, unlike the 2L 180sx noses which are pretty sweet
looking. Oh and
>they're crud sloped roof disallows trendy electric sunroof :-)
God, 180 sunroofs are dodgy, aren't they?
> The Silvia
>(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
nicer butt on
>it :)
Avoid the light moss-green and the dodgy off white ones! Argh,
they make me feel ill...
>Especially those straight line thin rear lights.
>
>No pop ups though =(
>
>>
>>Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
>
>Yep!
Damn straight!
>
>Chris
>
Brad
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Gavin Cato
> I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's a better
> engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think so. It has
> the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the 2L which
> was cheaper to build.
Is your mechanic a good mechanic?
> I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the 2L and
> they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it had
This is because smaller turbo's spool up faster. Compare the powerband on
the sr20det between 3000-7500rpm and you will see a much stronger curve.
> faster times too.
NOT faster times.
> You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
> 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
As Forg said, you would get some lag. Probably more noticeable lag than the
T28 on the sr20det
> I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get but thats
The 1.8 is a excellent engine, but at the end of the day the sr20det is also
a _extremely_ capable engine and will always have that bit of extra power
and torque.
The 2litre times are indicative of this compared to the 1.8
> not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of power these
> 4cycl eng do).
And likewise, these 4 cylinders don't produce anywhere near the amount of
torque that these v8's do.
> I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in the end
> (not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler and a
> bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
A bigger turbo than the t28 on the ca18det? You'd better get prepared for
some serious turbo lag.
> When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks better.
I'd agree there, but the silvia ain't that ugly.
cheers,
Gav
daniel...@my-deja.com
fo...@zip.com.au wrote:
> daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> ...
> > You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> > turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence
the
> > 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
>
> Lag?
>
> --
> Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
>
> "Flamin' heck; another Volvo Driver!"
>
> "...
> Another Turnip Boy;
> A Forg stuck in the road
> ..."
> [Greenday]
Yeh more lag depending on the turbo design/type. I don't think the
t28's are ball bearing. The new garrot ball bearing turbo is bigger
than the t28 and probably spools up faster and earlier.
To get that performance comes a big price tag which some people are
willing to spend.
If lag really bothers people then pay double the price, double the
problems and go supercharge.
daniel...@my-deja.com
"Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
>
> daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ai9m5$db2
> >I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's a
better
> >engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think so. It
has
> >features that the 2L (Red) does not have.
>
>
> Here's some things the 1.8L cars do not have:
>
> As big a gearbox
> As big a diff
>
em
I was trying to compare the engine features. If ya want specifics I'll
get em. A true car buff will modify:
As big a gearbox - (went from auto to manual (bigger?? gear box size is
the same), custom made clutch and lightened fly wheel).
As big a diff -
(diff in 2L silvia sucks,slower accerlation off the lights. The one in
the 1.8L is great for dragging. I don't care about top end speed cos I
don't want to kill myself. I want accerlation up to 100kms. It's worth
sacrificing 20kph off the the top end. Try getting on a racer bicycle
and take of in hard gear. I get confused here sometimes but I think the
2L has a 3.8 and the 1.8L has a 4.1. Or it's the another way round.
Blah!
As big brake discs or calipers - (are you kidding? not even the 2L
brakes are bigger enough. I will put on skyline or 300ZX breaks on
mine).
A BOV - 2L standard BOV don't make the sneeze sound does it? If thats
the case, that will have to be changed too.
Quad throttle bodies? - um thats on the GT-R engine. Where the heck did
this come in? I know a guy who wanted to put that on his 2L but I don't
think it can be done. Oh grab a VL throttle body if you mod this too
for extra air flow.
The list of mods doesn't end here...
Doesn't matter which you buy, gets modified anyway if you want serious
performance.
.
>
> > Apparently (i might be wrong)
> >the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the 2L which
> >was cheaper to build.
>
> True.
>
> >I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the 2L and
> >they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it had
> >faster times too.
>
> In first gear it keeps with the 2L. But that's it. It does not have
faster
> times unless you can mount it on a scooter :)
>
> > You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> >turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence
the
> >20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
>
> It still has less torque.
>
> >I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get but
thats
> >not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of power
these
> >4cycl eng do). I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in the end
> >(not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler and a
> >bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
>
> The 2L will pull away in 2nd, heaps in 3rd, and well... 4th is
getting to be
> crazy speeds on highways so I haven't really raced properly against a
1.8L
> above 160kph.
You haven't?? Well your only 20kph from the speed cut unless it's been
disconnected.
>
> There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
> applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have been
built up
> to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power applications
so I
> can't see the relevance.
Well if I some extra cash lying around, I'll do the heads and make the
1.8 into a 2L.
>
> >
> >When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks better.
> >Better as in 'sporty'. The Silvia is sedan looking. I think it's
> >boring. I see lot more Silvia's around though. Fuck even the name
> >sucks. Would ya like to have a blind date with a woman
called 'Silvia'?
> >You'll think she's ugly before ya even met her...hehe sorry.
> >But still they are popular and they do win meets.
>
> Oh so it's down to dirty insults eh!! ;-) Well I think the 180sx has
as
> much style as wooden clogs. The arse lights look to roundy compared
to the
> rest of the car's appearance, and the 1.8L noses are bad news.
They're all
> jagged, unlike the 2L 180sx noses which are pretty sweet looking. Oh
and
> they're crud sloped roof disallows trendy electric sunroof :-) The
Silvia
> (one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a nicer
butt on
> it :) Especially those straight line thin rear lights.
Ahh fuck ya. The silvia looks meaner. Thats all I'll give ya.
>
> No pop ups though =(
>
> >
> >Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
>
> Yep!
>
> Chris
daniel...@my-deja.com
"Gavin Cato" <ga...@optus.net.au.nospam4ever> wrote:
> ...
> > I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's a
better
> > engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think so. It
has
wrong)
> > the 1.8 became too expensive to build so they bought out the 2L
which
> > was cheaper to build.
>
nissan engines.
>
> > I've read in a mag article where they compared the 1.8L to the 2L
and
> > they said the power comes on stronger/faster in the 1.8 and it had
>
powerband on
> the sr20det between 3000-7500rpm and you will see a much stronger
curve.
>
> > faster times too.
>
> NOT faster times.
>
> > You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> > turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence
the
> > 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
>
than the
> T28 on the sr20det
Both these turbos are old.
>
> > I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get but
thats
>
is also
> a _extremely_ capable engine and will always have that bit of extra
power
> and torque.
>
> The 2litre times are indicative of this compared to the 1.8
>
these
> > 4cycl eng do).
>
amount of
> torque that these v8's do.
>
> > I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in the end
> > (not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler and a
> > bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
>
for
> some serious turbo lag.
Ball bearing / ceramic turbo's spool up faster and earlier. The t25's
and t28's don't have this feature (i think). Thats how I'm getting
around this problem. Well I ain't paying 2k to get bad results. I shall
see.
>
> > When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks better.
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Gav
>
> http://come.to/180sx
daniel...@my-deja.com
>
> cheers,
>
> Gav
>
> http://come.to/180sx
>
Cool site. Nice 180SX. Same colour as mine. I have no sun roof
though. :o(
Front of yours looks like the older kit rather than the ones on the
1993 models.
Funny rice boy comments.
Phil L
> daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> ...
> > You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> > turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
> > 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
> ...
>
> Lag?
>
a sub 14 second quarter?
:-)
>
> --
> Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
>
> "Flamin' heck; another Volvo Driver!"
>
> "...
> Another Turnip Boy;
> A Forg stuck in the road
> ..."
> [Greenday]
Phil L
> Phil L wrote in message <38CB3C7F...@ii.net>...
> >Chris G wrote:
> >
> >> Ooops... those numbers were for mine... which is the 2L turbo 5 spd.
> Spend
> >> a few extra grand and go the 2L, as they're not only quicker, but they
> are a
> >> bit newer too.
> >>
> >> The 1.8L turbo does 0-100 in low 7s and the qtr mile in around 15 flat.
> >>
> >
> >I've seen a CA18DET run a 14.2 quarter..... With the stock tyres on it....
>
> Okay well it's either very modified, the boost is nasty, it's racing on a
> slope, or it's excessively cold. I've raced a stock 1.8L turbo and blew it
> away. I've raced a 180sx 1.8L turbo with 12psi and it was even in 1st gear,
> and then I pulled away at the end of 2nd gear, and about two car lengths
> (from my nose) in third.
>
> My car (2L turbo 5 spd) ran 14.7 with 2 ppl, but does about mid 14s with
> just me in it. I've got an air filter now, but that probably only shaves a
> tenth or two off.
>
> No normal 1.8L turbo does that kind of time.
>
> Chris
>
My mistake....
The car was initailly a NA 5speed, with all the goodies, except the turbo.....
We got hold of a CA18DET, put on a T28 straight off a SR20DET, put on an
intercooler, and burnt a new chip for it....
Suspension, tyres, everything else was stock.... (Oh, and the clutch was a
little harder than normal)
Forg
>
> Forg wrote:
>
> > daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > ...
> > > You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
> > > turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger. Hence the
> > > 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
> > ...
> >
> > Lag?
> >
>
> a sub 14 second quarter?
As long as you've had a good ten seconds to spool-up beforehand ... :-)
TimR
> this come in? I know a guy who wanted to put that on his 2L but I don't
> think it can be done. Oh grab a VL throttle body if you mod this too
> for extra air flow.
Three Words:
N13 Pulsar GTiR.
Had a East-West SR20DET with quad throttle bodies. ~174kW.
Pretty sure they are a straight bolt-on job.
Regards,
TimR
Chris G
Brad wrote in message <2074c098...@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>...
>This is the longest I've ever stayed out of an S13 thread......
Resistance is futile :)
>>In article <38cd...@news.iprimus.com.au>, "Chris G"
><ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ai9m5$db2
>$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>>I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's
>a better
>>>engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think
>so. It has
>>>features that the 2L (Red) does not have.
>>
>>Like?
>
>Variable length inlet runners.......
What's their benefit? (I have no idea what they are).
>
>
>>
>>Here's some things the 1.8L cars do not have:
>>
>>As big a gearbox
>
>true..
>
>>As big a diff
>
>I thought they both used an R200 diff.....
I've read the CA18 have an R200 diff. I've read the SR20 use something
bigger (and I just found it again on here:
http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/sneezy/180sx/ ).
>
>>As big brake discs or calipers
>
>annoyingly true :)
>
>>A BOV (feeds back to airbox)
>
>Don't bother me none.....a $50 bosch type does te job pretty
>easily once you plumb it in......
True, you can upgrade everything the CA18 doesn't have and then there's no
difference apart from the engine and turbo size. Getting it all at the
beginning is easier though :-)
>
>>
>>Quad throttle bodies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can
>just seem em.
>
>I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
>I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
>its extra power....
That's what I once thought after reading about GTiRs, but then someone was
looking under my hood and pointed them out. There's a picture of an engine
bay at that site above too. The guy who pointed them out said they were the
four things to the left of the red rocker cover. The CA18 engine bay has a
solid throttle body in that place in the pic above. Have a look at them (if
you know what to look for - I'm just going on what I was told).
>>
>>In first gear it keeps with the 2L. But that's it. It does
>not have faster
>>times unless you can mount it on a scooter :)
>
>The CA18 just feels faster because the rush is much less linear
>than the SR20, but yeah, in the end the SR20 has it....
>
>>> You have to remember that the 1.8 has a t25 (small)
>>>turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger.
>Hence the
>>>20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
>>
>>It still has less torque.
>
>True, but more than a normal T25....not that it makes any
>difference when comparing it to an SR20.....
>
>>
>>>I thought bigger was better when I was deciding which to get
>but thats
>>>not the way to think (most v8's don't produce the amount of
>power these
>>>4cycl eng do). I nearly bought a 2L and I'm glad I didn't in
>the end
>>>(not saying the 2L is bad). I'm putting on a supra intercooler
>and a
>>>bigger turbo than than the t28 on mine.
>
>Good solid mods - what exhaust is on it?
>
>>
>>The 2L will pull away in 2nd, heaps in 3rd, and well... 4th is
>getting to be
>>crazy speeds on highways so I haven't really raced properly
>against a 1.8L
>>above 160kph.
>
>The SR20 will kick its arse - the CA18 is at about 5500rpm at
>180 in 4th but once you get above around 4800rpm the CA18 feels
>choked by its small turbo and pissy standard exhaust....although
>I've only ever driven an SR20 in normal traffic conditions
The CA18 revs a lot higher than the SR, but I think at 180kph, the SR is
just past 6000rpms.
>
>>
>>There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
>>applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have
>been built up
>>to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power
>applications so I
>>can't see the relevance.
>
>The CA18 block is bloody strong for the type of engine it is,
>but the SR20 is a shitload stronger.
I thought that the reason it cost Nissan so much was because it was made
tougher? (The CA that is).
>
>>
>>>
>>>When it comes to looks I personally think the 180SX looks
>better.
>>>Better as in 'sporty'. The Silvia is sedan looking. I think
>it's
>>>boring. I see lot more Silvia's around though. Fuck even the
>name
>>>sucks. Would ya like to have a blind date with a woman
>called 'Silvia'?
>>>You'll think she's ugly before ya even met her...hehe sorry.
>>>But still they are popular and they do win meets.
>
>People are quick to hang shit on silvias because of the name,
>but after they have their arses whipped they get a little bit
>more respect ;)
>The early 180s aren't really attractive to me so I prefer the
>silvia shape in the CA powered cars, but I'm rather partial to
>the SR 180s - I like the nose much more.
Yes, the 2L noses are nice and smoothed.
>
>>
>>Oh so it's down to dirty insults eh!! ;-) Well I think the
>180sx has as
>>much style as wooden clogs. The arse lights look to roundy
>compared to the
>>rest of the car's appearance, and the 1.8L noses are bad news.
>They're all
>>jagged, unlike the 2L 180sx noses which are pretty sweet
>looking. Oh and
>>they're crud sloped roof disallows trendy electric sunroof :-)
>
>God, 180 sunroofs are dodgy, aren't they?
They should have had those Honda style ones, where the sunroof slides on
rails on top of the roof. Pop-up is dodge.
>
>
>> The Silvia
>>(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
>nicer butt on
>>it :)
>
>Avoid the light moss-green and the dodgy off white ones! Argh,
>they make me feel ill...
I'm not keen on the red ones, and the dark blue ones (not all) seem to have
pretty shakey paint work on them. I've only seen one okay moss-green ones,
but I think it had been recently resprayed as the paint was in top
condition. I like the silver, gunmetal and gold ones.
Chris
Brad
"Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:38ce...@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Brad wrote in message <2074c098...@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>...
> >This is the longest I've ever stayed out of an S13 thread......
>
> Resistance is futile :)
And useless...
>
> >>In article <38cd...@news.iprimus.com.au>, "Chris G"
> ><ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ai9m5$db2
> >$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >>>I have the 1.8 CADET motor in my 180SX. I luv it. I think it's
> >a better
> >>>engine than the 2.0L. Well my mechanic convinces me to think
> >so. It has
> >>>features that the 2L (Red) does not have.
> >>
> >>Like?
> >
> >Variable length inlet runners.......
>
> What's their benefit? (I have no idea what they are).
I thought it was more exact mixing or something like that....I'm a
mechanical retard but I just pick up on what I read....
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Here's some things the 1.8L cars do not have:
> >>
> >>As big a gearbox
> >
> >true..
> >
> >>As big a diff
> >
> >I thought they both used an R200 diff.....
>
> I've read the CA18 have an R200 diff. I've read the SR20 use something
> bigger (and I just found it again on here:
> http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/sneezy/180sx/ ).
>
> >
> >>As big brake discs or calipers
> >
> >annoyingly true :)
> >
> >>A BOV (feeds back to airbox)
> >
> >Don't bother me none.....a $50 bosch type does te job pretty
> >easily once you plumb it in......
>
> True, you can upgrade everything the CA18 doesn't have and then there's no
> difference apart from the engine and turbo size. Getting it all at the
> beginning is easier though :-)
Too right...have to agree. At least we all have to buy aftermarket boost
gauges.....who the hell builds a turbo sports car and doesn't put a boost
gauge in it?
dies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can
> >just seem em.
> >
> >I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
> >I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
> >its extra power....
>
> That's what I once thought after reading about GTiRs, but then someone was
> looking under my hood and pointed them out. There's a picture of an
engine
> bay at that site above too. The guy who pointed them out said they were
the
> four things to the left of the red rocker cover. The CA18 engine bay has
a
> solid throttle body in that place in the pic above. Have a look at them
(if
> you know what to look for - I'm just going on what I was told).
I'm fairly sure its just the normal throttle body......I'll try to find some
pics of a GTiR to compare over the next day or two though.....
In which gear? As an auto or manual? I'm talking about an auto here
because its the only one I've had up that fast - might do another cannon
ball run on the way to melbourne....my speed cut comes in at where about 190
should be, what about yours?
>
> >
> >>
> >>There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
> >>applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have
> >been built up
> >>to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power
> >applications so I
> >>can't see the relevance.
> >
> >The CA18 block is bloody strong for the type of engine it is,
> >but the SR20 is a shitload stronger.
>
> I thought that the reason it cost Nissan so much was because it was made
> tougher? (The CA that is).
I sort of spoke without any proof of my statement, so possibly the CA block
is stronger, however I haven't seen any 700 hp CAs in Japan but I've seen
SRs making that figure....
That maroon colour can look good, but not with the stock wheels....this talk
of appearances is sort of irrelevant though, isn't it? Its all subjective.
>
> Chris
>
Brad
>
Chris G
Brad wrote in message <8an1h0$btl$1...@news.latrobe.edu.au>...
>> >Variable length inlet runners.......
>>
>> What's their benefit? (I have no idea what they are).
>
>I thought it was more exact mixing or something like that....I'm a
>mechanical retard but I just pick up on what I read....
LOL Same.
>>
>> True, you can upgrade everything the CA18 doesn't have and then there's
no
>> difference apart from the engine and turbo size. Getting it all at the
>> beginning is easier though :-)
>
>Too right...have to agree. At least we all have to buy aftermarket boost
>gauges.....who the hell builds a turbo sports car and doesn't put a boost
>gauge in it?
Hey, does the S15 have a boost guage on the pillar?
>dies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can
>> >just seem em.
>> >
>> >I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
>> >I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
>> >its extra power....
>>
>> That's what I once thought after reading about GTiRs, but then someone
was
>> looking under my hood and pointed them out. There's a picture of an
>engine
>> bay at that site above too. The guy who pointed them out said they were
>the
>> four things to the left of the red rocker cover. The CA18 engine bay has
>a
>> solid throttle body in that place in the pic above. Have a look at them
>(if
>> you know what to look for - I'm just going on what I was told).
>
>I'm fairly sure its just the normal throttle body......I'll try to find
some
>pics of a GTiR to compare over the next day or two though.....
Ah well, it looks like what I'd imagine a quad throttle body to look like as
there are four bits, rather than one on the CA18 pic.
>>
>> The CA18 revs a lot higher than the SR, but I think at 180kph, the SR is
>> just past 6000rpms.
>
>In which gear? As an auto or manual?
The CA18 auto a friend has revs to 8500rpms, while my SR manual is best
changed at 7200rpms (cuts off at 7800rpms in redline). At just after
6000rpms in 4th gear, I am doing 180kph or a little over.
> I'm talking about an auto here
>because its the only one I've had up that fast - might do another cannon
>ball run on the way to melbourne....my speed cut comes in at where about
190
>should be, what about yours?
Yep. You can keep accelerating past 180kph for a certain amount of time
before it cuts, so you probably do more than 190... 190's just where the
neddles stops :P
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>There's some story that the CA motor is stronger for massive HP
>> >>applications. That may be true, but SR motors in Japan have
>> >been built up
>> >>to have plenty more kW than the CA motor for big power
>> >applications so I
>> >>can't see the relevance.
>> >
>> >The CA18 block is bloody strong for the type of engine it is,
>> >but the SR20 is a shitload stronger.
>>
>> I thought that the reason it cost Nissan so much was because it was made
>> tougher? (The CA that is).
>
>I sort of spoke without any proof of my statement, so possibly the CA block
>is stronger, however I haven't seen any 700 hp CAs in Japan but I've seen
>SRs making that figure....
I don't have any proof either, and you're right about the last bit. I've
just heard the CAvsSR arguments before.
>> I'm not keen on the red ones, and the dark blue ones (not all) seem to
>have
>> pretty shakey paint work on them. I've only seen one okay moss-green
>ones,
>> but I think it had been recently resprayed as the paint was in top
>> condition. I like the silver, gunmetal and gold ones.
>
>That maroon colour can look good, but not with the stock wheels....this
talk
>of appearances is sort of irrelevant though, isn't it? Its all subjective.
Yep.
Chris
>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>Brad
>>
>
>
Alex White
wrote:
>
>Brad wrote in message <8an1h0$btl$1...@news.latrobe.edu.au>...
>
>>> >Variable length inlet runners.......
>>>
>>> What's their benefit? (I have no idea what they are).
>>
>>I thought it was more exact mixing or something like that....I'm a
>>mechanical retard but I just pick up on what I read....
>
>LOL Same.
Aren't they to improve torque below a certain RPM? Ford do something
like with with their 4L six, and call it "computer torque control", or
something like that. The longer runners provide more torque, and the
shorter ones provide more power, IIRC..
Alex.
Remove the first x in the email address.
Rob
Samuli Lantiainen <clo...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
news:38cf5e79@grissom...
> my friend says that a VL turbo stock is faster than a silvia turbo 1.8L?
> Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in
speed,
> he also says calais is faster...
> He doesn't know shit about cars.... total dick head
some friend huh.. :)
>
> Gavin Cato <ga...@optus.net.au> wrote in message
> news:_UCy4.1093$e85.4...@news0.optus.net.au...
> > > I am looking for a second car and have been impressed by claims of
very
> > > fast 0-100 times from Nissan Silvia's. These cars are very attractive
> > > (seeing as how they seem to sell for around $15,000 - compared to the
> > > WRX which can be $30,000 plus for a reasonable second hand model).
> >
> > I was absolutely positive that I was going to buy a WRX, however a guy I
> > know bought a 2litre manual 180SX and I was so impressed by it (the
> > handling, speed, general look of the car etc..) that I ended up buying
one
> > myself (a decision I don't regret thus far)
> >
> > (The 180SX is like the silvia just a slightly different body)
> >
> > The "FAST" Silvia/180SX (collectively known as S13) is the 2litre
(SR20DET
> > powerplant) 5 speed manual.
> >
Chris G
Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38cf5e79@grissom>...
>my friend says that a VL turbo stock is faster than a silvia turbo 1.8L?
I thought a VL turbo did mid to high 7s? They're not hard to modify though
and get much better times with.
>Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in
speed,
>he also says calais is faster...
>He doesn't know shit about cars.... total dick head
LMAO! :)
Chris
Gavin Cato
Turbo does 0-100 in 8.71secs
Remember thats stock, with a low psi and no intercooler.
Yes VL's can be made to go much faster than that by jacking up the boost and
adding a hefty intercooler.
But as the CA18DET does it in low 7's, you friend is wrong :-)
Cheers,
Gav
"Samuli Lantiainen" <clo...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
news:38cf5e79@grissom...
> my friend says that a VL turbo stock is faster than a silvia turbo 1.8L?
> Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in
speed,
> he also says calais is faster...
> He doesn't know shit about cars.... total dick head
>
Samuli Lantiainen
was 228km/h
Glenn Ryan
> just seem em.
>
> I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
> I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
> its extra power....
>
also got more features than any SR20DET motor ever has, including the
current S15 in Japan.
It had extra oil cooling that splashed the pistons better, ceramic coated
pistons?, sodium? filled valves, etc.
Oh, and it still had a measily 9psi or so to produce it's 170 WRX eating
kws.
>
> The CA18 just feels faster because the rush is much less linear
> than the SR20, but yeah, in the end the SR20 has it....
Oh, if you need an auto, the CA18DET auto is SHIT!! The 3 spd thing kicks
down whenever a bit of throttle is applied. It's much harsher than a Pulsar
Auto I drove once. (didn't own it)
> > The Silvia
> >(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
> nicer butt on
> >it :)
Have you seen the convertible Silvia, only in CA18DET form but gee they look
sexy without a roof. The sharp boot line make it look really good. Only
thing better: (Oh, and relatively affordable)
Bullet Roadstar (13B powered MX5)
Clubman style car
> >>Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
> >
Think they might be outlasting WRX EJ20DET motors by a little bit, actually,
alot!!
Glenn Ryan
Nah, all the VL turbos are the same except for the HDT or Brock, or whatever
the stupid special was in the mid to late '80s
Chris G <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:38cf...@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38cf5e79@grissom>...
> >my friend says that a VL turbo stock is faster than a silvia turbo 1.8L?
>
> I thought a VL turbo did mid to high 7s? They're not hard to modify
though
> and get much better times with.
>
> >Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in
> speed,
> >he also says calais is faster...
> >He doesn't know shit about cars.... total dick head
>
>
> LMAO! :)
>
> Chris
>
>
Norbie
"Alex White" <xlis...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:ooqucs8u6ravl7vcn...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:02:43 GMT, "Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Brad wrote in message <8an1h0$btl$1...@news.latrobe.edu.au>...
> >
> >>>
> >>> What's their benefit? (I have no idea what they are).
> >>
> >>I thought it was more exact mixing or something like that....I'm a
> >>mechanical retard but I just pick up on what I read....
> >
>
> Aren't they to improve torque below a certain RPM? Ford do something
> like with with their 4L six, and call it "computer torque control", or
> something like that. The longer runners provide more torque, and the
> shorter ones provide more power, IIRC..
It is possible to "tune" the length of the inlet runners to improve cylinder
filling at certain rpm by taking advantage of the pulses in the inlet
system - much the same as how tuned-length extractors work, but on the other
side of the combustion process. Unfortunately this trick only works in a
narrow rpm range, and that's where variable length runners come into the
picture. The longer runners are used at low rpm, where the pulses are
spread further apart. At higher rpm, when the pulses are closer, the short
runners are used. A clever and effective idea.
Norbie.
Peter McMillan
<clo...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>Also is there any difference between Calais turbo or say executive in speed,
>he also says calais is faster...
Same engine and samepower output no matter which car it's in. And the
Calais has to carry around all the weight of the chrome plated remote
diptstick wiper, or whatever gadgets they used to put in them.
Executive would be a wee bit quicker just on the basis of weight, but
the difference is probably pretty small.
Peter
If you change dot com to dot au,
there's a better chance you message will get through.
Peter McMillan
<les...@netlink.com.au> wrote:
>More like high 7s or low 8s. The Have around 140kw and 1350kg don't they?
150 kW
daniel...@my-deja.com
fo...@zip.com.au wrote:
> Phil L wrote:
> >
> > Forg wrote:
> >
> > > daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > turbo where as the 2L comes out with the t28 which is bigger.
Hence the
> > > > 20kw difference. Stick a t28 on the 1.8 and see what you get.
> > >
> > > Lag?
> > >
> >
> > a sub 14 second quarter?
> ...
>
> As long as you've had a good ten seconds to spool-up beforehand ... :-
)
>
> --
> Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
Here's what I said..
"I've been getting involved in the newsgroups lately and a few people
intend
on
telling me bolting on a bigger turbo on the CA18 isn't worth doing
because
the
lag will be so bad. I don't think this is true. I don't want to waste
time and
money to get bad results."
Dan
Reply
"Dunno which group told you that, but it's crap.
Obviously there is a point that bolting on a big unit will be
detrimental to
low throttle response, but it'd make up for it in the top end.
Anyway, the 2 cheaper options I use have no noticable increase in lag
over
the stocker, infact, one of the ones I use has less lag than stock.
And if budget is no issue, then a new ball bearing turbo will give you
everything under the sun!"
daniel...@my-deja.com
us...@host.com wrote:
> > Quad throttle bodies? - um thats on the GT-R engine. Where the heck
did
> > this come in? I know a guy who wanted to put that on his 2L but I
don't
> > think it can be done. Oh grab a VL throttle body if you mod this too
> > for extra air flow.
>
> N13 Pulsar GTiR.
>
> Had a East-West SR20DET with quad throttle bodies. ~174kW.
>
> Pretty sure they are a straight bolt-on job.
>
> Regards,
> TimR
>
The Pulsar is 4wd isn't it?
Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags) wanted to
bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be done he
would of done it.
Blah..
TimR
Only the GTiR is yeah - but maybe some other countries may have got a
4WD NA version... (east-west IS fwd setup isnt it??)
> Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags) wanted to
> bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be done he
> would of done it.
> Blah..
Yeah - Mike Sentonas... He hung out in the S13 egroups for a while.
He may have been trying to do it but I can tell you it is definitely not
happening now. His silvia is smashed up real good somehow and now rests
in a police compound from the looks of the photos from the egroups.
Brings a tear to my eye everytime I re-read those articles now...
Regards,
TimR
Phil L
> Since forg and a few others have bluntly said bolting on a bigger turbo
> is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
> Here's what I said..
> "I've been getting involved in the newsgroups lately and a few people
> intend
> on
> telling me bolting on a bigger turbo on the CA18 isn't worth doing
> because
> the
> lag will be so bad. I don't think this is true. I don't want to waste
> time and
> money to get bad results."
> Dan
> Reply
> "Dunno which group told you that, but it's crap.
> Obviously there is a point that bolting on a big unit will be
> detrimental to
> low throttle response, but it'd make up for it in the top end.
> Anyway, the 2 cheaper options I use have no noticable increase in lag
> over
> the stocker, infact, one of the ones I use has less lag than stock.
> And if budget is no issue, then a new ball bearing turbo will give you
> everything under the sun!"
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Yes, the T28 is a pretty good turbo for a CA-18DET.... it does not give as
much lag as people seem to think it does....
Anyone who is in WA... I know of at least one S13 that I have worked on
which is currently fitted with a T28, and visits the local (legal) drags on
a few occasions....
It's not overly laggy, and does some really good times..... Faster than
300ZX TT....
Phil L
> The Pulsar is 4wd isn't it?
>
The GTi-R is....
> Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags) wanted to
> bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be done he
> would of done it.
>
Well, if he still had the car, he might have.... If thats the car I'm
thinking of, it was built in WA, the owner moved east, which slowed the
development, then it got knocked off... (WA personal plates are fairly easy
to spot in NSW....) and unfortunately, the bloke who knocked it off then
wrapped it around a light post.... and was pulled out by the bloke he was
racing and got away.....
I guess he's kinda lucky, cos if anyone who knew the car had gotten hold of
him.....
Phil
> Blah..
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
daniel...@my-deja.com
give as
> much lag as people seem to think it does....
>
> Anyone who is in WA... I know of at least one S13 that I have worked
on
> which is currently fitted with a T28, and visits the local (legal)
drags on
> a few occasions....
>
> It's not overly laggy, and does some really good times..... Faster
than
> 300ZX TT....
>
> Phil L.
>
> ICQ: 26289546
> Mobile: 0403 05 2070
>
> Photo's and Information from Wanneroo (Barbagallo) Raceway, including
Sports
> Sedans.
>
> http://www.iinet.net.au/~hibeach/
>
> V8 Supercars at Barbagallo's March 16th-19th.
>
Yay, finally someone who knows from experience.
Phil I'm in WA too. Shit I think I know you man. Your Glenn's mate? He
goes to wanneroo regularly.
Dan
daniel...@my-deja.com
> >
>
> The GTi-R is....
>
> > Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags) wanted
to
> > bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be
done he
> > would of done it.
> >
>
> Well, if he still had the car, he might have.... If thats the car I'm
> thinking of, it was built in WA, the owner moved east, which slowed
the
> development, then it got knocked off... (WA personal plates are
fairly easy
> to spot in NSW....) and unfortunately, the bloke who knocked it off
then
> wrapped it around a light post.... and was pulled out by the bloke he
was
> racing and got away.....
>
> I guess he's kinda lucky, cos if anyone who knew the car had gotten
hold of
> him.....
>
> Phil
>
> > Blah..
> >
> Phil L.
>
Yep. Mike got me started on these nissan cars. I day he took me for a
drive in his silvia was the day I started looking for my next car. I
have never felt such power in my life and to this day I'm striving to
get something similar to my car. Next step is intercooler.
Mike moved to Syd and his car got smashed as ya said. Real shame.
Brad J
Glenn Ryan <les...@netlink.com.au> wrote in article
<8aoah5$sc7$1...@news.netlink.com.au>...
> > >Quad throttle bodies? (whatever the fuck they do =)). I can
> > just seem em.
> >
> > I thought that was only on the GTiR pulsar SR20...correct me if
> > I'm wrong - and I had thought that was where the GTiR got all
> > its extra power....
> >
> Yep, only the FWD (AWD) GTiR speced SR20DET got the quad butterflies. But
it
> also got more features than any SR20DET motor ever has, including the
> current S15 in Japan.
>
> It had extra oil cooling that splashed the pistons better, ceramic coated
> pistons?, sodium? filled valves, etc.
>
> Oh, and it still had a measily 9psi or so to produce it's 170 WRX eating
> kws.
Love to drop one in my silvia!
>
> >
> > The CA18 just feels faster because the rush is much less linear
> > than the SR20, but yeah, in the end the SR20 has it....
>
> Oh, if you need an auto, the CA18DET auto is SHIT!! The 3 spd thing kicks
> down whenever a bit of throttle is applied. It's much harsher than a
Pulsar
> Auto I drove once. (didn't own it)
Its a four speed, and it has a few modes, so after awhile it isn't too bad.
Actually I reckon its probably the best auto I've driven. If its in power
mode, it is supposed to drop a gear when you accelerate BTW.
>
>
> > > The Silvia
> > >(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
> > nicer butt on
> > >it :)
>
> Have you seen the convertible Silvia, only in CA18DET form but gee they
look
> sexy without a roof. The sharp boot line make it look really good. Only
> thing better: (Oh, and relatively affordable)
>
> Bullet Roadstar (13B powered MX5)
> Clubman style car
>
>
> > >>Either way NISSAN engines rule! You can't go wrong!
> > >
>
> Think they might be outlasting WRX EJ20DET motors by a little bit,
actually,
> alot!!
>
>
>
EJ20Ts are, well the entire driveline as well, are fairly pissweak......
Brad
Phil L
> Yay, finally someone who knows from experience.
> Phil I'm in WA too. Shit I think I know you man. Your Glenn's mate? He
> goes to wanneroo regularly.
>
> Dan
>
Dan....
Which Glenn? I know 2 of them, and they're both relevant to this..... :-)
(In short... yes. :-)
Yeah, I think I know you too... :-)
Hopefully see ya at the track soon... (IIRC, the Ravo 4's day is next
weekend....)
Phil
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Phil L.
ICQ: 26289546
TimR
it...
TimR
Phil Cremer
...
> Since forg and a few others have bluntly said bolting on a bigger turbo
> is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
No, I think the hint was that blindly bolting a bigger turbo on,
especially one of the same age as the car, will quite likely give you
lag. I know it will, if you use the wrong turbo or too big a turbo.
You can't just bolt on the world's biggest turbo and expect no lag; you
might find that even a small amount of lag is annoying.
Chris G
Glenn Ryan wrote in message <8aoah5$sc7$1...@news.netlink.com.au>...
>> > The Silvia
>> >(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
>> nicer butt on
>> >it :)
>
>Have you seen the convertible Silvia, only in CA18DET form but gee they
look
>sexy without a roof. The sharp boot line make it look really good. Only
>thing better: (Oh, and relatively affordable)
Yeah apparently only 400 made. They're all CA18DET and AUTOs! =(
Chris
Chris G
Gavin Cato wrote in message ...
>I think (speaking from memory, not necessarily factual) that the STOCK VL
>Turbo does 0-100 in 8.71secs
Oh that's a bit poor! I thought they were better than that.
>Remember thats stock, with a low psi and no intercooler.
Yeh.
>
>Yes VL's can be made to go much faster than that by jacking up the boost
and
>adding a hefty intercooler.
>
>But as the CA18DET does it in low 7's, you friend is wrong :-)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Gav
>
>http://come.to/180sx
>
BTW, funny movies ;)
Chris
Chris G
Phil L wrote in message <38D08C11...@ii.net>...
>
>Yes, the T28 is a pretty good turbo for a CA-18DET.... it does not give as
>much lag as people seem to think it does....
>
>Anyone who is in WA... I know of at least one S13 that I have worked on
>which is currently fitted with a T28, and visits the local (legal) drags on
>a few occasions....
>
>It's not overly laggy, and does some really good times..... Faster than
>300ZX TT....
It'd need more than just a T28 bolted on to beat a TT 300zx. The SR's have
bigger capacity and a T28 and are still a few tenths shy of the 300zx.
Chris
Chris G
Phil Cremer wrote in message <38D0AFFF...@zip.com.au>...
>daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
>...
>> Since forg and a few others have bluntly said bolting on a bigger turbo
>> is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
>...
>
>No, I think the hint was that blindly bolting a bigger turbo on,
>especially one of the same age as the car, will quite likely give you
>lag. I know it will, if you use the wrong turbo or too big a turbo.
>You can't just bolt on the world's biggest turbo and expect no lag; you
>might find that even a small amount of lag is annoying.
Phil Cremer? :)
And yes, especially the 1.8Ls as they have no standard BOV.
Chris
daniel...@my-deja.com
Phil L <hib...@ii.net> wrote:
> daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Yay, finally someone who knows from experience.
> > Phil I'm in WA too. Shit I think I know you man. Your Glenn's mate?
He
> > goes to wanneroo regularly.
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
> Dan....
> Which Glenn? I know 2 of them, and they're both relevant to
this..... :-)
> (In short... yes. :-)
>
> Yeah, I think I know you too... :-)
> Hopefully see ya at the track soon... (IIRC, the Ravo 4's day is next
> weekend....)
> Phil
>
> >
Yeh I'll try and make it to the next meet.
Dan
daniel...@my-deja.com
"Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phil Cremer wrote in message <38D0AFFF...@zip.com.au>...
> >daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >...
> >> Since forg and a few others have bluntly said bolting on a bigger
turbo
> >> is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
> >...
> >
> >No, I think the hint was that blindly bolting a bigger turbo on,
> >especially one of the same age as the car, will quite likely give you
> >lag. I know it will, if you use the wrong turbo or too big a turbo.
> >You can't just bolt on the world's biggest turbo and expect no lag;
you
> >might find that even a small amount of lag is annoying.
>
> Phil Cremer? :)
>
> And yes, especially the 1.8Ls as they have no standard BOV.
>
> Chris
>
> >
was the first thing I added. An important little investment to save a
much larger one. I'm not sure but I don't think WRX's have standard BOV
on them either.
I probably wouldn't want to use the 'standard' BOV. I'd get something
else because the standard BOV can't release enough air from a higher
flowing turbo.
Anyway, a BOV requires the pipes to be filled up again on every gear
change so I would of thought one without a BOV would have less lag
because it's always on boost. I might be wrong.
daniel...@my-deja.com
"Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phil Cremer wrote in message <38D0AFFF...@zip.com.au>...
> >daniel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >...
> >> Since forg and a few others have bluntly said bolting on a bigger
turbo
> >> is a bad idea I consulted my mechanic about it..
> >...
> >
> >No, I think the hint was that blindly bolting a bigger turbo on,
> >especially one of the same age as the car, will quite likely give you
> >lag. I know it will, if you use the wrong turbo or too big a turbo.
> >You can't just bolt on the world's biggest turbo and expect no lag;
you
> >might find that even a small amount of lag is annoying.
>
> Phil Cremer? :)
>
> And yes, especially the 1.8Ls as they have no standard BOV.
>
> Chris
>
Standard BOV's may leak after a certain amount of psi.
I've heard some have anyway.
Forg
...
> I'm not sure but I don't think WRX's have standard BOV
> on them either.
No, they do; you'd be hard-pressed to find a recent turbo car that
doesn't.
...
> Anyway, a BOV requires the pipes to be filled up again on every gear
> change so I would of thought one without a BOV would have less lag
> because it's always on boost. I might be wrong.
...
I think the turbo stalls without the BOV doesn't it? I think that's
worse, in terms of lag, but again I could be wrong.
Chris G
Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38d1d9dd@grissom>...
>I read from a website it said that the top speed for the 1.8 turbo silvia
>was 228km/h
That sounds about right... The 2L turbo is said to get up near 240, so the
1.8L probably does get tored at 230ish.
Chris
Chris G
daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8arvqe$gh1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>
>> Phil Cremer? :)
>>
>> And yes, especially the 1.8Ls as they have no standard BOV.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> >
>was the first thing I added. An important little investment to save a
>on them either.
Of course it's not much effort - but then there's no effort for the 2L
turbo. The point was, someone was saying it's better to buy a 1.8L turbo.
The 2L turbo will always be able to get more power if you do the same mods
to both engines.
>I probably wouldn't want to use the 'standard' BOV. I'd get something
>else because the standard BOV can't release enough air from a higher
>flowing turbo.
Of course, when the boost goes up, off goes the standard BOV.
>Anyway, a BOV requires the pipes to be filled up again on every gear
>change so I would of thought one without a BOV would have less lag
>because it's always on boost. I might be wrong.
What do you think the point of a BOV is?
Chris
Chris G
daniel...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8asm8c$vn2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>Standard BOV's may leak after a certain amount of psi.
>I've heard some have anyway.
Yeah, best to ditch them after you jack up the boost. The point is, they
come standard on the 2L turbo, so when comparing two standard cars this is
one thing the 2L has over the 1.8L.
TimR
>
> Chris
Here's one for ya...saw some pics on the net recently of a 240SX
convertible. Now I personally think that the silvia convertible looks
ugly as but the 240SX with its 180SX front and silvia back looks very
sweet. Pity its only powered by the good o;' bluebird KA24DE!
TimR
Tim Floyd
above 180 :oP
Glenn Ryan
> The Pulsar is 4wd isn't it?
> bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be done he
> would of done it.
>
Yes it's 4WD, but I think there was a Pulsar GTi which had the GTiR motor in
FWD only, it was a grey one they rallied in Aust. Rally, thought it was a
GTiR at first until I saw the driving style, checked after the race and it
was FWD.
The quad throttle bodies bolt straight on!!
It IS the same motor (block) but I'd think it would be hard to get a GTiR
spec motor (and harder/more expensive to just get certain parts, especially
those nice throttle bodies) at a good price.
Phil L
> >
> > The Pulsar is 4wd isn't it?
> > Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags) wanted to
> > bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be done he
> > would of done it.
> > Blah..
> >
>
OK... spoke to someone about it today (Dan, it was Glenn...... if ya wanna go to
the V8's with us tomorrow, we're meeting at his place at 6am BTW...)
The problem with trying to put quads on the silvia (I remember seeing the quads
at Lumpy's place....... but hand't heard the full reason they couldn';t go on
the silvia...) is 2-fold at least....
1) The bonnet gets into the way.... to clear the bonnet you would need to add a
bit of a bulge to the bonnet (in fact, quite a lot of a bulge.... or use
stupidly short intake runners)
2) If you could avoid the bonnet, you then have the problem of the clutch master
cylinder..... which would contact the quads also...
3) (oops....looks like there's another...) actually this one is not too
certain.... there's some speculation that if the quads actually cleared the
clutch master cylinder (ie. if you moved it) then you would possibly have a
problem with them hitting the brake booster.....
>
> Yes it's 4WD, but I think there was a Pulsar GTi which had the GTiR motor in
> FWD only, it was a grey one they rallied in Aust. Rally, thought it was a
> GTiR at first until I saw the driving style, checked after the race and it
> was FWD.
>
> The quad throttle bodies bolt straight on!!
>
> It IS the same motor (block) but I'd think it would be hard to get a GTiR
> spec motor (and harder/more expensive to just get certain parts, especially
> those nice throttle bodies) at a good price.
Rob
Chris G <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:38d0...@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Glenn Ryan wrote in message <8aoah5$sc7$1...@news.netlink.com.au>...
> >> > The Silvia
> >> >(one of the better coloured ones) has much sleeker lines and a
> >> nicer butt on
> >> >it :)
> >
> >Have you seen the convertible Silvia, only in CA18DET form but gee they
> look
> >sexy without a roof. The sharp boot line make it look really good. Only
> >thing better: (Oh, and relatively affordable)
>
Brad
Have to get a speed cut defender and go for a blast!
Brad
"Chris G" <ga...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:38d1...@news.iprimus.com.au...
TimR
>
> Wonder if its any different for the auto?
In other news - Heard a story from a security guard regarding a stolen
silvia. Must have been a wildly modified SR20DET because the moment the
cops got a squad of LS1's on his tale, he put his foot down and left
the, for dead! ended up at one point with the silvia going down the
wrong side of the freeway at 190kph (Imagine if you were coming home
from the boring old night shift!). In the end the cops lost the silvia,
whether it was because they gave up because it was getting too dangerous
or cause he left the freeway on an onramp! - I wasnt told...
And to add to this, the security guard who was listening to all this
during his patrols then saw a similar looking silvia driving quickly by
a few hours later and radioed the number plate to the cops. 'Nah thats
not the plates where after thanks' they said... but 5 mins later, some
bright cop decided to check the plates that the guard had given them and
suprise, suprise! the plates on the silvia didnt match the car! (ie the
plates were registered for a white 1973 van or something...). So it
looks as if our smart theif had swaped the plates after his chase...
Regards,
TimR
Samuli Lantiainen
Brad <bjjo...@students.latrobe.edu.au> wrote in message
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> Wonder if its any different for the auto?
>
Samuli Lantiainen
daniel...@my-deja.com
Phil L <hib...@ii.net> wrote:
> Glenn Ryan wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The Pulsar is 4wd isn't it?
> > > Gee dunno, this guy with a silvia (been in 3 or 4 cars mags)
wanted to
> > > bolt on the quad but it didn't end up happening. If it could be
done he
> > > would of done it.
> > > Blah..
> > >
> >
>
> OK... spoke to someone about it today (Dan, it was Glenn...... if ya
wanna go to
> the V8's with us tomorrow, we're meeting at his place at 6am BTW...)
today. I did come by that day actually and when no one was home I kinda
knew you guys were at wanneroo. Holden too strong.
>
> The problem with trying to put quads on the silvia (I remember seeing
the quads
> at Lumpy's place....... but hand't heard the full reason they
couldn';t go on
> the silvia...) is 2-fold at least....
>
> 1) The bonnet gets into the way.... to clear the bonnet you would
need to add a
> bit of a bulge to the bonnet (in fact, quite a lot of a bulge.... or
use
> stupidly short intake runners)
>
> 2) If you could avoid the bonnet, you then have the problem of the
clutch master
> cylinder..... which would contact the quads also...
>
> 3) (oops....looks like there's another...) actually this one is not
too
> certain.... there's some speculation that if the quads actually
cleared the
> clutch master cylinder (ie. if you moved it) then you would possibly
have a
> problem with them hitting the brake booster.....
>
> >
> > Yes it's 4WD, but I think there was a Pulsar GTi which had the GTiR
motor in
> > FWD only, it was a grey one they rallied in Aust. Rally, thought it
was a
> > GTiR at first until I saw the driving style, checked after the race
and it
> > was FWD.
> >
> > The quad throttle bodies bolt straight on!!
> >
> > It IS the same motor (block) but I'd think it would be hard to get
a GTiR
> > spec motor (and harder/more expensive to just get certain parts,
especially
> > those nice throttle bodies) at a good price.
>
> --
> Phil L.
>
> ICQ: 26289546
> Mobile: 0403 05 2070
>
> Photo's and Information from Wanneroo (Barbagallo) Raceway, including
Sports
> Sedans.
>
> http://www.iinet.net.au/~hibeach/
>
> V8 Supercars at Barbagallo's March 16th-19th.
>
>
Brad
"Samuli Lantiainen" <clo...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
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Ben Wight
>>
>> A bigger turbo than the t28 on the ca18det? You'd better get prepared
>for
>> some serious turbo lag.
>Nope don't think so. People have put on T3's and haven't complained.
>Ball bearing / ceramic turbo's spool up faster and earlier. The t25's
>and t28's don't have this feature (i think). Thats how I'm getting
>around this problem. Well I ain't paying 2k to get bad results. I shall
>see.
I have been told by several people in the know that only the jap versions of
the SR20DET have the T28 roller bearing units (ie. our aussie 200SX's dont
have roller bearings). You'll be paying BIG dollars for a roller bearing T3
as they have never been a factory fitment on any engine AFAIK. How much
over $2000 is one of these worth? It's interesting news that you can buy
new roller bearing ceramic units from Garret.
Nick Clewer
Samuli Lantiainen <clo...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
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> What's the top speed for a WRX?
Chris G
Nick Clewer wrote in message <8b6hpk$ea6$1...@gnamma.connect.com.au>...
>With there gearing not high I'd say.
I think the magazines have had them up to 240kph?
Chris
Brad
(and most motoring journos). ;)
Brad
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Adam
What is it, 4.1:1. They are bloody drag gears f'chrisakes!
Cheers,
Adam
Brad wrote in message <8b9a8e$g2m$1...@news.latrobe.edu.au>...
Samuli Lantiainen
said in some Japanase High performance imports, 228km for the CA18DET and
around 240 for the SR20DET
Adam <vp...@nospamautospeed.com> wrote in message
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Chris G
Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38d87ce6@grissom>...
>on the SR20 can't you drive it to 100Km/h in first gear, or that's what it
>said in some Japanase High performance imports, 228km for the CA18DET and
>around 240 for the SR20DET
1st gear to 100kph? Maybe you could make 70... I change just after 65
(7200rpms). It cuts out at 7800 or so.
Chris
dam'z
Chris G wrote:
> Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38d9c50d@grissom>...
> >it's a australian magazine and they tested the cars also, like 0-100 and
> >400m
>
> I think maybe you mean the Skyline. There's no way on earth the Silvia will
> get to 100kph in 1st gear. You'd need to remove the fuel cut, and even
> then, at 9000rpms, I doubt you'd be at 100kph.
>
> Chris
nah I have the magazine he was talking about. They did say the SR20DE engine in
a s13 silvia will do 100kph in first. Maybe the High Performance Imports crew
are even more dodgey than they seem?
-d-
Vudoo
Lakeside before I had to lift for the left kink ;-)
Should be good for at least 225+ km/hr. Don't know if 240 is possible
though (unless you're on an STi).
Cheers.
Chris G wrote in message <38d7...@news.iprimus.com.au>...
Vudoo
Brad wrote in message <8b9a8e$g2m$1...@news.latrobe.edu.au>...
>By driving them off a tall cliff? Thats the best thing to do with most
WRXs
>(and most motoring journos). ;)
>
>Brad
>
Nah the best thing to do with most WRX's is getting onto a race track on a
wet day. But I wouldn't mind driving mine of a tall cliff just for the
experience though (provided I fit big enough parachutes for the landing that
is) ;-)
Sounds like you got cleaned up recently by one ;-)
Cheers.
Arnie
>Don't know personally. Only saw 170ish at the end of the straight at
>Lakeside before I had to lift for the left kink ;-)
>
>Should be good for at least 225+ km/hr. Don't know if 240 is possible
>though (unless you're on an STi).
I reckon you'll struggle to go much faster than 220kph in a standard WRX.
It's only got 160kw and top speed is all about power.
Arnie
Christopher Smith
"Arnie" <a...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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My MX6 only has 120kw and it'll do 220 (indicated) with a full load of
luggage and fuel.
Brad J
apart - gearbox must be held together with sticky tape.
Brad
Vudoo <no...@home.com.au> wrote in article
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daniel...@my-deja.com
roller bearing. I'd have to ask someone about that. It's not
big/efficent enough for my liking and too old anyway.
I can get a second hand T3 roller bearing unit for about 400 bucks but
to get it on I have to change my manifold (i think) which would cost an
extra $150 or so. So in the end, still a cheap option for a big flowing
efficient turbo. But cos it's second hand it may need to be re-built in
future depending on ware, which is expensive. If I were on a budget,
I'd do this.
Instead I'm going to buy a new garret unit for about $1800 which bolts
straight on without any further mods. I'm not sure what the exact model
is right now but it's the one Mike Sentonas (not sure if you've seen
his car) used on his SR20DET and had great results from it. It spools
up early and quickly.
Also something which might be interesting. I don't have to get a new
computer like a WOLF to handle the increase in fuel loads. We are able
to change the standard load maps using the exisiting computer on the
CA18DET. I don't think there are many people out there who are able to
do this. Something like a WOLF costs 1600 bucks so I'm making a good
saving here. The car is a money pit as it is.
Samuli Lantiainen
400m
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Samuli Lantiainen
Samuli Lantiainen
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Samuli Lantiainen
Vudoo <no...@home.com.au> wrote in message
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> Don't know personally. Only saw 170ish at the end of the straight at
> Lakeside before I had to lift for the left kink ;-)
>
> Should be good for at least 225+ km/hr. Don't know if 240 is possible
> though (unless you're on an STi).
>
Chris G
Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38d9c50d@grissom>...
>it's a australian magazine and they tested the cars also, like 0-100 and
>400m
I think maybe you mean the Skyline. There's no way on earth the Silvia will
get to 100kph in 1st gear. You'd need to remove the fuel cut, and even
then, at 9000rpms, I doubt you'd be at 100kph.
Chris
>
>
Chris G
Samuli Lantiainen wrote in message <38d9c537@grissom>...
>what engine?
SR20DET
John O'Neill
Just on 2600rpm in 5th at 100kph, I assume that this means that it does
5200rpm in 5th at 200kph? with a 7800rpm cut off I would see 240 being
done quite happily.
I wouldn't take it any higher than 50-60 in 1st though.
-JohnO
Darrin Smith
of the year (PCOTY) you'll see that the WRX is indeed top speed
limited. I've never driven one (my daily drive is a 944) but
I've often wondered if the diff/transaxle in the WRX's is geared
for quick-takeoffs rather than top speed-they sure seem to get
going well-I usually lose them when I shift to second! If find
that my 944 is has very long gears, ie 1st up to 60km/h 2nd to
99km/h 3 to 140 etc. Top speed is (according to the factory)
circa 235kmh, Rather useless outside of Autobahns though! Any
WRX's owners care to comment?
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Vudoo
>Lakeside before I had to lift for the left kink ;-)
>
>Should be good for at least 225+ km/hr. Don't know if 240 is possible
>though (unless you're on an STi).
>
>Cheers.
>
Correction,
Just got my April 2000 copy of Wheels, with the accelleration and top speed
tests of some of the more desirable cars.
Top speed WRX 221km/hr (though I recall Motor printing 225 as it's top
speed). Top speed STi 176km/hr! What a pity they didn't remove that speed
limiter in the STi to find out officially what its top speed is. Is there a
legal obligation for magazines not to mess with the car although most people
who buys STi would presumably know about the limiter and how to remove its
restriction. BTW is it illegal to remove the limiter in Japan once the car
is bought?
The winner was the GT3 with 274km/hr.
Interestingly they had the GTS first drive in the same issue. Can't
remember reading if they managed to wring the top speed out of it but the
250kW R8 got 254 km/hr I think.
However the STi out accellerate the GTS in the 0-100 and the 0-400m (by a
mere 0.1 of a second, though the official GTS factory figure was 0.7 s
faster than wheels' time) dash. I am sure down a long straight the GTS
would catch up but it would be interesting to line them up along a race
track and compare lap times though. This is more relevant in the real world
in my opinion. I'd put my money on the STi.
Cheers.
PS Can't remember what the S2000 got. Have to have a closer look tonight.