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Clocky
Jan 19, 2024, 8:10:20 PMJan 19
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Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
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Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."
On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."
On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
Mighty Mouse
Jan 19, 2024, 9:35:05 PMJan 19
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Clocky wrote:
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
"A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road users".
Oh, really?
>
> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>
--
Have a nice day!..
Clocky
Jan 19, 2024, 10:05:19 PMJan 19
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On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road users".
> Oh, really?
>
The Ranger has a different fault...
> Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road users".
> Oh, really?
>
"A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps not
illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
users."
https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you, their
monster bogan shit boxes are too!
>>
>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>
>
> :)
>
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Ozix
Jan 20, 2024, 1:16:57 AMJan 20
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Clocky wrote:
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
> as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>
And Tesla 3 sales have been suspended due to a child restraint problem,
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
> as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>
serious enough to fail ADR.
I haven.t heard Elon's response.
Xeno
Jan 20, 2024, 6:20:22 AMJan 20
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On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
> as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide it
> as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>
> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>
Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>
Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD conversion on the Tundra too but are not
rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid I guess.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
Jan 20, 2024, 6:26:11 AMJan 20
to
On 20/1/2024 2:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>>
>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>
>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road users".
>> Oh, really?
>>
>
> The Ranger has a different fault...
>
> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps not
> illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
> users."
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>
Just the other day, right outside the supermarket, I saw a car wedged
> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>>
>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>
>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road users".
>> Oh, really?
>>
>
> The Ranger has a different fault...
>
> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps not
> illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
> users."
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>
under the arse of a new Ranger. Certainly jacked up the rear suspension
on the Ranger! ;-)
I wonder if the rear brake lights were the cause of that little bingle?
>
> It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you, their
> monster bogan shit boxes are too!
>
>
>>>
>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
--
> It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you, their
> monster bogan shit boxes are too!
>
>
>>>
>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
--
Mighty Mouse
Jan 20, 2024, 8:42:39 PMJan 20
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Clocky wrote:
> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's
>>> progress.
>>>
>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>
>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road
>> users". Oh, really?
>>
>
> The Ranger has a different fault...
>
> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps
> not illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
> users."
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>
>
> It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you,
> their monster bogan shit boxes are too!
both are a menace on the roads!
> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's
>>> progress.
>>>
>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>
>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road
>> users". Oh, really?
>>
>
> The Ranger has a different fault...
>
> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps
> not illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
> users."
>
> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>
>
> It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you,
> their monster bogan shit boxes are too!
>
>
>>>
>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>
>
--
Mighty Mouse
Jan 20, 2024, 8:47:33 PMJan 20
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electric vehicle sales are dropping, especially in cold countries like
Canada, where they basically just conk out, or won't start. also a
recent video I saw proves running costs are higher for eEV's, plus it
takes you longer to get anywhere due to charging times. unless you're
just using them in the suburbs and charging at home.
Mighty Mouse
Jan 20, 2024, 8:48:44 PMJan 20
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Xeno wrote:
> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>
>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>
> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>
> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD conversion on the Tundra too but are
> not rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid I
> guess.
>
a mate of mine won't buy anything except Toyota, and his kids too
> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>
>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>
> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>
> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD conversion on the Tundra too but are
> not rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid I
> guess.
>
Mighty Mouse
Jan 20, 2024, 8:49:29 PMJan 20
to
Xeno wrote:
> On 20/1/2024 2:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the
>>>> rack while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try
>>>> to hide it as a service rework or blame the customer this time.
>>>> That's progress.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>>
>>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road
>>> users". Oh, really?
>>>
>>
>> The Ranger has a different fault...
>>
>> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps
>> not illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
>> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
>> users."
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>>
> Just the other day, right outside the supermarket, I saw a car wedged
> under the arse of a new Ranger. Certainly jacked up the rear
> suspension on the Ranger! ;-)
>
> I wonder if the rear brake lights were the cause of that little bingle?
could be. or the bogan driving it
> On 20/1/2024 2:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 20/01/2024 10:35 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the
>>>> rack while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try
>>>> to hide it as a service rework or blame the customer this time.
>>>> That's progress.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>>
>>> "A loss of steering control could increase the risk of an accident
>>> causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and/or other road
>>> users". Oh, really?
>>>
>>
>> The Ranger has a different fault...
>>
>> "A sudden stop whilst driving at low speed and the rear brake lamps
>> not illuminating as intended, could increase the potential risk of an
>> accident, causing injury or death to vehicle occupants and other road
>> users."
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005759
>>
> Just the other day, right outside the supermarket, I saw a car wedged
> under the arse of a new Ranger. Certainly jacked up the rear
> suspension on the Ranger! ;-)
>
> I wonder if the rear brake lights were the cause of that little bingle?
>>
>> It's not just typical Ford driving mongs that are out to get you,
>> their monster bogan shit boxes are too!
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>
>
--
Xeno
Jan 20, 2024, 9:33:26 PMJan 20
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lindsay
Jan 21, 2024, 2:14:10 AMJan 21
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On 20/01/2024 10:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>
>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>
> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>
> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD
Really? I guess thats Toyota's way of doing things. Most imports to Aus
> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the rack
>> while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try to hide
>> it as a service rework or blame the customer this time. That's progress.
>>
>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>
> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>
>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>
> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>
> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD
do a LHD to RHD conversion... Poor old shit-fer-brains does it again.. :-D
> conversion on the Tundra
Tundra's in Aus.. I saw that article. Poor Clocky will have a shit-fit
at all those big "monster bogan shit boxes". I hope they dont scrimp on
the wheel arches for the muddies, and leave room in between the round
LEDs on the roof rack for multiple lightbars mounted above the
windscreen. If not, never mind, it wont take long for the Toyota
fanboi's to improvise... FFS, there's already 3 Aus based Tundra groups
on Faecesbook.
> too but are not
> rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid I guess.
about...
Noddy
Jan 21, 2024, 4:08:20 AMJan 21
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On 21/01/2024 6:14 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 20/01/2024 10:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD
>
> Really? I guess thats Toyota's way of doing things. Most imports to Aus
> do a LHD to RHD conversion... Poor old shit-fer-brains does it again.. :-D
What an absolute muppet :)
> On 20/01/2024 10:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD
>
> Really? I guess thats Toyota's way of doing things. Most imports to Aus
> do a LHD to RHD conversion... Poor old shit-fer-brains does it again.. :-D
>> conversion on the Tundra
>
> Tundra's in Aus.. I saw that article. Poor Clocky will have a shit-fit
> at all those big "monster bogan shit boxes". I hope they dont scrimp on
> the wheel arches for the muddies, and leave room in between the round
> LEDs on the roof rack for multiple lightbars mounted above the
> windscreen. If not, never mind, it wont take long for the Toyota
> fanboi's to improvise... FFS, there's already 3 Aus based Tundra groups
> on Faecesbook.
Can't wait to see the criticism of the big monsta Toyotas flying thick
and fast :)
>> too but are not rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want
>> to avoid I guess.
>
> Keep guessing, shit-fer. It's not like you know what you're dribbling
> about...
you pulled out and let the cold air rush in. Ford doesn't do their own
RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado. The
steering shaft drop out is a pretty major fuck up, but at least they're
on it straight away and doing something about it.
If it were Toyota you'd have to take a class action against the cunts to
get them to even admit that there's an issue that needs to be addressed :)
--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Xeno
Jan 21, 2024, 6:55:56 AMJan 21
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On 21/1/2024 8:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
> As usual the fucking mental case wouldn't know if you were up him until
> you pulled out and let the cold air rush in. Ford doesn't do their own
You seem to have a lot of *experience* with that!
> As usual the fucking mental case wouldn't know if you were up him until
> you pulled out and let the cold air rush in. Ford doesn't do their own
> RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
> separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado. The
this topic.
>>> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the
>>> company contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
> steering shaft drop out is a pretty major fuck up,
*kills people*.
> but at least they're on it straight away and doing something about it.
one and there'll be recalls all round. At least it'll be the F150 bogans
driving around in trepidation instead of (as well as?) the general
public being confronted with the hulksters.
>
> If it were Toyota you'd have to take a class action against the cunts to
> get them to even admit that there's an issue that needs to be addressed :)
>
As I *intimated*, bit hard to hide something like that. Properly
> If it were Toyota you'd have to take a class action against the cunts to
> get them to even admit that there's an issue that needs to be addressed :)
>
operating steering, like brakes, are a bit, umm, *fundamental*! You
notice *instantly* when it's not happening for you.
My god, you really are thick, eh?
alvey
Jan 21, 2024, 3:18:09 PMJan 21
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A repulsive little man wrote:
> Ford doesn't do their own
> RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
> separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado.
Given the way that most of these idiotic things are driven they may as
> Ford doesn't do their own
> RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
> separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado.
well leave them as LHD.
alvey
Mighty Mouse
Jan 21, 2024, 6:28:00 PMJan 21
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Xeno wrote:
> On 21/1/2024 8:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>> As usual the fucking mental case wouldn't know if you were up him
>> until you pulled out and let the cold air rush in. Ford doesn't do
>> their own
>
> You seem to have a lot of *experience* with that!
>
>> RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
>> separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado. The
>
> Yep, RMA Automotive. Pretty sure I mentioned that in my original post
> on this topic.
>
> >>> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the
> >>> company contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>
> Yup, above is what I wrote!
This is noddy stupidity for you. he has ppl blocked so he only gets half
> On 21/1/2024 8:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>> As usual the fucking mental case wouldn't know if you were up him
>> until you pulled out and let the cold air rush in. Ford doesn't do
>> their own
>
> You seem to have a lot of *experience* with that!
>
>> RHD conversion on F series trucks. The conversions are handled by a
>> separate company, as they are for the Dodge Ram and Chev Silverado. The
>
> Yep, RMA Automotive. Pretty sure I mentioned that in my original post
> on this topic.
>
> >>> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the
> >>> company contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>
> Yup, above is what I wrote!
the story, but he comments anyway, so in many cases his comments are
irrelevant or superfluous.
>
>> steering shaft drop out is a pretty major fuck up,
>
> Pretty major? It's positively damn *disastrous*! That sort of screw up
> *kills people*.
>
>> but at least they're on it straight away and doing something about it.
>
> It's a bit hard to linger longer with a screw up like that. Only needs
> one and there'll be recalls all round. At least it'll be the F150
> bogans driving around in trepidation instead of (as well as?) the
> general public being confronted with the hulksters.
>>
>> If it were Toyota you'd have to take a class action against the cunts
>> to get them to even admit that there's an issue that needs to be
>> addressed :)
>>
> As I *intimated*, bit hard to hide something like that. Properly
> operating steering, like brakes, are a bit, umm, *fundamental*! You
> notice *instantly* when it's not happening for you.
>
> My god, you really are thick, eh?
>
Mighty Mouse
Jan 21, 2024, 9:15:55 PMJan 21
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Xeno wrote:
> On 21/1/2024 12:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the
>>>> rack while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try
>>>> to hide it as a service rework or blame the customer this time.
>>>> That's progress.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>>
>>> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
>>> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>>
>>> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>>>
>>> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD conversion on the Tundra too but are
>>> not rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid
>>> I guess.
>>>
>>
>> a mate of mine won't buy anything except Toyota, and his kids too
>>
> He buys his kids? That's novel!
>
some places even give them away for free!.. eg:
> On 21/1/2024 12:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 20/1/2024 12:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> Typical Ford 'quality'... intermediate shaft detaching from the
>>>> rack while driving sounds like fun. I'm surprised Ford didn't try
>>>> to hide it as a service rework or blame the customer this time.
>>>> That's progress.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005876
>>>
>>> It looks like the real issue is at RMA Automotive, the company
>>> contracted to do the RHD to LHD conversions.
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember MG having this issue :-)
>>>>
>>> Heritage, the MG was originally designed by Poms for the world market.
>>>
>>> Toyota is doing the RHD to LHD conversion on the Tundra too but are
>>> not rushing into it. The Ford experience is what they want to avoid
>>> I guess.
>>>
>>
>> a mate of mine won't buy anything except Toyota, and his kids too
>>
> He buys his kids? That's novel!
>
https://www.zoo.org.au/kids-visit-free/
:)
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