Fake number plates.
Noodle
The NSW RTA charges $600 for re-Pressing my existing number plates in
a small font and Black backgrouns, than an annual fee of $200 per
year.
What is stopping me from re-pressing my own, existing number plates in
China, and then putting them on my car, for a one-off payment of $20?
NSW Police don't care what kind of number plate type they are, as long
as they are your legally Registered and legitimate numerals and
digits.
Has anyone else done this?
Noodle.
Noodle
The NSW RTA charges $600 for re-Pressing my existing number plates in
a small font and Black background, than an annual fee of $200 per
atec77
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Noodle
> there is bound to be some arcane rule that you have to buy them from the
> big blue gangs supplier
Sure, there probably is a law.
However, has anyone actually (illegally) tried to affix plates that
are *NOT* bought from the RTA, and got away with it?
Since NSW Police don't know, it is easily to disguise - as long as the
actual numbers and letters belong to you car, and the car is
Registered.
Has anyone tried this?
Sylvia Else
It's good for a $2200 fine.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s85.html
Whether you'd ever get caught is another matter.
Given the propensity of the police to prosecute every conceivable
offence that the facts could represent, not matter how far the meaning
has to be stretched, the police would probably try to get you on a
forgery offence as well. See
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s250.html
and following sections.
Sylvia.
Scotty
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But surely YOU OWN the rights to display that specific combination or alpha/numeric characters.
Whether or not the plates where manufactured off shore should be immaterial.
I've seen plenty of Hotrods that are registered displaying USA plates. I can only recall one that I
noted that the rego sticker matched, that's only because he pulled up at the carpark off a public
road and parked next to where I did. It was Californian plates or something. Cant remember what the
plate was but it was something like SLUG or SLEAD or whatever. I would've thought that if the
registration matched then he would be okay.
Of course somewhere someone would've done the dirty and screwed it for anyone else and its most
likely law that this is not allowed.
Toby Ponsenby
postulated:
> Of course somewhere someone would've done the dirty and screwed it for anyone else and its most
> likely law that this is not allowed.
Err, whaat??
Are you suggesting Laws are cooked up by the cunts
we elect because "someone" "somewhere" did the
dirty?
I call bullshit.
The statutes as invented by GovCo are the dirty
bits.
Always.
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cliche of "speaking truth to power" -- that we so
desperately need.
There's no point in speaking truth to power --
power already knows the truth of its monstrous
crimes,
Sylvia Else
The law is what the law says. Just follow the words in 85(1)(a). Is
there a number plate affixed? Yes. Was it issued by the authority? No.
Then pay the fine.
> I've seen plenty of Hotrods that are registered displaying USA plates. I can only recall one that I
> noted that the rego sticker matched, that's only because he pulled up at the carpark off a public
> road and parked next to where I did. It was Californian plates or something. Cant remember what the
> plate was but it was something like SLUG or SLEAD or whatever. I would've thought that if the
> registration matched then he would be okay.
There are provisions for the RTA to issue special number plates, so the
plates you saw may have been issued by the RTA, despite their
appearance. I dare see extorting money from Hotrod owners on that basis
would be a nice little earner for the government, and said owners would
discover they had no political leverage.
Sylvia.
Noodle
> I've seen plenty of Hotrods that are registered displaying USA plates. I can only recall one that I
> noted that the rego sticker matched, that's only because he pulled up at the carpark off a public
> road and parked next to where I did. It was Californian plates or something. Cant remember what the
> plate was but it was something like SLUG or SLEAD or whatever. I would've thought that if the
> registration matched then he would be okay.
Illegal.
As Sylvia kindly pointed out:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s85.html
"
(1) The driver of a registrable vehicle is guilty of an offence if the
vehicle is used on a road or in a road related area:
(a) with a number-plate affixed that was not issued by the Authority
or was not issued for that vehicle, or
"
The law was changed in 2007; I think they put this Clause in
specifically to stop cheap Chinese-imports of number plates & force us
to use the NSW RTA and their Queensland-based number plate
manufacturer by Tender - Imagesys Ltd.
Noodle
> The law is what the law says. Just follow the words in 85(1)(a). Is
> there a number plate affixed? Yes. Was it issued by the authority? No.
> Then pay the fine.
My question now is:
"Do NSW Police ANPR's detect if a Plate is a 'custom design' one or
not?"
"Will NSW Police's onboard terminals flag if a Plate is a 'custom
design' on or not, if an Officer manually types in the Plate?"
Is this one of the things that will BEEP when an ANPR goes past it?
Does anyone know?
Preferably a NSW Police officer with experience with the terminals.
Sylvia Else
> Hello.
>
>> I've seen plenty of Hotrods that are registered displaying USA plates. I can only recall one that I
>> noted that the rego sticker matched, that's only because he pulled up at the carpark off a public
>> road and parked next to where I did. It was Californian plates or something. Cant remember what the
>> plate was but it was something like SLUG or SLEAD or whatever. I would've thought that if the
>> registration matched then he would be okay.
>
> Illegal.
>
> As Sylvia kindly pointed out:
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr2007478/s85.html
> "
> (1) The driver of a registrable vehicle is guilty of an offence if the
> vehicle is used on a road or in a road related area:
> (a) with a number-plate affixed that was not issued by the Authority
> or was not issued for that vehicle, or
> "
>
> The law was changed in 2007; I think they put this Clause in
> to use the NSW RTA and their Queensland-based number plate
> manufacturer by Tender - Imagesys Ltd.
The previous regulation, made in 1998, had the same provision.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
> Hi, Sylvia.
>
>> The law is what the law says. Just follow the words in 85(1)(a). Is
>> there a number plate affixed? Yes. Was it issued by the authority? No.
>> Then pay the fine.
>
> My question now is:
>
> "Do NSW Police ANPR's detect if a Plate is a 'custom design' one or
> not?"
I would be astonished if it could tell.
Sylvia.
Noodle
> > "Do NSW Police ANPR's detect if a Plate is a 'custom design' one or
> > not?"
> I would be astonished if it could tell.
Me too.
However, it has to pick up 20+ types of NSW number plates, or all
sizes and descriptions.
It wouldn't surprise me if the USA-based designers of the system also
tallied up a 1-to-1 on "RTA-Plate-Type" to Registration.
Epsilon
Unlikely to be a forgery-type offence. The required dishonest intention
doesn't exist.
Sylvia Else
> Hi, Sylvia.
>
>>> "Do NSW Police ANPR's detect if a Plate is a 'custom design' one or
>>> not?"
>> I would be astonished if it could tell.
>
> Me too.
>
> However, it has to pick up 20+ types of NSW number plates, or all
> sizes and descriptions.
That rather suggests that the designers would have concentrated on
recognising the digits, which was surely their design goal. The purpose
was, after all, to catch people driving unregistered or stolen vehicles,
not to spot a few people committing the essentially victimless crime of
having a non-RTA produced plate that shows the correct number.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
Dishonest intent to avoid paying the fine? I agree it's a stretch, but
that doesn't seem to stop the police trying it on in other areas.
Sylvia.
Trevor Wilson
**Sure. I've seen dozens (possibly hundreds) of the things. The police don't
seem to care all that much. One of my mates has personalised number plates
on his Merc. When I challenged him on it, he claimed that he's been driving
with them for a couple of decades without any problems. Mind you: He is a
careful, conservative driver and is very unlikely to draw attention to
hiumself. I suspect that if he was caught violating a traffic law, the cops
would immediately take careful note of his illegal plates and throw the book
at him. His plates are very clearly and obviously dodgy. I reckon if you
used plates that were almost identical to the originals, you'd be as safe as
houses.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
atec77
so in your legal opinion and based on your advice he is safe ?
inducement to commit noted
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Noodle
> When I challenged him on it, he claimed that he's been driving
> with them for a couple of decades without any problems.
Cool! And this is in NSW?
> I reckon if you used plates that were almost identical to the originals, you'd be as safe as
> houses.
I agree.
I reckon making one yourself (illegally, via a tradie machining shop,
etc) is better than paying through the nose, especially when a Third-
Party (NOT the RTA) now gets most of the money ("Plate Marketing
Licensys Pty Ltd"):
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/2010_09_numberplatesfaqs.html
Trevor Wilson
> Hello.
>
>> When I challenged him on it, he claimed that he's been driving
>> with them for a couple of decades without any problems.
>
> Cool! And this is in NSW?
**Indeed.
>
>> I reckon if you used plates that were almost identical to the
>> originals, you'd be as safe as houses.
>
> I agree.
>
> I reckon making one yourself (illegally, via a tradie machining shop,
> etc) is better than paying through the nose, especially when a Third-
> Party (NOT the RTA) now gets most of the money ("Plate Marketing
> Licensys Pty Ltd"):
>
> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/2010_09_numberplatesfaqs.html
**Good luck with that. It would not be my choice. I'd rather stick to the
letter of the law. I see no point in pissing off coppers needlessly.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
John_H
>
>In South Australia years ago, you could get your own plates made up by
>whoever did it
When I lived there SA had by far the best system in the country and
they'd need to be totally stupid to change it to what other states do.
>You got the registration number from the RTA or whatever department is was,
>and go to this tradie and they would make up a plate to suit
>I liked the black plastic numbers on white plastic background
In SA the proof of registration is the sticker (in other states it's
the official number plates). Once their Registrar of Motor Vehicles
issues the rego sticker you can get the plates from wherever you like
(there are numerous suppliers) or have them painted straight onto the
vehicle if that's what you fancy. Adelaide buses all had the rego
numbers painted on, as did police vehicles IIRC.
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Noodle
> **Good luck with that. It would not be my choice. I'd rather stick to the
> letter of the law. I see no point in pissing off coppers needlessly.
I refuse to pay a very big initial fee, then a yearly fee, forever, to
any NSW Government authority. A total of $5,000 or more, for 10
years.
If they made it a reasonable one-off fee of $100, I would pay it.
So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
Epsilon
No. As is usual in forgery offences, there has to be a subjective dishonest
intention -
(i) to obtain any property belonging to another, or
(ii) to obtain any financial advantage or cause any financial
disadvantage, or
(iii) to influence the exercise of a public duty.
Sylvia Else
Bear in mind that the discussion here relates to the police inclination
to attempt prosecutions where the alleged facts really don't support the
charge.
I can easily imagine Inspector Plod thinking that a case can be made
under (iii) - the influence being that the copper won't stop the vehicle
in respect of a number plate offence.
Presumably such a case wouldn't proceed to trial, but it could make the
alleged offender very uncomfortable for a while.
Sylvia.
Epsilon
Maybe. But forgery is quite a serious offence, and any prosecution would be
handled by the DPP. It's unlikely that the police involved in traffic
offences would have any idea about the law of forgery.
atec77
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F Murtz
the personalized plate or are you just going to invent your own plate
no. or word and bung it on your car.
Noodle
> > So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
> How are you going to do that? You would have to pay the fee to register
> the personalized plate or are you just going to invent your own plate
> no. or word and bung it on your car.
No.
My current plate is "AI-39-CX".
I will make it a Red-on-White-background "AI-39-CX", from my friend's
machininh workshop down the road, for $60.
Just like the $600 RTA one:
http://www.myplates.com.au/hintsandtips/images/formats/standard_content.jpg
Toby Ponsenby
postulated:
err, Driving and unregistered vehicle is not a
victimless "crime"?? Since when?
I've also grave doubts about driving a 'stolen'
vehicle being anything other than victimless IF
the owner of said vehicle believes they own the
damm thing and can prove they paid for it.
See how the language used by GovCo works a
treat:-)
Interestingly, the word victimless associated with
statute contravention of any kind is almost NEVER
used by GovCo.
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D Walford
> Hello.
>
>> **Good luck with that. It would not be my choice. I'd rather stick to the
>> letter of the law. I see no point in pissing off coppers needlessly.
>
> I refuse to pay a very big initial fee, then a yearly fee, forever, to
> any NSW Government authority. A total of $5,000 or more, for 10
> years.
>
Which very easy to avoid by just fitting the plates they issue for your
car, don't know about NSW but in Vic rego plates cost about $20.00
unless you want something different, fucked if know why anyone would
bother with personalised plates.
> If they made it a reasonable one-off fee of $100, I would pay it.
>
> So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
Enjoy the fine then.
Daryl
Sylvia Else
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 00:14:06 +1100, Sylvia Else
> postulated:
>
>> On 10/10/2010 11:45 PM, Noodle wrote:
>>> Hi, Sylvia.
>>>
>>>>> "Do NSW Police ANPR's detect if a Plate is a 'custom design' one or
>>>>> not?"
>>>> I would be astonished if it could tell.
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> However, it has to pick up 20+ types of NSW number plates, or all
>>> sizes and descriptions.
>>
>> That rather suggests that the designers would have concentrated on
>> recognising the digits, which was surely their design goal. The purpose
>> was, after all, to catch people driving unregistered or stolen vehicles,
>> not to spot a few people committing the essentially victimless crime of
>> having a non-RTA produced plate that shows the correct number.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> err, Driving and unregistered vehicle is not a
> victimless "crime"?? Since when?
If they're unregistered, then they have no third party insurance.
They're forcing the taxpayer to carry the risk of having to compensate
third party accident victims. Unlawfully forcing people to do for free
something that they'd normally expect to be paid for is no different
from stealing money from them.
> I've also grave doubts about driving a 'stolen'
> vehicle being anything other than victimless IF
> the owner of said vehicle believes they own the
> damm thing and can prove they paid for it.
They would have registered it, then, and the situation wouldn't arise.
In any case, I'm not sure what point you're making. The fact that in a
small number of cases the person stopped would not be committing an
offence doesn't alter the fact that most people stopped in cars that
have been reported stolen would know very well that the vehicle belongs
to someone else.
Sylvia.
Toby Ponsenby
postulated:
Still victimless. No argument.
This is the pre-emptive theory of Law Breaking.
And it doesn't wash - even if it IS as common as
dirt.
>> I've also grave doubts about driving a 'stolen'
>> vehicle being anything other than victimless IF
>> the owner of said vehicle believes they own the
>> damm thing and can prove they paid for it.
>
> They would have registered it, then, and the situation wouldn't arise.
> In any case, I'm not sure what point you're making. The fact that in a
> small number of cases the person stopped would not be committing an
> offence doesn't alter the fact that most people stopped in cars that
> have been reported stolen would know very well that the vehicle belongs
> to someone else.
Which is why REVS has to be fired up at enormous
expense. Of Course.
>
> Sylvia.
George W Frost
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Thanks John for the update
I didn't know all the details of the system
Trevor Wilson
"D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On 11/10/2010 9:59 AM, Noodle wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>>> **Good luck with that. It would not be my choice. I'd rather stick to
>>> the
>>> letter of the law. I see no point in pissing off coppers needlessly.
>>
>> I refuse to pay a very big initial fee, then a yearly fee, forever, to
>> any NSW Government authority. A total of $5,000 or more, for 10
>> years.
>>
>
> Which very easy to avoid by just fitting the plates they issue for your
> car, don't know about NSW but in Vic rego plates cost about $20.00 unless
> you want something different, fucked if know why anyone would bother with
> personalised plates.
**Agreed. It is an odd thing to do.
>
>
>> If they made it a reasonable one-off fee of $100, I would pay it.
>>
>> So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
>
> Enjoy the fine then.
**This is NSW. The police have no care for any of the following:
* Nonsensically noisy vehicles (which are illegal).
* Illegal 'bull bars' fitted to vehicles.
* Number plate covers (which are illegal).
* Vehicles fitted with very dark window tinting (which is illegal).
* Vehicles fitted with advertsing covering the back window (which should be
illegal).
The police only care about fining people who are travelling slightly too
fast (often safely) on the roads. Number plates are well down the priority
list.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
hippo
>
> Hello.
>
> > > So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
> > How are you going to do that? You would have to pay the fee to register
> > the personalized plate or are you just going to invent your own plate
> > no. or word and bung it on your car.
>
> No.
>
> My current plate is "AI-39-CX".
>
> I will make it a Red-on-White-background "AI-39-CX", from my friend's
> machininh workshop down the road, for $60.
>
> Just like the $600 RTA one:
>
>
>
>
Reflective too?
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Noodle
> If they're unregistered, then they have no third party insurance.
> They're forcing the taxpayer to carry the risk of having to compensate
> third party accident victims.
Actually, No.
I'm surprised, Sylvia, that you don't know about the NSW MAA "Nominal
Defendant" scheme, with your otherwise Encyclopedic level of
knowledge. Google it, please.
An Insurer is randomly picked out of a hat, and they are completely
responsible for paying 100% of all costs to fix up third-party
accident victims.
The NSW Government (aka Taxpayers) *NEVER* pay.
(The Insurer, later, sues the uninsured driver for $50 million+).
Noodle.
Sylvia Else
> Hello, Sylvia.
>
>> If they're unregistered, then they have no third party insurance.
>> They're forcing the taxpayer to carry the risk of having to compensate
>> third party accident victims.
>
> Actually, No.
>
> I'm surprised, Sylvia, that you don't know about the NSW MAA "Nominal
> Defendant" scheme, with your otherwise Encyclopedic level of
> knowledge. Google it, please.
>
> An Insurer is randomly picked out of a hat, and they are completely
> responsible for paying 100% of all costs to fix up third-party
> accident victims.
No, they're only responsible for administration. Payment is made from
the Nominal Defendant's fund.
That fund is financed by levies on premiums.
So strictly speaking, you're correct that it is not taxpayers in the
normal sense, though a levy on premiums is a tax by any other name. The
effect is to transfer the risks associated with unregistered drivers to
policy holders collectively.
The nominal defendant can sue to recover amounts paid out, but it's
rarely likely to be worthwhile. With the exception of occasional lapses
on the part of car owners, those who drive unregistered vehicles rarely
have assets that make them worth suing.
Sylvia.
George W Frost
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>
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4cb2e2a0$0$30000$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 11/10/2010 9:59 AM, Noodle wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>>> **Good luck with that. It would not be my choice. I'd rather stick to
>>>> the
>>>> letter of the law. I see no point in pissing off coppers needlessly.
>>>
>>> I refuse to pay a very big initial fee, then a yearly fee, forever, to
>>> any NSW Government authority. A total of $5,000 or more, for 10
>>> years.
>>>
>>
>> Which very easy to avoid by just fitting the plates they issue for your
>> car, don't know about NSW but in Vic rego plates cost about $20.00 unless
>> you want something different, fucked if know why anyone would bother with
>> personalised plates.
>
> **Agreed. It is an odd thing to do.
>
>>
>>
>>> If they made it a reasonable one-off fee of $100, I would pay it.
>>>
>>> So, I'll just make my own Plate, thank you very much.
>>
>> Enjoy the fine then.
>
> **This is NSW. The police have no care for any of the following:
>
> * Nonsensically noisy vehicles (which are illegal).
They are illegal
> * Illegal 'bull bars' fitted to vehicles.
Not illegal yet.
> * Number plate covers (which are illegal).
Not illegal at all
> * Vehicles fitted with very dark window tinting (which is illegal).
Only if fitted to the two front windows
> * Vehicles fitted with advertsing covering the back window (which should
> be illegal).
Not illegal,
is it illegal to have a panel van with no windows, or illegal for a bus to
have advertising on the rear window
How about a truck with no rear window at all ?
>
> The police only care about fining people who are travelling slightly too
> fast (often safely) on the roads. Number plates are well down the priority
> list.
>
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
You forgot the most important one
loud audio music coming from doof doof drivers with super large speakers
bought from rage audio ?
Epsilon
If they can be found.
D Walford
but I don't understand why anyone would bother, there is nothing special
about the plate the OP posted.
Daryl
will s
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> Hello.
>
> The NSW RTA charges $600 for re-Pressing my existing number plates in
> a small font and Black background, than an annual fee of $200 per
> year.
>
> What is stopping me from re-pressing my own, existing number plates in
> China, and then putting them on my car, for a one-off payment of $20?
>
> NSW Police don't care what kind of number plate type they are, as long
> as they are your legally Registered and legitimate numerals and
> digits.
>
> Has anyone else done this?
>
> Noodle.
>
>
just having a look on rta site
http://www.myplates.com.au/products_pricing.html
and basically to restyle plates its $400 if you dont want to pay an extra
annual fee
will s
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btw: if your plate is damaged you can get it replaced cheaper .... for my
personalised plate on motorbike is only $50
Noodle
> So strictly speaking, you're correct that it is not taxpayers in the
> normal sense, though a levy on premiums is a tax by any other name.
I understand what you are saying.
But I disagree.
It is either a Tax on all; or it isn't a Tax. In my world, a
definition of Tax is pretty strict.
And this isn't a Tax.
For instance, there are some people, especially people like this
couple in Surry Hills, that no longer have a Car and, therefore, do
not pay Green Slip Insurance nor Rego, and therefore do not pay this
Levy - so they don't pay this Nominal Defendant "Clayton's Tax":
Noodle
> is it illegal to have a panel van with no windows, or illegal for a bus to
> have advertising on the rear window
Is this why State Transit & Busway Private Buses in Gosford no longer
have windows at the back:
http://www.busadvertising.com.au/advertising_options.htm#bus_backs
?
Methinks: Yes!
Sylvia Else
> Hello.
>
>> So strictly speaking, you're correct that it is not taxpayers in the
>> normal sense, though a levy on premiums is a tax by any other name.
>
> I understand what you are saying.
>
> But I disagree.
>
> It is either a Tax on all; or it isn't a Tax. In my world, a
> definition of Tax is pretty strict.
Plenty of taxes are levied only on a subset of the population. To pay
income tax you have to earn enough income. To pay capital gains tax, you
have to have a capital gain. To pay the third party insurance tax, you
have to have third party insurance. I don't see a distinction.
Sylvia.
hippo
There was a run around the early 90s where the coating faded / fell off
over time, about 90-93 or so. You can probably still get those ones
replaced for nothing as long as you accept a plate from the current issue
pool instead of your original rego #. You still could a few years back
anyway.
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They were the - DZZ to EZZ series or somewhere in between
but, there are still heaps of cars around with plates you can't read, look
like they have been sandblasted
Also the series which were done in Queensland for Victorian vehicles, were
not that crash hot
different stamping and colours
They were in the D series
F Murtz
Except it is red and they go faster. (and they are dearer)
atec77
>
> Except it is red and they go faster. (and they are dearer)
Your what is red ?
and you are cheep
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Noodle
> Plenty of taxes are levied only on a subset of the population. To pay
> income tax you have to earn enough income. To pay capital gains tax, you
> have to have a capital gain. To pay the third party insurance tax, you
> have to have third party insurance. I don't see a distinction.
Good point!
I didn't think of all those, actually.
I limp away from my tail between my legs....:-)
F Murtz
> On 13/10/2010 9:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
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>> Except it is red and they go faster. (and they are dearer)
> Your what is red ?
The ones he wanted to make on the cheap.
http://www.myplates.com.au/hintsandtips/images/formats/standard_content.jpg
> and you are cheep
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Brad
"Noodle" <ozno...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Some could learn from that little event. One person makes a statement,
another disagrees and states a reason. Original person rethinks their view
based on the newly provided reasons and decides they were not fully correct
and admits it. Really, this newsgroup would be a nicer place if there was
more of this. There is a little too much of the "You are a cunt and your
grandmothers piss flaps drag on the ground" disagreements.
Two people can have completely different views on a matter and both can
still be right. Naa both of them are bastards.
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Scotty
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Trouble is Brad is that there would be posts that actually involved cars the maintanance of etc....
couldnt have that now could we.