How would I claim an abandoned car?
Matthew Colman
of dis-repair and I am wondering how I would go about claiming the vehicle
so that I could eventually fix it and then register it. The car has Vic rego
and the we don't know who the owner is, so how would i find out who that is?
What would I have to do if we are unable to locate the owner? the car was
stored on private property and offered to me for free to take it away. A
REVS check shows that it isn't stolen but how comprehensive is a revs check?
Many questions i know but the car is of the rare variety and i'm very
interested in making this work leagally. I don't want to spend thousands on
a restoration to be told nup sorry mr/mrs bloggs wants his/her car back.
All thoughts and opinions welcomed.
Smee
ask them for details as they would be the most helpful
they can even trace the previous/current owners and then you can ask them.
dunno what else you can do but that's a legal option.
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Antti
<matthew_colman(no spam)@bigpond.com> wrote:
>What would I have to do if we are unable to locate the owner? the car was
>stored on private property and offered to me for free to take it away. A
Your friend may be able to claim it as abandoned goods. There are
steps that you will need to go through to show that you have made
reasonable efforts to contact the owner. A friend of mine did it once
to get rid of a bunch of stuff that had been left in their garage.
http://www.tuv.org.au/Abangood.htm
(though I think the requirements might vary a bit from state to state)
Antti
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Uncle Bully
> REVS check shows that it isn't stolen but how comprehensive is a revs
check?
REVS only tells you if there is money owing on the vehicle. There is no
official system to confirm if it stolen or not.
Andrew G
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Just be real careful with it.
Who offered it to you? Not the car owner I take it? If was just the property
owner that the car was stored on, then it's easy for him to say take it.
It's not his, and he gets rid of it. But you will pay the penalty if the car
owner wants it back.
I wouldn't be doing anything else other than visiting that abandoned goods
site that Antii mentioned. If you do happen to get in contact with the
owner, then fil out the appropriate change of ownership forms ASAP.
A revs check is no "legal contract" I think. Still, it may be all clear now,
but what about when you take it, and the owner finds out and possibly
reports it stolen.
A few years back an ex's father was told by his friend about a "cheap"
Torana.
It was owned by an employee of a visiting show. It had broke down about
30mins away from here, the diff centre was rooted and a rear axle was
hanging out of the housing due to a stuffed wheel bearing.
I was told for $100 I could have this car. It was 6cyl LX shape. I figured
fix it, drive it 'till rego nearly runs out, then sell it either whole or in
parts. Save clocking up K's on my car to work too. The interior was perfect,
body was stuffed.
Talked directly to the owner, he said he would come and get the money in 1
week. I got a mate to tow it home with the tilt tray, fixed it, and it was
all good. Only a few days before I rang the owner to confirm a time he would
come and visit. He asked if I liked the car and if it ran well, I said yeah.
He turned around and said he wasn't selling it now. I was fine with that, as
long as he paid me $120 (real price for tow, I got it for a carton of beer),
and $100 for the diff centre and wheel bearing. A long story short, he
argued saying he was the legal owner, and he wasn't paying squat, there was
no written contract to fix his car.....blah blah blah.. I couldn't argue
with that, but the guy was obviously a wank, and had no morals.
He didn't have my address, or number, so I told him he could get the car
from where it broke down.
Needless to say we had a hell of a time in that car taking it back to that
spot. He would have seen what that car was capable of in terms of laying
rubber at that spot, and that traumatic boxes don't handle stress to well
:-).
Bet he's wishing he paid up.
All I can say, is like you suggested, do it all legally. Not worth it
otherwise.
Good luck
Toby Ponsenby
Which of course stinks.
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Jagdriver
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to establish freehold title. What's confusing is that you say it was stored
on private property yet there's no clue as to whom the owner is?
I'd double check with your licensing body, get an answer. Then ring back and
ask the same question again. Why? Because we all know we get different
answers over simple things so if the answer is reasonable the same, you
should be clear on the path to take.
>
Johnno
> > REVS only tells you if there is money owing on the vehicle. There
> > is no official system to confirm if it stolen or not.
> Which of course stinks.
I agree.
Hey -- we're in agreement on something! Has that happened before?
IMO, vehicle registrations and road rules should be uniform nationally too;
it'd certainly make things easier for interstate drivers, and would cover
that issue of those Bleak City residents insisting on turning right from the
left lane.
J.
Uncle Bully
> >
> > REVS only tells you if there is money owing on the vehicle. There is no
> > official system to confirm if it stolen or not.
>
> Which of course stinks.
What I don't understand is why this is the case?
It wouldn't be too hard to set up a vehicle registrar with VIN, rego and
owner history, with official testing stations that can authorise additions,
modifications and removals to the database. The system would be funded by
rego and insurance since effectively a mass reduction in car theft would pay
for itself a hundred times over.
Jason James
Plus you will allways wonder if the previous owner puts in a query.
Years ago I was driving thru La Parouse (part of the heads of Botany Bay) in
Sydney which is a famous stolen car-joy rider's dumping, burnout area. The
car was a 4yo Mazda 323 burnt out body but engine bay was intact.
The temptation to nick the radiator fans was strong, but as it was in full
view of the passing traffic, and I just know I'd get dobbed in, I declined.
The car may not have been insured either, meaning the owner would be down
the cost of the fans.
Jason
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Matthew Colman
told is that the person who left it there obtained it from some one in
victoria. I've e-mailed the cops and Vic roads on what to do, but being
government agencies I don't expect a reply anytime this decade so i'll run
up the phone bill tomorrow ringing vicroads vic police and a few other
knowledgeable freinds in vic as well. The car in question is a 1975 mini
clubman panelvan in quite good nick with some cancer dud waterpump, radiator
and suspension bit called a cone which is broken. I'll do everything to try
to locate the current legal owner before claiming it for myself. I have the
chassis, engine number plus the old rego plates to help me track the owner
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Matthew Colman
to pick and choose what i want to see. Or just e-mail it to me without the
(no sopam) bit
oh and cheers for the reply
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Matthew Colman
crown.
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Matthew Colman
Harbour (mid north coast in NSW for those that don't know) and the car was
last registered in Victoria so it should make for a fun little love
triangle. I'm going on holidays up there soon as that's where my parents and
a couple of friends are so it's a funny coincidence.
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Toby Ponsenby
Something as piss simple as an extra column or so on the rego database
would do it. Add a field to a few screens, and for a little extra taxpayers
moola, a link to a collection of theft reports.
Nah, too hard?
Of course (must retain form here) that the old 'receiving' charge is
something of great delight to the courts. And they don't really want to and
chance at it go.
Imagine - the chance to nail a perfectly normal law-abiding citizen, who's
bought a car in good faith - with a record.
What more could the State want?
Heaven for the AR's that run the system.
Toby Ponsenby
> "Toby Ponsenby" <lord_p...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> REVS only tells you if there is money owing on the vehicle. There
>>> is no official system to confirm if it stolen or not.
>
>> Which of course stinks.
>
> I agree.
>
> Hey -- we're in agreement on something! Has that happened before?
Dunno. Might have accidentally let one of your posts go unanswered:-)
>
> IMO, vehicle registrations and road rules should be uniform nationally too;
> it'd certainly make things easier for interstate drivers, and would cover
> that issue of those Bleak City residents insisting on turning right from the
> left lane.
I failed to do that once...amazing watching a cop actually run after my
car, all the while thinking I was going to stop at the next red light.
>
> J.
Toby Ponsenby
Something as piss simple as an extra column or so on the rego database
would do it. Add a field to a few screens, and for a little extra taxpayers
moola, a link to a collection of theft reports.
Nah, too hard?
Of course (must retain form here) that the old 'receiving' charge is
something of great delight to the courts. And they don't really want to let
a chance at it go just because people can actually check whether goods may
be stolen.
Imagine - the chance to nail a perfectly normal law-abiding citizen, who's
bought a car in good faith - with a record.
What more could the State want?
Heaven for the AR's that run the system.
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Brett Martin
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Road rules are effectively uniform nationally. Obviously there are
exceptions (speed limits in NT). The problem is in the interpretation
and application.
As for the rego fees; hell no. They would adopt the highest, then index
them regardless of the actual revenue required (ie NSW has high rego
fees but lower stamp duty than some other states)
It would be the same as the GST intro that saw QLD compensated (lol) for
not having fuel tax prior to its introduction. Except there would be no
compenstation.
Don't give the state governments any more reasons to look at fees and
charges. Every labour government (ie all states) is having trouble with
their budgets even though they all broke promises about no new taxes or
increases (didn't include fees or statuatory charges)
Cheers
Brett
Antti
<strato...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>Unless the law has changed, it becomes property of the Crown once dumped.
If stored goods are abandoned someone's property, the property owner
may be entitled to sell the goods to recover costs. Exactly what can
and cannot be done may depend on what state you are in, though it is
also possible that cars can be handled differently to general goods
(because they are registered).
I was also thinking that it might be worth calling a storage place and
asking them what they do with abandoned cars.