Link between Bulger and Perth Murder
Wally Muhedine
happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let
you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel SOB murderer.
About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out
that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James
Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped
and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to
Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story
short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his
grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a
house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this
it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of
prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he
assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and
consequently came to Hakea prison but for only about 6 weeks as
they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was
brushed under the mat.
His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the
computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mumma at the
Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because
I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell
them, stuff the prisons!!
I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in
Canning Vale!
Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be
interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K.
and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with
a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel arsehole was
allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he
was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the
police done something about this - he should not be allowed to
breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would
be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a
reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!
That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be
the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and
Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for
paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where
they're living and yet this piece of shit can live on our back door step
with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants,
what about this?
It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few
days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the
country in the same manner he was bought here, then again
knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice
system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to
feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their
minds that they can rehabilitate him!
I was just going to type "sorry " but I'm not at all sorry for
alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.
Andy
boy you are in the shit
Hot and Sexy Blonde Goat
evidence that the kid killers are in OZ. Doesnt stop this dante guy
being a vile piece of slime that deserves a life sentence in Jail...
Far worse for him than a quick death..
Sylvia Else
> Wally Muhedine wrote:
>
>
>>I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has
>>happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let
>>you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel SOB murderer.
>>About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out
>>that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James
>>Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped
>>and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to
>>Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story
>>short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his
>>grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a
>>house in Canning Vale.
>
>
> <
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Perth-accused-not-Bulger-killer-police/2006/06/28/1151174247528.html >
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zpv43
>
>
>
Here is an even more unequivoal denial
Wally Muhedine
I apologise for any hurt caused.
I wish I had done a 'Chock' and kept my promise not to post this.
TIA I AAW
Bobbers
I wouldn't like to say either way, but *if* he was one of the killers,
they would *have* to deny it for fear of biasing the trial (not to
mention the public outcry!).
There are some intriguing, if co-incidental, links: Dante Arthurs moved
to Perth from England in 2001, the year that Venables and Thompson were
released, and it was strongly rumoured that at least one of them had
been relocated, of all places, to Australia. He's also about the right
age - both Venables and Thompson are currently 22, however they'd have
given them new birth dates with their new identities. Both victims
were taken from under their families noses in shopping centres.
Wouldn't it be easier to abduct a child somewhere isolated, like a
park? Why do it right there in a busy shopping centre?
Bobbers
I wouldn't like to say either way, but *if* he was one of the killers,
Noddy
"Wally Muhedine" <sex...@work.com> wrote in message
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> I wish I had done a 'Chock' and kept my promise not to post this.
I wish you'd not been a fuckwit and cross posted it into 5 different groups
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Wally Muhedine
Name suits you
"Noddy" <dg4...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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Caitlin
"Bobbers" <bob.al...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And how many 22 year olds do you think immigrated from the UK in 2001?
Probably 1000's.
Wally Muhedine
"Caitlin" <caitlin_on...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44a2805e$0$75311$c30e...@ken-reader.news.telstra.net...
How many of these 1000's have a prior conviction for picking up a child at
at a shopping centre and murdering them??
sophi...@1webmail.net
What is this a trick question? Because the answer is Zero because you
would not be allowed into the country. For an example, lets look at
the two murderers of James Bulger who still live in North West England
(one with his boyfriend).
Fraser Johnston
<sophi...@1webmail.net> wrote in message
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I couldn't imagine them getting a visa into the country. We used to
Englands dumping ground for crims but that was a long time ago.
Fraser
Wally Muhedine
Wow I hope you have proof to back this acusation, leave him alone he served
his time like a man
Next you will say he is David on big brother
princeandy
commited the crime. Makes him 23-24?
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/21/bulger.overview/
But what an absolutely disgusting shit.
I hope he does not get one of those judges that that seem to think a slap on
the wrist is good for anything.
"Dyna Soar" <dynasoarR...@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:4gf8tkF...@individual.net...
> Wally Muhedine wrote:
>
> > I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has
> > happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let
> > you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel SOB murderer.
> > About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out
> > that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James
> > Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped
> > and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to
> > Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story
> > short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his
> > grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a
> > house in Canning Vale.
>
> <
>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Perth-accused-not-Bulger-killer-polic
e/2006/06/28/1151174247528.html >
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zpv43
>
>
>
> --
> Dyna
>
> All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.
>
>
Mark
Another poster posted these links:
http://www.karisable.com/ThompsonVenables.jpg
http://www.thewestaustralian.com.au/pictures/100-gen28dante.jpg
damnfine
> About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out
> that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James
> Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped
> and murdered him,
James Bulger wasn't raped.
> had reached the age of 18
"About three years ago" Thompson and Venables were 20-21.
--
damnfine
Sylvia Else
>>Here is an even more unequivoal denial
>>
>>http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1674162.htm
>
>
> I wouldn't like to say either way, but *if* he was one of the killers,
> they would *have* to deny it for fear of biasing the trial (not to
> mention the public outcry!).
I don't think the Government would make a denial in such terms if it
were false. They would equivocate - they'd say something like "it is
contrary to public policy to allow such people into the country."
Sylvia.
damnfine
> There are some intriguing, if co-incidental, links: Dante Arthurs moved
> to Perth from England in 2001, the year that Venables and Thompson were
> released, and it was strongly rumoured that at least one of them had
> been relocated, of all places, to Australia. He's also about the right
> age - both Venables and Thompson are currently 22
They were both born in 1982.
--
damnfine
damnfine
> Another poster posted these links:
>
> http://www.karisable.com/ThompsonVenables.jpg
> http://www.thewestaustralian.com.au/pictures/100-gen28dante.jpg
Wow, and check this out!
http://www.thewestaustralian.com.au/pictures/100-gen28dante.jpg
The plot thickens!!!
--
damnfine
Fish!
01.iinet.net.au>, damn...@gmail.com says...
he was 'raped' with a battery.
artie morty
Rape is to physically force another person to have sexual intercourse.
Having a battery stuck up one's bottom, as in this case, seems more
along the lines of induced torture, carried out by a couple of
mentally challenged sicko's.
Probably along the same lines as torturing a pet cat just to see what
happens.
I wonder if the 2 boys admitted if there was were some perverted
sexual connotations involved.
Either way, they should have been locked away for life with no parole,
ever, or executed if the death penalty was appropriate.
Artie...
damnfine
> he was 'raped' with a battery.
That was a media invention.
--
damnfine
atec77
>>
>> he was 'raped' with a battery.
>
> Rape is to physically force another person to have sexual intercourse.
Ignoring and removing the xpost .. looking at Websters it emphasis's
the force element far more , I suggest this bloke has little clue about
being de-flowed with force... perhaps if he was e-mailed large
quantity's of other useless information ?
>
>
> Artie...
Fish!
01.iinet.net.au>, damn...@gmail.com says...
O.
What a strange thing to fabricate.
Bobbers
Sorry, you're right damnfine - August 1982, which makes them 23 right
now.
Apparently, Dante Arthurs and Robert Thompson have the same birthday.
So you have a guy who moved to WA from England the year that Thompson
was released, share the same birthday (that's a 0.27% possibilty), and
were involved in the murders of children taken from under their
families nose in shopping centres.
As one source in England said, "If it were true it would bring down the
Government". So if it were true, do you think they'd admit it? Just
to clarify, I'm not convinced that he is Thompson - I just think it's
an interesting point. Thompson is *somewhere* on planet Earth, why not
WA? And remember, the argument that it is him is just as baseless as
the argument that it isn't.
Fish!
bob.al...@gmail.com says...
go to www.snopes.com and see why it's not him.
veritas
You're probably right - but I'll keep my eye on the subject for a while yet ;-)
buddha
Bobbers wrote:
> Apparently, Dante Arthurs and Robert Thompson have the same birthday.
Can you point to any links where this is established?
Stephen X. Carter
In court this morning the prosecution (who I trust more than any
politician or newspaper) stated explicitly that based on fingerprint
evidence, that Arthurs is NOT one of the two Liverpool murderers.
--
steve.hat.stephencarter.not.com.but.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
damnfine
>> > he was 'raped' with a battery.
>>
>> That was a media invention.
>
>
> What a strange thing to fabricate.
Indeed. Stealing AA batteries was the first crime those boys committed on
that day, so I guess they put two and two together...
--
damnfine
Arthur Brain
damnfine wrote:
> "Fish!" wrote:
> >> > he was 'raped' with a battery.
> >> That was a media invention.
> > What a strange thing to fabricate.
> Indeed. Stealing AA batteries was the first crime those boys committed on
> that day, so I guess they put two and two together...
....and made 6 volts?
brucevaine
havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
birthcertificates and all the rest?" - new identities would include
fake documents, photo ids and all the rest, so i think a published
birth certificate doesnt mean much..
Just looking at the photos - they both have dark hair and big ears -
and you can see a similarity. - The retort that has been put in the
press " Please stop rumours becuase you will biase a trial", doesnt
really say - the guy is not the same as the buldger murderer, here is
all the proof..
I think theres a chance it is the same bloke - and the government are
sh*tting their pants that it will come out...
_____
Dyna Soar wrote:
> And Dante Wyndham Arthurs was born in Perth (Subiaco) W.A.on 6th August
> 1984. The "West Australian" today published a copy of his birth notice (as
> originally published in the "West Australian" in 1984). The family shifted
> to the UK and then back to Perth.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l8pg3
Stephen X. Carter
wrote:
>Um,
>
>havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
>
>Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
>birthcertificates and all the rest?" - new identities would include
>fake documents, photo ids and all the rest, so i think a published
>birth certificate doesnt mean much..
>
>Just looking at the photos - they both have dark hair and big ears -
>and you can see a similarity. - The retort that has been put in the
>press " Please stop rumours becuase you will biase a trial", doesnt
>really say - the guy is not the same as the buldger murderer, here is
>all the proof..
>
>I think theres a chance it is the same bloke - and the government are
>sh*tting their pants that it will come out...
Assuming it's not some complicated double bluff conspiracy.... how do
you account for today's Court statement(s) that his fingerprints don't
match?
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1674874.htm>
Toby Ponsenby
Ditto.
Interesting information has appeared that suggests that the accused in
this case had a 'situation' in 2003 where he was arrested? for
something similar but probably without the murder but police blew it
big time as the prosecutor decided against going to trial.
Something about over-vigourous questioning or similar.
That story appeared IIRC on Tuesday and disappeared from the news
broadcasts very quickly indeed. No wonder - on several counts.
So, we have either GovCo at fault for importing a villain, AND/OR
GovCo at fault for failing to nail a villain when to all intents and
purposes, it should have managed to at least get this character locked
up for a period that included 'today'.
Whichever way that all pans out, it's all an extremely nasty business.
And as you say, well worth watching very carefully.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur
brucevaine
discussing the point at hand. You dont think its possible for the
government to issue names and numbers to people that have previously
lived. So many people disappear every year, would it be difficult to
give a 'new identity with old names?"
Check this link from a website chock full of the bulger murder.. read
RIGHT above the "Are they Rehabilitated?" headline
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/young/bulger/9.html
______________________
Dyna Soar wrote:
> brucevaine wrote:
>
> > Um,
>
> > havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
>
> > Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
> > birthcertificates and all the rest?" - new identities would include
> > fake documents, photo ids and all the rest, so i think a published
> > birth certificate doesnt mean much..
>
> You don't read too well, do you!
> It wasn't a *birth certificate* that was published today, but a 21 year old
> *birth notice* announcement that's available in the local newspaper's
> archives for anyone who wishes to see it.
>
> Or are you suggesting that there was a conspiracy commenced nearly 22 years
> ago to cover the Bulger death and a possible re-location of the murders a
> number of years in the future?
>
> Your tin-foil hat is slipping, Einstein!!!
>
> > Just looking at the photos - they both have dark hair and big ears -
> > and you can see a similarity. - The retort that has been put in the
> > press " Please stop rumours becuase you will biase a trial", doesnt
> > really say - the guy is not the same as the buldger murderer, here is
> > all the proof..
>
> > I think theres a chance it is the same bloke - and the government are
> > sh*tting their pants that it will come out...
>
> Bullshit! You keep saying "I think", but your whole post shows that
> thinking is way near the bottom of any activities you may be undertaking.
SKD
Dyna Soar wrote:
> brucevaine wrote:
>
>
> > havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
>
> > Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
> > birthcertificates and all the rest?" - new identities would include
> > fake documents, photo ids and all the rest, so i think a published
> > birth certificate doesnt mean much..
>
> It wasn't a *birth certificate* that was published today, but a 21 year old
> *birth notice* announcement that's available in the local newspaper's
> archives for anyone who wishes to see it.
Do you think faking an id when professionally done, be so pathetic that
it would get that easily undone? Read something like day of the jackal
for a quick primer.
>
> Or are you suggesting that there was a conspiracy commenced nearly 22 years
> ago to cover the Bulger death and a possible re-location of the murders a
> number of years in the future?
No, the post says nothing to suggest any of this.
>
> Your tin-foil hat is slipping, Einstein!!!
>
Yes and try taking off yours. Real world ain't as simple as it seems to
you with it on.
> > Just looking at the photos - they both have dark hair and big ears -
> > and you can see a similarity. - The retort that has been put in the
> > press " Please stop rumours becuase you will biase a trial", doesnt
> > really say - the guy is not the same as the buldger murderer, here is
> > all the proof..
>
> > I think theres a chance it is the same bloke - and the government are
> > sh*tting their pants that it will come out...
>
> Bullshit! You keep saying "I think", but your whole post shows that
> thinking is way near the bottom of any activities you may be undertaking.
>
David
>Um,
>
>havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
>
>Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
>birthcertificates and all the rest?" - new identities would include
>fake documents, photo ids and all the rest, so i think a published
>birth certificate doesnt mean much..
>
It was not a birth certificate. It was the notice which appeared in
the paper when he was born.
>Just looking at the photos - they both have dark hair and big ears -
>and you can see a similarity. - The retort that has been put in the
>press " Please stop rumours becuase you will biase a trial", doesnt
>really say - the guy is not the same as the buldger murderer, here is
>all the proof..
>
>I think theres a chance it is the same bloke - and the government are
>sh*tting their pants that it will come out...
>
Then stop trying to cause an aborted trial. The evidence shown does
not show that they are the same.
>
>
>
>_____
>Dyna Soar wrote:
>> buddha wrote:
>>
>> > Bobbers wrote:
>>
>> >> Apparently, Dante Arthurs and Robert Thompson have the same birthday.
>>
>> > Can you point to any links where this is established?
>>
>> And Dante Wyndham Arthurs was born in Perth (Subiaco) W.A.on 6th August
>> 1984. The "West Australian" today published a copy of his birth notice (as
>> originally published in the "West Australian" in 1984). The family shifted
>> to the UK and then back to Perth.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/l8pg3
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dyna
>>
>> All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.
--
David
At the bottom of the application where it says
"sign here". I put "Sagittarius"
Calvin
"brucevaine" <delt...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1151575751....@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Um,
>
> havent posted for a while - but this topic is interesting..
>
> Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
> birthcertificates and all the rest?" -
And new fingerprints?
cheers,
calvin
Bobbers
> > Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
> > birthcertificates and all the rest?" -
>
> And new fingerprints?
>
> cheers,
> calvin
New fingerprints: If you were going to give someone a new identity, the
first thing you'd do is alter the record of their prints. So Arthurs'
prints don't match those on record for Thompson, but how do we know
they're Thompson's to begin with? Or, how do we know they're not
simply denying that they're his?
Birth certificate and birth notice: People steal identities all the
time by using the birth certificates of babies who died very young. If
you were going to give someone a new identity, you might start with the
history of somebody else.
Hot and Sexy Blonde Goat
Yes and they went back in time and changed the birth notices in the
Australian Newspaper so that it sounded more convincing.
Guys more conspiracy theory bullshit.
vk2...@yahoo.com
records of deaths I can not get any details on deaths with the name
Arthurs. Has the WA government pulled them all out to help cover up the
cover up?
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
If you try any other name you get a ling list of a few hundred, try it
for yourself.
Noddy
<vk2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151665285....@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> It is of no surprise really that if you go to this site that is the WA
> records of deaths I can not get any details on deaths with the name
> Arthurs. Has the WA government pulled them all out to help cover up the
> cover up?
>
> http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
>
> If you try any other name you get a ling list of a few hundred, try it
> for yourself.
No thanks.
I have a life....
--
Regards,
Noddy.
mandala
vk2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It is of no surprise really that if you go to this site that is the WA
> records of deaths I can not get any details on deaths with the name
> Arthurs. Has the WA government pulled them all out to help cover up the
> cover up?
>
> http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
>
> If you try any other name you get a ling list of a few hundred, try it
> for yourself
Got 17 matches for Arthurs. "Arthurs" is an extremely uncommon surname
(do a search for it in each state at whitepages.com.au). It won't take
journos or anyone else investigating the case to construct the
"arthurs" family tree and determine where dante fits in, if at all.
I'd like to see the suspects' dna compared to his mother's. If they
don't match alarm bells should be ringing.
brucevaine
1. How many neighbours, past school friends, ex girlfriends, ex work
colleagues or anyone who has just "met, seen or been acquainted with "
"Arthurs" been interviewed by the media etc to say the usual " he was
such a quiet guy" or " i have known him for years" - there is an air
of ' conspiracy from the moment it was out' and the way the police &
media have responded to the conspiracy theories seem false & vague..
1. If you have a new identity - you could be given the name of someone
who had died at birth or a young age - and "assumed a previous
identity"..
2. If you are given a "New life" that means id, birthcertificates and
anything else needed.
3. How hard would it be for police/government to give the original
"bulger murders fingerprints and switch them with anyone elses" - so if
these killers were freed and recommited they can say " look at these
records of the bulger killers from 10 years, they dont match" ... not
difficult at all..
If it isnt tied -fine . But if it is - shame on the government, police
and everyone involved.
It shows little psycho's like the bulger murders should have NEVER been
released....
Killers like that do not change, grow up and play happy families
forever..
Would you want them living in your street - new identities and "newly
rehabilitated"?
I know i wouldnt
Annoying I am
Oooh that's a good one. And how do you create new fingerprints?
There's a nice shiny bridge for sale
David
typed furiously:
>> >
>> > Doesnt "relocating with new identities mean - new licenses,
>> > birthcertificates and all the rest?" -
>>
>> And new fingerprints?
>>
>> cheers,
>> calvin
>I'm not arguing for either side here, but:
>
>New fingerprints: If you were going to give someone a new identity, the
>first thing you'd do is alter the record of their prints. So Arthurs'
>prints don't match those on record for Thompson, but how do we know
>they're Thompson's to begin with? Or, how do we know they're not
>simply denying that they're his?
>
That would depend on how many copies were in existence. Too many
especially since they are in computer form with duplication and
back-up copies.
>Birth certificate and birth notice: People steal identities all the
>time by using the birth certificates of babies who died very young. If
>you were going to give someone a new identity, you might start with the
>history of somebody else.
So, search and see if Arthur's death notice appears in the paper or
are you going to claim that the Government registers some fake births
each year complete with notices in the paper just in case they are
needed.
Mark
"Annoying I am" <driedt...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:44A52F2D...@internode.on.net...
Just change the records for the old ones...
Mark
> Here's something to think about :
>
>
> 1. How many neighbours, past school friends, ex girlfriends, ex work
> colleagues or anyone who has just "met, seen or been acquainted with "
> "Arthurs" been interviewed by the media etc to say the usual " he was
> such a quiet guy" or " i have known him for years" - there is an air
> of ' conspiracy from the moment it was out' and the way the police &
> media have responded to the conspiracy theories seem false & vague..
>
This is a good point. I too have found the media reporting of this
absolutely outrageous crime to be muted and strange. I think it is quite
possible that things are going on behind closed doors that we are not privy
to.
vk2...@yahoo.com
Has anyone thought that thompson actually was born in Australia went to
England and done the murder, then the Britsih government wanted to
deport him for the crime, just like we do here in Australia. They have
even deported rapists here in Australia back to England and changed
their name.
mandala
Dyna Soar wrote:
> true, even though all evidence shows it not to be.
>
> Don't you think a huge thing would have been made at the time that this
> person was an Aussie if it had been so? All the reports of his difficult
> childhood with an alcoholic mother and abusive father must have been made up
> in the UK in 1993, just so they could send the person to Australia incognito
> in 2001.
>
> Yeah, right!
>
> Some links, though I guess nothing will ever convince you.
>
> http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16536007&method=full&siteid=62484&headline=devil-dad--bulger-killer-to-be-a-father-name_page.html
> http://tinyurl.com/p9k5h
>
> http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=393024&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
> http://tinyurl.com/fwo9p
>
> --
> Dyna
>
> All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.
You might want to do a little bit more research before shooting from
the hip in future.
1. The Uk's Sunday Mirror is at the "National Inquirer" end of the
newspaper spectrum. ie sensasionalist shit that everyone reads with a
pinch of salt.
2. The Mail on Sunday unscrupulously published the police identikit
image of arthurs in their article that was used during the manhunt.
They have not acknowledged their error even though they have been
contacted alerting them to it. The real photo of Arthurs is here:
sophi...@1webmail.net
And where are your sources, where is your evidence? A chain email,
full of inaccuracies, where the author is unidentified.
It appears that many people are really, really desperate to believe
Dante Arthurs is one of the James Bulger's killers. Occam's Razor has
gone out the window, and rather than asking for something to prove this
rather unlikely story true, people (such as mandala) seem to think it's
worth believing as long as they haven't heard something to prove it
absoltuely, 100% false.
Which is not how it works. Why not?
Because you CAN'T prove it false. No matter HOW much contradictory
evidence is produced, if you want to believe, you can ALWAYS come up
with an appropriate conspiracy theory to show "it might have happened!"
It always might have happened. But why should it have? The most likely
state of affairs is that it is simply not true. And if extraordinary
claims require extraordinary evidence, why should we think otherwise
until we're shown something compelling?
Interesting question. All I can come up with is this: we do not want to
belive that sometimes horrible things just happen. A psycho kills a
little girl. We don't want to leave it at that. We need a conspiracy, a
further explanation. We cannot accept random, patternless evil. We need
to direct our outrage somewhere, since directing it at a brutal maniac
is pointless. We need...the government! Yes, we need the government to
have caused this! The government unleashed a vicious murderer upon us
without even TELLING us! Howl at this scandal! For no crime is ever
committed that couldn't have been stopped. Nothing bad ever happens but
it was caused by the authorities who don't care about us decent folk.
It HAS to be the government's fault.
Because otherwise, it just happened. And that's too much for us to bear.
mandala
If you can ignore the plethora of coincidences between these two
individuals and the extent of the govt's and media's efforts to deflect
attention away from said coincidences then that is your prerogative. I
am not one that subscribes to conspiracy theories. I am not motivated
by a need to explain why this has happened because I already know.
Nature is equally both "good" and "evil" and dispenses reward and
punishment at times on a totally arbitrary, inexplicable basis. So
please, spare me your Intro to Psychology analysis.
Until people start coming forward in the Perth community that have had
contact with this family prior to their sojourn in England then my
suspisions shall remain aroused. It is going to take more than a birth
notice in a paper to convince me that Arthurs' story checks out. There
is an overwhelming motivation for both the govt and police to deny that
Arthurs is Thompson should it be true, therefore, I will rely on my
community here in Perth to prove/disprove mine and a few others
hypothesis.
sophi...@1webmail.net
Like this:
"Hopefully, you will be familiar with what I'm talking about: the
recent death of Sofia Rodriguez-Urrutia-Shu.
There is some speculation around saying Dante Authurs was also one of
the two boys who killed Jamie Bulger in 1993, and that he was relocated
to Australia. There doesn't seem much hard evidence, mostly just some
conspiracy.
This would mean his name was previously either Jon Venables or Robert
Thompson and he was given a name change to Dante Authurs in 2001.
Except as far as I know, Dante Authurs was his name from before 2001.
He was born in Europe, and his family moved to Australia when he was
about four. His mother, Sue, was a cub scout leader called 'Raksha'
(all cub leaders from the 1st Jandakot Cub Scouts were given Jungle
Book names), who was replaced eventually by my dad, 'Chil'. This is
where our family first met the Francises and the Murrays. I was in cubs
while I was in primary school, and did one year of scouts before I
started high school, so this all predates 2001 by quite a bit. Dante
was the same age as my brother - so that would make him 21. While I
don't really remember Dante, I do remember his mother, mostly from a
canoeing trip.
I trust my parents when they say they knew Dante, but know very little
about anything myself. Even if I knew him in those few years, I barely
remember. I just know that when I first heard about the case, my mum
piped up with "I want to know why he did it. They don't know yet. Why
would you do something like that?" My first thought in reply was
"Because the opportunity was there.""
mandala
So basically, this guy who can't really even remember Dante AND claims
that he was born in Europe (whereabouts he doesn't say, he may as well
have said "somewhere in the northern hemisphere") which contradicts the
birth notice in the West Australian and a statement from a doctor that
he "remembers" delivering "Dante"? BUT, ignoring that you believe that
this guys' blog should debunk the theory? Who is the one desperate for
an explanation you say???
sophi...@1webmail.net
What evidence that you have about Dante Arthurs that he is Robert
Thompson (or Jon Venables)? Just wondering like?
Annoying I am
> Just change the records for the old ones...
OK didn't think of that ....... But who would
have access to do such a deed?
Annoying I am
Such as????
mandala
I've mentioned a few coincidences that are cause for concern in my
posts. Access them through my profile.
sophi...@1webmail.net
This seems to happen every few months:
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=2594&ArticleID=1493266
sophi...@1webmail.net
Oh here is a bit of background:
http://www.bernardomahoney.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1656&sid=3d999b23836bc5f465675507867762dc
mandala
Based on appearance alone you would almost instantly rule out any link
to the Irish accused - no dimple in the chin, flared nostrils on Walsh,
totally different hairline, eyes different shape with Walsh's eyelids
notably droopier, and does not have Thompson's characteristic ear
shape.
Arthur Brain
er, the *police* who spent £4,000,000 providing them with their new
identities...?
sophi...@1webmail.net
And Arthur Dante has blue eyes.
sophi...@1webmail.net
Yes, the similarities between Sean Walsh and a 10 year-old Robert
Thompson are about the same as between Dante Arthurs and a 10 year-old
Robert Thompson (although I think Sean Walsh looks more like him).
mandala
No worries, Neil Duffy. If that's the extent to which you are going to
refute all claims arising from the similarities and coincidences
between Thomspon and Arthurs then fine. You appear to have a bit of a
chip on your shoulder about Australia reading through some of your
posts on other forums made under other aliases so I don't think it is
productive for me or anyone else genuinely concerned about the case to
engage in too serious a discussion with you. Thanks.
sophi...@1webmail.net
There are two serious cases here, which are not connected. I think if
people were genuinely concerned about the current case and upcoming
trial they would engage their brain and looks at the facts and not
idiotic and baseless rumours.
mandala
Do you think it is going to take the prosecution long to convict him
given the physical evidence they'd have? No, it won't. It is a given
that if "Arthurs" did it then he's a good as gone either way.
The other "trivial" issue, well trivial to you you narrow-minded prick,
is that if these multitude of "nonsensical" rumours and "simply uncanny
similarities but random coincidences all the same" are found to be more
than innuendo, then they will be pushing shit up hill to construct
Arthurs a verfiable childhood in Perth which entails primary school
photos, school dental records, affitdavits from his teachers,
neighbours, other family members living in Perth etc etc. If they can't
then what that means is that our government has collaborated with the
UK authorities in allowing a child murderer to live amongst us
incognito. Have I dumbed it down enough for you to comprehend now what
is at stake here, for people having to live with a human piece of
filth? It isn't about winning some pissant debate with you let me give
you the big tip.
sophi...@1webmail.net
"Multitue of rumours" - a dodgy email.
Dante Arthurs life history, friends/acquitances stories will come after
the completion of the trial (that can't talk to the media before then).
I think you are the one who is being rather narrow minded.
Stephen X. Carter
>"Multitue of rumours" - a dodgy email.
>
>Dante Arthurs life history, friends/acquitances stories will come after
>the completion of the trial (that can't talk to the media before then).
Pedantically, they *can* talk *to* the media any time, it's just that
the media can't publish until after the verdict.
Perhaps we'll also find out the details of why his parents were
interviewed about a year ago when these allegations started to
circulate.
Time will resolve this.
--
steve.hat.stephencarter.not.com.but.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
mandala
Stephen X. Carter wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2006 09:21:34 -0700, sophi...@1webmail.net wrote:
>
> Pedantically, they *can* talk *to* the media any time, it's just that
> the media can't publish until after the verdict.
That's incorrect. The West Australian published a statement from the
doctor that apparently delivered Dante Arthurs late last week. This in
no way jeopardises the fairness of the trial. The media can report
statements from the public vouching that he did live in Perth as they
had contact with him and/or his family. Obviously, they wouldn't be
permitted to publish something like "one of Arthur's next door
neighbours have expressed that they believed he was stealing their
daughter's underwear from the clothesline when he was eight."
Stephen X. Carter
wrote:
OK. I'll rephrase...
"...it's just that they can't publish anything that might conceivably
prejudice a fair trial until after the verdict."
Bridget McEvoy
> I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has
> happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let
> you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel SOB murderer.
> About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out
> that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James
> Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped
> and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to
> Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story
> short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his
> grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a
> house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this
> it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of
> prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he
> assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and
> consequently came to Hakea prison but for only about 6 weeks as
> they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was
> brushed under the mat.
> His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the
> computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mumma at the
> Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because
> I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell
> them, stuff the prisons!!
> I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in
> Canning Vale!
> Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be
> interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K.
> and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with
> a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel arsehole was
> allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he
> was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the
> police done something about this - he should not be allowed to
> breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would
> be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a
> reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!
> That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be
> the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and
> Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for
> paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where
> they're living and yet this piece of shit can live on our back door step
> with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants,
> what about this?
> It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few
> days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the
> country in the same manner he was bought here, then again
> knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice
> system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to
> feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their
> minds that they can rehabilitate him!
> I was just going to type "sorry " but I'm not at all sorry for
> alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.