AEG power tools

[Trevor Wilson]

**Spotted what appears to be a pretty good deal at the local Bunnings
today. It's an AEG battery powered tool kit:

http://www.aegpowertools.com.au/products/combo-kits/JP18A5LI302B/

It's the old set (hence it is a fair bit cheaper than the current one),
but lacks one battery (it only has two batteries - which is fine for me).

$550.00. Last one left. All the new ones are 800 Bucks.

Now I know full well that AEG ain't what it used to be and that it is
just another set-out to the Chinese, but I figure that Bosch is now made
in Malaysia (all my existing Bosch stuff is Swiss), Makita is Chinese,
De Walt is Mexican and so on (dunno about Milwaukee). That said, the AEG
does seem to match the big guys on performance (similar torque figures,
etc).

The AEG does come with a 3 year TRADE warranty, which is pretty decent
and Bunnings are the importers and I've always found them easy to deal
with.

Still, I do like the idea of Bosch, or even better, Festool/Protool, but
the price difference is pretty steep (particularly with Festool).

Any experience with the modern AEG (not interested in knowing about the
old German AEG, which I am sure was very good)?


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[D Walford]

Don't know if it means anything but none of the tradies I know have any
AEG tools, Makita is the most common with the others a long way behind
in numbers not that I think there is anything wrong with the other
brands, also don't forget Hitachi.


Daryl

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 4:11 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> It's the old set (hence it is a fair bit cheaper than the current one),
> but lacks one battery (it only has two batteries - which is fine for me).
>
> $550.00. Last one left. All the new ones are 800 Bucks.

Not a bad price, but I tend to think of the "Kits" as a bit of a mixed
bag in that if you don't have a need for *all* the tools they're a bit
of a waste.

> Now I know full well that AEG ain't what it used to be and that it is
> just another set-out to the Chinese, but I figure that Bosch is now made
> in Malaysia (all my existing Bosch stuff is Swiss), Makita is Chinese,
> De Walt is Mexican and so on (dunno about Milwaukee). That said, the AEG
> does seem to match the big guys on performance (similar torque figures,
> etc).

I recently bought a new Makita drill and it's excellent, but I didn't
bother with a kit as I have most other stuff in 240v and would rather
spend the extra on uprated batteries. The neighbour across the street
bought a Milwaukee at around the same time and it feels *very* well made
compared to the Makita. Not that there's anything wrong with the Makita
but the Milwaukee feels a whole class better for about 20 bucks more. It
also came with bigger batteries.

> The AEG does come with a 3 year TRADE warranty, which is pretty decent
> and Bunnings are the importers and I've always found them easy to deal
> with.

My experience as well.

> Still, I do like the idea of Bosch, or even better, Festool/Protool, but
> the price difference is pretty steep (particularly with Festool).

It depends on how fussy you want to be. Festool make nice stuff, but if
you're not using the crap out of it every single day of the year you can
probably get by with Ryobi. It doesn't look as fancy but it'll most
likely do the job as well.

> Any experience with the modern AEG (not interested in knowing about the
> old German AEG, which I am sure was very good)?

No, only old stuff.





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Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

Agreed. Makita and Hitachi seems to be tradies choice.
Certainly the Makita tools I have owned have always been very good.

[Jason James]

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 4:33:02 PM UTC+11, D Walford wrote:

>Don't know if it means anything but none of the tradies I know have any AEG tools,

Yeah,..we had AEG electric drills plus impact tools at work, and they were excellent,..but this is 25 years ago.

>Makita is the most common with the others a long way behind in numbers not that I think there is anything wrong with the other brands, also don't forget Hitachi.

Indeed,..Makita make nice and strong electric tools these days. Cant really fault them...especialy their electric-drills.

Jason

[Clocky]

I have less faith in Ryobi than I do in Ozito!

In my experience and that of people I've worked with Makita seem to make
good stuff consistently and at a reasonable price.

[Krypsis]

With Bosch, the colour indicates the "level" of use. Ie. green is home
handyman stuff. My friend the electrician never buys Bosch green.

--

Krypsis

[F Murtz]

And if you want a cheap similar set (with lithium batteries)aldi has one
at the moment

[Trevor Wilson]

On 3/3/2013 5:16 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 03/03/13 4:11 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> It's the old set (hence it is a fair bit cheaper than the current one),
>> but lacks one battery (it only has two batteries - which is fine for me).
>>
>> $550.00. Last one left. All the new ones are 800 Bucks.
>
> Not a bad price, but I tend to think of the "Kits" as a bit of a mixed
> bag in that if you don't have a need for *all* the tools they're a bit
> of a waste.

**For me, the kit is perfect. I need a battery powered circluar saw and
demo saw. I also need a decent battery hammer drill and impact driver. I
don't need to torch.

>
>> Now I know full well that AEG ain't what it used to be and that it is
>> just another set-out to the Chinese, but I figure that Bosch is now made
>> in Malaysia (all my existing Bosch stuff is Swiss), Makita is Chinese,
>> De Walt is Mexican and so on (dunno about Milwaukee). That said, the AEG
>> does seem to match the big guys on performance (similar torque figures,
>> etc).
>
> I recently bought a new Makita drill and it's excellent, but I didn't
> bother with a kit as I have most other stuff in 240v and would rather
> spend the extra on uprated batteries. The neighbour across the street
> bought a Milwaukee at around the same time and it feels *very* well made
> compared to the Makita. Not that there's anything wrong with the Makita
> but the Milwaukee feels a whole class better for about 20 bucks more. It
> also came with bigger batteries.

**The Milwaukee DOES look and feel great. In fact, at the last
woodworking show, I mentioned to the Milwaukee guy how powerful the
Protool (made by Festool) was. It could drive 1/2" coach screws into
hardwood, without pre-drilling. Impressive stuff. Four speed gearbox,
brushless motor, direct hex drive, etc. Beautiful tool. And, for 600
Bucks, it would want to be. Anyway, the Milwaukee guy, handed me a tool,
they call: The Torquinator™. It's an extra gearbox and 400mm extension
handle that fits over the end of one of their battery drills. It gears
the thing down, so the torque hits something like 270nM! And that's just
a regular drill/driver, not an impact jobbie. Blows the Protool of the
map. Mind you: The Protool is one Helluva good tool.

>
>> The AEG does come with a 3 year TRADE warranty, which is pretty decent
>> and Bunnings are the importers and I've always found them easy to deal
>> with.
>
> My experience as well.
>
>> Still, I do like the idea of Bosch, or even better, Festool/Protool, but
>> the price difference is pretty steep (particularly with Festool).
>
> It depends on how fussy you want to be. Festool make nice stuff, but if
> you're not using the crap out of it every single day of the year you can
> probably get by with Ryobi. It doesn't look as fancy but it'll most
> likely do the job as well.

**I take your point, but I spent up big with my Bosch drill/driver about
15 years ago. It's lasted me very well, but it's time to retire it. I
paid about $400.00 for a Bosch (blue series) when they were made in
Switzerland. It's been flawless. I'm happy to pay a little more for
something that will last me another 15 years. Still, that damned Ozito
rotary hammer drill I bought 6 years ago simply refuses to break down.
$69.95. I've worn out a couple of chisel bits and the thing keeps going.
Still an all, I borrowed a Bosch (blue series) rotary hammer drill, when
I was out on a job and was MUCH nicer to use than the Ozito. Vibration
was minimal and the thing had noticably more grunt. Still, at more than
400 Bucks, difficult for me to justify.

>
>> Any experience with the modern AEG (not interested in knowing about the
>> old German AEG, which I am sure was very good)?
>
> No, only old stuff.

**Yeah, I know the old stuff was pretty decent. I think Bunnings want to
crack that tradie market with their AEG. I imagine it should be half-way
decent, if they can afford a 3 year trade warranty. Their other brand,
Ryobi, is not warranted for trade use at all.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[John_H]

Krypsis wrote:
>
>With Bosch, the colour indicates the "level" of use. Ie. green is home
>handyman stuff. My friend the electrician never buys Bosch green.

They nearly all use that trick but don't necessarily change the
colour. In most cases the choice is either to check the specs or buy
the dearest one (which doesn't work if the merchant is out to get
you).

Makita or Hitachi are generally good but be very wary if the price
seems too cheap.

--
John H

[lindsay]

On 3/03/2013 5:16 PM, Noddy wrote:

> It depends on how fussy you want to be. Festool make nice stuff, but if

Festool now sell all their hand tools in plastic crates called
systainers, which add about $50.00 to the tool. For me, they are a
waste, as the tools get used every second day. They are top quality
tools tho.

I have a factory full of Bosch Blue cordless tools, 4 cordless drills, 1
power saw, one 3' planer, impact wrench, 2 5" grinders, 3 little 10.8v
multi-tools, and a mini sabre saw.. I started buying them 3 years ago.
I've had one faulty 18v battery, and one multi-tool fail, coz it was
full of fibreglass dust. They replaced both under warranty, which is 1
year but extended to 3 years (if you register on-line). A 3 year
warranty on professional power tools is awesome.

> you're not using the crap out of it every single day of the year you can
> probably get by with Ryobi. It doesn't look as fancy but it'll most
> likely do the job as well.

Afaik, Ryobi was GMC's replacement, and is built down to a price.
Probably ok for occasional domestic use tho. Makita have 2 levels of
power tools as well, we also use makita corded 4" angle grinders. For
$75, when they wear out, in the bin they go. They normally last a couple
of years which is very good, considering the enviorment and the ammount
of work they do.

Cheers

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 5:31 PM, Clocky wrote:

> I have less faith in Ryobi than I do in Ozito!

Well, I'll let you know how I fare with Ryobi.

I go through orbital sanders and 4 inch grinders like nobody's business.
I simply wear them out, and because I go through them fairly regularly I
alternate brands to see if there's any one winner amongst them. So far
with angle grinders it's proved to be Bosch, followed closely by (of all
things) Black & Decker. For 5 inch orbital sanders I've been through the
whole bunch with the exception of Festool, and there is no clear winner.
The current test dummy is a Ryobi, and it works no better or worse than
anything else. All that remains to be seen is how long it lasts.

> In my experience and that of people I've worked with Makita seem to make
> good stuff consistently and at a reasonable price.

I think for what they offer compared to others they're a tad on the exxy
side, but I've never had a problem with their reliability. I've got
Makita battery tools that are over 15 years old and they *still* work on
their original batteries. They're not really very useful for anything
these days, but they still run nonetheless.

I doubt if I'll be saying that about the Makita drill I bought a few
weeks ago in 15 years time.



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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 6:55 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> **For me, the kit is perfect. I need a battery powered circluar saw and
> demo saw. I also need a decent battery hammer drill and impact driver. I
> don't need to torch.

Sounds like it's right up your ally. I'd go for it, as I'd be surprised
if makita stuff didn't serve you well.

> **The Milwaukee DOES look and feel great. In fact, at the last
> woodworking show, I mentioned to the Milwaukee guy how powerful the
> Protool (made by Festool) was. It could drive 1/2" coach screws into
> hardwood, without pre-drilling. Impressive stuff. Four speed gearbox,
> brushless motor, direct hex drive, etc. Beautiful tool. And, for 600
> Bucks, it would want to be. Anyway, the Milwaukee guy, handed me a tool,

> they call: The Torquinator�. It's an extra gearbox and 400mm extension

> handle that fits over the end of one of their battery drills. It gears
> the thing down, so the torque hits something like 270nM! And that's just
> a regular drill/driver, not an impact jobbie. Blows the Protool of the
> map. Mind you: The Protool is one Helluva good tool.

That's pretty amazing.

> **I take your point, but I spent up big with my Bosch drill/driver about
> 15 years ago. It's lasted me very well, but it's time to retire it. I
> paid about $400.00 for a Bosch (blue series) when they were made in
> Switzerland. It's been flawless. I'm happy to pay a little more for
> something that will last me another 15 years. Still, that damned Ozito
> rotary hammer drill I bought 6 years ago simply refuses to break down.
> $69.95. I've worn out a couple of chisel bits and the thing keeps going.

Don't you hate that? I've got one that's exactly the same :)

> Still an all, I borrowed a Bosch (blue series) rotary hammer drill, when
> I was out on a job and was MUCH nicer to use than the Ozito. Vibration
> was minimal and the thing had noticably more grunt. Still, at more than
> 400 Bucks, difficult for me to justify.

No doubt.

I inherreted most of my wood-working tools from my dad after he died,
and he had some pretty good stuff. Some of it is dated now as he's been
dead for ten years, but some of the stuff he had was virtually brand new
when he died and they were real gifts for me. Amongst them was a brand
new in the box Dewalt 190mm circular saw with a thin kerf caride tipped
framing blade. It's a fantastic saw that'll cut through anything, and
you can still buy it new. But I recently had a big job to do that
involved a *lot* of heavy duty cutting and I was in a quandry as to
whether to use it or not.

Basically I had two 40 metre long retaining walls to build out of
original redgum sleepers, about 140 sleepers in all, and every single
one of them had to be cut at least once (and a lot twice). Cutting them
with a chainsaw is a waste of time as you get about 3 cuts per blade
before it's so blunt it won't cut paper, so about the only way to do it
quickly is rip through one side with the circular saw and then roll the
sleeper over and finish off the other side as the blade isn't deep
enough to go all the way through on one pass.

My problem was that I reckoned that there were maybe 200 such cuts, and
I thought that the saw wouldn't live to see it. Like I said it was a
good saw, and I didn't want to fuck it by cutting the sleepers. So, I
decided to go to Bunnings and buy a 100 buck Ozito circular saw and use
that instead. I simply swapped the junk steel Ozito blade with the good
Dewalt carbide blade and off I went. I expected that the Ozito saw would
fail maybe twice or perhaps three times during the course of the job,
and I'd just keep on returning them to Bunnings and swapping them over
when they burnt out.

The problem was that it never did :)

The Ozito saw did a *superb* job of cutting through every single sleeper
without fail, and it never once looked like giving up the ghost. The
carbide tipped blade got a bit dull towards the end and the last 10 cuts
or so were a bit of a struggle, but the saw never quit and is still
running just fine.

The "Made in the USA" Dewalt probably would have died :)

> **Yeah, I know the old stuff was pretty decent. I think Bunnings want to
> crack that tradie market with their AEG. I imagine it should be half-way
> decent, if they can afford a 3 year trade warranty. Their other brand,
> Ryobi, is not warranted for trade use at all.

Sadly.



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Regards,
Noddy.

[D Walford]

On 03/03/2013 9:24 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 03/03/13 5:31 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> I have less faith in Ryobi than I do in Ozito!
>
> Well, I'll let you know how I fare with Ryobi.
>
> I go through orbital sanders and 4 inch grinders like nobody's business.
> I simply wear them out, and because I go through them fairly regularly I
> alternate brands to see if there's any one winner amongst them. So far
> with angle grinders it's proved to be Bosch, followed closely by (of all
> things) Black & Decker.

Funny you should say that because my 4" B&D angle grinder has outlasted
a couple of other brands, the dust from cutting roofs tiles so that they
fit over the brackets for solar usually destroys them but for some
reason the B&D is still going strong.



Daryl

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 7:13 PM, lindsay wrote:

> Festool now sell all their hand tools in plastic crates called
> systainers, which add about $50.00 to the tool. For me, they are a
> waste, as the tools get used every second day. They are top quality
> tools tho.

They are, and there's not too many professional joinery shops that don't
use them. There is, however, a fair bit of "well, they use them so they
must be good" going around.

You can see that highlighted to real good effect in panel shops. For
*decades* panel shops have been using buffing machines made by an
Italian company call Rupes. Now, Italians aren't normally associated
with quality tools :), and the "Rupes" brand is virtually unheard of
outside of the crash repair industry, but I guarantee you virtually
every panel shop in the country has at least one Rupes buff as part of
their tool kit despite their being other buffs on the market that work
just as well for a lot less money.

> I have a factory full of Bosch Blue cordless tools, 4 cordless drills, 1
> power saw, one 3' planer, impact wrench, 2 5" grinders, 3 little 10.8v
> multi-tools, and a mini sabre saw.. I started buying them 3 years ago.
> I've had one faulty 18v battery, and one multi-tool fail, coz it was
> full of fibreglass dust. They replaced both under warranty, which is 1
> year but extended to 3 years (if you register on-line). A 3 year
> warranty on professional power tools is awesome.

That's fucking outstanding, and I'd be wrapped with a deal like that.

> Afaik, Ryobi was GMC's replacement, and is built down to a price.

It is, and I'm certainly not recommending their stuff per se', but for
the part timer on a budget it's probably worth a try. I don't know
Trev's particular circumstances and they may be totally unsuitable for him.

> Probably ok for occasional domestic use tho. Makita have 2 levels of
> power tools as well, we also use makita corded 4" angle grinders. For
> $75, when they wear out, in the bin they go. They normally last a couple
> of years which is very good, considering the enviorment and the ammount
> of work they do.

I normally get about 12 months out of them, but it can vary. I was
actually using one today and looking through the cupboard I realised
that I've got 4 inch grinders, 2 4 and a half, 1 5 inch, and two 7's
that currently all work, and almost as many that are dead and waiting
for me to turf. The pick of the bunch is the 5 inch Makita which is an
awesome grinder, but I've never been able to buy another one like it.
The best of the 4 inchers is a Bosch.


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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 6:55 PM, John_H wrote:

> Makita or Hitachi are generally good but be very wary if the price
> seems too cheap.

Makita used to do a "red" range which was cheap made in China shit (as
least, cheaper than their current made in China stuff), but I don't know
if they do any more.

I didn't see them when I bought a new drill recently.



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Regards,
Noddy.

[D Walford]

On 03/03/2013 9:43 PM, Noddy wrote:

>> **I take your point, but I spent up big with my Bosch drill/driver about
>> 15 years ago. It's lasted me very well, but it's time to retire it. I
>> paid about $400.00 for a Bosch (blue series) when they were made in
>> Switzerland. It's been flawless. I'm happy to pay a little more for
>> something that will last me another 15 years. Still, that damned Ozito
>> rotary hammer drill I bought 6 years ago simply refuses to break down.
>> $69.95. I've worn out a couple of chisel bits and the thing keeps going.
>
> Don't you hate that? I've got one that's exactly the same :)

Me too, they are amazingly good value for the money, I doubt they would
last in daily tradie use but mine should last forever with infrequent use.

>
>> Still an all, I borrowed a Bosch (blue series) rotary hammer drill, when
>> I was out on a job and was MUCH nicer to use than the Ozito. Vibration
>> was minimal and the thing had noticably more grunt. Still, at more than
>> 400 Bucks, difficult for me to justify.
>
> No doubt.

Oldest son has a 24volt Bosch rotary hammer drill which is amazing but I
think it cost $1200.00.



Daryl

[Clocky]

lindsay wrote:
> On 3/03/2013 5:16 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>> It depends on how fussy you want to be. Festool make nice stuff, but if
>
> Festool now sell all their hand tools in plastic crates called
> systainers, which add about $50.00 to the tool. For me, they are a
> waste, as the tools get used every second day. They are top quality
> tools tho.
>
> I have a factory full of Bosch Blue cordless tools, 4 cordless drills, 1
> power saw, one 3' planer, impact wrench, 2 5" grinders, 3 little 10.8v
> multi-tools, and a mini sabre saw.. I started buying them 3 years ago.
> I've had one faulty 18v battery, and one multi-tool fail, coz it was
> full of fibreglass dust. They replaced both under warranty, which is 1
> year but extended to 3 years (if you register on-line). A 3 year
> warranty on professional power tools is awesome.
>
>
>> you're not using the crap out of it every single day of the year you can
>> probably get by with Ryobi. It doesn't look as fancy but it'll most
>> likely do the job as well.
>
> Afaik, Ryobi was GMC's replacement, and is built down to a price.
> Probably ok for occasional domestic use tho.

The biggest problem with Ryobi are the batteries, they simply don't last
especially when used infrequently. I guess that the biggest cost-cut are
the batteries.

Makita have 2 levels of
> power tools as well, we also use makita corded 4" angle grinders. For
> $75, when they wear out, in the bin they go. They normally last a couple
> of years which is very good, considering the enviorment and the ammount
> of work they do.
>
> Cheers

Yeah I've always found Makita to be super reliable even in their
handyman range.

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 9:48 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Funny you should say that because my 4" B&D angle grinder has outlasted
> a couple of other brands, the dust from cutting roofs tiles so that they
> fit over the brackets for solar usually destroys them but for some
> reason the B&D is still going strong.

They must have hit on a good design by fluke, as normally their stuff is
pretty crap.


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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 9:58 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Oldest son has a 24volt Bosch rotary hammer drill which is amazing but I
> think it cost $1200.00.

It's a huge rort when you think that a 240v one which will wipe the
floor with it is around a quarter of the price.


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Regards,
Noddy.

[Krypsis]

On 3/03/2013 6:55 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 3/3/2013 5:16 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 03/03/13 4:11 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> It's the old set (hence it is a fair bit cheaper than the current one),
>>> but lacks one battery (it only has two batteries - which is fine for
>>> me).
>>>
>>> $550.00. Last one left. All the new ones are 800 Bucks.
>>
>> Not a bad price, but I tend to think of the "Kits" as a bit of a mixed
>> bag in that if you don't have a need for *all* the tools they're a bit
>> of a waste.
>
> **For me, the kit is perfect. I need a battery powered circluar saw and
> demo saw. I also need a decent battery hammer drill and impact driver. I
> don't need to torch.
>

You would be surprised how handy the torch can be. For me, all battery
powered handtools are a pain in the proverbial as they need to be
regularly charged. I need them only occasionally and I'm always near a
cord and power point.

>>
>>> Now I know full well that AEG ain't what it used to be and that it is
>>> just another set-out to the Chinese, but I figure that Bosch is now made
>>> in Malaysia (all my existing Bosch stuff is Swiss), Makita is Chinese,
>>> De Walt is Mexican and so on (dunno about Milwaukee). That said, the AEG
>>> does seem to match the big guys on performance (similar torque figures,
>>> etc).
>>
>> I recently bought a new Makita drill and it's excellent, but I didn't
>> bother with a kit as I have most other stuff in 240v and would rather
>> spend the extra on uprated batteries. The neighbour across the street
>> bought a Milwaukee at around the same time and it feels *very* well made
>> compared to the Makita. Not that there's anything wrong with the Makita
>> but the Milwaukee feels a whole class better for about 20 bucks more. It
>> also came with bigger batteries.
>
> **The Milwaukee DOES look and feel great. In fact, at the last
> woodworking show, I mentioned to the Milwaukee guy how powerful the
> Protool (made by Festool) was. It could drive 1/2" coach screws into
> hardwood, without pre-drilling. Impressive stuff. Four speed gearbox,
> brushless motor, direct hex drive, etc. Beautiful tool. And, for 600
> Bucks, it would want to be. Anyway, the Milwaukee guy, handed me a tool,

> they call: The Torquinator�. It's an extra gearbox and 400mm extension

> handle that fits over the end of one of their battery drills. It gears
> the thing down, so the torque hits something like 270nM! And that's just
> a regular drill/driver, not an impact jobbie. Blows the Protool of the
> map. Mind you: The Protool is one Helluva good tool.
>
>>
>>> The AEG does come with a 3 year TRADE warranty, which is pretty decent
>>> and Bunnings are the importers and I've always found them easy to deal
>>> with.
>>
>> My experience as well.
>>
>>> Still, I do like the idea of Bosch, or even better, Festool/Protool, but
>>> the price difference is pretty steep (particularly with Festool).
>>
>> It depends on how fussy you want to be. Festool make nice stuff, but if
>> you're not using the crap out of it every single day of the year you can
>> probably get by with Ryobi. It doesn't look as fancy but it'll most
>> likely do the job as well.
>
> **I take your point, but I spent up big with my Bosch drill/driver about
> 15 years ago. It's lasted me very well, but it's time to retire it. I
> paid about $400.00 for a Bosch (blue series) when they were made in
> Switzerland. It's been flawless. I'm happy to pay a little more for
> something that will last me another 15 years. Still, that damned Ozito
> rotary hammer drill I bought 6 years ago simply refuses to break down.
> $69.95. I've worn out a couple of chisel bits and the thing keeps going.

You bought one of them as well? I bought one ages ago and it sat in my
shed for years. At the time I didn't need one but I thought, "What the
hell, it was cheap enough". It just so happened that I needed to remove
some brickwork. The alternative, chiselling the mortar out with a mortar
chisel, wasn't a desired option. I remembered the Ozito and dragged it
out from its hiding place. It did my job and then I lent it out to a
friend who was bricking up factory doors. That thing did a power of work
and still the bits are intact. It now looks well used but I wouldn't
have minded had it broken down after I did my job.... that it managed to
do my friends job as well and STILL works is a bonus.

> Still an all, I borrowed a Bosch (blue series) rotary hammer drill, when
> I was out on a job and was MUCH nicer to use than the Ozito. Vibration
> was minimal and the thing had noticably more grunt. Still, at more than
> 400 Bucks, difficult for me to justify.
>
>>
>>> Any experience with the modern AEG (not interested in knowing about the
>>> old German AEG, which I am sure was very good)?
>>
>> No, only old stuff.
>
> **Yeah, I know the old stuff was pretty decent. I think Bunnings want to
> crack that tradie market with their AEG. I imagine it should be half-way
> decent, if they can afford a 3 year trade warranty. Their other brand,
> Ryobi, is not warranted for trade use at all.
>
>


--

Krypsis

[Noddy]

On 03/03/13 11:10 PM, Krypsis wrote:

> You would be surprised how handy the torch can be. For me, all battery
> powered handtools are a pain in the proverbial as they need to be
> regularly charged.

That's the general idea. There's not much point in charging them only
when you need them, as things tend to get a little s l o w...

> I need them only occasionally and I'm always near a
> cord and power point.

Fine if you are, but a lot of tradies aren't. Even those who are often
find battery power more convenient to 240.

> You bought one of them as well? I bought one ages ago and it sat in my
> shed for years.

Hey, wait a minute. You didn't buy something and take it home and not
use it for some time, did you? :)

Put your teeth back in Poppy. I don't care if you did or didn't, and was
just taking the piss.




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Regards,
Noddy.

[Krypsis]

On 3/03/2013 11:50 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 03/03/13 11:10 PM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>> You would be surprised how handy the torch can be. For me, all battery
>> powered handtools are a pain in the proverbial as they need to be
>> regularly charged.
>
> That's the general idea. There's not much point in charging them only
> when you need them, as things tend to get a little s l o w...

The problem is that I might use a drill to drill half a dozen holes,
then not need it again for months. I have a bench drill that handles 90%
of my drilling needs. I would have used the torch quite a bit but my new
phone has a very good torch built in so now I use that. It's a Samsung
X-Cover. Brilliant piece of kit!

>
>> I need them only occasionally and I'm always near a
>> cord and power point.
>
> Fine if you are, but a lot of tradies aren't. Even those who are often
> find battery power more convenient to 240.

I can understand that as dragging a cable all over the place can be a
pain, especially if you're doing it day in, day out. I'd be lucky to
have to drag the cable out once a week so it's no big deal for me.

>
>> You bought one of them as well? I bought one ages ago and it sat in my
>> shed for years.
>
> Hey, wait a minute. You didn't buy something and take it home and not
> use it for some time, did you? :)

No, I made sure it ran. I just didn't have a lot of work for it at the time.

>
> Put your teeth back in Poppy. I don't care if you did or didn't, and was
> just taking the piss.
>
>
>
>


--

Krypsis

[Trevor Wilson]

**Depends. A mate is a builder. A few years back he switched his crew to
Bosch 24 Volt tools. He reckon it was the best move he ever made. Since
they all use the same brand of tools, there's always plenty of spare
batteries around, the tools have as much grunt as their 240 Volt
equivalents and, best of all, only the charger needs to be regularly
tagged (which is essential for a building site). He just switched all
his guys over to Milwaukee tools and reckons they are a step up from the
Bosch. He figures that anything more than 2 or 3 years from a tool is a
bonus. I think his drop saw, demo hammer, thicknesser and his Triton
2000 are the only 240 Volt tools he regularly uses.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[John_H]

Noddy wrote:
>On 03/03/13 6:55 PM, John_H wrote:
>
>> Makita or Hitachi are generally good but be very wary if the price
>> seems too cheap.
>
>Makita used to do a "red" range which was cheap made in China shit (as
>least, cheaper than their current made in China stuff), but I don't know
>if they do any more.

I've never seen a red one. All of mine are blue and I only consider
I've been dudded once... which was a fairly pricey jigsaw that wasn't
up to trade tools standards. An electrician mate who's pretty choosey
also got caught with the same model and was equally dissatisfied.

I've seen a few other Makita duds over the years, but none of which I
would've bought.

I've always used Hitachi angle grinders, and wouldn't buy any other
brand, but last check of their catalogue showed at least four models
in every size they make, all of which look much the same... so it's
still a case of choosing carefully.

--
John H

[Trevor Wilson]

**Whilst the Aldi set may be a decent value for money, the specs and the
3 year trade warranty on the AEG makes it more appropriate for hard use.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[Noddy]

On 04/03/13 8:49 AM, John_H wrote:

> I've always used Hitachi angle grinders, and wouldn't buy any other
> brand, but last check of their catalogue showed at least four models
> in every size they make, all of which look much the same... so it's
> still a case of choosing carefully.

Well, it is, but sometimes even that won't save you.



--
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Regards,
Noddy.

[lindsay]

On 3/03/2013 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 03/03/13 7:13 PM, lindsay wrote:
>
>> Festool now sell all their hand tools in plastic crates called
>> systainers, which add about $50.00 to the tool. For me, they are a
>> waste, as the tools get used every second day. They are top quality
>> tools tho.
>
> They are, and there's not too many professional joinery shops that don't
> use them. There is, however, a fair bit of "well, they use them so they
> must be good" going around.
>
> You can see that highlighted to real good effect in panel shops. For
> *decades* panel shops have been using buffing machines made by an
> Italian company call Rupes. Now, Italians aren't normally associated
> with quality tools :), and the "Rupes" brand is virtually unheard of
> outside of the crash repair industry, but I guarantee you virtually
> every panel shop in the country has at least one Rupes buff as part of
> their tool kit despite their being other buffs on the market that work
> just as well for a lot less money.

Hahaha we had 4 of the fucking BR-51 orbital sanders, (prolly the same
motor body anyway) they used switches faster than a sheet of sandpaper,
and $44.00 per switch plus labour to fix 'em, Festo WTS-150/7 (whilst
more expensive to purchase) became better value, and we didnt have to
wait for switches... Rupes were good early on, but silly things like a
redesigned switch that allows dust in is not a good move. From memory, I
sold them for $100 each.

>
>
>> I have a factory full of Bosch Blue cordless tools, 4 cordless drills, 1
>> power saw, one 3' planer, impact wrench, 2 5" grinders, 3 little 10.8v
>> multi-tools, and a mini sabre saw.. I started buying them 3 years ago.
>> I've had one faulty 18v battery, and one multi-tool fail, coz it was
>> full of fibreglass dust. They replaced both under warranty, which is 1
>> year but extended to 3 years (if you register on-line). A 3 year
>> warranty on professional power tools is awesome.
>
> That's fucking outstanding, and I'd be wrapped with a deal like that.

Yep, thats why I went with them, a tradies warranty for 3 years!
It only matters when you have to use it tho.

>> Afaik, Ryobi was GMC's replacement, and is built down to a price.
>
> It is, and I'm certainly not recommending their stuff per se', but for
> the part timer on a budget it's probably worth a try. I don't know
> Trev's particular circumstances and they may be totally unsuitable for him.
>
>
>> Probably ok for occasional domestic use tho. Makita have 2 levels of
>> power tools as well, we also use makita corded 4" angle grinders. For
>> $75, when they wear out, in the bin they go. They normally last a couple
>> of years which is very good, considering the enviorment and the ammount
>> of work they do.
>
> I normally get about 12 months out of them, but it can vary. I was
> actually using one today and looking through the cupboard I realised
> that I've got 4 inch grinders, 2 4 and a half, 1 5 inch, and two 7's
> that currently all work, and almost as many that are dead and waiting
> for me to turf. The pick of the bunch is the 5 inch Makita which is an
> awesome grinder, but I've never been able to buy another one like it.
> The best of the 4 inchers is a Bosch.

And I'll bet you cant buy them anymore... I used to use Metabo 4"
grinders because they had a narrow body on them, which was more
comfortable if grinding for a long time.Of course, when time came to
replace it, they changed designs, and their 4' grinders were as thick as
a kilo chub of Don strasburg.

Cheers...

[John_H]

Probably not, it's just that I haven't been caught with a dud Hitachi
grinder yet. When I am I'll almost certainly look elsewhere. Parts
are also readily available, which is probably why I've still got the
first one I ever owned. :)

Aesthetics also come into it. I once inherited a very old, very
large, very powerful and extremely ugly Makita angle grinder (200mm
from memory). Fit a new disc and give to the hired help to use and
I'll absolutely guarantee the next time I look in on 'em they'll have
found themselves an Hitachi to replace it.

--
John H

[D Walford]

Know what you mean, I've had other B&D power tools that didn't last long.
Other angle grinders fail because the dust gets in and destroys the
bearings, the seals on the B&D bearings must be very good.
Last week I bought a Makita 18v grinder, I already have other Makita 18V
tools so I already have 3 batteries and a charger so it made sense to
buy more Makita.


Daryl

[D Walford]

True but tradies hate power leads these days especially on big
commercial building sites where union rule have made it a PITA to use
240v tools, test and tag every 3 mths, tags must be the correct colour
for the time of the year, only certain types of leads allowed (must have
clear plugs and sockets) and no leads allowed on the ground, all tools
must have their own safety switch etc etc so battery tools are much easier.
When I was looking to buy a reciprocating saw I looked at battery and
240v, I ended up buying a DeWalt 240v and its a lot more powerful and
has a longer stroke than the battery versions.


Daryl

[John_H]

Some of their trade lines were once considered top of the heap... I
think that may have especially applied to their early battery operated
tools. They even used to make valve refacers, among other things,
which had a good reputation. I seem to recall someone once telling me
that the US armed services had large numbers of them.

Their home handyman lines have always been complete crap.

--
John H

[Noddy]

On 04/03/13 10:00 AM, lindsay wrote:

> Hahaha we had 4 of the fucking BR-51 orbital sanders, (prolly the same
> motor body anyway) they used switches faster than a sheet of sandpaper,
> and $44.00 per switch plus labour to fix 'em, Festo WTS-150/7 (whilst
> more expensive to purchase) became better value, and we didnt have to
> wait for switches... Rupes were good early on, but silly things like a
> redesigned switch that allows dust in is not a good move. From memory, I
> sold them for $100 each.

I forgot about their sanders. Cunts of things :) Yeah, there's a good
market for second hand stuff. A lot of the week-end woodducks think
their stuff is the shit and they just *have* to have it.

> Yep, thats why I went with them, a tradies warranty for 3 years!
> It only matters when you have to use it tho.

True enough but they're putting the product on the line. It's a pretty
amazing call.

> And I'll bet you cant buy them anymore... I used to use Metabo 4"
> grinders because they had a narrow body on them, which was more
> comfortable if grinding for a long time.Of course, when time came to
> replace it, they changed designs, and their 4' grinders were as thick as
> a kilo chub of Don strasburg.

Grouse :)


--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 04/03/13 10:38 AM, John_H wrote:

> Aesthetics also come into it. I once inherited a very old, very
> large, very powerful and extremely ugly Makita angle grinder (200mm
> from memory). Fit a new disc and give to the hired help to use and
> I'll absolutely guarantee the next time I look in on 'em they'll have
> found themselves an Hitachi to replace it.

Some of their older stuff was pretty good. I've got an older 2 speed 7
inch grinder/polisher that I've head for years and is great, and my
absolute favourite is a long handled 5 inch 10,000rpm grinder. It's the
best grinder I've ever used bar none and I'll be willing to pay a pretty
penny to resurrect it if and when it eventually dies.



--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[bru...@topmail.co.nz]

On Sunday, 3 March 2013 18:24:12 UTC+8, Noddy wrote:
> I doubt if I'll be saying that about the Makita drill I bought a few
>
> weeks ago in 15 years time.

> Regards,
>
> Noddy.

I have a Metabo "heavy duty" drill that was made in West Germany, therefore
at least 23 years old. It had a hard life and still works fine. Recently
had to replace the power cable, which had perished, but mechanically it
is unstoppable.

[Jason James]

On Monday, March 4, 2013 1:32:25 PM UTC+11, Noddy wrote:

> On 04/03/13 10:38 AM, John_H wrote: > Aesthetics also come into it. I once inherited a very old, very > large, very powerful and extremely ugly Makita angle grinder (200mm > from memory). Fit a new disc and give to the hired help to use and > I'll absolutely guarantee the next time I look in on 'em they'll have > found themselves an Hitachi to replace it. Some of their older stuff was pretty good. I've got an older 2 speed 7 inch grinder/polisher that I've head for years and is great, and my absolute favourite is a long handled 5 inch 10,000rpm grinder. It's the best grinder I've ever used bar none and I'll be willing to pay a pretty penny to resurrect it if and when it eventually dies.

Way back in the late '70s, I had an Austin 1800 wreck in my yard, which I had to get to the tip. I borrowed a aluminium-case B&D 4" angle grinder from work with about 6 thin cutting/grinder disks I purchased myself. That grinder cut-up the entire body shell without missing a beat. It took all of the disks to complete the job. I cut the roof off, door-frames off, then cut-up the floor into 4 pieces. At times, I had to let the grinder's case cool down to hold. Fantastic design :-)

Jason

[John_H]

bru...@topmail.co.nz wrote:
>
>I have a Metabo "heavy duty" drill that was made in West Germany, therefore
>at least 23 years old. It had a hard life and still works fine. Recently
>had to replace the power cable, which had perished, but mechanically it
>is unstoppable.

I've still got a Wolf 3/8" drill that was manufactured in 1938 and a
GE bench grinder that's somewhat older (probably around 1927). The
grinder is still in daily use (it's the only one I've ever owned) and
the drill gets used regularly. Both were ex garage equipment before I
inherited them.

I've occasionally repacked the gearbox and bearings in the drill and
bearings in the grinder... both of which are worthwhile exercises in
power tools that get a lot of use if you want them to last forever.
I've always regarded power cords, leads and brushes as consumables,
likewise drill chucks... best of which are Metabo keyless (though they
tend be unaffordable nowadays)

--
John H

[Trevor Wilson]

On 3/5/2013 4:19 PM, David Zyk wrote:
>
>>
>> Any experience with the modern AEG (not interested in knowing about the
>> old German AEG, which I am sure was very good)?
>>

>> --
>> Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
>
> AEG, MILWAUKEE, AND RYOBI all come out of the same factory in China
> and are all owned by TTI as are Homelite, DirtDevil, Hoover, NRG and
> Vax
>
> \So they are all same same in a different frock
>
> Just like DeWalt is same same a Black-Decker in a yellow frock
>

**Interesting. You're certain about that? DeWalt and Milwaukee are
excellent products. Ryobi, not so much.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[D Walford]

Its possible they come out of the same factory but its obvious they are
very different products, DeWalt is B&D's tradesman range.


Daryl

[Trevor Wilson]

On 3/6/2013 6:53 AM, David Zyk wrote:
> On Mar 5, 3:50 pm, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>

> When has David Z ever been wrong? :-)
>
> I was involved with somebody who is doing the marketing for them, so i
> know it as fact!
>
> Here is what your looking for:
>
> http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands
>
> Its the same as a Caprice/Calais being a Commodore with leather etc
> [in car language]

**Interesting. Thanks for that. Certainly places some things into
perspective. I owned a Ryobi battery drill (when they were made in
Japan). It was an expensive unit and the gearbox was a POS. Then I owned
a Ryobi electric chainsaw. It was a POS, which, when a small locking pin
broke rendered the chainsaw useless. Ryobi did not carry the item as a
spare part. I went and purchased a Homelite chainsaw (not realising that
they were owned by the parent company of Ryobi) and it still functions
perfectly today. It is an excellent product and was not expensive.

It would seem that after TTI purchased Ryobi that their QC has improved
markedly.

Conclusion: The AEG products may be well worth a close look.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[Fraser Johnston]

On 3/03/13 2:23 PM, Clocky wrote:

> Agreed. Makita and Hitachi seems to be tradies choice.
> Certainly the Makita tools I have owned have always been very good.

I'm in agreement. I have a 14.4 Nicad makita that has taken a decade of
abuse and won't die. I've got a new 18 volt Makita hammer drill and it
drills brick better than my corded one.
--

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

On 3/03/13 8:50 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 03/03/13 11:10 PM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>> You would be surprised how handy the torch can be. For me, all battery
>> powered handtools are a pain in the proverbial as they need to be
>> regularly charged.
>
> That's the general idea. There's not much point in charging them only
> when you need them, as things tend to get a little s l o w...
>
>> I need them only occasionally and I'm always near a
>> cord and power point.
>
> Fine if you are, but a lot of tradies aren't. Even those who are often
> find battery power more convenient to 240.

If you are working on a roof dragging a cord around is a pain in the arse.


--

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

On 4/03/13 7:00 AM, lindsay wrote:

> And I'll bet you cant buy them anymore... I used to use Metabo 4"
> grinders because they had a narrow body on them, which was more
> comfortable if grinding for a long time.Of course, when time came to
> replace it, they changed designs, and their 4' grinders were as thick as
> a kilo chub of Don strasburg.
>
> Cheers...

I only buy cheap angle grinders. I consider them as disposable as the
disks. Every other tool I buy quality. It isn't like an angle grinder
is a precision tool.
--

Fraser

[timmy...@gmail.com]

Just putting my 2cents in here; I am a landscaper and have AEG (newer type) 18v hammer drill impact driver kit also the 7 1/4 brushless skilly been using it daily for past 8 months and am well impressed

[dvp...@gmail.com]

Absolutely, agree with that. Ozito are cheap and not too bad for their price !

[Trevor Wilson]

On 21/08/2015 7:03 PM, dvp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Absolutely, agree with that. Ozito are cheap and not too bad for their price !
>

**Well, yes, they are. Right up to the point when you actually use a
high quality tool. Ozito are fine for 'weekend warriors'. Cheap,
reliable and they do the job.

[ANECDOTE] I have an Ozito rotary hammer drill. Cost: $69.95. I've been
using it for 8 years, to drill holes in concrete, hard bricks, rocks and
the like. I have also made extensive use of the chisel function. About 3
years back, I was doing a job at a client's home and found the need to
chisel some concrete and brick. I didn't have my Ozito. I managed to
persuade a builder working next door to loan me his rotary hammer drill.
It was an old Bosch (blue series - made in Switzerland). Hot knife
through butter! It was an absolute joy to use. Low vibration, VERY
controllable and MUCH better than the Ozito. Worth spending 5 ~ 6 times
the price of the Ozito? Probably not for me, but if I used one every
single day, I'd buy the Bosch in a heartbeat.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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