trailer load legalities

[F Murtz]

Could any one point me in the direction of a definitive answer.
I found this on the net.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/2005_10_towingtrailers.pdf

In it under loading trailers,It says,
Loads that project more than 1.2 m behind a trailer
must have a red flag attached to the end of the load.
This flag must be at least 300 mm square and clearly
visible.

I asked an old highway cycle cop (who had pulled me up towing the
trailer I am building to a weighbridge to give me the rounds of the
kitchen for not booking the weighbridge in advance.) what over hang is
permissible given that anything over 1.2 metres had to have a red flag
but I did one not know what maximum, he stated categorically that
anything over 1.2 metres and he would book me.
I was not quick enough to point out that in that case the red flag bit
was redundant.

[Noddy]

On 07/08/13 11:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> Could any one point me in the direction of a definitive answer.

What's the actual question? :)

If you were in Victoria, I could tell you that the maximum allowable
overhang on a trailer must not exceed the length of the load carrying
area ahead of the overhang line.

Clear as mud, right?

Basically, Vicroads determines the overhang line to be the centre of an
axle on a single axle trailer, or the centre of the axle combination on
a tandem or tri-axle. The load carrying area is the length between this
imaginary line and the front of the trailer's bodywork (excluding the
drawbar).

So, effectively what they're saying is the "overhang" area is the area
immediately behind the centre of the trailer's axle assembly, and the
maximum amount shall not be greater than the forward half of the
trailer. Since most trailers axle assemblies are roughly centred, the
maximum amount of overhang allowed past the trailer's *rear bodywork* is
zip, or close enough to it.

This would give you an idea of what Vicroads is talking about:
> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/HeavyVehicles/InformationBulletins/RearOverhangLimitsforCarsTrucks.htm

If you're not in Victoria then this information is likely to be
redundant, as the laws vary from state to state.





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[Diesel Damo]

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:30:55 PM UTC+10, F Murtz wrote:

> give me the rounds of the kitchen

?

> anything over 1.2 metres had to have a red flag
> but I did one not know what maximum,

Are you asking what the legal maximum overhang is without a red flag?

[F Murtz]

no, The NSW govt blurb in the document I mentioned says 1.2 metres,
anything over needs a red flag but gives no maximum

[D Walford]

You seem to be saying that up to 1.2mtrs doesn't require a red flag and
that sounds very wrong to me, saying anything over 0.2mtr requires a red
flag makes more sense.
I can 100% guarantee that an overhang of 1.2mtrs could get you fined in
Vic, my son's business had 5 8X5 tandem trailers installing solar panels
and they often used to carry 6mtr lengths of aluminium mounting rails,
8' is approx 2.45mtrs so there was a lot of overhang front and rear and
even with a flag several people were fined.
I think you said that you were building the trailer for a specific job
so why not build it long enough so there is no or very little overhang?

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[Feral]

On 8/08/2013 08:31, F Murtz wrote:

> no, The NSW govt blurb in the document I mentioned says 1.2 metres,
> anything over needs a red flag but gives no maximum

The publication you have cited is 2005.

A more recent one (2012) states:

"No more than the length of front loading space or 3.7 meters, whichever
is the lesser."

> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi5.pdf

see section 3A - pig trailer.

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[D Walford]

Strange that laws vary but true, mate in Qld says that the cops up there
fine you if you have any overhang at all from a trailer, in Vic the
police seem more tolerant to such things but there are limits.


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[D Walford]

On 08/08/2013 9:32 AM, D Walford wrote:
> On 08/08/2013 8:31 AM, F Murtz wrote:
>> Diesel Damo wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:30:55 PM UTC+10, F Murtz wrote:
>>>
>>>> give me the rounds of the kitchen
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>> anything over 1.2 metres had to have a red flag
>>>> but I did one not know what maximum,
>>>
>>> Are you asking what the legal maximum overhang is without a red flag?
>>>
>> no, The NSW govt blurb in the document I mentioned says 1.2 metres,
>> anything over needs a red flag but gives no maximum
>
> You seem to be saying that up to 1.2mtrs doesn't require a red flag and
> that sounds very wrong to me, saying anything over 0.2mtr requires a red
> flag makes more sense.

I checked out the link that feral posted and it does say that a flag is
only required if the rear projection exceeds 1.2mtrs which I find to be
odd since IMO its a dangerous practise.




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[F Murtz]

Feral wrote:
> On 8/08/2013 08:31, F Murtz wrote:
>
>> no, The NSW govt blurb in the document I mentioned says 1.2 metres,
>> anything over needs a red flag but gives no maximum
>
> The publication you have cited is 2005.
>
> A more recent one (2012) states:
>
> "No more than the length of front loading space or 3.7 meters, whichever
> is the lesser."
>
>> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi5.pdf
>
> see section 3A - pig trailer.
>

That would make it awkward for me as I built it 5 metres long knowing
that at least 1.2 metres overhang was allowed in nsw by the only
publication I could find (should have made it 6 metres if that is correct)
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/yzesz01gf728nrc/1aByUoIXhT

[atec77]

more than a simple 1.2 but that's close
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Loads-and-towing/Projecting-loads.aspx

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[F Murtz]

It looks like I may be alright according to this bit.


Light vehicle and trailer combination
Rear projection (RP): 1.2 metres (may exceed 1.2 metresunder certain
conditions – see ‘Warning devices for
projecting loads or equipment - light vehicles’ below)
Rear overhang (ROH): no more than the length of the front loading space
or 3.7 metres, whichever is the lesser.
If the trailer in this combination is loaded with rowing boats, see VSI
No. 43 Transporting rowing
boatsfor more information.
If the trailer in this combination is loaded with a small yacht, see VSI
No. 62 Transporting yachts
on trailersfor more information.


this bit here.



Warning devices for projecting loads or equipment – light vehicles
A light vehicle, or a light vehicle and trailer combination, may have a
rear projection exceeding
1.2 metres if the overall length of the vehicle or combination,together
with the loading or
equipment on it, is within the relevantlimits fixed by the Regulation i.e.
• 12.5 metres in the case of a light vehicle
• 19.0 metres in the case of a lightvehicle and trailer combination.
If the rear projection is greater than 1.2 metres, the rear of the load
or equipment must have
attached a brightly coloured flag or piece of material not less than 300
mm square. In addition to
the flag, when travelling at night or in adverse weather conditions that
restrictvisibility, a red light
or at least two red reflectors must be attached:
• the red light needs to be seen for 200 metres
• the reflectors need to be capable of projecting a red reflection of
light.
These requirements also apply to any load or equipment that projects
less than 1.2 metres if it
projects in such a way that it is not readily visible to a person
following immediately behind the vehic

[D Walford]

What are you planning to carry and how long is it?

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[Feral]

On 8/08/2013 10:20, F Murtz wrote:

> It looks like I may be alright according to this bit.

As your axle is exactly in the middle of the load carrying area you
can't have any ROH, unless for specific circumstances as stated by the RTA.

ie: you couldn't have planks or pipes and such overhanging at all (as
your load length in front of the axle is the same as the load length
behind the axle (the "lesser" is taken remember).

If you had placed the axle further back, then you could have determined
a ROH by their formula. You cannot have the axle any further forward
than the mid point of the load area (that would be where the A-frame
begins), but you can have it further back.

Tool box's don't count for weight over the coupling any more. :-(

[Pelican]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ktti50$h8g$1...@dont-email.me...

For your everyday domestic/home trailer in NSW, there are two sets of
regulations. One concerns manufacture, and is probably not your problem.
Two concerns safety, and may be your problem. So far as overhang is
concerned, there seems to be only one rule in NSW -
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s292.html.

292 Insecure or overhanging load

A driver must not drive or tow a vehicle if the vehicle is carrying a load
that:
(a) is not properly secured to the vehicle, or
(b) is placed on the vehicle in a way that causes the vehicle to be
unstable, or
(c) projects from the vehicle in a way that is likely to injure a
person, obstruct the path of other drivers or pedestrians, or damage a
vehicle or anything else (for example, the road surface).
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Note: Other laws of this jurisdiction may deal with the loading of
vehicles and carrying loads on vehicles.

There are further rules in various places where the situation is not that of
your everyday domestic/home trailer. It would be interesting to know what
rule that old highway cycle cop would use to book you. My guess is that it
wouldn't be an infringement ticket.

[Sylvia Else]

There's

www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtlaar2005441/s53.html

The cop appears aware of (4) and (1), but not (2).

Sylvia.

[Pelican]

"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:b6gau2...@mid.individual.net...

Purely a guess, but the cop is unlikely to have ever had the occasion to
trawl through these all rules. My further guess is that no-one responsible
for road traffic has been bothered to go through all these rules and check
for relevance/consistency in the last 50 years or so, and certainly no-one
with a commitment to plain English. The basic Road Rules are convoluted
enough, but when the full spectrum off possible rules are looked at, it's a
bit of a nightmare.

[Sylvia Else]

I didn't mean to the suggest that the policeman had read the law -
heaven forbid. Just that he was only partially aware of its effect.

Sylvia.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <ktuo75$361$1...@dont-email.me>, hag...@hotmail.com says...

> Rear overhang (ROH): no more than the length of the front loading space
> or 3.7 metres, whichever is the lesser.
>

I take it the 'front loading space' is length of the section of tray forward of
the axle, if dual axle I'd imagine it would be from the centre point between the
two axles?? Best ring them and get them to please explain.

Al
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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 8:31 AM, F Murtz wrote:

> no, The NSW govt blurb in the document I mentioned says 1.2 metres,
> anything over needs a red flag but gives no maximum

Well, it actually does. The maximum length of the combined
vehcile/tailer/load combination is 19 metres.


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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 9:32 AM, D Walford wrote:

> You seem to be saying that up to 1.2mtrs doesn't require a red flag and
> that sounds very wrong to me, saying anything over 0.2mtr requires a red
> flag makes more sense.

I was pulled over and told by a copper years ago that anything hanging
out more than a metre needed a flag. Not that I would expect a copper to
know jack shit about the road rules, but it sounded reasonable to me.

> I can 100% guarantee that an overhang of 1.2mtrs could get you fined in
> Vic, my son's business had 5 8X5 tandem trailers installing solar panels
> and they often used to carry 6mtr lengths of aluminium mounting rails,
> 8' is approx 2.45mtrs so there was a lot of overhang front and rear and
> even with a flag several people were fined.
> I think you said that you were building the trailer for a specific job

Which is ridiculous really as you're allowed to have an overhang out the
back of a ute.

> so why not build it long enough so there is no or very little overhang?

My understanding is that he wants to carry 8 metre lengths of steel, and
unless he needs them 8 metres long for whatever he's doing I don't know
why he doesn't just get the steel merchant to cut them into a more
manageable size.



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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 9:39 AM, Feral wrote:

> The publication you have cited is 2005.
>
> A more recent one (2012) states:
>
> "No more than the length of front loading space or 3.7 meters, whichever
> is the lesser."
>
>> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi5.pdf
>
> see section 3A - pig trailer.

That's for truck tray & trailer body configurations. You need to see the
article on page 17 under the heading "Light vehicle and trailer
combination".

It basically states that the maximum rear projection is limited by the
maximum allowable length of the vehicle combination, which is 19 metres
for a car & trailer.





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[Feral]

On 8/08/2013 13:37, Noddy wrote:
> On 08/08/13 9:39 AM, Feral wrote:
>
>> The publication you have cited is 2005.
>>
>> A more recent one (2012) states:
>>
>> "No more than the length of front loading space or 3.7 meters, whichever
>> is the lesser."
>>
>>> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi5.pdf
>>
>> see section 3A - pig trailer.
>
> That's for truck tray & trailer body configurations. You need to see the
> article on page 17 under the heading "Light vehicle and trailer
> combination".

Did you read 3A?

"Examples of a Pig trailer include a box trailer and a boat trailer."

> It basically states that the maximum rear projection is limited by the
> maximum allowable length of the vehicle combination, which is 19 metres
> for a car & trailer.




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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 2:30 PM, Feral wrote:

> Did you read 3A?
>
> "Examples of a Pig trailer include a box trailer and a boat trailer."

You need to read further down in the section applicable to light vehicles.

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[Feral]

On 8/08/2013 14:35, Noddy wrote:
> On 08/08/13 2:30 PM, Feral wrote:
>
>> Did you read 3A?
>>
>> "Examples of a Pig trailer include a box trailer and a boat trailer."
>
> You need to read further down in the section applicable to light vehicles.

Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
would be pinged.

[D Walford]

Or just get it delivered which would be cheaper and safer than a trailer.

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[D Walford]

On 08/08/2013 2:52 PM, Feral wrote:
> On 8/08/2013 14:35, Noddy wrote:
>> On 08/08/13 2:30 PM, Feral wrote:
>>
>>> Did you read 3A?
>>>
>>> "Examples of a Pig trailer include a box trailer and a boat trailer."
>>
>> You need to read further down in the section applicable to light
>> vehicles.
>
> Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
> centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
> back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
> would be pinged.
>
>

Agree, 1.2mtrs overhang is asking to be fined, its also not very safe
and could damage whatever is being carried.

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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 2:52 PM, Feral wrote:

> Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
> centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
> back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
> would be pinged.

Refer to the text. The length of the rear projection is limited by the
overall length of the vehicle/trailer/load combination.


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[Feral]

A 5 meter car, a 5 meter trailer and a 9 meter RP??????????

[F Murtz]

It would not be often that eight metres would be wanted mainly 6
metres,but would like to be be able to carry eight metres in a blue moon.
The reason for the trailer is the cost of shipping, About five
deliveries and my trailer is paid for.

[F Murtz]

Feral wrote:
> On 8/08/2013 10:20, F Murtz wrote:
>
>> It looks like I may be alright according to this bit.
>
>
> As your axle is exactly in the middle of the load carrying area you
> can't have any ROH, unless for specific circumstances as stated by the RTA.

It is not in the middle It is about eight inches back , which does not
seem to matter if you read the bit toward the end of the publication
shown below.

>
> ie: you couldn't have planks or pipes and such overhanging at all (as
> your load length in front of the axle is the same as the load length
> behind the axle (the "lesser" is taken remember).

You don't seem to have read the thing you posted.

Warning devices for projecting loads or equipment – light vehicles
A light vehicle, or a light vehicle and trailer combination, may have a
rear projection exceeding
1.2 metres if the overall length of the vehicle or combination,together
with the loading or

equipment on it, is within the relevant limits fixed by the Regulation i.e.

• 12.5 metres in the case of a light vehicle

• 19.0 metres in the case of a light vehicle and trailer combination.

If the rear projection is greater than 1.2 metres, the rear of the load
or equipment must have
attached a brightly coloured flag or piece of material not less than 300
mm square. In addition to
the flag, when travelling at night or in adverse weather conditions that

restrict visibility, a red light

or at least two red reflectors must be attached:
• the red light needs to be seen for 200 metres
• the reflectors need to be capable of projecting a red reflection of
light.
These requirements also apply to any load or equipment that projects
less than 1.2 metres if it
projects in such a way that it is not readily visible to a person

following immediately behind the vehicle.

[F Murtz]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <ktuo75$361$1...@dont-email.me>, hag...@hotmail.com says...
>> Rear overhang (ROH): no more than the length of the front loading space
>> or 3.7 metres, whichever is the lesser.
>>
> I take it the 'front loading space' is length of the section of tray forward of
> the axle, if dual axle I'd imagine it would be from the centre point between the
> two axles?? Best ring them and get them to please explain.
>
> Al
>

It is what you say but the ROH refers to the trailer construction not
the load overhang.

[F Murtz]

The trailer main body is 5 metres and the draw bar is almost a metre, so
I think I will be able to manage. It has no front or back ( the rail
across the back is removable)
Mainly up to 6 metres long stuff as most bits of pipe & steel and some
timber is that long and now that I don't have a truck or ute any more
and this trailer did not cost much to build and I think is going to cost
about $50 rego and no inspection each year it is going to save cartage
costs. I am retired and live out of the city and can organize
my trips to the city to cover different things so it will end up much
cheaper.

the main rails of the trailer for instance would have cost as much in
shipping as the steel but I picked it up before selling my pantech.

[F Murtz]

Yes, Which would be a bit odd as that would allow about 8 metres load
overhang ???

[F Murtz]

Feral wrote:
> On 8/08/2013 14:35, Noddy wrote:
>> On 08/08/13 2:30 PM, Feral wrote:
>>
>>> Did you read 3A?
>>>
>>> "Examples of a Pig trailer include a box trailer and a boat trailer."
>>
>> You need to read further down in the section applicable to light
>> vehicles.
>
> Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
> centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
> back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
> would be pinged.
>
>

The axle is not in the centre (8" behind) but the rp refers to how much
the back of the trailer is behind the axles, not the load projection.

[Feral]

On 8/08/2013 20:29, F Murtz wrote:
> Feral wrote:

>> Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
>> centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
>> back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
>> would be pinged.
>>
>>
> The axle is not in the centre (8" behind) but the rp refers to how much
> the back of the trailer is behind the axles, not the load projection.

No, that would be ROH. RP is the overhang. I'm also thinking 1 meter
back would be better, to give more load forward over the coupling.

[F Murtz]

Feral wrote:
> On 8/08/2013 20:29, F Murtz wrote:
>> Feral wrote:
>
>>> Same info. The diagram is quite self-explanatory. The axle is behind the
>>> centre of the load area, whereas Fred's is central. He needs the axle
>>> back further to facilitate a 1.2 meter RP to be safe. I am quite sure he
>>> would be pinged.
>>>
>>>
>> The axle is not in the centre (8" behind) but the rp refers to how much
>> the back of the trailer is behind the axles, not the load projection.
>
> No, that would be ROH. RP is the overhang. I'm also thinking 1 meter
> back would be better, to give more load forward over the coupling.
>

It is the ROH But the load projection rules are on page 17 and seem a
bit silly but seem the law so I can probably have more than the 1.2
metres with the flag etc.

[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 6:11 PM, Feral wrote:

> A 5 meter car, a 5 meter trailer and a 9 meter RP??????????

That's what it says. 19m maximum.

The 3.7m you referred to earlier is the maximum length of the bodywork
extending past the overhand line. It's usually 60% of the wheelbase up
to 3.7m max.



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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 8:40 PM, Feral wrote:

> No, that would be ROH. RP is the overhang.

No, ROH is the overhang. RP is the rear projection. The "overhang"
refers to the maximum length of the vehicle body past the ROH line. The
rear projection is the load.

> I'm also thinking 1 meter
> back would be better, to give more load forward over the coupling.

The general rule for trailers is 1 inch rear of centre for every foot of
tray/box length.



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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 8:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> Yes, Which would be a bit odd as that would allow about 8 metres load
> overhang ???

As odd as it may seem, that's what it says.

Obviously 8 metres is a *tad* on the extreme side, but I think what
they're saying is that 1.2 metres is the generally accepted limit but
you're allowed to go longer if safety isn't compromised.




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[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 9:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> It is the ROH But the load projection rules are on page 17 and seem a
> bit silly but seem the law so I can probably have more than the 1.2
> metres with the flag etc.

At the end of the day how relevant the law is to you depends on how firm
you are in your conviction to see it successfully applied. In my opinion
there's not much value in being right and proper if a cop who is
ignorant of the law is going to pinch you every time you hit the road.




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[F Murtz]

I fixed the axle at 20% trailer weight load on the ball (which may or
may not be right way to do it.)

[D Walford]

You must live in an out of the way location for that to be true and once
your project is finished the trailer will be next to useless so to me it
still seems like a bad idea.

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[D Walford]

What's interesting is that no one agrees on an interpretation of the
rules so its pot luck finding a cop who knows the rules and its a very
good chance that the cops would have a much difficultly with the law as
we do.
Unless he wants to spend a lot of time and money in court arguing about
the law I would err on the side of caution and avoid any significant
rear projection which IMO would be no more than 0.5mtr.
If I was building a trailer to mostly carrying something 6mtrs long it
would be at least 6mtrs long, it makes no sense to build it shorter.

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[F Murtz]

100 klm from sydney
>
I have a box trailer and I will probably use this more.

I can use it other than for lengths of pipe and steel, for instance 3.6
m or 4.8 m x 1.2 metre sheets of ply, chipboard etc could be carried
upright in a configuration like glass is carried similar to those
ridiculous waste of space billboards (a frame like)I could probably get
more used pallets stacked on edge than I can fit on the box trailer even
though it is narrow.
5.5 metre lengths of poly roof sheeting like I had to get someone to
carry the other day.

[Noddy]

On 08/08/13 10:35 PM, D Walford wrote:

> What's interesting is that no one agrees on an interpretation of the
> rules so its pot luck finding a cop who knows the rules and its a very
> good chance that the cops would have a much difficultly with the law as
> we do.

Agreed. The difference being that none of us wear a badge, think we know
all there is to know about the law and carry an infringement book :)






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[Brad]

A couple of years ago i had to transport a 3.5 metre mast on an 8ft flat top trailer, from Vic to NSW. I was able to secure the load forward of centre and partly along the draw bar, as well as overhang at the rear. It 'just' fitted. I carried a copy of the Vic and NSW rules with me, as well as a sketch of my own showing the dimensions of the load and trailer to prove I was within the law. It was a bit time consuming, but it was a one-off trip and I was ready for them in case I was pulled over.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <ca602a26-fe0e-425e...@googlegroups.com>,
brad...@gmail.com says...

> was ready for them in case I was pulled over.
>

Ewww pulled over by cops.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.

[peter.b...@gmail.com]

What is the maxamum overhang at rear of a box trailor in NSW

[Xeno]

On 11/5/20 6:26 pm, peter.b...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is the maxamum overhang at rear of a box trailor in NSW
>

It will be on the RMS website. That's the best place to look.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[F Murtz]

On 11/5/20 7:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/5/20 6:26 pm, peter.b...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What is the maxamum overhang at rear of a box trailor in NSW
>>
> It will be on the RMS website. That's the best place to look.
>

1.2 metres without flags etc but you can exceed that
by a fair bit but you must have a red flag and at night reflectors etc

[Lindsay]

On 11/05/2020 7:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/5/20 6:26 pm, peter.b...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What is the maxamum overhang at rear of a box trailor in NSW
>>
> It will be on the RMS website. That's the best place to look.

Awesome advice there, Peter.

Hang on, Fearless Flog, Why arent you actually enquiring about the
sudden influx of "gmail" users... Maybe it's *you* asking these
questions, because you have no-one to post about for days at a time.
Maybe your using your 8 computers to create shit to reply to, which
keeps the flogs busy whilst sipping their latte?

It's you, Isnt it, Tomas Clasener... Bwahahahahahahahaha :-D

I mean, you have form of creating non-de-plumes... Right Krypsis,
Xenolith, George, Xeno ? Whoops, you wont answer because your hiding
behind a supremely gutless killfile...

You are a *proven liar, hypocrite, big-noter and all-round dead cunt*
Tomas Clasener. This little clutch at straws is not beyond you. it's
your MO.

You've mouthed off with your usual crap, but yet to provide *PROOF* of
your accusations...As usual. You lot of super sleuths should be able to
track down and nail Noddy for this crime you accuse him of.. away you
go, flogs!


Waiting!

Waiting!

Stick your *proof* here.... Or prove yourselves as the sad sack of shit
again.. As usual. C'mon Tomas, straighten that imitation spine you
have, and say something truthful .. Nope. Your DNA (hahahahahah) cant
do it.











enough room, Princesses? No?


I thought so. :-D


>


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First xeno says "They were deleted. Noddy deleted them".
Then he was asked to show the threads the deleted posts were in.
"I know where the threads are. The posts are no longer there." he said.
So show us the threads, we asked. This is where he goes real quiet..
Then we laughed at the liar who snookered himself with his own lies
"I have redressed it and it's no longer an issue. Simple as that."

[Noddy]

On 11/05/2020 9:21 pm, Lindsay wrote:
> On 11/05/2020 7:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/5/20 6:26 pm, peter.b...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> What is the maxamum overhang at rear of a box trailor in NSW
>>>
>> It will be on the RMS website. That's the best place to look.
>
> Awesome advice there, Peter.
>
> Hang on, Fearless Flog, Why arent you actually enquiring about the
> sudden influx of "gmail" users... Maybe it's *you*  asking these
> questions, because you have no-one to post about for days at a time.
> Maybe your using  your 8 computers to create shit to reply to, which
> keeps the flogs busy whilst sipping their latte?
>
> It's you, Isnt it, Tomas Clasener... Bwahahahahahahahaha :-D

Hahahahahha :) Just when I was starting to enjoy being blamed for it :)

> I mean, you have form of creating non-de-plumes... Right Krypsis,
> Xenolith, George, Xeno ? Whoops, you wont answer because your hiding
> behind a supremely gutless killfile...

He will now :)

> You are a *proven liar, hypocrite, big-noter and all-round dead cunt*
> Tomas Clasener. This little clutch at straws is not beyond you. it's
> your MO.
>
> You've mouthed off with your usual crap, but yet to provide *PROOF* of
> your accusations...As usual.  You lot of super sleuths should be able to
> track down and nail Noddy for this crime you accuse him of.. away you
> go, flogs!
>
>
> Waiting!
>
> Waiting!

You'll be waiting a while. Despite all the noise they love to repeatedly
make, the only place proof of their claims exists is between their
fucking ears.

> Stick your *proof* here.... Or prove yourselves as the sad sack of shit
> again.. As usual.  C'mon Tomas, straighten that imitation spine you
> have, and say something truthful ..  Nope. Your DNA (hahahahahah) cant
> do it.

You reckon they'd learn, right? I mean how *profoundly* embarrassed
where they by the train incident turning out to be true after both he
and the Beer Bottle screamed "bullshit" and came up with all kinds of
excuses as to why it could never have happened?

:)

> enough room, Princesses? No?
>
>
> I thought so. :-D

Yep. Totally fucking pissweak, but we all knew that already.



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Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

Your claims of being qualified by the dumptruck load, loser :-)

[alvey]

Isn't it good that some Covid restrictions have been lifted? Now Knobbo and
his seeing-eye dog can get out and resume dropping crap everywhere.


You're a joke Knobbo. Always have been, always will be.



alvey
“And then runs off sooking like a little girl with sand up his vagina after
he gets his arse handed to him.” Knobbo having another Mirror Moment,
02Apr18

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[alvey]

Let's stick to the basics:

“Of course you don't, because you have nothing but bullshit.
Make all the noise you like fuckwit, but the *fact* of the matter here
is that if you had smoking gun evidence that proved your claims
conclusively you would have broadcast it in public for all to see so you
could sit back and thumb your braces and say "read it and weep boys".
But you didn't do that, and there is only one reason why that is.” Knobbo
25May18

Knobbo has refused to provide any evidence which "prove his claims" of;

1. Owning a business in Altona.
2. Having multiple qualifications.
3. Owning property in Victoria.
4. Owning property in SEQ.
5. Being offered a 'one only' P76.

And a myriad of other minor, self-glorifying claims.

He now hides behind a (snigger) killfile.

Game over Knobbo. You are a liar, fraud, fool, coward and hypocrite, but
above all, a loser.


alvey

[Xeno]

You're not wrong there. Noddy is only brave enough to come out when his
butt puppy is there to support him.

One thing is for sure, they proved they were involved in the original
trailer post.

Firstly, any NSW resident with a clue knows where to find such trailer
info.

Secondly, I didn't know what the trailer overhang limits were. The last
time I was on the RMS website was when I had to register my trailer in
NSW (in Vic it didn't need registering). The RMS website provided me
with all the info I needed in order to do that. It had a cage so
overhanging loads weren't an issue. So, the RMS website is the obvious
choice for all trailer related legalities.

Thirdly, I was suspicious of the post because it was obviously written
by a phonetic speller so responded with a nothing reply, not even a link
to the RMS website. There's only one of them regularly here, guess who?

>
> You're a joke Knobbo. Always have been, always will be.
>
>
>
> alvey
> “And then runs off sooking like a little girl with sand up his vagina after
> he gets his arse handed to him.” Knobbo having another Mirror Moment,
> 02Apr18
>


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[Xeno]

The word "refused" is not appropriate, "can't" being much more apt.
Refusal and "conditions" are his way of *stalling* the inevitable.

>
> And a myriad of other minor, self-glorifying claims.
>
> He now hides behind a (snigger) killfile.
>
> Game over Knobbo. You are a liar, fraud, fool, coward and hypocrite, but
> above all, a loser.
>
>
> alvey
>

Noddy forgets a lot of things. One is that *his* self aggrandisement is
based on lies and fraudulent claims.

[lindsay]

What a surprise, huh? Tomas screams about backing up claims made, yet
runs away when the same is asked of him. Spineless hypocrisy.

>>>
>>> Yep. Totally fucking pissweak, but we all knew that already.
>>
>> Isn't it good that some Covid restrictions have been lifted? Now
>> Knobbo and
>> his seeing-eye dog can get out and resume dropping crap everywhere.

Just like you and Tommy, huh?

Which gives you something to whine about, windbag.. same shit,just like
Tommy....

> You're not wrong there. Noddy is only brave enough to come out when his
> butt puppy

"Butt puppy"? Awww, Isnt that sweet... :-) Tommys "supremely gutless
killfile" must have a massive hole, as now he's copying what I say...
Bwahahahahaha

> is there to support him.

Like you xenocchio, and your acolyte, Captain Cliche? What a pair of
devoted hypocrites. I guess it becomes more prevalent when old age hits
home...


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"If his story wasn't total and utter bullshit, it would be a doddle for
him to get the info. Trouble is, he was never involved in the incident.
He knows that, I know that and you had best wake up to it. xeno 24/08/14

"I was never in doubt that the accident took place." xeno 12/08/18