Speed Camera tolerances (Victoria)?
Zak Nickotel
crashes, hence, no fatalities, no history of speeding, nothing hazardous about
the section of road. Car's parked just after a bridge that crosses a railway
line, so it's on a bit of a downhill grade.
I was on cruise. The navigator GPS indicated a steady 105 km/h (it's a 100 km/h
zone).
What's the bet whether or not I get a notice from Sen. Sgt R. Ritchie in the
next week or two?
Obviously I don't wish to get one as I'm trying to set a PB for the longest
period of time without incuring a fine or points. I'd like to at least have one
3 year period with no accrued points. But if I do, it'll be interesting as there
are various theories floating about as to the tolerances that speed cameras
operate under.
One is that they don't operate til it detects a vehicle exceeding the posted
limit by 7 km/h or more. You are then issued with a TIN with the detected speed,
of which 3 km/h is subtracted to get the alleged speed.
So, in my case, I'd be safe. But if that's a furphy then I could expect to get a
fine with an alleged speed of 103 km/h in a 100 km/h zone.
Of course, my worry is that the speed camera detects me at a speed higher than
what I was going.
Whatever, I shall post a followup should I receive anything.
--
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
Ron
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I believe you only have a tollerance of 3kph in Victoria.
Local Police told me, Queensland was 10kph, now changed to 8kph.
I have photograhic proof of 70 in a 60 zone.
John_H
>
>I believe you only have a tollerance of 3kph in Victoria.
>Local Police told me, Queensland was 10kph, now changed to 8kph.
>I have photograhic proof of 70 in a 60 zone.
May, or may not be the case with fixed speed cameras, but otherwise
Qld has whatever tolerance the cop who does the booking wants to
apply.
Last time I went past a well hidden mobile camera (which doesn't seem
to happen often) I'd be near certain I was doing somewhere between 110
and 115 in a 100 zone and it didn't trigger. I also know a bloke who
swears he was booked by a mobile radar (and fined) for 101 in a 100
zone... my guess is that the cop didn't like the look of his vehicle
(and neither did I).
You also need to consider the fact that any set tolerance is always
additional to the accuracy of the equipment used. That's to say a
camera that happened to measure 2kph low with a 8kph set tolerance
will allow 70 in 60 zone... if it happened to measure 2kph high you'd
be booked for 67.
I'd also be curious to know just what photographic "proof" you might
have of either the set tolerance or the accuracy of the measuring
equipment? ;-)
--
John H
Sylvia Else
If you do hear from the police, you might be interested in this:
And, in particular, Criterion 2, which relates to siting of cameras on
unsuitable gradients.
Sylvia.
Ron
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> Ron wrote:
>>
>>I believe you only have a tollerance of 3kph in Victoria.
>>Local Police told me, Queensland was 10kph, now changed to 8kph.
>>I have photograhic proof of 70 in a 60 zone.
>
> May, or may not be the case with fixed speed cameras, but otherwise
> Qld has whatever tolerance the cop who does the booking wants to
> apply.
The local Police, who I see nearly every day, told me that "the service"
were given a 10km allowance, that has been reduced to 8.
>
> Last time I went past a well hidden mobile camera (which doesn't seem
> to happen often) I'd be near certain I was doing somewhere between 110
> and 115 in a 100 zone and it didn't trigger. I also know a bloke who
> swears he was booked by a mobile radar (and fined) for 101 in a 100
> zone... my guess is that the cop didn't like the look of his vehicle
> (and neither did I).
I'm told that is true :)
>
> You also need to consider the fact that any set tolerance is always
> additional to the accuracy of the equipment used. That's to say a
> camera that happened to measure 2kph low with a 8kph set tolerance
> will allow 70 in 60 zone... if it happened to measure 2kph high you'd
> be booked for 67.
>
> I'd also be curious to know just what photographic "proof" you might
> have of either the set tolerance or the accuracy of the measuring
> equipment? ;-)
>
Nice photo of my Land Rover, closeup of the number plate, speed reading
and a $100 fine.
It was taken at Kelvin Grove, by a "flash for cash", going down hill!
Pure revenue raising at it's best.!!
FiLthY
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Thanks for that link sylvia, interesting read, may come in handy...
D Walford
> One is that they don't operate til it detects a vehicle exceeding the posted
> limit by 7 km/h or more. You are then issued with a TIN with the detected speed,
> of which 3 km/h is subtracted to get the alleged speed.
>
> So, in my case, I'd be safe. But if that's a furphy then I could expect to get a
> fine with an alleged speed of 103 km/h in a 100 km/h zone.
>
> Of course, my worry is that the speed camera detects me at a speed higher than
> what I was going.
>
> Whatever, I shall post a followup should I receive anything.
If your GPS is accurate I don't think you have a problem.
Daryl
John_H
>> have of either the set tolerance or the accuracy of the measuring
>> equipment? ;-)
>
>Nice photo of my Land Rover, closeup of the number plate, speed reading
>and a $100 fine.
>It was taken at Kelvin Grove, by a "flash for cash", going down hill!
>Pure revenue raising at it's best.!!
As our esteemed Premier recently said... breaking the law isn't
compulsory! Of course she also said that the recently announced 30%
increase in fines is a safety measure not a money grab.
Clearly, if the road toll doesn't drop by 30% we can all expect to get
our money back. ;-)
--
John H
Zak Nickotel
> If you do hear from the police, you might be interested in this:
Thanks.
Just read it.
> And, in particular, Criterion 2, which relates to siting of cameras on
> unsuitable gradients.
I'm not sure whether this gradient counts or not. However, if I do get a TIN the
first thing that I'll be doing is to go back to where it occured and check it
out.
--
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.
Kev
> Ron wrote:
I also know a bloke who
> swears he was booked by a mobile radar (and fined) for 101 in a 100
> zone... my guess is that the cop didn't like the look of his vehicle
> (and neither did I).
Yeah I know of people who claim to have been booked 1 or 2kph over the limit
but somehow can never produce the ticket
Kev
Kev
> Nice photo of my Land Rover, closeup of the number plate, speed reading
> and a $100 fine.
> It was taken at Kelvin Grove, by a "flash for cash", going down hill!
> Pure revenue raising at it's best.!!
I was going to say that even a loaded truck can descend that hill and
remain within the posted speed limit(which is necessary since there are
lights right at the bottom) why can't you, but then I saw it was a Land
Rover, enough said
Kev
George W Frost
"Zak Nickotel" <zakni...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Today I passed a speed camera on the Princes Freeway, a new section of
> road, no
> crashes, hence, no fatalities, no history of speeding, nothing hazardous
> about
> the section of road. Car's parked just after a bridge that crosses a
> railway
> line, so it's on a bit of a downhill grade.
>
> I was on cruise. The navigator GPS indicated a steady 105 km/h (it's a 100
> km/h
> zone).
>
> What's the bet whether or not I get a notice from Sen. Sgt R. Ritchie in
> the
> next week or two?
Is that bastard still operating, fuck me, he has to be the only person,
copper, speed camera operator in Victoria who can be in several places on
the same day.
I was booked by the bastard , or so the ticket said, for doing 110 kph near
Portland, then months after I had paid the fine, I was talking to a friend
who was booked on the same day , ( because it was his birthday ) about half
an hour apart, but he was booked in Morwell, 500 kilometres away and he
was booked by Sen Sgt Ritchie as well.
> Obviously I don't wish to get one as I'm trying to set a PB for the
> longest
> period of time without incuring a fine or points. I'd like to at least
> have one
> 3 year period with no accrued points. But if I do, it'll be interesting as
> there
> are various theories floating about as to the tolerances that speed
> cameras
> operate under.
>
> One is that they don't operate til it detects a vehicle exceeding the
> posted
> limit by 7 km/h or more. You are then issued with a TIN with the detected
> speed,
> of which 3 km/h is subtracted to get the alleged speed.
Not really, it is a 3% tolerance, not 3 kph.
Ron
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Several guys in the local Police Station are ex Army.
I hear some interesting stories from them.
>"money grab", sure is!
I'll be pleased to see "Borg" take over.
Maybe things will improve.
Ron
@news.optusnet.com.au:
Yes and know. There is a story behind it, I usually see or hear about
these traps.
It was early morning and I was on my way back from the city.
Had to drop the wife off in Spring Hill to get a cancer carved out of her
nose, followed by plastic surgery to fix the whole.
We had just returned from a 4,000 km Caravan trip and recently the Disco
had started "surging" at the lights, almost to the point that it would
stall, from a gut full of fuel. It only did it in heavy traffic. (At the
time I had not chased the web to see what was causing it, did not know if
it was the Unichip or something else)
At the lights, the blood thing damn near stalled, so I had it in neutral
with the motor at 2,000rpm to keep it going. When the lights changed I
hit the pedal to burn the excess fuel, as I kne I had to later slow down
for the lights and usual Police "Flash for cash" at the bottom.
This time I got snookered two ways, firstly I did not know that the sat
outside the KFC in the mornings and secondly, I had the CB switched off!
Since the Unichip has been fitted, the V8 goes like a cut cat.
Anyway, the $100 fine convinced me to fix the problem. It was a common
Rover V8i fault, dirty seat where the stepper motor sits. I unscrewed it,
cleaned up the needle, face, seat and it runs fine.
TPr
I drive with the use of a tom tom every day, I've noticed that the speedo in
my car is accurate till about 70km/h. after this speed it starts to report
the vehicle speed faster than its actually going, and at 100km indicated,
I'm travelling at 95. 110 indicated is about 103-4. Can the GPS be trusted ?
Is it telling me the truth? My tyres are at replacement stage, would this
make that much of a difference?
John_H
>
>I drive with the use of a tom tom every day, I've noticed that the speedo in
>my car is accurate till about 70km/h. after this speed it starts to report
>the vehicle speed faster than its actually going, and at 100km indicated,
>I'm travelling at 95. 110 indicated is about 103-4. Can the GPS be trusted ?
Only if you're travelling at a steady speed, since the GPS requires a
finite time to update its speed reading. If you're accelerating it
will read slow (and vice versa).
>Is it telling me the truth? My tyres are at replacement stage, would this
>make that much of a difference?
Tyre wear will cause your speedo to read higher (not slower), but
typically by a lot less than imagined... around 1 - 1.5% difference
between new and a worn out car tyre. It's also a lot less than
calculating the change from tread wear will indicate, since the
effective circumference of a tyre is somewhere below the tread
circumference.
--
John H
Zak Nickotel
> Not really, it is a 3% tolerance, not 3 kph.
They must have changed it, then. My last TIN from the TCO stated the detected
and alleged speed "after 3 km/h legislative tolerance is deducted".
So, is it 3% of the detected speed or 3% of the current posted limit?
If the former then my detected speed should be 101.85 km/h. Assuming, of course,
that the radar is accurate and that my GPS is also accurate.
Zak Nickotel
> I'm travelling at 95. 110 indicated is about 103-4. Can the GPS be trusted ?
You'd hope so.
I checked my Tom Tom and later on a Mio C510 against a Garmin Etrex Legend C
GPS. All three reported the exact same speeds at various speeds, usually on flat
roads, cruise set. So, unless all three from three different manufacturers, each
using different receiver technology (the Etrex isn't a "SIRF" based unit), are
reading wrong, then it's a safe bet to assume that they're accurate.
Further, I've checked the Etrex and the Mio against the overhead speed detectors
on the Hume and on the Geelong freeways. Both reported the same speed that the
speed detectors were showing. So, if nothing else, at least those things are now
accurate.
> Is it telling me the truth? My tyres are at replacement stage, would this
> make that much of a difference?
To what? The car's speedo? Then yep. But only in your favor.
George W Frost
> George W Frost wrote...
>
>> Not really, it is a 3% tolerance, not 3 kph.
>
> They must have changed it, then. My last TIN from the TCO stated the
> detected
> and alleged speed "after 3 km/h legislative tolerance is deducted".
>
> So, is it 3% of the detected speed or 3% of the current posted limit?
3% off the detected speed
Noddy
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> Can the GPS be trusted ?
It's far more accurate than the majority of speedometers.
There was a case that made the media either early this year or late last
year where a bloke who was snapped speeding by a camera disputed the
alledged speed, and used the printout from his GPS showing his speed at the
time of the offence to prove his innocence.
He took it to court and won.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> So, is it 3% of the detected speed or 3% of the current posted limit?
In Victoria it's 3km/h deducted from the detected speed up to 100km/h, and
3% from the detected speed over.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
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> Yeah I know of people who claim to have been booked 1 or 2kph over the
> limit
> but somehow can never produce the ticket
Ny old man got booked for three.
66km/h in a 60 zone was the alledged speed, 63km/h was the "adjusted" speed
after the 3km/h "error margin" of the camera was deducted. I told him to
fight it in court, as in those days such a reading was within the tollerance
of a perfectly working speedometer as defined by the ADR's, but he couldn't
be bothered and just paid the fine.
I'm sure the ticket is still here somewhere amongst his stuff.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Kwyjibo
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>
> "Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:491d969b$0$4453$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>> Yeah I know of people who claim to have been booked 1 or 2kph over the
>> limit
>> but somehow can never produce the ticket
>
> Ny old man got booked for three.
>
> 66km/h in a 60 zone was the alledged speed, 63km/h was the "adjusted"
> speed after the 3km/h "error margin" of the camera was deducted. I told
> him to fight it in court, as in those days such a reading was within the
> tollerance of a perfectly working speedometer as defined by the ADR's,
That's been used as a defence before. The only way it works is if you have
documentary evidence (calibrated dyno checks etc.) that show that your
speedo is within spec, but showing slower than actual speed.
Most speedos are the opposite - They show a higher speed than you are
actually travelling, in which case you lose.
--
Kwyj.
John_H
Now I'm shitting myself!
Just took the sat-nav outa the ute (it's been there for about a week)
and put in the car in readiness for a daylight start tomorrow. Went
to cancel the trip record (like I usually do) and the maximum speed is
showing 186kph.
There's no way a B4000 Mazda will go that fast.
Should I be looking for a prankster, or is the GPS lying? :)
--
John H
Bernd Felsche
>>> Can the GPS be trusted ?
>>It's far more accurate than the majority of speedometers.
>>There was a case that made the media either early this year or
>>late last year where a bloke who was snapped speeding by a camera
>>disputed the alledged speed, and used the printout from his GPS
>>showing his speed at the time of the offence to prove his
>>innocence.
>>He took it to court and won.
>Now I'm shitting myself!
>Just took the sat-nav outa the ute (it's been there for about a week)
>and put in the car in readiness for a daylight start tomorrow. Went
>to cancel the trip record (like I usually do) and the maximum speed is
>showing 186kph.
>There's no way a B4000 Mazda will go that fast.
A couple of JATO packs can fix that.
>Should I be looking for a prankster, or is the GPS lying? :)
GPS doesn't lie. It's just easily mistaken. :-)
Multi-path (or whatever) errors can cause the GPS to cock up
determining the phase shift used to calsulate speed. You might for
example glimpse a sudden change in speed when passing under bridges.
It can add 10+km/h "instantly", but the speed error disappears on
successive calculations.
That sort of phenomenon is why GPS should never be used for active
vehicle speed control.
--
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
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John_H
>John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>>Just took the sat-nav outa the ute (it's been there for about a week)
>>and put in the car in readiness for a daylight start tomorrow. Went
>>to cancel the trip record (like I usually do) and the maximum speed is
>>showing 186kph.
>
>>There's no way a B4000 Mazda will go that fast.
>
>A couple of JATO packs can fix that.
>
>>Should I be looking for a prankster, or is the GPS lying? :)
>
>GPS doesn't lie. It's just easily mistaken. :-)
>
>Multi-path (or whatever) errors can cause the GPS to cock up
>determining the phase shift used to calsulate speed. You might for
>example glimpse a sudden change in speed when passing under bridges.
>It can add 10+km/h "instantly", but the speed error disappears on
>successive calculations.
>
>That sort of phenomenon is why GPS should never be used for active
>vehicle speed control.
My current thinking is that someone's taken it for a ride while I
wasn't looking (the GPS, not the Mazda). ;-)
The only other possibility is that the maximum speed it's retained as
part of the trip log is in error. The only vehicles I've had it in
for the six weeks since I bought it are the Mazda ute, which is speed
limited at around 150kph... a Hyundai Getz hired for a day and didn't
leave town... two month old Subaru Outback with 3,000km on the clock
and not yet run in.
--
John H
D Walford
> The only other possibility is that the maximum speed it's retained as
> part of the trip log is in error. The only vehicles I've had it in
> for the six weeks since I bought it are the Mazda ute, which is speed
> limited at around 150kph... a Hyundai Getz hired for a day and didn't
> leave town... two month old Subaru Outback with 3,000km on the clock
> and not yet run in.
>
Sounds like the perfect way to run in the new Outback:-)
I had my first drive of my sons new VE SS ute today, its got less than
1000klms on the odo but I'd be surprised if it hasn't already gone past
your 186kph, IMO its pure evil:-)
The bloody thing goes very well but the trouble is its quiet and rides
very well so you hardly notice how fast you are going.
Daryl
Kev
> Kev <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in news:491d977d$0$4453$afc38c87
> @news.optusnet.com.au:
> This time I got snookered two ways, firstly I did not know that the sat
> outside the KFC in the mornings and secondly, I had the CB switched off!
> Since the Unichip has been fitted, the V8 goes like a cut cat.
At the KFC or the funeral home is the only place I've ever seen them
Kev
Kev
That's a bit different to some who claim that they were booked for doing
only 1 or 2kph over by cops not cameras and nothing about detected
speeds reduced to alleged speeds etc.
Kev
Noddy
"John_H" <john...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> Should I be looking for a prankster, or is the GPS lying? :)
I'd be popping the bonnet and see if your ute has the engine it left the
factory with :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Zak Nickotel
> I'd also be curious to know just what photographic "proof" you might
> have of either the set tolerance or the accuracy of the measuring
> equipment? ;-)
You don't. It's a matter of the TCO's word against yours if it ever came before
the beak.
Now, if you were able to demonstrate that the camera was indeed faulty, then
you'd be a rare bird, cockups on the Western Ring Road fiasco notwithstanding.
Of course, demonstrating this will more than likely cost you an arm and a leg in
the process.
Anyway, a week has gone by and still no notice. Last time I got one it almost
beat me home.
Zak Nickotel
> That's a bit different to some who claim that they were booked for doing
> only 1 or 2kph over by cops not cameras and nothing about detected
> speeds reduced to alleged speeds etc.
I recently got zapped by general uniform cops doing a radar duty on the Princes
Freeway. They were standing near the divvy van.
Wow, I thought. that's rare. Normally just up the road a TMU car is hidden in
the shrubbery.
Thing is I was towing a heavily laden trailer full of pool fencing panels. The
panels overhung the rear by a good metre. Cops didn't even blink, either at my
speed (around 112 in a 110 zone) or at the trailer...
Zak Nickotel
> There was a case that made the media either early this year or late last
> year where a bloke who was snapped speeding by a camera disputed the
> alledged speed, and used the printout from his GPS showing his speed at the
> time of the offence to prove his innocence.
>
> He took it to court and won.
I read that. He think he was using a Garmin GPS. Using Garmin Mapsource you can
download the track data from it.
Unfortunately most navigators don't have this feature. It'd be handy if they
did, if nothing else but to help prove your innocence.
I have my Etrex logging set to high resolution and I save the logs after each
ride (I use it on the motorbike).
It was handy as we had a mate who pranged on a ride in the Yarra Ranges. The
cops when they attended asked about what we were doing (he came off because of
gravel on a corner).
When I got home I downloaded the data. Most of the time on that road we were
doing between 60-90 kays. I think the road at the time was 100 km/h limit. But
where he pranged I was doing about 70 km/h. So, he was 30 kays under.
Of course, there were bits that we were over, but that's another matter...
Anyway, didn't the cops drop the case rather than the magistrate finding in
favor of the guy?
Zak Nickotel
> Just took the sat-nav outa the ute (it's been there for about a week)
> and put in the car in readiness for a daylight start tomorrow. Went
> to cancel the trip record (like I usually do) and the maximum speed is
> showing 186kph.
One of my Etrexes had a max speed of 486 km/h on it when I turned it on one day
to configure a route and to reset the trip data. I had lent it to my son-in-law
and asked him if he'd gone flying or something with it. He said no, and could
not understand what would have happened to have caused such a high reading.
I also had a cycle computer on the bike that went ape shit once. Normally
they're reliable and accurate but this one, an Echowell F7, decided to toss in
the towel on me after about a month's use. It's range is up to 200 km/h but at
times it would spike to over 300 kays.
I binned it and went back to Sigma Sport.
Zak Nickotel
> That sort of phenomenon is why GPS should never be used for active
> vehicle speed control.
What about businesses and car hire companies who track their employees and
customers using GPS technology?
How do they get away with fining or penalising people for alleged speeding?
Certainly, if push came to shove and you tried to use your $300 GPS as evidence
against a so called "scientific instrument" such as a $70,000 speed camera,
guess which one wins?
So, if that's the case, then they should not be able to use GPS technology
against you, should they?
Kev
because idiots towing overloaded unroadworthy trailers with undersized
unroadworthy cars is not as dangerous as a performance car doing 10%
over the speed limit
Kev
Kev
BTW I was just being sarcastic and not a direct attack towards you
I don't know the circumstances about your towing vehicle and trailer or
your driving ability/experience
Kev
Kev
or posting images of this on those Brag forums like the Prius owners do
attempting to have people believe they are sports cars
Kev
Kev
Imagine the surprise an Ex boss had when he saw on the sat tracker that
I was doing 120+kph in a Mack truck, 280klms off the Australian coast
out in the Pacific ocean, on numerous occasions
Kev
Dan-----
>>
> Sounds like the perfect way to run in the new Outback:-) I had my first
> drive of my sons new VE SS ute today, its got less than 1000klms on the
> odo but I'd be surprised if it hasn't already gone past your 186kph, IMO
> its pure evil:-)
> The bloody thing goes very well but the trouble is its quiet and rides
> very well so you hardly notice how fast you are going.
Oh sounds like there will be some family rivalry on who is going to drive
it the most your son or you. ;-)
Glad none of my kids are old enough to drive. :-p.
--
Regards
Dan
Just JT
"Kwyjibo" <kwy...@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
>
> That's been used as a defence before. The only way it works is if you have
> documentary evidence (calibrated dyno checks etc.) that show that your
> speedo is within spec, but showing slower than actual speed.
> Most speedos are the opposite - They show a higher speed than you are
> actually travelling, in which case you lose.
>
Very true. My baby Lexus speedo @ indicated 100kph is really 95kph.
--
No.excuse.to.be.speeding.
D Walford
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:44:50 +1100, D Walford PCM code reading says:
>
>
>> Sounds like the perfect way to run in the new Outback:-) I had my first
>> drive of my sons new VE SS ute today, its got less than 1000klms on the
>> odo but I'd be surprised if it hasn't already gone past your 186kph, IMO
>> its pure evil:-)
>> The bloody thing goes very well but the trouble is its quiet and rides
>> very well so you hardly notice how fast you are going.
>
> Oh sounds like there will be some family rivalry on who is going to drive
> it the most your son or you. ;-)
>
I doubt if I'll drive it all that often, he hasn't lived at home for a
couple of years so it not as if it parked at my place all the time.
I liked its performance and handling but its not really the sort of
vehicle that I'd like to own, IMO its too much of a show pony for a work
vehicle, the VE ute has a lot more cabin space than the VU but my xtra
cab Hilux shits on it for interior space.
It will spend a lot of time towing a tandem trailer so the V8 grunt is
very useful, apparently the VE is much better towing the trailer than
the VU, the VE will tow the trailer in 6th gear on the hwy most of the
time but the VU needed to be in 5th so the VE's fuel economy when towing
is much better.
BTW is it just me or are all VE instrument panels very difficult to read?
The numerals on the speedo and tacho are very small and hard to see,
there isn't enough contrast between the grey dials and the numerals, if
it didn't have the digital speedo in the middle I wouldn't know my speed
at all and the tacho may as well not be there.
Daryl
Dan-----
>>
>>
> I doubt if I'll drive it all that often, he hasn't lived at home for a
> couple of years so it not as if it parked at my place all the time. I
> liked its performance and handling but its not really the sort of
> vehicle that I'd like to own, IMO its too much of a show pony for a work
> vehicle, the VE ute has a lot more cabin space than the VU but my xtra
> cab Hilux shits on it for interior space. It will spend a lot of time
> towing a tandem trailer so the V8 grunt is very useful, apparently the
> VE is much better towing the trailer than the VU, the VE will tow the
> trailer in 6th gear on the hwy most of the time but the VU needed to be
> in 5th so the VE's fuel economy when towing is much better.
It really shows that the extra grunt with a 6 litre engine does well for
towing. Especially in the double overdrive 6th gear. :-) Its a shame that
you can't order a base ute with the V8 and have the maximum payload
capacity too. But then again Im happy with the rodeo it does the job
pretty well even though its not a pretty pony. ;-).
> BTW is it just me or are all VE instrument panels very difficult to
> read? The numerals on the speedo and tacho are very small and hard to
> see, there isn't enough contrast between the grey dials and the
> numerals, if it didn't have the digital speedo in the middle I wouldn't
> know my speed at all and the tacho may as well not be there.
Its probably another reason why I have chosen a HSV touring over the SS-V
wagon is that the HSV has better tachometer and speedo numerals easier to
read since its on black on white also not having to put up with the
garish red oil and volt pressure LED gauges. Although even I have the
digital speedo setting on the Calais. Even still over 100 k's sneaks up
pretty quickly though. :-)
--
Regards
Dan
the_dawggie
My 'lux is good at 140kph
However I am not interested at driving
that fast.
--
Kipland Christopher Dawggie.
D Walford
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:33:45 +1100, D Walford PCM code reading says:
>
>
>>>
>> I doubt if I'll drive it all that often, he hasn't lived at home for a
>> couple of years so it not as if it parked at my place all the time. I
>> liked its performance and handling but its not really the sort of
>> vehicle that I'd like to own, IMO its too much of a show pony for a work
>> vehicle, the VE ute has a lot more cabin space than the VU but my xtra
>> cab Hilux shits on it for interior space. It will spend a lot of time
>> towing a tandem trailer so the V8 grunt is very useful, apparently the
>> VE is much better towing the trailer than the VU, the VE will tow the
>> trailer in 6th gear on the hwy most of the time but the VU needed to be
>> in 5th so the VE's fuel economy when towing is much better.
>
> It really shows that the extra grunt with a 6 litre engine does well for
> towing. Especially in the double overdrive 6th gear. :-) Its a shame that
> you can't order a base ute with the V8 and have the maximum payload
> capacity too. But then again Im happy with the rodeo it does the job
> pretty well even though its not a pretty pony. ;-).
A base model V8 ute would be a better work horse although with current
discounts the SS isn't priced too highly.
I've been on the net pricing various utes and the price of new Jap utes
is IMO quite high, to replace my Hilux with a current model which is
close to what I have now will cost about $48,000 (rrp) which is quite a
bit more than an SS ute.
My current Hilux is a 4WD V6 manual xtra cab, the closest to that
available now is an SR5 which is $46,730.00 plus on roads.
>
>> BTW is it just me or are all VE instrument panels very difficult to
>> read? The numerals on the speedo and tacho are very small and hard to
>> see, there isn't enough contrast between the grey dials and the
>> numerals, if it didn't have the digital speedo in the middle I wouldn't
>> know my speed at all and the tacho may as well not be there.
>
> Its probably another reason why I have chosen a HSV touring over the SS-V
> wagon is that the HSV has better tachometer and speedo numerals easier to
> read since its on black on white also not having to put up with the
> garish red oil and volt pressure LED gauges. Although even I have the
> digital speedo setting on the Calais. Even still over 100 k's sneaks up
> pretty quickly though. :-)
Overall I thought the SS was excellent but I couldn't believe they could
design an almost unreadable instrument panel.
Daryl
John_H
>
>Sounds like the perfect way to run in the new Outback:-)
>I had my first drive of my sons new VE SS ute today, its got less than
>1000klms on the odo but I'd be surprised if it hasn't already gone past
>your 186kph, IMO its pure evil:-)
Most people only seem to worry about running in their engines, whereas
my main concern is diffs (and the Subie's got two of 'em). Pre-loaded
tapered rollers definitely benefit from a gentle start in life.
I like to have a new engine rev, especially on light load (ie in the
intermediate gears) but prefer to avoid sustained high speeds for at
least the first 5,000km or so.
The $200 sat-nav still has me me stuffed though. Even though I
covered around 700km today (and the trip meter only made it 1% higher
than the GPS) it wouldn't have seen anything over 135kph maximum
speed. The GPS log, which I'd reset beforehand, now shows a maximum
of 176kph!
--
John H
George W Frost
You have been following Googles directions from Los Angeles to Melbourne
again ??
Kev
Heading back from Toowoomba to Brisbane
you can really get a good run off coming down the range
takes me all the way to Tahiti to stop
Kev
Noddy
>
> That's a bit different to some who claim that they were booked for doing
> only 1 or 2kph over by cops not cameras and nothing about detected speeds
> reduced to alleged speeds etc.
It is, but it's still 3km/h over the limit which is bullshit as far as I'm
concerned.
In fact, if I remember correctly about a week after he got pinched for that,
the cops set up a hand held rader in the same spot. He knew they were there,
and drove past bang on the limit smiling as he did so, only to have an Evil
Kinevil take off after him and pinch him for having his arm out the window.
It wasn't "out the window" as such, but resting on the top of the door as
you do when the window is down, and his *elbow* was sticking out by a couple
of inches. Still, it was enough for this dickless tracey to pinch him.
Useless revenue raising cunts that they are.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
John_H
>John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>> The $200 sat-nav still has me me stuffed though. Even though I
>> covered around 700km today (and the trip meter only made it 1% higher
>> than the GPS) it wouldn't have seen anything over 135kph maximum
>> speed. The GPS log, which I'd reset beforehand, now shows a maximum
>> of 176kph!
>
>off objects. When this changes suddenly either from the correct
>position to an incorrect one or vise versa, there can be calculated
>speed errors that are very transient, and the only place that they'll
>really show up is in the maximum speed.
AFAIK GPS receivers don't use co-ordinates to determine speed (they
use Doppler shift) but it's becoming apparent that something is
getting to this particular unit, whatever the explanation might be.
Everything else it does seems to be fine.
I've also got a fairly ancient Garmin handheld (GPS76) which has a
very similar trip computer to the sat-nav and I can't recall ever
seeing unrealistic maximum speed readings on it.
>
>Are there any significant metal mineral deposits along the route that
>you took?
Not that I'm aware of but there's no shortage of mining exploration
crews and drilling rigs in even the remotest places I get to. No idea
what they might be looking for (other than coal). :)
Sat-navs are also dead useless for navigating in the lesser populated
parts BTW. This one spent much of yesterday showing a blank map with
a little car in the centre. Main reason I took it with was to check
the odometer over a reasonably long distance, which is about as close
to spot on as you'd reckon possible as it turns out... which makes me
wonder even more why Subaru and Toyota, in particular, have their
speedos read significantly fast! Even the Getz I recently hired for a
day was accurate.
--
John H
Zak Nickotel
> > Thing is I was towing a heavily laden trailer full of pool fencing panels. The
> > panels overhung the rear by a good metre. Cops didn't even blink, either at my
> > speed (around 112 in a 110 zone) or at the trailer...
> because idiots towing overloaded unroadworthy trailers with undersized
> unroadworthy cars is not as dangerous as a performance car doing 10%
> over the speed limit
I'll assume that you're having a crack at the system, not me. If I'm wrong, then
the trailer is roadworthy, as is the car, as is the weight limit that I was
towing. Only questionable thing was the overhang.
Dan-----
>
> A base model V8 ute would be a better work horse although with current
> discounts the SS isn't priced too highly. I've been on the net pricing
> various utes and the price of new Jap utes is IMO quite high, to replace
> my Hilux with a current model which is close to what I have now will
> cost about $48,000 (rrp) which is quite a bit more than an SS ute.
> My current Hilux is a 4WD V6 manual xtra cab, the closest to that
> available now is an SR5 which is $46,730.00 plus on roads.
Yeah almost $47 grand for a jap 4x4 ute is pretty steep but then again
the prices for the new 70 series is a jolt in the guts too. But the new
70 series is becoming popular especially in cab chassis form with the B&S
and twin exhaust stacks on them too. :-)
>>
>>> BTW is it just me or are all VE instrument panels very difficult to
>>> read? The numerals on the speedo and tacho are very small and hard to
>>> see, there isn't enough contrast between the grey dials and the
>>> numerals, if it didn't have the digital speedo in the middle I
>>> wouldn't know my speed at all and the tacho may as well not be there.
>>
>> Its probably another reason why I have chosen a HSV touring over the
>> SS-V wagon is that the HSV has better tachometer and speedo numerals
>> easier to read since its on black on white also not having to put up
>> with the garish red oil and volt pressure LED gauges. Although even I
>> have the digital speedo setting on the Calais. Even still over 100 k's
>> sneaks up pretty quickly though. :-)
>
> Overall I thought the SS was excellent but I couldn't believe they could
> design an almost unreadable instrument panel.
Bit like the old Ford Louisville truck gauges they were more than
woefully small. Still better than the ultra rank all LED digital displays
that some cars used. :-)
--
Regards
Dan
Zak Nickotel
> BTW I was just being sarcastic and not a direct attack towards you
> I don't know the circumstances about your towing vehicle and trailer or
> your driving ability/experience
It was a well built cage type 6x4 trailer being towed by a Mazda Tribute. The
load in question was 10 panels of wire framed pool fencing. The total load was
about 400 kg or so. Trailer capacity is around 750kg as is the towing limit of
the Tribby.
As for my ability I can't comment. Everyone thinks that he or she are good
drivers. I'm probably no exception. Suffice it to say, I'm still around after 30
odd years of driving and riding motorcycles. So, despite some of my sillier
stunts back when I was a young 'un, I must be doing something right.
Or I have incredibly good luck.
Noddy
"Zak Nickotel" <zakni...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:res1i4hehhj4159nk...@agent.com...
> Anyway, didn't the cops drop the case rather than the magistrate finding
> in
> favor of the guy?
I seem to recall the evidence was presented, so it got to court at least.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
D Walford
a few months ago, I've only checked the max speed log a couple of times
and it seemed ok.
Seems very odd that yours is adding about 40kph to the max reading,
there must be some explanation but I have no idea what would it is.
Daryl
D Walford
> Bit like the old Ford Louisville truck gauges they were more than
> woefully small. Still better than the ultra rank all LED digital displays
> that some cars used. :-)
>
I had another look at the instruments this morning, it has white
numerals on a grey background, I mentioned it to my son and he said he
didn't have a problem with it but the other bloke working with us agreed
they were difficult to read.
Daryl